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Worst Engine Ever!! Chrysler Destroys Itself on Startup! PT Cruiser 2.4

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Part 2: Testing for BENT VALVES! Teardown Chrysler 2.4 2010 PT Cruiser • Testing for BENT VALVE...
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@kirkmill724 Год назад

I broke the belt on my 2005 PT Cruiser around 110K miles. Shop cautioned that replacing the timing belt may or may not fix it due to it being a semi-interference engine. I rolled the dice and it worked fine. I sold the car (still running) with 234K miles on it.

@frankcastle2045 Год назад

Yep my 01 had 217,000kms no issues only rust

@markcondrey2297 Год назад

You got extremely lucky, P. T. Losers blow for fun.

@jtfoog5220 Год назад

Just out of curiosity, why did you buy a PT cruiser?

@mcross320 Год назад

I would try a belt and then check it out. It's always a crapshoot, depends on where the valves were when stopped.

@michaelholliday100 4 месяца назад

@@jtfoog5220 PT Cruisers are known pieces of crap...

@peterperpetua2974 Год назад

I have had 4 2.4 Chrysler come into my shop over the years with missing teeth on the belt at the crank gear. All of them were fine with just a belt replacement.

@patriotgarage Год назад

ditto

@omorin34 Год назад

Perform a pressure leak down test of the cylinders to see if they seal. If they do, a timing belt is all it needs.

@stinkertonsden Год назад

Glad to see Ray's growing and having your own employee now.

@raven4k998 Год назад

the probes an anal probe🤣

@gordonwelcher9598 Год назад

I don't see any destruction! I want to see pistons popping, crankcases cracking, valves crushing and bearings spinning!

@smbmx6581 Год назад

My friend had the same thing happen to his timing belt on his PT Cruiser. He ended up putting a new belt in and the valves were OK. The car survived and still ran great.

@russellstyles5381 Год назад

Had two go out on Chrysler 2.2. One replaced, broke again. No great harm with that engine, aside from repair and tow charge.

@patriotgarage Год назад

this is the normal outcome after belt failures in the chrysler 2.4s.. they were used in everything chrysler in that era. you could even get one in a caravan.

@jasonpeace1991 Год назад

In my experience it depends, engine running when the belt fails and its game over for valves If it goes just on the starter motor then hope the engine has

@keithyoung5709 Год назад

Probably because this ISN'T a Interface engine. This guys a hack

@jasonpeace1991 Год назад

@@keithyoung5709 when he looked it up its was listed as either semi interference or interference engine when he looked it up If it was mine I would have pulled the head and looked at the valves but I'm not $50+ an hour And it's probably $200-300 to pull the head and if Ray knows the customer is not likely to want to repair it then he is saving the customer money by not investigating further Throwing a belt on an engine isn't a fix on its own "IF" valve damage has happened If I was the customer I'd appreciate the mechanic stopping and giving me the opportunity to decide to look further or not and potentially saving me money on looking at an engine I may not consider saving Now I don't know if such bore scopes exist but if you could drop a scope down the plug and see the valves that is what I'd do in his position if 1 and 4 looked good then removed the intake and Check 2 and 3 but I don't know if you can get scopes that look back on themselves to see the valves

@charlessmarr7107 Год назад

13 years on the original cam belt. Mileage is not the only killer.

@Charlie_Crown Год назад

Exactly

@stevewhiting556 Год назад

My rule #2 is…don’t buy a car with a timing belt. I drive 25-30k a year. I’m not spending that much money every 3-4 years on an intensive maintenance item. Current vehicle is 295k with a timing chain. There’s never been a bolt turned on this engine. Still runs like new. If I drove 10k a year, I’d probably overlook the timing belt as being a deterrent, but I’d also consider trading the car before replacing it. A timing belt is just an excuse for car companies to sell parts.

@billhennie Год назад

@@stevewhiting556 And build cars cheaper.

@HarithBK Год назад

lasted 5 years 16k longer than recommended replacement. pure neglect on the owner making the repair 10 times more expensive thus junk the car and need a new one.

@wysetech2000 Год назад

@@stevewhiting556 A timing belt is not that expensive to replace on that car just for maintenance. Timing chains are a huge problem on some cars.

@narrowhwy114 Год назад

"I was in grave danger" 🤣 Been there, done that many times...

@magic.marmot Год назад

Dang. You kept me absorbed the entire time. I learned stuff. I have much tool envy, but the diagnostic process had me riveted. Most excellent sir.

@Shandleyman Год назад

Same here! I would never have jumped to a timing belt issue so fast but now I will. That's the difference between a properly trained mech and lil ole me. haha!

@LilYeshua Год назад

So,the timing belt wasn't changed out in a timely manner

@MrTrailerman2 Год назад

Most people never open the owners' manual, much less follow the recommended maintenance and part replacement schedules.

@IanTheRabbit Год назад

Bad pun

@ford6 Год назад

As the valves only interfere with each other and the damage to the belt was at the crank, it is highly probable that it just needs a new timing belt. Check the valves with a borescope to confirm.

@jasonpoletta1797 Год назад

I've probably done at least 30 broken timing belt jobs on those 2.4 engines and not once has there ever been any valve/piston damage. It's safe to say just slap a belt and components on it and it will be fine. And while your in there change that damn mount in the frame rail lol.

@TheEulerID Год назад

I entirely agree. The stripped portion of the belt is round the crankshaft. The inlet and exhaust camshafts are almost certainly still in sync with one another.

@michaelrobbins9679 Год назад

For the $300.00 bucks. Try the belt...otherwise. Let Clyde have at it. Clint Eastwood movie reference..

@duncandogster Год назад

If the valves are bent, it's still just a valve job or replacement head, not an entire engine replacement. Why is Ray looking at engine replacement?!

@rileyharris7514 Год назад

@@duncandogster I believe he mis interpretted the google machine telling him that the valves could hit eachother when a timing belt fails

@kennybaumann2117 Год назад

Ray listen to your masses, you did in the transmission snap ring( I still don't know how he caught that in such a short screenshot)and it saved the day and both you and customer big $. I am one of the masses that have replaced broken timing belts (that broke while engine was running) on this engine with great success. No pistons were damaged in the making of this statement.

@dongeiger4500 Год назад

Actually I think what determines weather or not to do major engine repairs is the condition of the body rust etc and other components. Replace timing belt and see where that leads. I suspect you really don’t want to play with the PT.

@adrianjones9632 Год назад

Hi Ray. It looks like the camshafts are still in their proper relationship between each other. If the only damage is the stripped timing belt around the crankshaft, it may be save able. I would , in this instance try a new timing belt before I condemned the engine.

@demcomp Год назад

It's a semi-interference engine, the valves only meet the pistons at a higher than IDLE RPM. So you could be quite right in that the engine is actually okay

@Tangent360 Год назад

@@demcomp What I got from the search results is that the valves won't meet the pistons, they could meet *each other*. So if the cams got out of time with each other the intake valve and exhaust valve could collide, but you'll never get a valve hitting a piston, at least not at normal rpm.

@demcomp Год назад

@@Tangent360 yeah, anything is plausible in that regard. They may have or may not have connected. Either way, when it really comes down to it, it's a 13 year old PT Cruiser.. it's dead. They have no value..

@scott.koopmann Год назад

@@demcomp Its worth doing a cylinder leak test. That would tell if the valves are bent or not. A leak test on all 4 cylinders should take no more than 2 hours. I don't think he should condemn the engine without doing a leak test.

@WhitentonMike Год назад

You are correct. Given the position of the striped belt it is unlikely the cams ever came out of time with each other. If on the other hand the striped area covered the entire engagement of the cam gear then one of the cams could rotate without the other. The cam gears are pretty large compared to the crank gear engagement length. It is likely if you were to continue to rotate the forward cam until the striped portion met the rear cam gear the rear cam would remain engaged the whole time. Ray could have determined this by making a complete rotation of the belt and watching for the 2 cams continuing to turn together.

@kubato5054 Год назад

Hey, regardless of your past history with these crap boxes and keeping it cheap. Just replace the cam belt, it is much cheaper than removing the head and checking and if it works, great. I was in the same issue as you and just replaced the belt and it worked fine.

@danielwoodard680 Год назад

Content rich episode. Wasps, Michelle Pfeiffer movies search, compression testing, timing belt diagnosis, cost estimating. What a great day.

@stevensims3342 Год назад

Every time I see a PT Cruiser, I think of that saying "You can paint a turd, but it's still a turd".

@pingpong9656 Год назад

It says it's semi-interference - given the cams are still in time to each other, the valves should be fine. What am I missing here?

@meporter69 Год назад

You ae correct.

@keithyoung5709 Год назад

You've got a mechanic doing a diagnosis with google. That should tell you everything. 😂😂

@sebastian993 Год назад

the mechanic's business model. they like small jobs with lots of profit

@myfavoritecolorisrage Год назад

I've performed this repair before on earlier year PT Cruisers. Those are not interference engines. This issue is easy to ID without a compression tester or expensive scan tool too. First test is look at the odometer, if its anywhere near 100k on a Chrysler 2.4L, that's clue #1. Clue #2 is it ain't starting, but ran fine before. And clue #3 is it has cam position sensor codes. If you got those 3 issues, you need a new timing belt. You have to remove the motor mounts and pull the engine up about 6-8" to access everything. And the AC lines will fight you to the death. You also have to replace the water pump while you're in there and any gummy pulleys. Is it a PITA? Yes! And the cams will happily pop one tooth out of alignment while you're getting the belt situated. But it's not an end of the world job nor does it require any special tools. It's just time consuming to get to. But certainly better than getting rid of the car.

@williamduhamel7726 Год назад

I thought I was having déjà vu when I saw you working on that PT cruiser. It’s like you attract them. If we had cliffs in Florida, they’d be falling from them.

@CharlesVanNoland Год назад

I was ready for more wasps to be under the hood, lol.

@dgriffin6074 Год назад

An important lesson in timely replacement of timing belt and water pump. "Owner of said vehicle" . "Honey, I SAID that was a piece of Junk!".

@joelohberger3221 Год назад

my heart goes out to the person that owned that car it's news they probly didn't want to hear

@MrATOMBOMB420 Год назад

Even more so because the information that the customer is being given is wrong it does not need a motor it needs the timing belt replaced and it was retimed I think he's smoking something or sniffing something

@luich1288 Год назад

@@MrATOMBOMB420 not only the belt...

@donstarr391 Год назад

@@luich1288 What else besides the belt? If I correctly understand this "semi-interference" engine, the valves don't interfere with the pistons - only with each other. If Ray's hypothesis is correct (crank stripped belt on attempted start, cams didn't turn), then the cams probably didn't go out of time with each other, just with the crank. Replacing the belt (and, of course, re-timing the crank with the cams) may well fix it. If it was my car, I'd spend a few hundred $ to have Ray replace the timing belt and see what happens.

@Pwills Год назад

Personally I think you would be throwing good money after bad as it is a PT Cruiser in my personal opinion it is not worth spending the money on. Maybe put a second hand engine in it but personally I wouldn’t even do that. But that’s just my opinion.

@patriotgarage Год назад

@@MrATOMBOMB420 it MIGHT need a head or engine. a belt is not 100% sure to fix it.

@patriotgarage Год назад

Ray, technically it is an interference engine. but... 95% of the time a new belt is all that is needed. Remove all the mounts off the front of the engine, pull drive belts, jack the front of the engine up as high as you can and service the belt (and related parts) 4-5 hours total. Given where the belt failed (at the crank) I'd say the cams stayed in time with each other and there is a chance. it's worth the 2-3 hours to toss a belt and give it a try. if it runs, finish putting it back together. also that car was overdue for a new belt, so blaming the engine might not be the correct answer. poor maintenance is. a good borescope will show you the valves without pulling the head. a bad borescore will show you witness marks on the pistons. use car-part pro for used engines. our yard just sold one with 120K on it for 500 bucks.

@mikemcguire8351 Год назад

You're right on the money.

@louispeek2546 Год назад

I can't believe you're telling Ray how to install a new timing belt! LMAO!

@patriotgarage Год назад

@@louispeek2546 I can't believe you wouldn't share a easier way to do it than the book that tells you to pull the engine. I have been doing this since points and carbs were a thing. I learn new things every day. People like you don't because you think you know everything. Ray probably knows the short cut but others might not. I bet you didn't

@guyaldrich5878 Год назад

You are correct ! I think I work on these much more than Ray does !

@sim8324 Год назад

Yes but is it worth it to the owner to spend the money for labor to find out, I had a similar thing happen with my Sienna timing belt, was over due to be replaced and broke while driving there was a debate on if it is non interference, since the consensus is it is I went ahead and replaced the timing belt and water pump myself, never had done it before but I figured I would rather DIY than spend more than $500 labor and parts to find out it had bent valves or worse. As luck would have it they were right and it runs now like a well timed clock.

@TrepKing95 Год назад

I just went through this on a 2001 that broke the belt at highway speeds; Did not actually bend a valve, but a Leakdown test revealed a leak out of the intake valve. After tearing the head off it, It was found that a small carbon patch was causing the leakdown. I would definitely start by replacing the belt and accessories before condemning the engine. Especially if it sheered the belt at startup, valve to valve damage is not likely.

@darkwolfe6986 Год назад

You should write a book on the many uses of brake cleaner. Use No. 237: Stinging critter annihilator!

@onsturn Год назад

Before condemning the engine I’d replace the timing belt then perform a compression test.

@richardmiller5238 Год назад

If it was my car I would also

@patriotgarage Год назад

while the 2.4 is "technically" an interference engine, 95% of the time they do survive a broken timing belt.

@Flies2FLL Год назад

Probably a waste of time. If the pistons were moving, then compression should have been created. Bent valves.

@rcf8367 Год назад

Yup, hope it’s not an interference engine with Ray turning the cams with a wrench…,

@dont-want-no-wrench Год назад

@@Flies2FLL he only checked 2 cylinders, not conclusive

@kevinlloyd1088 Год назад

Gotta love the multi use brake cleaner! The sound effect also makes a smile every time.

@spaceflight1019 Год назад

When I worked at the power stations Brakleen was the tool of choice for dispatching spiders too.

@patriotgarage Год назад

brake cleaner works better than killers actually made to kill bees.

@sim8324 Год назад

Ha I thought it was wasp killer.

@keeperofthegood Год назад

Hey Ray. Word of caution. Always use Extreme Eviction. Some of the biggest advances in neural network modeling have come from hornet/wasp studies. They can imprint you for their lifespan and pick you out of a crowd easy peasy. Its why you see the guy running through a crowd being chased by wasps, and the crowd is ignored.

@David-ik8wj Год назад

yep. i had a yellow jacket nest in my yard. got stung a few times when i disturbed them with the mower. got stung 2 more times in the following week and i was not even near the nest. Had to have the little bastards terminated. they had my number.

@bobberndt9744 Год назад

Tiny suggestion : Stand your plastic cases (tools, parts etc) that are in the cabinets on edge instead of stacked. That allows easier access and takes the same amount of space.

@MonkeyJedi99 Год назад

And a labelmaker would be a good investment for those cases.

@jakedcrane8019 Год назад

@@MonkeyJedi99 or perhaps just write directly to the cases with a permanent marker pen.

@MonkeyJedi99 Год назад

@@jakedcrane8019 Good point! Those pebbles surfaces, even when fully clean, stink for adhering labels, but a white, silver or yellow paint marker would work much better.

@XENONEOMORPH1979 Год назад

or just let him do his thing

@jakedcrane8019 Год назад

@@XENONEOMORPH1979 Sure he does things in the ways he wants. Mind you these were only suggestions and not requirements.

@user-lg7bs2ws4y Год назад

I would be willing to bet that valves are not bent I've replaced timing belts on several without having to go through the extreme

@douglasburnside Год назад

If there are no bent valves, why is there *zero* compression on cylinders 1 & 4, and when cranking there was no difference in sound from *any* of the cylinders so almost certainly they also had no compression.

@user-lg7bs2ws4y Год назад

@@douglasburnside would have to check it myself in order to give you the answers usually when belts are wiped out on the Crank it's never any damage to the valves.

@Grumpy-sy7wr Год назад

@@douglasburnside Some cylinders will have valves open, unable to compress. Any cylinder that has all valves closed, cannot draw air in to compress. Zero compression all round.

@wallychambe1587 Год назад

Wow, they must know you are the PT cruiser whisperer!🤣🤣Nobody else wants to work on them🤣🤣

@wesgregg6451 Год назад

HEY RAY, READ THIS: "The PT Cruiser 150hp engine is always a non interference engine. If you have seized camshafts is more likely due to poor lubrication/low oil pressure. The seizing of the camshaft is what is breaking the belt in this case. Failure to change oil as recommended by Chrysler is usually the root cause. Normally the belt should last at least at least 80,000 miles and can last much longer. Your driving habits can greatly reduce the belts life. Lots of hard accelerations will surely do it. The belt breaking doesn't cause other problems but other problem like water pump seizing, cam shaft bearing seizing, timing belt tensioner seizing will break the belt. If you do change the belt either before it breaks or after it breaks you should also change the water pump and belt tensioner at the same time every time." -Jake Jude Apparently, that "...but it is possible for the intake and exhaust valves to touch" thing is more theoretical than actual. It CAN happen - but rarely does. But, yeah, the engine is (somewhat) known for stuff seizing and taking out the belt, instead of the belt failing and taking out stuff. Kind of backwards. Maybe because that's not exactly the poster child vehicle for "owner performs all needed maintenance *and changes oil regularly* ", lol?

@georgewaring7168 Год назад

Thank you for going through the labor and pricing exercise. That was informative.

@dont-want-no-wrench Год назад

the idea of an interference engine always struck me as crazy. for that car i would replace the belt and see.

@coltonkay9000 Год назад

Interference engines can make more power and a bunch of other advantages but this is definitely a downside

@hansjansen7047 Год назад

At least two cylinders have no compression which means that at least one of them has been hit. The # 1 and 4 on a 4 cylinder move together and the cam is not turning so when the piston comes up and either valve is open , it will get hit.

@shaneheiden5448 Год назад

Yeah, but not on the this engine! This engine only has interference between valves. If the intake cam gets out of time with the exhaust cam. The crank gear position doesn’t matter. The pistons can’t hit the valves if the rod is still intact.

@kumakhan Год назад

@@coltonkay9000 yup trending for higher and higher compression engines for efficiency and power.

@tacomas9602 Год назад

2:33 Ray, that kind of humor with that skit is super. I enjoy it a lot. Love these videos! ❤😅

@blknightsixtyfo Год назад

3:15 neither was the launch lolololol

@anthonyfreeman5858 Год назад

I’ve had two vehicles w/interference engines & the Timing Belt was the cause of bent valves. I had to replace the heads on both of the @ a time when I really could not afford that type of repair work. A man’s got to do what a man’s got to do.

@jn1mrgn Год назад

I would never buy a vehicle with either a timing belt or an interference engine.

@hellkitty1014 Год назад

The fact that the PT Cruiser hasn't disintegrated at this point should be considered a national threat to security.😂

@tomnekuda3818 Год назад

That's about the size of it.

@AJwoodway Год назад

😂

@volvo09 Год назад

Those things are pretty hard to find these days... Unless you visit an old junkyard that hasn'y crushed em all.

@joedavidzuniga1993 Год назад

😂

@williamegler8771 Год назад

@volvo09 I live in Chicago and during my daily commute or running errands I see several. They are a fairly common sight on used car lots especially seedy buy here pay here ones.

@auburn886 Год назад

Every Chrysler commercial should start with an apology for building the PT Cruiser.

@donQpublic Год назад

At 10:35 I’m thinking broken compression test gauge.🤣

@AnonyMous-jf4lc Год назад

You don’t need to pull the cams to do a simple leak down test. Cut the bad belt out, pull the valve cover. Set the cams manually on the cylinder you are testing. I’ve had many interference motors make it through without damage. You don’t need smoke to find a bent valve.

@briandonald Год назад

I’m interested in knowing what the owner decided. It really depends on the individual. People have emotional connections with their vehicles and might pay more than what’s it worth to fix it.

@Lovesausage269 Год назад

Everyone I’ve known that owned one hates their pt cruiser lol

@ptlover9789 Год назад

You obviously don't know me and my great two PT Cruisers.

@briandonald Год назад

@@Lovesausage269 😂

@sim8324 Год назад

The only say I would fix it if it has something really special like 18k seat belts or something like that lol

@scottysgarage4393 Год назад

Low mile car just in need of a belt; you would expect they'd fix it. And while I do not understand it, most everyone I ever met loved these goofy little things.

@justinferguson5451 Год назад

I had to chuckle at the 3rd stall, if you had 50 stalls they’d all be full and you have to nose something in behind something else 🤣

@StansAuto83 Год назад

You can replace the timing belt it that what went. Most those engines do not hit valves when belt goes. But the water pump also needs replacing when doing a belt on the pt.

@666cemetaryslut Год назад

Ray isn't a mechanic with a RU-vid channel, he's a RU-vidr with a mechanic side hustle. This video proves it.

@cavemansnow4346 Год назад

If it were anything other than a PT CRUISER I think the cost effectiveness of replacing an engine verses buying a new car is usually worth it.

@GuysPlayingWithTools Год назад

A PT Cruiser would be a happy place to put a 350 Chevy. 😁

@RukarioEnterprisesLLC Год назад

You're right. New engine is $4500. New car is $25,000 to anywhere between $50,000 because of inflation

@GuysPlayingWithTools Год назад

@Mega_Rukario928 yeah... car prices are through the roof. I was looking at a car I liked a could weeks back, and it was $76k after options and everything. Yeesh

@patriotgarage Год назад

I know this is going to shock you. some people. well... sit down... you sitting down? they actually like the PT Cruiser... Why? I don't know.

@kenore4003 Год назад

With the 400 block and a little stroking and boring you can have a SB 427. If more is better then too much is just about right.

@GruntPa101 Год назад

"Seriously?" That perfectly describes my relationship with Chrysler products.

@kellylynn9295 Год назад

Seems like the pre-2000 2.4s weren't too bad but after 2000 they had so many issues. My friends and i owned a few of both generations. My 97 stratus had 198,000 when I sold it and it ran amazing.

@brucedale4465 9 месяцев назад

That was before fiat a stellantis took over since then the dodge products are junk

@victorbarajas1395 Год назад

Thanks Ray, for the wonderful work you do for us! In reality, people don't maintain their cars as supposed to. People spend more money in entertainment, a sound system, going to the best restaurant in town, going on bacation. As long as the car runs, they don't think that far

@Tony-he8ze Год назад

$169 an hour labor! I'm a little behind the times. I was thinking in the $100 dollar area. Anyway, it doesn't look like it would be that hard to put a belt on it. Might be worth a try. If it doesn't run right it's crusher time.

@Timotheousturalyon Год назад

In my area its not even 100 and hour for an independent mechanic. Guess it's connected to where a mechanic is located.

@glennschemitsch8341 Год назад

AND plus parts. I wonder if Ray charges for all that brake cleaner that he uses on the videos to the customer, or is that for our benefit so he can vent by throwing the cans. LOL.😆🚙🚙

@Tony-he8ze Год назад

@@glennschemitsch8341 In one episode he said he got brake cleaner from viewer contributions. Wether that's still the case I don't know. I have thought the same, a way to vent. Pretty funny watching the can journeys.

@Tony-he8ze Год назад

@@Timotheousturalyon Yeah, wonder what he charges.

@glennschemitsch8341 Год назад

@@Tony-he8ze That stuff is not cheap.

@ethanwible3928 Год назад

As a MOPAR tech, things breaking the moment they start is pretty standard.

@bragiodinsen4604 Год назад

seeing you diagnose the problem helps me understand how it works a lot more than just watching someone repair it. thanks alot.

@gordonwelcher9598 Год назад

I don't see any destruction! I want to see pistons popping, crankcases cracking, valves crushing and bearings spinning!

@stevefox6559 Год назад

Hey Ray, really enjoy your videos, I don’t think I’ve ever missed one but curiosity has gotten the best of me and I just have to ask. What ever become of the Subaru with the broken bolt in the block? Wishing you and yours the very best.

@dave6199 Год назад

Yes I forgot about that one I was on the edge of my seat at the time

@Parknest Год назад

He said that he would have to replace the engine at his own expense and he was gonna source a used engine.

@dave6199 Год назад

@@Parknest I was hoping he could get around that...big call

@BlindMansRevenge2002 Год назад

most likely repaired and shipped behind the scenes! It was a very embarrassing moment for Ray! So he was humble enough to admit it he may have been frustrated enough not to film it! Eric, from I do cars hooked him up with a replacement engine.

@dave6199 Год назад

Yeh I think they might have found a fix without pulling the motor just might not be good on film which is understandable

@chrischreech5869 Год назад

No wasps were harmed in the making of this video 😅

@MrTrailerman2 Год назад

They are high off of brake kleen.

@jeffreymrrs150 Год назад

That motor is fine.ive seen that happen several times on pt cruisers.they strip on turn over.does not hurt the valves.timing kit will fix it.

@jonathanmacdonald9276 Год назад

The “ cruiser bruiser” as we called it up here in Chicago. My old childhood best friends father had this exact same car but blue. There was always some new problem with the car

@TheDon8771 Год назад

Golf carts are awesome for pulling cars in the garage. 😂

@MonkeyJedi99 Год назад

They're also good for upgrading from a PT Cruiser.

@Misterfishface Год назад

Ray definitely try a new timing belt as others have said if it stripped on the crank the valves are probably ok worth a shot

@cossiedriverrs Год назад

Great channel, and you called the hood a "bonnet", which pleased me, as I am from the UK 🙂

@user-lb1ks2ip8q Год назад

Glad to see Ray's growing and having your own employee now.. Glad to see Ray's growing and having your own employee now..

@joshuamcdaniel3132 Год назад

That's why I love timing chains over timing belts

@hightttech Год назад

Replace the belt. Cams still in time, so valves did not hit each other. If you're skeptical, then do leakdown on 1 and 4 when new belt installed, but before buttoning everything up.

@mdmyer Год назад

I've always wanted to convert one of those into a rwd and drop a V8 under the hood. That's what they should have been from the factory.

@lcoghe1991 Год назад

I can’t believe you didn’t just try a belt 🤣

@danrascal4045 Год назад

Thank you for showing the cost breakdown!

@kman0146 Год назад

The cams probably never moved until you barred it over. The issue would be if 1 cam moved and the other didn't. It might be faster to just throw a belt on it than to remove the cams and smoke test it.

@meporter69 Год назад

Exactly.

@Grumpy-sy7wr Год назад

Precisely what I'd be doing.

@HouseCallAutoRepair Год назад

It WOULD have been.... Until he turned the cams and made sure they'd hit! I don't think that was a smart move...

@georgemartin5980 Год назад

You guys must have been inhaling on your smoke tests. As soon as the crank stripped the belt, there would be valves open to get kissed by the still-moving pistons.

@kman0146 Год назад

@@georgemartin5980 If you had been listening you would have heard that engine only has interference between the valves not with the pistons.

@toast9758 Год назад

god dude I love the chemistry you got with the rest of the mechanics you work with. Really wish the last shop I worked at had another mechanic like you, or really just a boss like you lol

@NeedForSpeed.2004 Год назад

I feel u. The ppl at my shop are like that as well, and my shop manager has known me since I was a kid. My mom is very good friends with him & his wife.

@gordonwelcher9598 Год назад

I don't see any destruction! I want to see pistons popping, crankcases cracking, valves crushing and bearings spinning!

@pantherplatform Год назад

That place you're at reminds me of working for one of these sprawling dealerships on US 19 in St Pete with billboards in the distance.

@carlcollingwood2063 Год назад

C'mon Ray - help the customer out. You know you want to play with that car's guts. 2nd hand engine installed by Ray? Hell, I'd pay you to put one in my car! It's RAY!!!

@ryulee458 Год назад

Well Ray I think you should consider putting a new timing belt and see what happens

@Clearanceman2 Год назад

Eric the car guy did that with a honda one time and got lucky.

@ryulee458 Год назад

@@Clearanceman2 I love watching Eric the car Guy he's awesome.

@sirich7751 Год назад

Sometimes you have to look at it from the point of what would a new reasonable car cost? 5k down and 450/mo. That’s over 10k first year. It wouldn’t do it on a PT cruiser but a Toyota or something…maybe

@kleinco Год назад

I’ve dealt with two slipped timing belts on these pt cruisers … both times the engine survived. Seems like they like eating belts

@TurboCarotte Год назад

I love the foreshadowing from the battery branded "DieHard". xD

@jeffleach2668 Год назад

You know how you can hit a wasp in mid air with brake clean and he’ll drop right to the ground? When I lived in Tucson I submerged a scorpion in brake clean and it just pissed it off. Did not expect that.🤔

@AccountInactive Год назад

"I tried to kill a spider with glitter body spray. Now it won't stop stripping and it makes me call it Cinnamon." 😂

@volvo09 Год назад

Yeah brake clean is instant on wasps.

@SOU6900 Год назад

@volvo09 so is soapy water.

@spaceflight1019 Год назад

@@AccountInactiveWell...

@TC-yx2ss Год назад

I've used WD40 to knock wasps out mid air.

@onryboy2264 Год назад

In my opinion that thing wasn't worth that amount when it was new off of the showroom floor.😅😅😅

@JohnRodriguesPhotographer Год назад

My spark plug sockets are older than I am at 65.

@zaphodbeeblebrox1880 Год назад

Not the bees! My youngest brother was given a 93 Dodge Spirit about a year before he could drive it. Sat in a cut grass field. We didn't see the name "Candyman" on the title, but we have our suspicions. Open the door? BEES! Open the fuel fill door? BEES! Trunk, hood? BEES! There was a running joke that anywhere he drove for the first month, he was followed by a swarm of angry bees.

@johncherish7610 Год назад

Since you do a lot of work on PT Cruisers it may be worth the effort to replace the timing belt. You can reuse it on another PT Cruiser if that fails to fix the problem. If it works it may be worth the money to fix it that way just on the chance that is all that it needs. Either way if it fails you may take the car as payment for the belt and labor cost and part the car out if the owner decides to junk it

@waterloo123100 Год назад

A junk car isn’t worth a timing belt job. Your not making any money that way.

@johncherish7610 Год назад

@@waterloo123100 IN these days when buying a new car for 40 to 60K and having a car payment vs replacing a timing belt or engine swap may be the way to go. If the interior is in good shape has good rubber all the way around and was maintained in other areas it may be better than having a car payment for 5 years. of course that depends on the owner. Also since the owner might junk it anyway and Ray does a lot of work on other PT Cruisers for the dealer next door it could turn into a nice parts car and he could make money from the parts as well to fix other PT Cruisers

@ronaldbrosius7488 Год назад

You should at least do a cylinder leak down test!! (Its the tool you hook up to shop air, turn engine over by hand see if all valve are sealing. Easy test to know for sure 👍) i would definitely do before I called the customer, maybe he got Lucky and just needs a belt. If you aren't testing, you're guessing!

@Mizman76 Год назад

Thanks for explaining to him what a leak down test is. I'm SURE he's never heard of one before! Smh.😊

@AcidFlash123 Год назад

For those saying he should do this, or do that you are missing the big picture. It's a CHRYSLER...it's not even worth what it cost to tow it in. Clean everything out of it, remove the plates and call the scrap yard. It can retire there with just about every other Chrysler/Dodge/Ram/Plymouth/Jeep product that has ever been made.

@williamedwards3546 Год назад

I’m calling the bug 🐛 police 👮‍♀️ Ray, you killed a whole family 😂😂😂

@dilwyn1 Год назад

Good job Ray ... Gone are the days of the good old Ford "Pinto" engines (1800cc) where we carried a spare belt to put on if one broke, as the valves were always OK 😁

@isaiahwelch8066 Год назад

The 2.3L inline 4 engines used in the Pinto also were non-interference engines. And, they used a rubber belt as well. The problem with the 2.3L belt, up to 1993, was that the belt teeth could get sheared by the torque needed to started the engine, especially cold. I've changed the belt on my Ranger multiple times when it's been very cold outside. The worst time was when the weather was only 14° F.

@dilwyn1 Год назад

@@isaiahwelch8066 😄 Easy to do, but a damn pain in the ass!! LOL!

@isaiahwelch8066 Год назад

@@dilwyn1 It is. But at the same time, I've gotten _very_ good at fixing the timing belt, even on the side of the road. Thing is, my ex had a 1999 Cavalier that did what this PT Cruiser was doing: Only half the engine would turn. $850 later, and a shop doing the work, the car ran almost like brand new. My ex let the maintainence on the timing belt go for over 15k miles beyond spec (the odo had 163(?)k miles, the spec was 150K miles).

@dilwyn1 Год назад

@@isaiahwelch8066 Ditto!

@alanm.4298 Год назад

It was interesting to see the estimate and hear your hourly rate, Ray. A friend had a Chrysler Crossfire... sort of odd looking sports car? But he liked it... except when it needed work! The local dealer charges $180 hr. to work on Chryslers. But because the Crossfire is all Mercedes underneath, he got to pay the $300 hr. they charge to work on those! Same shop. Same mechanics doing the same work. But just because it's a Mercedes... $$$! That was a few years ago. I bet they charge more now.

@akio2589 Год назад

Which is a good reason to avoid the stealer.

@RighteousWeevil Год назад

I had an 09 pt cruiser (looked basically exactly like this) and one day it decided that oil and coolant shouldn't be so separated; wound up junking it because the repair was WAY more then the value

@MakeItWithCalvin Год назад

This is why, ESPECIALLY ON AN INTERFERENCE ENGINE, you change the timing belt! My 96 Civic is an interference engine and I make sure to change that belt as-needed.

@markraday8071 Год назад

Hey Ray, I have been watching your videos all along but not commenting, but this one is one for me. With the price of cars now I probably would change the timing belt and hope for the best. Just my opinion. Ya never know

@richardsmith2721 Год назад

I was amazed at how versatile brake clean is. It also makes for a delightful dessert topping.

@robertnixon1374 Год назад

On my Aunt Lucy’s mulberry caterpillar pie.

@halh865 Год назад

it was an another brake cleaner 'opportunity'...!

@wilddave18073 Год назад

I'm pretty sure that he used an actual can of Raid for the wasps. He was very cautious about not showing the brand.

@jdwithheld8915 Год назад

Wait a minnit! ….wasn’t that Eric O’s can of brake clean?

@shawn576 Год назад

It was probably raid. You would never want to spray brake cleaner on paint or plastic. It would actually do less damage to the paint or plastic to hit it with a blow torch for a split second.

@jimsix9929 Год назад

the book will say it is an interferance engine but I have done a lot of timing belts on them, only had one that had a slightly bent valve

@timothyallbritton1961 Год назад

We keep a spare belt for Neons and PT Cruisers as we have found that more than half don't bend the valves. We have a PT in the shop now that didn't bend the valves. We always spend an extra hour of diagnose time to pop a test belt on to verify if the pistons touched or not. If we find that the valves are bent we go the following route. We R&R the head and install a new timing set which includes the water pump. Why were you calculating to R&R the engine? Head bolt set $36.99, head gasket 49.99, new cylinder head $571.00, timing belt set with tensioner, idler, and water pump $184.00, and of course oil and filter change. Our labor rate is $100 per man-hour. Our total going this route would have been a little less than $2000. These parts prices are over-the-counter prices so our price is about 22% less. I would have taken the head to our local machine shop for repair which usually runs around $300. I used the Orilleys price just for the sake of knowing the worst-case scenario. Pulling the head is easy to do in the vehicle. Great video :)

@Helmuesi911 Год назад

Great commentary.. it’s like if the inner voice in your head came to life and there was a camera to record it.

@mikefoehr235 Год назад

That belt must have been passed its BEST BEFORE DATE. I am sure if the belt was replaced in a timely fashion, none of this would have happened

@patriotgarage Год назад

I forget if its 60 or 90K but generally belts have a miles or age they should be replaced. We may never know if the belt was original to the car.

@mikefoehr235 Год назад

@@patriotgarage 100 000 kilometres or 60 000 miles seems like a reasonable maintenance schedule. I prefer chains. If you change oil often, chains ⛓️ last a long time. When they fail, they often give you warning ⚠️.

@ianwheat1577 Год назад

People don't seem to maintain cars timing belt replacement $500 .they need replacing 60 to 100 k depending what make of car

@shannon-852 Год назад

Hey Ray, a suggestion that may or may not be helpful: If you were able to build a relationship with a local used car dealer that is honest (they do exist!) then it might help to soften the blow to a customer when you have to deliver the worst news on their vehicle. Its something I do as a salesman working with local technicians when a customer wants to spend money on equipment that's too worn out and vice versa when the the customer wants to jump the gun and replace something that needs a minor repair. It's a great way to build customer confidence and loyalty even if it costs you a sale sometimes.

@TLGEyes Год назад

I'm used to R&I being " Remove and Inspect " per dealership terminology

@leonardsnow8118 Год назад

You may have bent more valves when you manually turned it

@steve5x565 Год назад

Possibly but unlikely when turning the cams by hand, I do wonder why he hasn’t looked at a replacement cylinder head though. The bottom end doesn’t need replacing as the valves don’t hit the pistons, they just hit each other.

@raycollington4310 Год назад

I reckon it was already toast when the car was left in his lot.

@scott.koopmann Год назад

Ray could do a cylinder leak test with compressed air and determine if the valves are bent or not. There is a pretty good chance that it just needs a timing belt.

@volvo09 Год назад

Hard to do by hand...

@scott.koopmann Год назад

@@volvo09 You obviously don't know what a cylinder leak test is. It's not the same as a compression test.

@ErikssonTord_2 Год назад

I'd try a new timing belt (if the owner agrees to it), just in case it was just the belt tensioner that had given up (and compression is OK).

@scotshabalam2432 Год назад

When they were selling this car it was supposed to become a classic. You're working on a classic! LOL

@rjcolombe Год назад

Thought for sure you were talking about the 2.7L V6. They usually grenade by 100k.

@EristiCat Год назад

I had a 2009 PT and kept it for 11 years. Phenomenally good vehicle. Solid as a billet. The build quality on these was amazing. Only weakness was they are underpowered.

@ICantBreve Год назад

😂☠️

@MrMattDat Год назад

Man, I remember thinking the PT Cruiser was just so cool after it came out. Each year after that I learned how they can make a cool looking vehicle out of POC parts! Just too damn bad.

@rangerider9091 Год назад

I’ve owned four of them since they came out. One for my daughter and one to pull behind the motor home which I still have and a turbo five speed for fun. IMO the greatest most versatile, comfortable utilitarian vehicle Chrysler ever built. Bar none. I’m looking for another rust free one to put away for the future because there just isn’t a better new car out there.

@TheMarkemmy Год назад

Broke the timing belt on my PT Cruiser. The mechanic told me I should take the radiator cap and put it on a new car. Up to that point the nagging issue for me was having to replace the front wheel bearings and cross link every 15,000 miles. That was the reason I never got another Chrysler product after that.

@SpringBonnie1983 Год назад

I owned a PT Cruiser and recognized the engine bay from the thumbnail, no matter how much money you put into it, the engine is gonna blow sooner or later.