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Not their fault though that liquid/ heroic didnt make it to semis/ finals. Also they won the major without losing a map so they did everything they could.
i mean, if tier 1 lost against tier 2-3 like u said, then why vitality didnt too ? If vita won the major its cause they didnt lose any maps they played
I don't think the win was a fluke, but I also don't think that any 1 team is truly in a dominant era that makes the big events easy to predict. An exciting time to be a CS fan for sure :)
Couldn't have said it better. After so many roster changes last year, we have a very competitive scene now. Previously, we always had two same 2top teams battling for the #1 and pretty much no breakthrough from any other team. This year we can see Spirit domination, saw and EF coming to t1, mouz starting to look like a title contender team.
@@ropz_karambit1494 Yeah, it's actually that simple. But "analysts" be like: "Oh noo, see it was actually a fluke because stats!" Winning is the only stat that matters. So, win the right games.
Well they made major semis with nexa and didn't with jks. With nexa they atleast get to playoffs and if Niko and Hunter actually performed they have a very good chance at going to finals
@@xlgapelsin6173 Nexa only showed up on Anubis and is a worse option than jks. G2 lost when they continued to egopeek JL on ancient after his ace. I truly believe that if JL doesn’t get that ace then we would’ve seen a G2 vs Faze final.
Will people stop with this jks nonsense, nexa was like the second-best guy for g2 in most maps, problem with g2 is Niko not being able to play cs2 hunter being terrible and hooksy not having anything when they start losing. jks was not even good let alone the reason for g2 playing well.
@@Kod3N_ i did, ibelieved in the aleksib system, if you watch closely through the major they were cooking on some crazy strats, especially mid round. it seemed like navi always game to the games with no strat and adapted to what the opposing team were playing, especially when they call a timeout they are always cooking behind the mics.
true, navi fumbles the ball a lot, but when u see how the rounds go where they win, they're very dominant and amazing. they just need to be more consistent. their strats and plays are good enough, they just need all their players to be consistent
Ethernal Fire - Faze - 13:1 Ethernal Fire - NAVI - 0:2 Faze - Spirit - 2:1 Faze - NAVI - 1:2 G2 - MOUZ - 2:0 G2 - NAVI 1:2 NAVI won the playoffs against strong teams, and they deservedly won the cup
@@bascbasc4886 I mean it doesn't matter who they played against in final, semi, quarter. They would play against strongest teams anyway and they actually did. You want to prove that Launders wrong by showing results and scores, but it doesn't really go well for navi run since navi lost to teams that lost to teams that lost to navi, in bo3. Navi victory is deserved but the problem is that there are no such thing as underserved victories.
what is up with people saying it was a fluke? That they were just lucky? It's obvious these guys have put in so much to get that trophy and the bracket was hard too, they proved themselves. Yes they have a good record against G2 but they still needed to win the match, and going against faze, the ranked no.1 team, is a behemoth of a challenge. NaVi won and it wasn't a fluke, and teams should not be questioned on whether it was a legitimate victory unless they are cheating. They are the champions.
Honestly I am just happy that NaVi gave us two exciting three mappers in playoffs. NaVi vs G2 was probably my favourite major playoff match I have ever seen.
The fluke angle doesn't track at all for me. EF shoot hard, it's not a walkover. Then they meet the best player at the major, probably the most impactful player in the world atm in m0nesy. Then they beat the most experienced playoff team in the final. You don't have to look far for a much easier run at the major. Like Paris for example. I didn't see anyone calling the Vitality run a fluke even though they only beat teams that were there only because of upsets and had 0 playoff experience at big events.
I gotta say, there is nobody I wanted to win this major more than Navi. It's just so beautiful to see this team succeed. There is something I want to point out that rarely ever gets mentioned. If you watch the Navi vlogs and hear their comms, iM is the guy who gives all the info, he helps Aleksi with calling, and does everything he can to help his team. He also has a very strong mental, and as we've seen over the years (looking at you Niko), that is simply REQUIRED to win a major. My hot take is this: if Navi went -iM +s1mple before the major, there is no chance in hell they even make it to the playoff stage.
I think wonderful deserves more flowers for this major. He absolutely carried Navi through that EF game and was hitting necessary shots throughout the playoffs. Very reliable and the clutch ability is nuts.
you can hate on navis win all you want but they played better than people are giving them credit for. that table @3:45 ? the top 2? lost to navi. it takes a lot to break faze and g2 on lan. i think people are confused because there's no s1mple to accredit this win to - no star player, and people cant explain to themselves how navi won without just a massive carry.
Why is it in CS that people almost always say a team "chokes" or "doesn't show up" when they lose badly. Most of the time they get outplayed or simply unlucky. Of course AFTER you have already been losing a lot you start crumbling mentally. In the Final Karrigan simply outplayed aleksi on mirage and on inferno all Navi players showed up with b1t playing like his 2021 self. Nobody crumbled.
I have to agree with you, map 1 they went toe to toe. Map 2 Faze crushed them with all the momentum being with Faze. To come back from that and played like they did... Come on, give credit where credit is due. NAVI WON the major, Faze did not lose it. Just because they were the underdogs doesn't mean they didn't outplay Faze. NAVI's players just played better... period
The way I see it, Na'Vi is a team that's composition is greater than the sum of its parts. No matter what team they are playing they will play good, they have insane consistency at the moment. Not long ago NaVi was one of only 2 teams that was even able to get maps against Spirit, the other being mouz that actually beat them. This has to be because of Blade's phenomenal coaching and mentorship of these players. And something tells me that this team is just getting their era started, bold prediction but I just have a feeling.
I think they are worse than the sum of their parts. iM looks almost useless. B1t was very inconsistent of the final and wonderful is not carrying as an awper
@@launders so, you agree with the comment? the parts individually aren't very good, but put together they perform. iM stat-wise useless, b1t inconsistent stats, w0nderful not topping the stats every time, yet they won the major, so their team is better than the (individual statistic....) parts
Love how my navi boys gone and done it, love it. Commentators were disrespecting them way too much, and you still are which is sad. It's obvious you guys need to respect them more.
Respect is earned, the truth is important anyone who argues against that is disrespecting the game and its history. True fans don’t pick teams I don’t know what disrespect you were talking about but they had some bad games this major
@launders so winning against g2 who has monesy with an mvp performance and a faze on fire is not quality? Winning a major is not earning respect? What respect have you earned then? All you do is talk. 🤔
Shoutout to launders! The first caster/analyst that says that iM isnt used properly in the team. I have said it so many times, he isnt made to be a lurker imo, this role takes a lot of gamesense and experiente, which he doesnt have. He can be a rlly good entry or second entry, but too soon to be a lurker. His Nuke CT is trash tho. His CTs are sometimes horrible, idk why.
Well as u said it was the most stacked playoffs how does it surprise you it was with 50% round wins. And it's stupid to watch stats on navi, they never die for nothing, they always die for some positive impact. The only stupid death I remember was when jL pushed banana as sole b player in 3v2 in finals. But in the long run it's good death, they weren't afraid to play. And people said b1t didn't show up untill inferno, but the enemies avoided him like sickness. Like g2 putting m0nesy to hold him, not going to his site. The only time they do is when they setup counterplay him with niko. And if you go rewatch, w0nderful was out of this world lol. Saved their ass so many times like jL
Launders, correct me if I'm wrong, but this round win % being low is because they lost from a huge margin in maps that they lost, but won by a small margin in maps that they won, right?
Launders: ”So the current event with a bunch of top teams just happened, team x beat team Y and met team Z in the final. This reminds me of the 2018 boston major where cloud 9…”
Worst major run was Vitality in Paris 2023 for sure, the teams they had to beat made it seem like a mickey mouse tournament. NAVI faced against the strongest player in playoffs (G2 M0nesy) and a FaZe Clan that knocked out both Spirit and Vitality. ????
Why do you always mention Karrigan, when you talk about Faze losing. It's a team game and the loss is not on him alone. The hate towards Karrigan is getting out of hand...
Aleksib + Blade combo is definetely cooking in the kitchen, but NAVI needs to give them better ingredients if they're going to consistently compete for the trophies. I give 100% credit to the IGL + coach combo, but the rest are debatable. Time will tell.
@@spladoinkk even outside of hltv rankings i think the consensus is that Faze and G2 are in top 5 (arguable with Mouz, but Mouz got demolished personally by G2)
in Romania (mostly Bucharest) we had a great internet-cafe culture starting with the red alert/starcraft days (just LAN no internet) to quake2/half life (pirated btw) and when the CS beta arrived (i remember we played 747 and prodigy) and all computers were running it, then with 1.5 and 1.6 on private romanian servers (0 ping) no one was playing anything else, and to this day CS has a rich history here.
arguably outsider or vitality was worse atleast navi played faze in the final outsiders played heroic who were known for choking vitality played tier 2 teams
Question is how much we want to emphasise group stage games? Sure Navi had some close wins and big losses, but Navi went 8/8 in games that went double digits.
iM is now more involved in team play as a 2nd caller and helps alot with nades if you check his impact at this major u will get shocked is the 2nd highest impact in the team
I felt the same way going in that it was going to be a mid final with Faze winning. I already accepted the fact I was going to be disappointed. I couldn't have been happier about the outcome. I did not get to watch the Boston Major live as it happened a few months before I got into CS, but I have watched the entire grand final VOD and this major was hype, just not as hype
i think what we saw this major that cs2 is more about teamwork rather than individual skill. Like u dont have to have zywoo or ropz or (old) niko to win things
I compare this win for NaVi as when Finland win world hockey championship, Finland never has individuals like Canada or Russia or Usa and rearly has a tournament point leader in team, but still they managed to win those teams multiple times and win championship coz they have best coaching, strategy and teamwork, its a team game so you dont nessesary need those best individuals, ofc it might help you but it also might destroy the team chemistry if you have some big egos or toxic personalitys in team even their stats are good... So i would say its a miracle run for NaVi but there's alot more than just being a fluke.
I think you miss understand MVP meaning. JL was so clutch and important to the team in crucial moments. Monesy got nice kills and rating but didnt have the same impact in crucial games TO THE TEAM. Best player and MVP are two different things. Monesy lost even crucial round in the semifinals for G2.
I watched the ENCE team mostly as a meme, but then I became an aleksi fan because I started seeing the games, seeing how he plays and how he talks about the game and you just can't hate the guy. Then everything happened and I was super excited when he got into that OG lineup and unfortunately things just didn't work out because of the pandemic. But still, I stayed a fan and I kept believing and it's what made this all the more special. After all the hate threads, all the haters, all the non believers and blind orgs, he got his flowers, his trophy, and silenced everybody and I couldn't actually be happier how all of this turned out. Racism took an L, but I think we got a great result out of this major and I really hope this team (and mostly aleksi) keeps on bangin
navi played against a hot g2, an extremely hot EF and a 7 time finalist faze... yeah i dont call that a "bad run" thats impressive, considering no one picked them to win any of those games
