WotLK Classic ALL DPS Tier List in 3.3.5 (Warmane Wrath of the Lich King) 

I don't know why, but I just imagine you're the guy that actually has all of the Warmane servers in his basement.

I love that you made it clear that it's all about DPS. No utilities included. Haha! I agree with your list.

I wish people would say that this only applies on ICC. Naxx and ulduar rankings looks very different

Great stuff man, looking forward to seeing more clips!

A few notes: One, if you want to roll a warrior, you will be using arms for the first two tiers, and when you get enough gear, switching over to fury. It isn't really until ICC that Fury gets good. TLDR: you will do shit damage and your guild will carry you through most of the content, but at the end of the expansion when you have great gear only a fire mage can do more damage. If you don't already have a group that is cool with this, it will be tough to find a spot, so keep that in mind. Survival is not "non viable" at any tier, but they will do MUCH less damage than MM when you get to the point where you can start gemming for armor pen (when you have at least 800 from gear alone before gems). It is really only due to armor pen that hunters do decent damage (which still isn't anything to write home about), and since much of survival's damage is in the form of magic damage it can't keep up. However, early on survival will do more damage than MM hunters. The point at which MM takes over is when you can get a ilvl 226 ranged weapon (below this the flat damage values on bows/guns are much lower). So if you want to min max, you will start out as survival. If you have more than one hunter though, having one of them go MM and pick up imp hunter's mark from the start is an overall DPS increase for the raid (at 2 or more hunters this is the case). With all of that said, you really want one or two Hunters in a group; if anyone has an odd chore to deal with during the fight, or needs to kite adds, they do this well... plus they are the only other class besides rogues that brings a threat redirect. Arcane is not bad at any tier; the highest parses in live during ICC were usually Arcane mages. Plus, keep in mind as mana becomes not as much of an issue, you can funnel innervates into them. The only amount of "skill" is in planning out your mana over the course of a fight. If you end a fight with mana left, you did it wrong... that extra mana could have been more damage. Ideally though, you will want to dump any extra mana when all your CDs are up (and during Heroism/Bloodlust), which tends to be at the start of a fight. So surprisingly the two button spec requires a ton of planning, and you are heavily punished if you don't get it right (so if you go for it and fail, you are worse off than if you didn't bother and just dumped mana at the end). Like the warrior, you will most likely be starting off as Arcane and moving to fire when you have the hit and crit to support the spec; the latter ends up scaling phenomenally with crit. I have seen some people run fire from the start, but that is with very specific gear and ensuring the 25 has the buffs it needs to be decent (so this will not be the case for most people). IMO, don't bother with FFB spec, in between, as losing Focus Magic to chain onto the other mages is too big of a loss, plus it is even less consistent than fire. Do keep in mind until you have an insane amount of gear (and therefore crit) fire will not do as well in a 10 man depending on the buffs you might not have like you would in 25. If this is the case, it can be worth keeping an Arcane off spec for 10s if you find you are doing much less damage. As for Warlocks, you always want ONE Demo and they are built like a support spec, sacrificing their own damage to provide an insane SP buff from stacking Spirit. It can quickly outpace the SP buff from Ele's totem of Wrath, so if you get the Demo spot over having another Affliction lock, THIS is why and you need to embrace that you are a support class. As for Affliction, they are horribly overpowered for the first two tiers and are solid the whole way through. There are a lot of unintuitive ways to min max your damage (corruption rolling comes to mind) so if you want to play Affliction it is worth doing your homework beforehand to learn all of those intricacies. Corruption rolling alone can make up 30-35% of your damage! Also, there is nuance in the execute phase, and Affliction does the most damage during execute... so worth learning as well. Ret isn't bad (especially later on) and your guild might have a spot for one in a 25... but you need to understand why that might be. Besides being the only other viable spec that provides the % increase in damage buff to the whole raid (Arcane being the other) you might be expected to have a 2nd ret spec that takes Divine Sacrifice/Divine Guardian to cheese certain fights especially on heroics. Having to use that spec will throw your damage into the toilet and make you cry. If you want to go ret you need to understand 1) you are a support class first, and your utility should be a large focus and 2) there will only be one spot in a 25... so if you don't know how to use things like Aura Mastery or your plethora of CDs they will find someone who will. If you just want to do melee damage and not worry about all of that pick rogue or DK. Boomies are high value from buffs and you want at least one. Yes, single target isn't the best, but if you play them well you can do really good damage in the first two tiers. A few things... first, you will want to focus on getting at least 30% crit even though haste before soft cap has higher value. If you don't you will never get into an eclipse state (meaning your damage will be shit) and you will run out of mana. As soon as you can move points out of mana talent like Intensity the better.... hell, Insect Swarm isn't even worth the DPS to press the button before 2/2 improved (it does provide a slight debuff that can cause the target to miss). There will be many situations where it is not the right time to use Starfall, and someone who understands this puts you ahead of most Balance players. Seriously, it's more annoying than hunters who can't control their pets. Shadow is solid the whole way through if you know what you are doing. Like corruption rolling for Affliction (at least on private servers) SW:P can "roll" over crit buffs and % damage increase buffs if it doesn't fall off. Again, high value from buffs and you want at least one. Later on in ICC, you can get to the point where you can take Mind Blast out of your rotation (make sure someone else is providing replenishment or your group doesn't need it). You can use this spreadsheet to calculate that point: www.dropbox.com/s/jha4d5nganc87io/MBRemove.xls?dl=0 Enhance is not bad, but it is rare to find a good player. The "hot new thing" in private servers is the "Spellhance" build, where you put flametongue on both weapons, use glyph of flametongue, fire nova, and stormstrike, prio changes to magma totem>maelstorm LB/CL>Fire Nova at the top, and use caster trinkets, weapon, neck, (and maybe a piece like wrist) to stack SP. Drinks mana like crazy. Any version is difficult to play but rewarding. Unless you want to run out and take Enhancing Totems there is no buff that someone else can't provide and do more damage. Poor Ele... ideal comp means there is no spot for you; EVERY buff can be provided by someone else who is more desirable or a superior version. Also, Ele pays the highest for the hybrid tax, meaning besides arms you are the lowest viable damage spec. Unless your guild doesn't have that one Demo you are shit out of luck. Sad days, especially since it is fun to play. Even 10s won't save you, since they will likely have another lock with a Demo off spec for that. For Shaman, the only thing really desired is a single Resto Shaman, but it is possible to get a spot as any spec depending on how hardcore the group is.

Thanks for the video dude! Let us all appreciate how you have provided footage for most of the specs as well. Nice! :D

This is all from a private server. This is probably the best expansion to play whatever you like. All classes are worth playing. Dont go by anything from the person that died in Die Hard.

Nah. You can do just fine on LK with an Acrane mage. Timing your bursts comes in super handy. Fire is easier due to DOTs, but the instant focus fire from arcane is very handy on valks.

Very high quality and informative video from an even more knowledgeable and smart and good looking and funny youtuber. Thanks for the video Gnev 👍

I think DK(frost) is A or S tier. Everything else is perfectly matched. Good job and keep going! 🤤

I like ure vids man! Keep up the nice work

i disagree with survival, can be pretty decent if played well, would i choose it over mm based on dps? probably not, based on fun ? absolutely

Excellent video and I love how blunt and honest you are

I actually top dps meters with my blood dps(FULL BiS), could the feral do more if I gave him the hysteria? Yes. Could the Fury do more dps with my hysteria? Yes. Do I care? No. If boss dies, the job is done. Blood dps with own hysteria pulls ez dps. Do I deal more dps on my unholy spec? I used to when I had str gems, however currently I have arp build and I ain't going back. 35k Deathstrikes are far too fun. Edit: ye after seeing retri S and blood C (blood does more dps wtf are you smoking fam, you said you only look at dps not at utility) I know this list is a troll, that or you have never seen a good blood dps. Also enha C? Might not be best class, but I have one in my LoD group that pulls quite an insane amount of dps for how much trash shaman dps gets. I really hope this list is a troll or I might start questioning the validity in the information on your other videos that I've watched.

Do tank list or healing. Good work bro :D

You should do this vid, but for each phase that would come out in wotlk. Would be more work of course.

Most accurate tier list for warmane

I disagree with blood dk. Blood dk can do amazing damage on single target and two target cleave fights. On heroic icc + shadowmourne gear level you can compete on fights like saurfang with equally geared fury warriors. You just spam 20k heart strikes and 30k death strikes, the only downside is that your deathcoil does comparatively no damage so your runic power dump moments are kind of underwhelming, but doing over 22k dps on fights like that is definitely possible.

Very accurate list! And it really pains me to see Elemental shaman on C but it's so true, I have a boomie and an ele shammy on warmane, they have the same level of gear but my boomie easily does 3k dps more.

Сэнк ю вэри мач! Вэри гуд видео! Лайк

I just love what he said about the subtlety there

Demo locks bring the most dps of any class if you consider the raid buff they give.

the good thing about wotlk is IMO, you can make every dps spec work and even outclass other dps players with higher tier classes, if you play better. surely at high end gameplay, numbers will decide who's better, but for middle class raid groups and pugs or random dungeons, you can do what you want and thats why wotlk is the best time to play wow!

Nice!! Done, very fun!!

Enhancement is godmode spec but very skill dependant.

Mozes lagano da krenes kontent PvE da rokas, vidim da imas sve klase skoro u pveu. Moze lepa lova da se uzme 💪

Gratz on 7k subs!

Good job , i wish you good luck in your future work on you tube :D

During ulduar i pumped on my assa rogue back in WotLK, when i got 2 swords from the dragon boss in ulduar i decided to give combat a swing. It was horrible ;p so i stuck to assa the rest of the expansion. I was allways at the top of the hill dmg dealer 👍 looking forward to WotLK classic, i am going to take up my daggers once more and re-live those glorious days 😉

This teir list made me laugh 😹

I remember ret pallies being gods all through the expansion.

I out dps balance and demon lock and spriest soooooooo hard by frost dk and I will out dps every ret paladin with Smourne by frost dk if they have to use their support spells like cleanse even 1 time during whole encounter... Frost dk is in wrong tier

Tbh frost dk from naxx patch till toc and unholy dk togc->icc are SS tier. I always topped dps if you know how to utilize the class. Good video

Solid analysis

Thanks alot for the vid. This should settle many debates of raging nerds now that they have video evidence :D Really good editing and i like the clips.

Nice video. I agree with most of your list, except on ranking of BM hunts and arcane mages, because these 2 clases are same as assassination rogue, you wont see a really good player of that spec very often, but when you see them, they are at least top 3 in skada.

The list is more or less fine, but I'd like to step in and share my personal experience playing on warmane for 3 years. Ranking assassination in same tier as feral, affliction and hunter, is very foolish, as they never do nearly as much damage end game. Assa is Tier A at best. Frost DK does way more damage than unholy or shadow priest single target, and if player properly can still do a lot of cleave with howling blast (seen them top valk dmg on LOD), so it definitely deserves tier A or higher. A good feral will always race warriors and mages for top dmg on single target bosses, and can easily be top 5 on LOD. I've played with few good ferals and they are really amazing to watch. Should be same tier as combat rogue. Although survival is low compared to the top classes, it can still shine on few fights with their trap damage. Definitely higher than ele shaman or destro warlock. I'd say at least C tier.

Great video, going to blow up when classic wrath is released haha

idk about frost dk being B, should be A and unholy going to S especially with gear

As an enha only player for 1+ years in warmane, having kinda mastered it, I've managed to hit top DPS in many fights with other specs w similar GS

No offence but i think u never saw a Blood dk full arpen. biggest mono target dps from far

i did like the video over all but i cant aggre with the list . first of all feral cat is the best dps in the game ( if you know how to play it ) also affly / bomie can be top also in a hands of a skilled player and i have to mention also demo lock u can easy top dps with a demo just by playing with your soulfire proc exemple marrow spike or lk ghouls . about frost mage and ele shaman dont like them in raids but seen skilled people play them for fun and you whoud be surprised like me seeing them in top dps. elemental shaman is a rly hard class to play its not just about spaming your lighting bolt like 90% of people who play ele .

Can't wait to see Blizzard Releasing Wotlk-Servers and all the Arcane-Mage will do TOP Dps.

Must be fun playing 5 raids your whole life

Part of the issue with arms might be that you're using your fury gear. Arms optimally will swap out quite a few pieces from the fury set (like the legs and hands). Your gemming will also be quite different. You also _should_ be able to fit in whirlwinds if you time them properly while specd for tactical mastery. Arms is mostly timing. I'm not trying to make it sound like arms does as much dps as fury, but it should only be a few thousand behind an equivalently geared fury warrior _at most_ . Your dps should not be half of a fury warriors.

The whole tierlist summarized in two sentences: "I played this spec and other people play it well, SS.", "I only tried this spec for 5 minutes and other people said it's weak, non-viable". Everything in between is just a mix of those two sentences. Biased as it can get.

Very nice video, good reasoning for every spec and why they lack dps etc

Srv Hunter was was not melee in WotLK.... but it was S tier DPS... IDK what you are talking about bud.

I agree with your choices for SS 100%.

i play survival hunter and i out dps MM hunters and fury warriors with same GS as my hunter i know MM out dps survival but learn survival you will see the DPS out put is not bad

Do one for healing pls

totally disagree on enha shaman. There's channel named Sharpshady WoTLK on yt. Dude doing the same dps if not better than 6.2 fury warriors in some pugs. This specc is hard to play but definetly higher than in your bracket. No offence but maybe you 're not playing it right yet. It's hard to master. in your video this shaman is using daggers and all....

the list is accurate only thing id put survival hunter a rank or 2 higher, I dont personaly play it but I've seen surival hunter topping useful dmg on lich king on lod. Thats atleast on horde idk about ally tho :)

If you look just dps wise a full arp bis blood dk dps with histeria hits top dps in raids, he just doesnt provide anything to the raid besides that

He is talking about meleeing as a survival hunter in WOTLK. Looooooooooooooool.

If we learned one thing about TBC classic is that private server data is useless.

Quick reminder for everyone this list is for the last patch with icc+RS gear! Don't expect to do 22k dps was fury in first phase of any wotlk u will be lucky to be invited for a naxx.

Brate otkrio sam te danas a uvek sam pikao warmane, kidas samo nastavi drago mi je da vidim nase da prave kvalitet za razliku od ostalih srpskih jutjubera!

I like MM Hunter, the whole meme of Huntard made me feel it was a joke class but realizing how beneficial it is in Toc and ICC makes me glad I picked that class, I feel important when I have a specific job in a raid fight just like a Healer or tank. Only worry is making sure I don't fuck up lol.

I played Fury and Ret mainly during wrath and that’s the most fun I ever had playing WoW. They were pretty simple but sometimes simple is best.

nice warrior arm

as someone who plays assass rogue, i can confirm it is a fun, decent spec to play, at 5.2k gs I was out dpsing 5.8k combat rogues, and hitting 12k single in VOA 25 at the time i was just stacking Attack power and had almost 500 hit rating from gear with 49% crit rating, rogues name is Assplay

unholy not about r1 dps, but stable 20k dps good spec imho

Ele and Enhance overall is B tier and can get up to A tier for people who are really good at them, you are utterly wrong about where you ranked them.

Good channel bro, I quite enjoy the videos and I look forward to more 👏👍 You play icecrown, right?

Poor baby hunter having to put traps down and do your job. Hunters were probably the most fun class to play along with mage

how come blood dk dps cant do any dmg lol? xD its top 5 single target spec in wotlk at late icc when u can reach 100% arp with talents and gear its super good

the music made me sub

everything you said about all the dk classes was wrong. blood dk at end game bis with full arp cap pulls amazing dps, and good UH dks dont use Pest to refresh diseases as thats a waste of a glyph

Laughed my ass off on Survival Hunter & Unholy DK abusing the WP on LOD fights truth indeed.

This tierlist is from icecrown server right

Man that hurt... I'm enhance... It's honestly the best dps in the game. I understand your Tier. But it's definitely S tier.

Every spec is good with gear

Combat is very good, but not as good as fury and fire, he should be S tier. Also frost Dk should be at least an A, other than that I completely agree Good video

Nice, clean and simple video man, is there any Wotlk video of this caliber for PvP?

On lorda LoD speed kills arms warr usually top 3 And blood DKs can pull big damage off on singletarget when stacking arp, so only good on DBS

Man I remember a dps blood dk doing like top 5 damage atleast in my guild I’m Ulduar back in the day. Maybe he was really good and the rest of us sucked idk but I don’t remember it being bad.

Thanks for the video. Can you share your ElvUI String?

survival hunter = melee on wotlk lol just ended the video for me there

With T7 a good player behind Enh Sham can np top the DPS charts, especially with its "Spellhance" spec. However, they don't scale so well as the expansion progresses. EDIT: Also, regarding shadow priests and seeing you play on Warmane, if you'll see Afterlight's (Best PvE guild on Icecrown realm, horde) LoD/RS25HC streams, you can see them priests top the DPS charts.

Enha is bit underrated here. I know that many players can't play it and can't do viable dps. I didn't see ever other viable enha sham, but telling the truth I am the one or one of them who can play it. I don't know why other ppl can't, maybe because it haven't got a rotation. It only have a prio list, and nearly anytime u have to choose, if your decisions good, it will revarding you, if not: it won't. Looks like an Affli lock, what was my other favorite. If u are not understand it, it will be shit. If u pay attention nearly on anything what you have to (rolling corr, multidot, procs, pretrinket, etc) it will revarding u with a fcking high dps. Enha has it's limit, can't be an SS, maybe can't be S, but it's definately an A.

survival hunter is not melee and until very late wotlk where you can get 100% armor pen on mm it easily out dpses other hunter specs. this tier list: non viable

In real wotlk back in the day assassination rogues were often dominating DPS in ICC.

Nice list but Frost DK Is a S at the minimum

i saw an enhance doing higher dps than bis warrior with sm on 2nd boss of toc25

Arms performs well endgame too I don’t see why it’s so low, considering you need to arms before icc too, in order to even get gear for fury, should atleast be a-b tier

This decides it! I just suck at this game haha I got MM hunter with great gear but my DPS is always 'meh'... Think I'll lvl something else anyways,cause as you said, the responsibilities are shit! Keeping orbs in the air etc...

heya, great video! what is your opinion on frostfire mage?

Stara Goveda, ahahhaahha :D.......Nikako nemam srece da nadjem nekoga da me busta u ice crown heroic ili negde gde mogu da uzmem weapon...hahahah samo napred!

AFF WARLOCKS BABY

Spend a bit more time on the SV hunter ,, its viable.

Shadow priest is MVP!

I assume you didn’t even play until WoD came out. Survival is not a melee spec.

"unfortunately i have to give boomkin an A" - disappointed soul

This is the best list ever. Straight to the point. Meters is the game, and fun is for the weak. I love it.

Why do many other people seem to rank assassination rogue and cat druid lower?

I played SP recently and topped dps almost all the time. That might be I got lucky with gear but I don't think so.

brate znas kad ce ret pala da napravi veci dps od mog fdk-a :D jedino sto fdk je nepotreban za bafoeve ,to je nesto drugo

Blood sub frost bis tank spec. Bring unholy dks and blood sub frost tank and you are set on dks. Your blood dk will do great dmg, provide the frost buffs and tank amazingly. If you don’t know this you don’t know dks and really shouldn’t be commenting on them. Early phases of wrath most go deep blood and bring a frost and unholy then swap around for optimizing as gear gets better.

great video ! can u send your version of the !detail addons for wotlk ? :D