Tier lists at this point dont matter THAT much, a lot of characters strenght depend on who you pair them with, pairing up Vivi with Helena with the right VCs for example is the deadliest combo at this moment imo.
This is a good point. I love the tierlist that are PVP focused, but a lot of this game is about VCs, Espers, etc. You could have the same units on your team but not the same VC set ups and the difference is staggering.
@@cestrella0108 Yeah man also I think Vivi is the top tier unit in this game lol, simply because if you pair Helena with any other than Vivi, you can beat her, you pair her with Vivi and its almost impossible and I notice that with other teams, Vivi seems to be the X factor in most teams, as long as Vivi is there you have a good chance of losing he can turn the battle around in 2 turns, specially if he lurks in the back.
@@sten3826 it was a Final Fantasy 9 limited unit, all you can do is wait for a re run of the banner god knows when xD and you also need his rainbow vc for him to work best
New Lucio is personally a 110 unit his durability rivals A2 and his kit has reraise and courage removal. His kit overall makes him compatible with different team comps. He can remove all buff types that are placed on enemy units (Haste removal included) Even though he doesn't have a reraise or courage built in were at a point of the game where having that isnt useful because modern units come with removal effects.
I dont know if she should be in a higher tier necessarily but I do think Vinera is insane for how long she's been a decent and viable dark team member even among the current units. Every update shes gotten has brought her further along and even her newest LB upgrade makes it so her evade remains relevant while poison can do work on any tank, her 120 ability keeps her tanky enough to take hits and she's mobile enough to get in and bait teams out of buffing while mostly being able to survive until your team arrives to take advantage. I run her with two 100 cost units in Raph and Seph so that tips the scales a little but I do really like her in that team still even over stronger units like Leela the Bold who does similar things.
You forgot to mention the reason why A2 is so up there is because of her sustainability. You literally don't need to bring healers with the A2 Faris SGlaci team,everyone somehow heal themselves and each other,plus the fact that A2 is an android means man eater does nothing
This is so true it hurts. Tough attackers that can self heal themselves and even party members I think is some of the strongest skills any unit can ever do. I don't see it get talked about. But man it's very, very solid thing for an attacker to be able to do.
@@hiddenlore5312 i mean youre right. I slept on her too. Because i wanted to really beef out 2B and 2P. I even managed to reincarnate 2P about 23 times which took a lot of saving. Nothing else for the other Nier units. Also blew my currency on the new Lucio unit so nothing left for collecting A2.
@hiddenlore5312 also may I ask? How does a player go about pulling off an 80 times reincarnation? It's such a massive amount of shards and resources. Like how do you acheive that
@@MonkeyHero i myself am a somewhat of a whale, i just bought her up. i cant speak for others tho. but im building A2 with upcoming ice oldoa tank that we know is coming from JP, its gonna be a storm for sure in my opinion. but i cant really blame people who invested a lot into vivi/yelena young teams. its still a good team and will be for a while probably.
I really think you're under rating Perrine and summer glacey. Perrine is amazing in water and water strike. Glacey is the best tank in the game. Glacy carry water/ice, red mage and even with a2. I think shes better then raph, and raph is the one unit i max reincanated I think halloween lucio should be 100
IMO Summer Glacie should be at cost 100. Serves A2-Howlet very well as she protects them from fire teams. Her mono water team with Faris-Young Oelde is the beefiest ever and can even beat lightning teams(strike). 2P hands down my new favorite. She's like a wildcard for the unprepared because she can dodge even without heavily investing your VC set into evasion. Gets killed in instant by magic tho.
Don't get me wrong, I love Summer Glacie... but her damage output hasn't been enough (at least for me) to get my SGlacie, A2, HHowlet team across the finish line if I run into any modern/meta Fire teams. I'm not saying this to discount your experiences... only to ask: how have you structured your team to make it work? She certainly makes the team sing, and is great for making Fire teams look elsewhere in Guild wars (if you leave her as the visible character)... but I was thinking about switching to "Ice Tank" Oldoa when she comes out. If you have some way to handle Fire with SGlacie, though, I may consider holding off the switch.
Been ages since I last played, and this tier list makes it obvious. The units that were meta when I played have plummeted. Remember when LL the Bold, Joker, and Dark Fina was the meta? Remember when Ice teams just obliterated everyone? Man. This game used to be so much easier to plan out, considering you basically just built mono teams. Rankings it hurts my heart to see so low: LL the Bold Resnick Cloud (RIP, he used to be the BEST unit in the game) All the warriors of the crystal Psarro (Fire Evade used to slap) Joker Violet (Light evade what happened?) Celes Eliza (Ice meta has been melted) Ultimately, you can still just play with the units you like. Getting caught up in meta is how you start spending money, and there's always someone who can spend more than you! Never forget that.
Since 2024 i leave my emulator bluestack5, not bcos i use other emulator... But just bcos now super easy just play on Phone. Well that multi player farm now is rarely for now, basicly can farm with just normal quest.
I doubt anyone will agree with this, but if you have pumpkin spice fredrika set up really well, she can pull off some surprising things. There have been times where I thought I was going to lose because my other two units were killed and the other team was still alive, and i stopped watching. I turned around to see she had defeated lightning astrius bridal alaya, and some other lightning character.
I agree with your 110 cost, thats four is real pain, hlucio is my main... Until i regret i cant reincarnate him bcos i lack shard hollowen, and it will be not effisien if i must give him all universal shard. But i not agree u not put Vivi on 100 cost. Yes he can died by helena... But vivi support is real deal... He can give haste (always come to me), his LB super, and have guaranted hit right. So he must below Yhelena... Just bcos vivi is the best dark unit right now. Meanwhile for new lucio... Well im afraid to him just bcos his VC... That VC can slash penet my loberon resist slash.
New list hype... Also, ff13 rerun hype too. Shame Fang was made lightning in JP. Wind would have been better, since she was originally shown as wind and she still synergies well with wind units.
I love final fantasy and I love gacha. The only thing I hate about gachas like wotv and ffbe is that they release new units like in a weekly basis, of course that is their way of making money. But it is just not my thing, coz most likely, the older units will be forgotten and they are forced to release units that are stronger to sell them which results to powercreep. Instead of balancing units is they will just release the same character on a diff unit/version. I play a gacha that I love that is not like that, and promotes balancing even for older units that is why I am still playing it after 10 years. Still I enjoy watching ur content and other wotv/ffbe concent creators and hope for the best for y'all
Move Rain and Medina to 70. Medina is LB and die. I have never seen Rain as good. He doesn't do great damage(because he's hybrid damage), and his tanking is sub-par. A few changes he could be great. Halloween Lucio...with evade and agi trust stones...1 vs. 3 Guild battles. He has only been reincarnated 1 time. I am only lacking mindshperes to push him all the way.
regular Macherie's upgrades are actually great, her main job revisions, her limit break upgrade, her damage and buffs. The fact she is in the mace group is pretty good to, if you use light a lot I would definately look into using Macherie for cost limited and PVE. Though neither her nor yuna are really any good at all in arena or manual pvp
I pair her with rinoa and Bradley. She’s evade but tanky with unit resistance buff, physical shield, and rinoa haste/AOE buff. Her jumping ahead is an advantage to keep up with hasted/CT upBradley courtesy of Rinoa. Synergy!
I definitely would move around many characters, but I think overall you did a good job on the list considering how many characters there are and how the meta shifts depending on where you are in the rankings. Here are the biggest standouts for me: Summer Glacy up to 100. She got a huge boost in relevance with A2's release, and specifically the team of A2, S. Glacy, and Faris is very strong. Her kit has all of the important asks for a good tank, and her meta position is strong currently. Piggy-backing off of Glacy, Faris is quite relevant right now. Her sustainability and the sheer options that ice and water have with team building right now makes her very strong. She just isn't the most popular pick (probably not a ton of people got her), and thus is rarely properly prepared for. I'd put her into 100. Vivi deserves to be in 100 at least if not 110. His kit is stacked, and Helena wouldn't be as good as she is without him. It's true that she's probably better overall and boosts Vivi too, but her dominance is not hers alone. Wedding Jayden is absolute dog water and I was so embarrassed to be an ice main when he dropped, especially since he came out so close to Wedding Alaya who is so obviously orders of magnitude better. I would drop Jayden all the way to 70 cost tier myself. He's just missing every important skill for a damage dealer to have in 2024, plus he lacks survivability. Damage is all that he brings, and that's not enough. Most of my other disagreements are regarding moving many characters down at least 1 tier. However, as I said before I think this list is good overall, and does a solid job of representing the higher end PVP meta.
Affinity and Resonance are automatically maxed out now for all units, even new ones that you pull. We don't have to grind for those stats ever again thankfully!
Sol is not worse than Shalze. If anything, Shalze should drop to 90, in my humble opinion. We will have to agree to disagree on a couple of things, but I appreciate all the effort you put into this!
I highly suggest Rosa should be bumped up to the 70 cost tear. I regularly use her to get to top 50 Arena. Heck I'm there now if you search me (Dei). She's extremely underrated for chasing wind meta. I devour wind teams with her. Two uses of full life!? At almost instant cast?! She's so clutch with the support.
Also saw your vid on tokens and espers I've been playing for 10 days so I haven't been able to lvl them till next month I was thinking about trying to do the water select quest and make a 2ndvteam for relequies
@@ultimagamer3976 I meant the cost of your individual unit went up with each master and dream ability you choose in game... Raph/Vivi/Helena has been good for me but yeah she's not invincible but there really isn't another dark unit that's replacement level for her imho
@@SpoonHurler At this point Im not even sure I would run Raph anymore, someone who could buff like Lemure and just haste vivi and helena is something that gives me way more trouble then Raph trying to tank, I just think there are better units to run with Vivi helena
I love this list. Raph Sephiroth and Dark Fina have put in work for me with no effort. I decided to build my ice team and A2 is definitely worth it. Her being an Android has a ton of benefits in pvp. Have to slow build ice Howlett to pair her with. But I have Raegan, Alaya, Gifford, and Eliza that’s up there. Kinda miss Lasswell being up there in the meta.
@@AuronnjJayy I doubt he will be there for any longer. Halloween Lucio struggles a lot with the new dario and his wind or black mage team because of either elemental disadvantage or sure hit skills.
If Shaz and Sol are in 100, then Summer Glacie and Faris should be there as well. Summer glacie should be in 100 with her being an overall great tank. On top of that, her and faris share almost every good VC and they are hard to kill when together.
Summer Glacie may not seem like the monster 100 tank that she is if you have and run Bridal Alaya because B.Alaya checks her hard. Try fighting her without Alaya and Erudite Astrius. You'll probably lose even with a mean lightning comp. She just won't let anyone through. She walls whole teams on her own. I think she might be the best tank in the game (still) right now, above Raph and new Dario. My perspective comes from frequenting arena. You almost don't see water teams without her ever.
Will disagree on Queen. I have seen some functional use out of Queen in pvp in the past year as a compliment to Strike teams. She absolutely struggles with her lack of access to cast time reduction and so she is not good, but her tools and flexibility especially within a Strike team put her more useful than P2.
New Kitone seems more 90 cost to me imho just because my YH/Raph/Seph team defeats her every time in auto pvp even if we don’t defeat the other 2 units. Interesting list! Wish they would give LLB a boost love playing that unit
@@AuronnjJayy Mediena literally does nothing, atleast Ranan has survivability and good group buffs, and after his latest round of updates still does good damage
Lucio's access to pierce keeps him 110. he 1 shots every damn team i can run. Pierce weakness is common among most usable units now that otherwise could hit him.
The amount of disrespect that continues to be heaped onto my man Hyoh (and fire in general) is baffling to me. If content creators don't have experience with those units then just say that. A unit doesn't need 5 different auras and buffs along with removal of every single meaningful enemy buff to be effective. All the bells and whistles are nice but ultimately just options, and the end of the day, Hyoh is first and foremost a DPS, and he fills his role at least AS effectively, if not outright better than a majority of the units that I see commonly ranked above him.
I didn't rank Hyoh low. I just think he represents what a UR should be so I stuck him in that tier. I like him just fine as a unit in the game but maybe he hurts from being in fire?