Characters who have beaten Dr. Doom... Spider-Man Iron Man Captain America Squirrel Girl Black Panther Luke Cage Deadpool Hank Pym Thor Sue Storm Taskmaster Scarlet Witch Guardians of the Galaxy Silver Surfer Scott Lang Wiccan X-23 Reed Richards Wonder Man Johnny Storm Dr. Strange Sentry Hulk And Many More... Discord - discord.gg/atyzDTceyx
Spider-Man Daredevil Iron Fist The Punisher Can these New Yorker heroes deal with 2003's TMNT Ultron Shredder and his crime empire (Foot Clan, Hun, Purple Dragons, Stockman ect)
I would say he is the smartest man alive but he presume to much of other people, he can’t expect the unexpected unless the unexpected is him (tl;dr he is the smarted but is blinded by pride)
Ever since that night the children never knew of Santa for they only knew of DOOM! That’s right, tiny tim did’t get his toy choo choo from Santa no! He got it from the jolly Dr Doom atop his glorious sleigh. Honestly it is such a Dr Doom thing to make himself the Santa of Latvaria and he is the type of person to actually commit to the part and bring joy to the children!
Shame it's Marvel Santa and not DC Santa. DC Santa fucking invades Darkseid's world and beats his entire army all for the sole purpose of giving Darkseid a single lump of coal. Every year. Without fail.
@@rougarabid it’s kinda like he knows a lot but by golly his temper gets in the way he just fucks himself over. Like he knew that reed richards “black hole garbage dump” space station was gonna mess up, but when he flew in to stop it, he changes all of his analytics just cause reed told him that “you were right, good luck”
@@rougarabid I think it’s a fun way to nerf him, no bullshit reason as why his abilities don’t work, no deus ex machina (most of the time, this is comics after all) He’s just so high on his own greatness that most the time he can’t possibly think he could lose, it leads to a lot of amusing characterizations, like how his countries culture literally revolves around him, as it’s ruler, he makes every single aspect of the country all about him, any songs that come into his country are altered to praise him, he runs massive propaganda campaigns to make him the god emperor, whether he is at the moment or not. His ego is the most consistent thing about his character is what endears him to people so much
@rougarabid It is dumb but it's part of his mythology. He losses so much because he always underestimates his opponents and that arrogance is his blind spot. Is he good at prep? Yeah but like I said, his arrogance always beats him. Doom basically defeats himself unlike Batman who usually approaches preparation without ego involved.
He actually did manage to free his mothers soul from hell. By getting Dr. Strange to help him and manipulating Mephisto and his mom. By having her reject the price Doom was willing to pay and choosing to let her sons soul free, she proved herself worthy of Heaven. It was a clever plan, but Doom couldn't do it alone, he had to have Strange help him and rely heavily on his mother rejecting the offer.
@@rougarabidI know and I agree. Just wanted to clarify that he did manage to free his mother. Also, just a heads up, you made an error on the Ozai section. The thing that empowers firebenders like that was Sozins comet. The eclipse was the thing that made them unable to firebend at all. Not saying you're wrong about how the fire nation will do, just wanted to let you know of this error.
@@rougarabid yeah but he was smart enough to make that plan so it's sortve ill willed for you to be like, "yeah doom sucks ass and is stupid.". Like I agree with nearly all the points but damn you showed heavy bias.
What makes Dr. Doom as powerful as he is isn't that he's S rank in anything... but that he's an A rank in basically *EVERYTHING*. In anything he can do there's always someone better, but very, very few can match his range of knowledge. To give a very rough analogy, he has most of the magical knowledge of Dr. Strange, AND most of the scientific/engineering knowledge of Tony Stark. Either of them can damn near run circles around him in their field, but it's the fact that he has both and often finds ways of using one to enhance the other that makes him as good as he is. But, BUT! It *IS* worth noting that he's just As in everything. He's got his limits. Edit: LOL, aaand like 30 seconds past the point I wrote this you use pretty much the same argument XD What I get for writing comments so early into a video.
Well, he is an S+ rank in magic and science. He’s a contender for the sorcerer supreme and a strangers S+++ Dr. doom is at least S++. He’s almost almost as smart as Reed Richards and again, if Reed is S+++ Doom is minimum S++. He doesn’t have to be the absolute best, but at least among the best.
In fact come to think of it that's probably WHY prep time is such a big factor for him since he has so many options he needs time to mentally sort through them to come up with the best course of action.
The problem with comics is there are so many different writers that work on these characters. So writers make characters more or less powerful than they actually are. That said, doom is more often than not one of the strongest characters in marvel and does have a genus intellect. I do agree fans tend to wank these characters, often combining multiple versions of a character or taking a one off instance as that characters norm. Power scaling gets a bit wonky too at times. In my opinion you go by what a character is capable of on average and that’s it.
@@Shaolinstout That doesnt matter, what ever happens in the main cannon should take into consideration. Power scaling could as long as that source dont contradict with the main cannon. You people always assume they always use different version of that said characters because you dont k now which is canon and which its not
@@frozezone2947 Buddy inconsistency occurs in main continuity across all media. That’s what happens when you have multiple writers for the same character. This is especially true with comics. Also don’t act like power scalars don’t cherry pick when power scaling a character. Almost every major one on RU-vid is guilty of it. My point stands.
To be fair when Ant-Man goes giant mode it was always kind of weird, sometimes you see him with enhanced strength. Particles don't increase mass, it just makes them bigger. But then you see him do stuff that a normal human shouldn't do, like in the movies he punches one of those floaty things in the game and it actually moves from the punch. Then in the comics you see him lift up normal people with one hand as a giant, characters like hulk. It doesn't matter how big you are, if you have the same mass as a normal human and you're a giant, you should be breaking like glass because of these things.
As a One Piece Watcher, i dislike the Kaido argument not because of the scaling, but because of the "they have to walk to Latveria" argument. Kaido was mentally floating a small island with his entire military on it while fighting multiple people. He could probably just float a bunch of ships over to latveria with relative ease.
On top of this, Haki in one piece has SOME resistance to Transmogging, as shown when Doc Q turned The Heart Pirates into women with his fruit, and One character with strong enough haki could completely reverse the effects of the fruit.
He flew the island of onigashima over land for an entire night while drunk and fighting luffy. that island is massivly larger then pirate ships. He can easily do it but also i dont imagine he grunts would even get bothered by a hike. @@rougarabid
@onyxgrnr666 this is true, but devil fruits are weird as fuck anyway. No clue how Doc Q got a "Virus that turns you into a woman" through several feet of water and into a sealed submarine anyway. Devil Fruits would be the closest thing to magic One Piece has.
Ultimate nullifer. He supposedly has it now in comics sense he went to clear his name. Now no one risks messing with him. He could use that to beat Aku
The kitty pride thing, I wouldn't count that, because that doesn't make sense. I can only assume that they forgot that bit about how the pim partials worked. After all, she is just normal human levels outside of her power and a lot of skill, so by that logic, a handgun should be able to kill Galactus. Thus, you sort of have to discount that less it just ruins everything.
I liked the video. I do have to say though, Doom would be gone the moment he realized he needs more time to come up with countermeasures. The invaders would come across who they initially think is Doom but it'll just be one of his better Doom Bots, while Doom is off world working on ways to win.
@@rougarabiduntil Doom does his time whimey magic nonsense and comes back to the fight before it started…so Latvwria survives because Doom abandoned it to destruction.😂 This is why Dr Doom so much. He just so ridiculous as a threat that he can really only be beaten by himself. Aku invades, Doom gets the hell out dodge, goes back to King Arthur time, bangs his girlfriend Morgan LaFey (he’s done this several times before), she tells him everything about magic swords…Doom then goes forward in time, hijacks his buddy Dr. Strange for a magical roadtrip cross time space…then either off panel in the next issue over the course of a dozen issues in a spinoff even mini-series, Doom and Strange return with Excelsior right when Aku’s invasion or they invade his dimension before he invade theirs😂
According to the Marvel Wiki (which cites it as Thor #388), Thor once cracked the armor of a Celestial with one blow, and the resulting shockwave nearly destroyed the planet Pangoria - had Thor not stopped it. The page goes on to say that Thor has also destroyed stars, planets, and moons with his fists, citing these feats as being from Omega Flight #4 Love your content!
in the story with gorr the god butcher, it was also said by thor that a giant god that wrestled black holes for fun had beaten him in contests before so that seems pretty accurate. Thor has also fought multiple beyonders at once along side hyperion.
@@darnellfelix8114 See, that 'fighting multiple Beyonders alongside Hyperion' feat, isn't what you're thinking it is. That was Ultimate Thor, who's *weaker* than Main-Continuity Thor.
Reacting to your question as to where people are getting the crazier upper level scalars, especially for characters like Odin and cosmic types... a lot of the earlier writers in the Silver Age did not give the tiniest fraction of a crap about scale, so Odin was blowing up entire galaxies on the regular, sometimes as a *side effect* of him fighting someone else. Like, he was fighting this one schmuck who was head of 'the Enchanters' (Thor #143-145) by holding onto a rod and both of them forcing their power through it. And that was it. But for whatever reason, while they were doing this, they went zooming off into space and galaxies were popping off like fireworks while they passed (amusingly, I'm pretty sure the narration specified them as 'dead galaxies'). Like, they were just flying past and the entire galaxy detonated. So that's gonna highball some of Odin's feats a little. And I remember an early Dr. Strange story where he was... I think he was fighting sentient evil stars?.. something like that, anyways, over the course of that, regular, un-boosted Dr. Strange blew up a star just by ping-ponging around inside it in his astral form. Some of the Silver Age feats were absolutely frigging insane, and they're... kinda-sorta-technically canon still?
it doesn't matter how you scale comics, because all characters will always be whatever the author wants for their story, trying to scale comics is a losing battle.
In the eternal words of Stan Lee, “Who wins the fight? Whoever the writer wants to win the fight!” It’s honestly crazy to me how much we’ve overcomplicated this
Minor correction, Azula’s fire has nothing to do with heat. Her flames are not hotter or anything like that. It is purely aesthetic, it was stated by the creators as well
Never seen the creators say this. If you have a link it would be appreciated. Either way though it goes against well…science. Blue fire is hotter than yellow fire. It’s shouldn’t be possible for her fire to be the same temperature. I’m not saying you’re wrong but it’s fuckin weird if you’re right.
@@rougarabid yeah it’s kind of the curtains are blue situation, sometimes our knowledge of things causes us to overthink because its creator never thought that far
@@rougarabid so some years back some years back nickelodeon did a marathon with ATLA, but it was the commentary edition where when scenes pop up a bubble pops up with little information. If I’m not mistaken it pops up for the final Agni Kai, because that’s why they made hers blue. They wanted you to be able to know who was who during that fight.
@@rougarabid also the fact no one in the show talks about her fire being different, or that they are “hotter” then other benders, like Ozai and Iroh who are the 1 & 2 of fire bending. Or the fact that during Sozin’s Comet where everyone’s fire bending got boosted, no one else’s fire turned blue.
Devil fruits are very clearly stated to change the DNA of the user, making them one with the fruit they ate. Especially in Kaido’s case with being a mythical zoan fruit user. Also haki has transformed users back to their normal forms after being forced into another form because strong enough conquerors haki can negate abilities being used against the user.
Aku has driven away by various things like the elementals in that one heist episode, so it's possible to screw with him with enough just plain ole raw force, you just can't kill him. How exactly that works isn't super clear but it is a thing. Though I do think it might be possible to try to seal him? We haven't seen how that sort of hax interacts with him but it something magic does a lot in Marvel.
I say this for the Aku section: Doctor Doom has a Time Machine he can use to go back in time when Aku appears. Aku shows up one day, Doom scans him, uses his device to go back and tell his former self what Aku is made of and he will slowly figure out some way to beat him. I know he might not realize Aku's weakness in that time frame, but he could possibly develop a spell that could turn a weapon of his own into something like Jack's sword.
@@randomgaming-br8nj if were going by dooms feats, and marvels cosmology, doom would have some trouble with aku but he shouldnt loose. Aku is affected by magic and tech to an extent. Its stated that the giant samurai robot had magic and was able to harm aku before being destroyed. On the other hand doom has beefed with galactus who is much stronger than skyfathers and drained galactus power despite galactus being a conceptual entity. Doom has also made forcefields that withstood the mad celestials. those same mad celestials killed galactus and only stopped when adult franklin richards came. Celestials also scale much higher than skyfathers as they were the ones who stopped all of the pantheons that were interacting with humanity from doing so.
@@randomgaming-br8nj I’m saying that he could go back to the when Aku wasn’t an issue and just plan ahead. Plus Aku is never really shown using time travel like that. Like, he only used is time portal against Jack when he was about to lose. Until then, it was an actual fight. Plus, it’s not like Aku can sense when other people time travel or have crazy time powers. And I only said it was one of Doom's many options for defeating him. And no, I'm not okay
@@lukeyoung-p2y I'm saying Aku has existed since the beginnings of the universe and in the situation where Aku would encounter doom and doom may decide to go back to any point in time one which Aku didn't exist included he can follow him
Fun fact: In the old Samurai Jack comics, it was shown that Aku is immune to Divine power, the only thing that affects him is a counterforce, the power of good, and Jack's soul is so pure that the gods turned him into a weapon to kill Aku.
The funny thing about Kaido attacking Doom is that if he can analyze him and learn with his magic/tech that means Doom would probably unlock haki, and with his really strong will means he'd likely have Conqueror's.
@@Magiknewjeans There is too much evidence, perhaps the best example is that if "Powerscaling" worked, the base Spiderman (without symbiote or armor) would be planetary level and we all know that a well-placed bullet can kill him.
@@rougarabid It's not holy, but it basically is by virtue of being anti-evil and needing to be a pure-hearted, good person in order to wield it. Like, Aku gets a hold of the sword at one point and stabs Jack with it, and the sword just, doesn't do anything to Jack.
Just have to say Ozai was not during the eclipse otherwise the firebenders would have no abilities it's during sozin's comet which enhances the natural firebending ability to the point that it becomes much more powerful like having two suns instead of one
Do part 2 with Xehanort he would summon an army of heartless to destroy Latveria and even Xehanort himself can take on many doom bots he can freeze them with stopza and blitz them
Aku had origins, and he's not a Demon. Primordia mass of darkness and evil flew through space (looked like avalanche of darkness) but the gods tried to kill it. Part of it survived and landed on the earth. Eventually (wasn't said how long it took it) it reformed into Aku. Now we don't know if it was Aku all along or if he's just part of it and therefore has only part of its power, but yeah, people are often not aware what he really is and scale him much lower than he actually is.
So the reason Doom is scaled so high is because of real World physics being applied to comic books feats; Doom scales to the Thing who scales to Grey Hulk who destroyed a giant meteor which is calculated at Planetary levels of destructive force in real world physics, so while they may not be able to destroy planets in Marvel if you apply this to the real world it of course breaks it thus why they scale so high. Physics are used as a basis of consistency in some communities as it’s obvious destroying a planet in one universe is no where near as easy or difficult as it is in another universe thus an attempted baseline with the Real World. You can agree or disagree with this method but it’s just to explain why exactly these characters can be scaled so ridiculously high despite struggling to break down doors sometimes + writers not realizing how powerful certain feats would actually be (Ex. MCU Thor moving the Rings of Nidlvilir) so it leads to these fun inconsistencies in power levels for internet nerds to participate in Bloodsports about until the end of time.
I think it's a bit unfair to assume that doom would just make an assumption like that, and short of his pride or attachment to his country getting in the way (fairly likely), he'd try to escape or buy time to figure him out, maybe get other people involved if he doesn't learn about the power stealing first.
I appreciate you trying to take care of your own sanity and conditioning your audience to expect more variety in your content is a good idea in my opinion even if it isn't a recipe for shooting to the top of the algorithm.
It's hard to pin down how strong or powerful a character is in comics. For every instance someone chooses can be counter by another writer, another story, plot armor for that story, and era the story took place in. Any character is whatever the writer needs them to be to tell whatever story (good or bad) to push the plot narrative. Older Dr. Doom is definitely as you describe. The current Dr. Doom, stories, plot armor, and narratives would have Dr. Doom far superior. It's all subjective, and one of the major problems with comic books. Little to no consistency, like Squirrel Girl defeating Galactus, or some other ridiculous story and plot.
Squirrel Girl isn’t inconsistent. She’s a joke character. Her whole purpose is to be unbeatable. While sometimes characters go off track most of the time there’s an in story explanation for why characters can do the things they do.
The thing that gets me is that you can say well drum isn't that powerful because he was defeated by The Punisher or Spider-Man but the Punisher has defeated Spider-Man and The Punisher and even the entirety of the Marvel Universe multiple times. In multiple universes Doctor Doom has completely taken over earth. So I don't understand the argument of well he's been defeated by multiple characters that are supposedly weaker than him. Yeah that's called Riders being dumb and using his character to up a character that they want to elevate. But you can't just focus on that and then just ignore the multiple universes where Doctor Doom has completely destroyed everything. Every single hero. In the entirety of the Marvel Universe multiple times
@PaisiosOfGOAOA The Punisher only killed the heroes and villains of Earth, nothing interplanetary or higher leveled. Also, that argument is invalid because Deadpool also "killed the Marvel Universe" purely to show how silly the concept is and to introduce a more villainous version of Deadpool for him to fight. If anything Dr. Doom being able to wipe out the universe, intentionally or not, weakens the universe, and doesn't directly make his scaling any better. Just makes him slightly smarter and way more villainous
Now that I think about it, Doom literally has nothing that could handle Aku unless Aku is weak to reality warping or something. Also, wouldn’t have Big Mom been a better choice from One Piece? I don’t mind that Kaido was picked and discussed, but Big Mom does seem more the conqueror type with how she runs her nation and probably would want Doom and his tech for herself.
Dr. Doom has the Ultimate Nullifier, which literally cuts the target shot with it out of existence. And not just the guy you shot, but *every* version of that guy across all of existence.
I'm not sure if you've taken into account that most of the time dr.doom doesn't actually fight he uses a doom bot a majority of the time and when he does go himself to fight he usually does win
Pym particles, actually do make you stronger, relative to how much bigger you get. If you get as big as a planet, you will have planet level strength. Still shouldn't be enough to beat Galactus. (Pym particles are pretty OP)
@@rougarabidstill, you said “pym particles don’t give you any enhancement, they just make you tall”. If they don’t give you any enhancements and only made you tall, your muscles would explode from the added strain of your skeleton. Even if it was relative, you’re still getting enhanced lol.
Could darth sidious Conquer and survive Mortal combat Fun question do you think sidious Would make a great cross over villain for Mortal combat I can think of a few villains of mortal combat That would serve him
Brah, welding exists. Just because firebenders have never melted metal doesn't mean that they can't. Not that they'll win against Latveria anyway. And Jack's sword is holy, as it was forged by literal gods, lol. Maybe some crucifixes or any holy religious items could harm Aku. Dr. Doom could get creative about defeating him, assuming that he would know about Aku and his attack beforehand.
That’s exactly what it means. If they aren’t shown being able to do it they can’t. This argument is weird. Might as well argue Toph can destroy the planet cause it’s a big rock. Being made by gods doesn’t mean holy. If that’s the case most of Kratos’ weapons would deal holy damage. They don’t. Holy damage is a very specific thing in Fiction and Jack’s sword is referred to as magic, never holy.
@rougarabid Fire can melt metal in real life. Just because it wasn't shown in the cartoon, that doesn't mean they couldn't do that. It's very plausible, unlike toph destroying the whole planet. And Jack's sword was never stated to be "holy." It was made with the magical property to fight evil by gods themselves. So, some of Kratos' weapons could theoretically harm Aku. Dr Doom could theoretically bring powerful items/weapons from Doctor Strange to combat cosmic evil entities like Aku.
i would agree with you about the one piece thing but a prime whitebeard could destroy the planet he can shift tectonic plates across the whole ocean boosted with haki but we never got to see him in his prime
On the subject of Aku. I think if Doom had time to analyze what he was up against he could actually win, but if Aku blitzed Latveria, he could also easily win. In the two-parter prequel episodes of Samurai Jack which focus on Jack's father's fight against Aku, early on it's made clear that Aku in a much more powerful, cosmic state of being, albeit more mindless, was not only able to be harmed, but completely eradicated by Odin, Ra and Vishnu I believe it was, save for the piece that made it's way to Earth because they didn't notice. Doom has stolen and learned Asgardian Magic and capabilities before, Odin very specifically fought with Gungnir against Aku, so if Doom had time to prepare and understood that Aku would be vulnerable to Asgardian Magic, he would likely use some Asgardian weapons or magic he had at his disposal, if what he had wasn't enough, he is certainly the type who would attempt to acquire what he needs, likely trying to manipulate Thor or simply concocting a scheme to raid Asgard itself to take Gungnir, Doom is far too prideful to simply ask for assistance unless his back is against the wall with no other options. Keeping Thor and Asgard out the equation with exception to what Doom has on hand, Doom may be forced to flee Latveria and prepare a long term war of vengeance against Aku, however this is assuming Aku doesn't just blitz through the forcefield or bypass it altogether with a portal or something. While Aku has an army, he only really uses that army to project power across the planet since he can't be everywhere at once, but he is more than capable of just, showing up to Latveria, smashing open or bypassing the shield and literally nothing Doom's conventional forces, the mechs, the doombots, the tanks, the aircraft, all of that will just be entertainment for Aku. If Aku is particularly overconfident however, he may underestimate Doom, choosing instead to make an example of Doom rather than just simply destroy him, as he's done several times before in the past, which depending on how it's done, can backfire against him, such as with Jack's Father. There are also other magics and elemental powers shown to have been able to harm Aku, such as the Guardians which were entrusted to defend the Jewel that controlled all the water of the Earth, they were made of some elemental powers and not from the Asgardian pantheon as far as I know, which means that powerful elemental magic at least can also be effective against Aku, even if it couldn't destroy him, it could most certainly repel him or even contain him. However it's a fight I could see going either way. Another thing to note is that Aku is highly intelligent, while not flawlessly so, it would be a trifle matter for Aku to outsmart Doom, in this fight, every second counts and most likely Latveria will fall, whether or not Doom wins depends entirely on whether or not Aku decides to take his time to probe Doom's defenses with his robot army or just blitz in and do things himself, the former of which gives Doom more time to consider a defense or even escape to fight another day.
Dr Doom: Win: Ozai Win: Kaido Loses: Aku (But Escapes) Loses Bad: kazuya (barely escapes) People forgets he is smart enough to escape in creative ways. He survived an attack from an universal being and became a god to fight against reality benders before fighting the big boss.
3:16 I think another of Dom's more dangerous aspects, is he has a mastery of both magic and science. Not the best in either field, that would be the Sorcerer Supreme and Scientist Supreme but Dr Doom's talents in both make him a formidable foe.
If he can figure them out that well, then he would probably figure out the Devil Fruit water weakness. That said, at least with devil fruit abilities, it is shown that Haki/will can overpower transformations and similar effects.
Idk about the exhaustion thing when it come to kaido and his army making it to latveria, kaido literally used his power to fly an entire island while in a life and death fight so I'm sure he can fly his crew to latveria. Aside from that I have nothing to say about that bit, it was pretty good
There was a handful episode ova where some dragonball z characters, some onepiece characters and some other anime were on an island for some kind of cooking/fighting competition. re -24 mins in.
Doom being plot-man'd is accurate and should absolutely be dealt with. So lame. EDIT: Regarding the Pym Particles, how did Goliath and Giant-Man be explained for their super-strength? Did they retcon comics saying, "Doc Pym did some tests, and right now I can give Thor a run for his money!" Said by Hawkeye as Goliath in the 60s, I think.
there so many exemple of inconcistancy with comics charactere like Marvels Dracula who have by the past he briefly fight silver surfer, had fight the combine of colossus, Wolverine and nightcrawler, have fight spider-man + doctor strange, have bite Wong and trick Strange (also one time he has turned spider-man onto a vampire) but as also lose against deadpool blood who can poison him and has lost agains Blade alone many time (and got one shot once)
Agree for the most part. I know very little about Tekken, so I'll take your word for that one. For the obligatory video suggestion: Do these characters survive Borderlands? Richard B. Riddick from the Chronicles of Riddick Destro from GI Joe Rexplode from Invincible Jill Valentine from Resident Evil
If Pym particles don't give enhancements then why do giant characters who are giant because of them able to punch and destroy things they can't do as their normal selves?
That’s not more than they can do. Antman when he’s human sized can punch through brick walls with ease so it would make sense at that size he should punch through buildings. When I said he gets no strength enhancements I didn’t mean he’s equivalent strength as he would be as a normal guy. I mean his strength doesn’t increase relative to his size. Glad you enjoyed it.
When you actually think about it, a lot of characters in marvel are not that strong, especially when a new big bad shows up for an event like: King in black, infinity gaunlet, secret wars etc. And yet they defeat this enemy, because they just pick some ancient artifact (infinity gaunlet, ultimate nullifier) and give it so someone so he would get amped ( God of light Venom, infinity gaunlet Adam Warlock, ultimate nullifier Reed Richard) and he wins. So basically Dr Doom and other characters will most likely lose at first, but then they will get amped and win.
according to the video Ozai (Fire Nation): likely wiped out before they even get in Kaido (Beast Pirates): put up a great fight but eventually fall to Dr. Doom Aku: might win if Doom is prepared, definite win if not Kazuya (G-Corporation): Latveria? do you mean that large dirt area?
He did but it wasn’t in the way people claim. It required help from Strange, a ton of prep and even then didn’t save her simply got her to heaven. He couldn’t get her out and couldn’t defeat Mephisto.
Doombots. Some powerful enough, smart enough, to fool heroes... hell, a lot of the time. And Doom's got lots. Like, a whole effing lot. He doesn't need an army, tanks, wall, etc. He's got Doombots.
I agree with everything you said.Except for pin particles, because when an object gets bigger, it gets more mass, but by your logic, the hero Goliath, or even giant man should be as strong as a normal person when they're 30 feet tall, which makes no sense. They do get stronger when they're bigger, if they didn't, they wouldn't really be that useful of heroes. They wouldn't even be able to lift building chunks.
That’s not what I said. I said it gives no additional strength enhancements. Obviously they are stronger relative to size. Wouldn’t even be able to stand if that weren’t the case.
Marvel has some broken characters like Sentry, Silver Surfer, Franklin Richard, Molecule Man, Beyonder and such. However most of their characters are not epic one shoting world characters.
To me, prime whitebeard is planet surface level at best. Unless you tell me he can shift tectonic plates into the planets core and destabilize it. Or just shake the core itself. He isn't planetary.
Tekken nerd here: Those Jacks Heihachi and Kazuya threw around were Jack 4s. The one that destroyed the meteor was a Jack 6... the ones Heihachi and Akuma threw around in Tekken 7. Kazuya beat both Heihachi and Akuma's super forms, one after the other.
1. If you can fight someone or put up a good fight against someone who can destroy planets, then It would be logical to come to the conclusion that if put under the same circumstances, that character would be able to do the same thing or perform in a similar fashion. That's is why we scale those characters to planetary when they haven't destroyed a planet. Hulk and Thor have both destroyed planets, so anybody who can damage them or take attacks from them scales to that and you literally can't argue against that. 2. Comic book writers aren't consistent and don't believe the same things about comic book characters so their feats are going to be everywhere. That is why we powerscale so that we can see where that character is in strength on average for the plot. Powerscale is an essential part of storytelling because if not used, it just creates a terrible story.
Neither Hulk or Thor has destroyed planets without amps and your logic is flawed. If Geralt of Rivia kills a dragon that destroyed a city with a single attack it does not make Geralt equal to the Dragon. Stories throughout fiction are about heroes overcoming insurmountable odds and overcoming them. No it doesn’t mean Geralt’s sword swings should be equal to the dragon. Scalers don’t use common sense and have no story comprehension skills.
@@rougarabid you might not understand that power can be condensed into a smaller area of mass. Thor has destroyed planets by hitting them with his hammer on several occasions, and hulk has destroyed meteors bigger than earth just by jumping into the air. I don't disagree with the fact that it's about people overcoming circumstances, power scaling is just the explanation of what they were overcoming to better put into perspective of how great of a challenge it was. Along with that, power scale is necessary for stories to show the growth of a character because you can't say something is a great feat if you have nothing to compare it to.
@@rougarabid most people hate scalers because they struggle to comprehend what they are talking about and some scalers just use the wrong math to do so which makes them look foolish. We use the context of the story along with philosophy, science, and math to explain it better. Just like the separation of religion and science
Fun fact about world breaker hulk, While they didn't actually fight it's been implied that Ghost Rider could defeat him, he chose not to my fight him though because according to Ghost Rider he protects the innocent and nobody Hulk was going after was innocent
Not really. Doctor Strange believed that ghost Rider could beat Green Scar but this is unlikely. He also thought Sentry could win and he lost while Hulk was holding back. Dr Strange didn’t even know about Worldbreaker form by that point.
He could potentially just drain Akus power with the cosmic syphon (which is built into his armor now days) which could drain begins as strong as The Beyonder Edit: Watching your segment on the Jack bots is that you forget that doom has doom bots which are just as strong and capable of Dr. Doom. Doom took a hit from sentry a character that shits on Kazuya while on low power. Plus doom could just drain Kazuya the same way he did against other heavy cosmic heavy hitter
Well we've seen other weaker Hulk's casually destroy planets like Joe Fixit when he one shot an asteroid twice the size of earth. It shows that the propulsion system he's wearing didn't increase his force or anything it was designed to help guide him back to earth but in the end he didn't need it. There was also the time Savage Hulk fought Dark Crawler in the Dark Universe and his thunder clap destroyed multiple planets surrounding them. Now tbf we do see Dark Crawler launched an attack at Hulk that he then deflected with his thunder clap but that still means that he was capable of destroying those planets with the force of his applause. Obviously we don't exactly know how durable everything in that universe was but the fact Dark Crawler couldn't stop any of Savage Hulk's attacks or prevent his universe from being destroyed in their battle signifies that at that time Hulk was above anything he had faced including the Undying Ones who imprisoned Classic Dr. Strange and Dark Crawler even says to them that he's taking their universe to replace the one he lost in their fight. It's also implied that Hulk wasn't even trying to do that much damage in the first place just simply stop the noise Dark Crawler's attack was making. While not many examples it isn't true to say that Savage Hulk can't destroy a planet when even his weaker incarnations have done so casually in both these instances it's more accurate to say he normally doesn't do that most likely cause he's not trying to destroy the planet in every fight he's in cus well his loved one's would all die if he did that. Bruce Banner has even subconsciously calculated exactly the amount of force necessary for Hulk to unleash even suppressing said force when he leaps or crashes into things which is pretty ridiculous but if the Hulk existed the earth probably wouldn't last too long unless he had some level of control. We do see Hulk go all out from time to time when he's not in a place he has to worry about protecting and when that's the case he's more than capable of destroying just about anything regardless of durability or size and scope like when he was in the cross roads for instance and shook infinite realms when he clashed with Iron Clad or when he dominated Nightmare in his own realm where he's at his strongest. Heck Beyonder even stated that Savage Hulk without Banner suppressing him indeed has Infinite Power that compares even to Beyonder himself.
Not reading all of that but to the Joe Fixit point he had an amp. It’s specifically stated he had equipment that was able to launch him faster and with significantly more force than what he could do on his own in order to break it. It’s also telling that you have to reach back 60 years to find a comic where he does anything close to that.
@@rougarabid So the older stuff is overwritten by the current garbage? The original authors matter less than the objectively worse and likely overly if not insanely left 'modern' failures? That's not good.
For Ozai portion. 1. It's Sozin's comet. Not the Eclipse. Tge Eclipse takes away firebending. 2. Dragon of the West got into Ba Sing Se. These are nitpick as they don't change anything, but I felt I needed to mention it.
I'd put one piece characters around large island to continent level since characters Luffy massively surpasses now could at the very least dish out that kind of power or take it. Like Donquixote Doflamingo who took most of the impact from Luffy's Kong gun that left all of Dressrosa in ruin. Dressrosa has been calculated to be around half the size of Australia and that would be consistent with Don Chinjao who's weaker but literally split the ice continent in half. And not to mention that the attack that took down kaido was bigger than onigashima.
At least you're not saying you need Jack's specific sword to damage aku, if I remember correctly we see aku running away from three gods. Where they scale to is hard for me to say, but Aku what's running away from these three gods. And I have no idea if what they where using is godly powers or magic, but I felt like it'd be important to mention that these three made jacks sword. And each of these gods could indeed harm aku, he wouldn't be avoiding the god's attacks if they didn't. Probabl ways to kill aku; holy weapons, magic (specifically purifying magic), or god powers. Even if those lasts bits isn't necessarily true, that's a lot more fun to think of it that way to actually give characters more of a chance to win.
aku was also physically hurt by the magic samurai robot in the final battle before it was destroyed. though honestly if we go by cosmology, Dr doom beefing with galactus and having the power to halt mad celestials indicates hes leagues stronger as galactus has beaten skyfathers like odin and the celestials were the ones who forced all the pantheons that humans worshipped to minimize interactions on earth. There was even a timeline where DR Doom had a war against all of the celestials and won.
I own it. My point is that he couldn’t do it through force like most people would assume he does. He is in every way outclassed by Mephisto and there’s nothing he can do about it.
