Would POGAČAR Drop VINGEGAARD at the GIRO? 

Where did you get this information from?

@@MarcoVogelsang-rt6di Danish media, he apparently stopped at a cafe in Mallorca and the owner got picture of him. Also Danish sports press confirmed it

Just because he's training in Mallorca doesn't mean he's great. He was always expected to be in Mallorca around this time unless his injuries were even worse than expected. Wout also has participated in altitude camps and now see how he performs in Norway. It still isn't at all certain Jonas will participate in the TdF, let alone be in great shape. Wout's participation in the TdF is also far from certain. Imo based on his performance here in Norway, he'll not want to ride the TdF as domestique for Jonas, either ride it in a free role for stages and more specifically training for Olympics or otherwise just train out of race for the Olympics.

With Jonas and Primoz in the peloton, Nairo would probably never have been in the situation to win the stage anyway. Because Visma or Bora would have paced much harder on the Mortirolo already.... They know what Pogacar's weak point is.... Making every stage hard from start to finish to exhaust him little by little.... Because that's what cracked him in the last two versions of the Tour.

agreed. No way Pogi goes from 14k out while Jonas and Roglic are on his wheel. 🦋👊

@@swissbiggy exactly

@@swissbiggyWouldn’t crack him this season. Let’s be real

Pogi has to convincingly drop Jonas, Remco and Primoz, in order to get the ultimate cred.

😂

Mind status: blown

Is your top spinning?

I'm sittin on the davenport wishing I could afford a Chesterfield 😢

😂🦋👍🛋️🛋️🛋️🛋️🛋️🛋️🛋️🛋️🛋️🛋️🛋️

A 3 week race - finishes on may 26th. 😂

@@kevinw3621 He is adding the time of Giro and the TDF together

You have to use this race as training, but carefully not overtrain. In other words just do the minimum efforts to guarantee the win.

Agreed 👍🦋

@@fernandovega5722 Minimum effort, decades since anyone last won by that kind of margin. Not too bad :-)

👊🙏🦋

Nobody recovers from a neumotorax 100%. The lung affected detaches from the toraxic cavity and a slight defect remains after recovery . Besides that Pojacar is exceeding his power exponentially, he just glides up the mountains. He will win the T of F no doubt.

Tried that last year

I think this year it’ll be pretty even between Pog and Jonas. Roglic will nab third, but I don’t see Remco as the clear fourth best in a 3 week grand tour personally. I know a lot of people will disagree with me. I think Ayuso, Hindley, both Yates honestly, maybe even guys like Rodriguez or TGH could place better than him. Heck, if Landa didn’t suck so much at TTs, Remco wouldn’t even be the best GC on his own team.

@@danielsiapin I think you missed the part of "Tadej should do is follow Jonas EVERYWHERE"

Agreed, great generation of riders that are active right now.

Thanks for the topic. It made for good video and an easy day for me. 😃👊👊🦋🦋🦋

@ChrisHornerCycling Gotta have an easy topic for the rest day 😂👊

To be crowned as new Merckx he will have to win four more Giro's after this one, three more Tour's and a Vuelta, three world championships, eleven more monuments and about five hundred more other races.... Thus he still has a very, very long way to go.... and he will probably never reach those numbers... Let's first see if he can ever reach the numbers of Anquetil, Hinault and a few more.... To even reach those guys, he has still a lot to win. And he will probably not achieve to match those guys ever... Now a days people start to scream that someone is the goat after they have won just a few races.... It is impresive what he does, but it is by far no Merckx or Hinault yet... Next to that it is almost impossible to compare, because riders barely ride races now a days..... Back in the days, riders did compete in 130 races a year, and now you can be happy if Pogacar did have 40 race days in the last season....

👊🦋🔥

If Bora play their cards right Roglic has a chance, albeit a small chance, of winning. They’ll have 3 GC guys all at the same race

It does matter a bit because at the Tour it’s usually significantly hotter and Tadej seems to be better at lower temperatures

@@MR_Droleee I don't think so....this 25 year old dude has 8 jerseys in the TDF already proving he can handle heat......don't forget that he is in far better shape than last year at a month before the TDF with Jonas being far worse than last year.....

@@pauljansen1137 I mean it’s not particularly a secret that Tadej isn’t a big fan of extreme heats and France in July is mostly extremely hot. Not saying that he isn’t in a amazing shape and that he can’t perform in heat, but it makes a difference if it’s the Giro or the Tour because the weather is usually pretty different.

@@MR_Droleee that's true.....we really won't know the answer to the question Chris has been asking till Jonas decides to do a Giro with Tadej as contender....Let's hop that both of them decide to do the Giro next year!!!

Agreed. Let’s hope all are ready to go. 👊👊👊🦋🦋🦋

His first tour he could ride like that because he was underestimated and J-V too overconfident/certain. If Pog just remains in the wheels and is strong enough to just follow, most likely riders would just not ride but rather attack one after another. Like Roglic, Remco and Jonas and then looking at Pog to react (or if he doesn't attack him in turn). Also Pog will likely bring the strongest team to the TdF, so it isn't like he needs to rely on the team of others. It will be interesting to see how he is in the TdF, looking at his values he's at or very close to his peak shape. It isn't easy reaching that a 2nd time to close after the first, not to mention he never even rode 2 GT's before and in the past has struggled with races in the 1-2 months after the TdF.

No. I don’t think Nairo would win. Pogi was under no pressure from behind like he was on stage 1 with Narvaez and it finished with a super steep 4k climb yesterday. If Pogi did have Nairo on his wheel at the summit and I was his DS I would have told Pogi take it easy, no stress, soft pedal the descent because the GC riders are way behind you, then drop Nairo on the final climb. But maybe Nairo could recover a bit, fuel up a bit, and stay a bit longer with Pogi. Maybe 🤔🦋💪👊

I agreed. The Giro was decided form Stage 2. From then, Giro was a battle for 2nd place 😞 How could a Grand Tour be exciting when you already know who is the winner from Day 2?

@@reggaedancer69 We already knew the winner the moment Pogi declared he would enter the race. Sometimes it just works that way in sport, where someone dominates, remember Usain Bolt in the Olympics, pretty much everyone knew he was going to win. We're lucky to have both Pogi and Jonas in this generation of riders be so close in grand tours.

Yet, still most impressed with NQ.

Jonas would turn up but he’d only be 96% fit while Pogi would only be 94% of his max due to the ravages of Giro wear and tear.

Agreed. I have enjoyed every stage of this Giro. 🔥🦋👊👊💪

There are a few reasons of why; I don't know the priority of them or he has more, but what he talked about are (on a danish cycling podcast right before the giro start): - TT's are his specialty and loves doing them, its important as rider that rides for someone else, that there are a possibility to go for yourself/a personal goal. He did talk about it in a very understanding way. In the sense that he could get a no mid race if the race director told him so and ofcourse he would understand. - In Denmark qualifying to the olympics team are also connected to these kinda of TT's its kinda of a soft qualifier, and its a big target for him. So he kinda has too to my knowledge. - Feedback and data is also a part of it I assume. Also Mikkel is almost like their TT expert I have heard other podcasts where it sound like the other UAE riders ask him for tips and advice on the smallest details, tire pressure etc. Mikkel were in Denmark before the giro If I remember the interview correctly to fine tune aero with some aero experts from Team Denmark (my memory is a little bit foggy here on the last bit).

Ofcourse doesn't remove the question of - should he have done, what if TP needed him etc... etc.

Pogacar already was so far ahead in GC, extra time doesn't matter, only another stage win did.

Roglic certainly has not been consistent at times, you are 100% correct. But you could say that while not being consistent he still won just about everything last season while rarely being at his best last year. Now imagine he’s at his best during all of July. Mind blowing the possibility. 😂🦋👊👊💪💪

Different Giri, this year is flatter

completely agree, Roglic should be happy to compete for podium if he was here.

​@@jcoul1scEven more significant than, no?

Rog peaked 3 years ago. Grandfather 👴 time has caught up to him

@@dadonwelfare you can't be 100% all the time. Roglic still one to watch, look at Thomas

Note: Crappy weather and no Stelvio proper, as they will turn left into Switzerland via Umbrail pass still 2500m but they should have left this for the end.

You fight for the best position you can. Podium is podium baby! You might be fired up for not fighting for first, but that is drive.

Pogi has no real competition here sir.

@@rockhopper01 agreed.

Huh? He looked like he is strugling at last km

20% ramp😂😂​@@BlackTone91

@@BlackTone91 commentators said there were pitches of almost 20% on the final, I'm not sure anyone can make that look easy, but it certainly didn't look like he was struggling.

Not even close to over yet. 🦋👊

As soon as Chris starts using a different brand name!

Not really the comparison u should be making. Remember Marie blanque is just above 1000 mts sea level, while this is 2400 mts above sea level. Those 6,88 W/Kg at the same height just go up. You should look at Col La Loze, where Jonas did about the same W/Kg in a slightly easier stage in terms of KJ expenditure

Totally agree with you and as you I'm a BIG fan of Pogi.

Agreed , fear for the Pog when it’s super hot and Jonas and his team give him a going over , anyway the TdF should be a great spectacle this year.

@@BionicCheese I doubt it. I mean, there is no way Jonas will fully recover from that crash. They will do him disservice if they push him to participate. But I may be wrong who knows…

Casual

Based on his Vuelta he’s much closer to pogi and Jonas then to Thomas

This isn't remotely true. What?

All three are more less equal to me. I give Pogi a more well rounded advantage. Jonas the best at tactics, not getting overly excited (except at that P/N mountain stage😜) that is. Primoz is almost identical to Pogi but lacks the bike handling but this year he will out for vengeance which may give him the edge on the other two. July will be good. Remco will add some spice I’m sure. 😜👊🔥🦋

Pogacar looks a lot leaner this year but to be honest I kind of doubt that Jonas actually has 132lbs, in my opinion he looked lighter than that last year but I could be wrong

@@MR_Droleee Lighter than 132lbs.? Maybe. That is light! I am about 142lbs. and can't imagine being 10lbs. lighter

@@markmark2469 I‘m that 10lbs lighter😂 and Jonas is definitely leaner than me, but surely has a lower body fat, so he probably weighs about as much as me but he was a lot lighter than Pogacar last year that’s for sure

This is the same thing people said in the past and then Pogacar himself shut them down by stating his weight hadn't changed 😅 Always dangerous to make assumptions about weight based on how a rider looks.

@@MDP1702 Dangerous? Maybe foolish but not dangerous. He looks lighter to me and he is riding better than ever so idk. If you can maintain FTP and muscle mass being lighter is going to make you a better climber that is how physics works.

It’s no secret that UAE didn’t bring their best team, TdF will be a different story, they seem to be stacked for that one

He won’t be. And he should not do the Tour at all.

Yes. I believe Primoz is as good as both Jonas and Pogi. 🤔🦋💪

UAE, Jumbo, Bora, and Quick Step are all bringing STACKED teams to the TdF. It’s gonna be insane.

Some people said he was just sandbagging because he knew that he’d turn it around in the last TT. Jokes aside though, I doubt that he will have a shot but hopefully he’ll at least make the tour more entertaining

He wasn't that great last giro, might be his crash or something else, but his level in Catalunya a few weeks earlier vs the remainder of the field was better than in the Giro.

What???!!!

Pogi has to be on his best form to have a chance to hold onto Jonas' wheel. That's what the last two years have shown.

lol…outside the TDF, Pog typically owns Vin.

Yep. Anyone not at their best in July won’t be winning. 👊🦋

I guess it’s the heat. Jonas handles heat better than Pogi. Same situation between WVA and MVDP.

Exactly. Every time. 🦋👊🐈🐁

Primoz is certainly a favorite. 👊🦋💪

Along with three others. 😂

Correct. It’s late in the season and far away from the classics and TdF. That’s not to say no one is in top shape for the Worlds. It’s only say that everyone is going in April and July 👊🦋

@ChrisHornerCycling Olympics too, Paris, would think Ganna will go now prepare for that?

As far as we all know Italy, France, and Spain are the only three. Until someone can prove me wrong, I’m right. And by the time someone can I will be dead, so I’m still right as far as I care. So in the Galaxy is what you can tell your friends I said. Hehehe 🤪😂😂🦋👊🌌🪐💪🇪🇸

I dont see it either. Im just thinking back to last years Giro where Primoz was having problems following GT. I would love to see Primoz surprise me but as of right now I dont expect him to be to follow TP or an in shape/healed JV. Forget about Remco.....no chance.

I agree. Pogacar has been a beast for several years but seems especially strong this year. He averaged 6.1 w/kg for 35 minutes on the climb yesterday. 6.8 after passing Nairo. Jonas will have his hands full this year even if he is 100%. Roglic and Remco will be non-factors with the two big guns battling it out

I think it will be a real 4 way battle, or I hope. Pogi won't be at his best, Vingegarrd for sure will.have questionable form, rollicking will be at his best and remco might be also. It el be goos

I've never seen Pog dropped Rog in any GT,Rog dropped him on col de la Loze in 2020 TDF,he just beat Rog in the ITT with an overconfident Rog that's all

@@audiehauroo6206Well, 2020 is four years ago. Roglic was dropped by Geraint Thomas one year ago. Do you remember any stage when Pogacar was dropped by G?

I do think Remco could be around 100% by the start of the TdF. He could start training again a bit before he'd normally start training for the TdF and has just normally participated with the altitude camp. Also the fact that he's going to ride the Dauphiné should indicate he and the team are confident that he's on track, else they'd skip the Dauphiné. Jonas is more questionable, his injuries were worse and he spent quite some time in the hospital. If I remember correct his ribs and lung were hit. Yes, he's training, but so was Wout and now we see in Norway that training =/= good shape. It was also the ribs Wout said he still has trouble with, specifically when the lungs expand during hard breading, so might also play for Jonas. I still am not sure that Jonas will go to the TdF, or if he goes I'd be surprised if he's 100%, but I guess you never know with such athletes. Even as a Remco fan I don't believe he and Roglic are currently on Pog's or Vingegaards level, however I am also not sure Pogacar will be 100% at the TdF, already peaking hard now in the Giro and having never done 2 GT's before (and now immediately the hardest combination). So in that sense maybe Remco has a chance this year on more than a podium. Roglic imo needs to proof he's doing a lot better than in PN first, difficult to say what impact team change might have had.

@@MDP1702 Yeah, it's looking pretty good for Remco being 100%, I guess. It remains to be seen for Pogi, but my feeling is that it couldn't have taken that much out of him to crush the field at the Giro and with a decent gap between the Giro and Tour this year coupled with his amazing form this year, I really do think Pogi is a fairly huge favourite for the Tour and I continue to believe that Jonas is the only one who can beat him and if Jonas is not 100% or extremely close to it, then Pogi is likely running away with it.

@@TheRealBlueSwan It isn't only about how hard the Giro was on him, but more also about peaking a 2nd time, maintaining the shape, ... and while the riding itself might not have really pushed him, there still was also the pressure, press, after stage responsibilities, ... And considering the much higher level at the TdF, it will also be much less forgiving on even minor weaknesses.

Absolutely agree!