Would The Cardinals Really Trade Jordan Walker Ahead Of The MLB Deadline? 

The fact that nobody can see that this is a coaching and development issue is just amazing. DeWitt messed up when he fired Schildt and kept Mo. The Cardinals will never be fixed until he rights this wrong. Just my opinion.

It was said earlier (@kengoetz) that you don't trade low and I totally agree. Walker is working on things as the cards have thrown a lot at him by asking him to learn outfield and to change his swing to elevate more. Also, we have been burnt in the past with outfielders. He is only 22 (i have socks that old!). Get out of his head and give him time to works through things. I would forget about him this year (unless he just takes off) and revisit in spring. The one scenario where i would bring him up is if the rest of team is hitting on all cylinders, there is an injury to an OF and thus a need. Perhaps Walker would benefit from the positive vibe (hitting is contagious) and the focus (and pressure to be the guy) would not be on him as much. Regarding Dylan, the sample size for Dylan is larger and i think we have a pretty good idea of what he is. Makes more sense to trade him and sell the fact that he is under control till 27, good defensively and perhaps he would benefit from a change of scenery. Totally agree everything you said about a starter. that is the need.

If TB calls then you better just keep Walker at all costs lmao

Can I say this one more time. Our player development system sucks. Branch Rickey would be turning in his grave. We must gut the development system and spend whatever is needed to develop players again

Better question, can we trade Luken Baker for a starting pitcher? He’s got 25 💣 home runs this year in AAA. To me he’s kind of like a Kinser type of guy, which of course didn’t get renewed. Walker is like 21 and has lots of time to grow. He has the size, but his glove is a liability in the OF. For Walker he should strive to be a 15-20 hr type of guy and 100 RBIs, which would be a great addition if those stats held up. However, he’s not hitting and it feels like with Walker paralysis by analysis. Constantly tinkering and now he can’t hit anything. We are concerned but not to the level of a trade piece.

We have a surplus of good outfielders and unless his defensive skills have improved, Walker was weak in the outfield. We were also considering him as a replacement at 1st base for Goldy but as fine as Burleson has been- that position seems to be his. Hes already a fine hitter and can play the outfield or 1st with good defense. We do need pitching and if Walker can be a part of adding a good starter we should definitely trade him. Good pitching is a key need for the Cards and has been for many years.

I’m softening on the idea that Walker is “untradeable” Walker isn’t contributing this year and it’s not a certainty he pans out like fans think/hope….but a guy like Crochet would immediately put the Cardinals among the legit NL threats. Do I see Mozeliak being that aggressive…No, but that’s the move you make at the deadline if the goal is winning and a move like that would 100% require Walker as part of a trade package . For those that have FOMO…..Once upon a time, Dylan Carlson was seen as untradeable and now, it’s an inevitability that he gets moved. Either the Cardinals missed on their projection and evaluation or they fucked up his development. Cardinals become married to their “top prospects” and as of late, that attitude hasn’t panned out well Cardinals either move him (Walker) now while they still have youth and potential as selling points or they make room for him moving forward, because right now…..there are no spots available for Walker. I personally think Walker is the option to replace Goldschmidt IF they keep him. For those of you that can’t picture that……then what are they keeping him for…

Wow we're starting Groceffo. Let's roll and see what happens!

So Burleson needs the starting spot in the corner, Nootbar is coming back, and Edman maybe? Carlson, Matz, and Herrera need to be the ones going out somewhere and make Walker a first bench amd DH option.

Look I don’t hate Jordan walker, but I definitely hate his fan club. (I now realize it’s just the twitter Stan’s that are annoying) I get it’s hard to not overrate prospects but he’s not producing in the minors. He gets talked about like he needs called up and it’s annoying.

Bernie has intimated on multiple occasions that walker is resistant to coaching or the offseason changes the org has recommended… don’t know how much truth is there or to what degree, but that would certainly influence this decision with the FO.

If Walker never skipped triple A in 23.. and was still there in 24.. would he be considered the #1 prospect..?

For the right deal. My biggest problem is letting Mo make that trade.

If you could get one of the young sp’s from Detroit preferably skubal, might be time to make that kind of move. But alas I am again reminded of how awesome Goldy/soto/nado/pujols out of his mind could’ve been in postseason of 22 sigh

Hey Brenden! Been lurking for a while and I enjoy the content. I listen to it while working and it helps the time go by. I haven't finished watching the full video yet but as for trading Jordan Walker, I have a question for you. Which would be easier to stomach for us Cardinal fans? We trade him and he goes on to be the next "one that got away" or keep him and he becomes the next Dylan Carleson? I'd rather keep the guy and let his value drop than risk it by trading him. That could be because I have played too much OOTP Baseball and hoarded every prospect I could find.

Walker should not be traded yet. He is very young and should be given until next years trade deadline to improve.

As you’d asserted before, I don’t think Moz ought to be allowed to trade ANYONE still under team control, their recent surge notwithstanding. Before Pythagoras was incorporated into MLB fans were a lot less interested in the projected outcomes. Now we’re all like, yeah the projections seem more realistic than the emotional expectations. Just remember: Aaron Judge was sent back to the minors after struggling as a rookie. And Walker might not be Judge, he might even be better. And if we trade him, of course he will.

I think it depends on what the trade might bring. The problem is Walker’s stock has seriously declined in the last year, so I doubt he would bring the return he would have.

If we don't have any room on the team I think we should trade Jordan Walker Cardinals we got way too many outfielders as it is

There’s not a *realistic* Walker trade I’d be okay with. Not trading him for a rental or someone with one year of control. I’d only trade him for someone with 3+years of control. And even then I’d want it to basically be a 1-for-1 swap. Walker being part of a package with more pieces being shipped out is pretty much a no go in any instance

It would be so on brand for the Cardinals to trade a guy at his lowest value (see Gallen, Alcantara, Arozarena, Garcia) and then for him to go and rake with another team. I mean, I guess if you're going to trade him, trade him now so he doesn't become the next Dylan Carlson, because it's clear the Cardinals struggle to develop their top prospect talent while guys like Donovan and Edman somehow manage to make it

Thinking just relax on Jordan. Let’s see how he matures. He’s either a baller or not. I’d rather focus on what’s happening with the parent club now. 2 big series before the all-star game. Cubs trying to create some momentum, and waxing the Orioles last night in Baltimore 9-2 is a thing. Hoping our hitting continues to trend positively. Wishing the best for Jordan. Was thinking he could be our Judge. Perhaps that was too much pressure to put on him. It took Judge a while to figure it out. Hoping the same happens here. Go Cardinals. End the first half on a high note.

I say no on trading Walker. It would have to be a haul to change my mind. He works really hard, is talented, should never have been called up. Let’s see how he finishes the year.

I'm hearing everything you said BSchaeff, and I'm SO on the fence with this. I'm extremely concerned about JWalk and maybe I'm not really paying attention. What was so wrong with him when they originally brought him up that they felt they needed to "tweek" his swing? I felt like they broke em. I think his confidence may be shot and I don't think this organization has what they need to fix him. And when he gets traded, yes, he will mirror what Arozarena and Garcia have done with other teams. He actually may need it - get with a team that can actually develop him and let him be who he is. I've been saying reluctantly to trade em. I don't wanna see him go, but I think it's best for HIM. Screw this team - FREE Jordan Walker.

B, I am curios to what extent Gary Larocque contributed to Walker's regression.

If you can get a good return and a starting pitcher then yes!

Yes for the right pitcher. They have too many corner infielders they are trying to make play outfield. The kid would be better off at 3rd somewhere where he is comfortable instead of having to learn a new job and how to hit mlb pitching. If you could find a taker sure.

We have lots of outfielders but only for a #1pitcher with 3 or more years with control

The Cardinals are a part of the problem. We bring up Gorman and turn him into a second baseman. We bring up Walker and tell him you are going to learn to play the outfield at the major league level. Edman and Donovan win gold gloves as infielders, and because they are so good defensively, they're outfielders.Carlson has, between injury and mixed messages like making O'Neill opening day centerfielder which mismanaged both players. Now, we are going to alter Walker's swing for the launch angle? Just let his natural swing talent take over. If you want to win before Goldschmidt and Mozaliak leave, then some of those guys should be in a trade. Rooker/Miller from the A's would get me dealing. Scherzer/Yates from the Ranger would do it. Need right-handed power ? Tyler O'Neill... If we traded him to Boston, it should have been more of a Chris Sale swap or kept him for the last year of his deal. A #2 pitcher and a clutch hitter would make this a playoff team. I liked Lane Thomas, but a Jon Lester caliber pitcher now would be nice. Yes, on the White Sox trade. Crochet/Roberts would really be going for it. Roberts has been injured, but Roberts can match those Walker numbers. Put Roberts in a corner outfield and leave Siani in centerfield.

You mentioned it. I'm out. Lol. Not this year unless they get a front line starter. Need to wait and see how the off season works itself out with Goldie and Nado

Here is what I would like to see the Cardinals do. But I doubt they would. I advocated for the Cardinals to trade Goldschmidt at trade deadline last season when he might have gotten a nice pitching prospect. I hope they take the money and run and let h

Walker was trained as a 3B and Arenado is on the downside. What would be the future plan?

Sure why not it's not like the Cardinals have ever traded the wrong player before unbelievable

MLB must of found some boxes of those juiced balls, lots of runs everywhere tonight.

It would depend on who we could get for him, but I'm starting to smell a bust in Walker. I think there's been too much meddling with him My reticence to deal him is that he's still only 22 years old, though, and he might still figure it out and be a beast by 24.

I think his trade value right now is too low to consider trading him at the deadline.

Walker and another piece to Rangers to rent Max and Best pitching package they offer.

I knew early in the season they were thinking about trading JWalk. Completely screwed this dude up. His swing is worse than when he first was called up. That's on the Cards.

If Moz has any ounce of creativity Goldy gets traded to another contender for pitching. Boom Alec Burleson 1st baseman.

You don’t trade Walker imo. Let him develop more. He is the youngest player in the org to make it past high A. There should be room on the big league roster next year.

Walker was not handled right from the get go. Stuck him in the outfield which he had never played before until 3 weeks before the season started. His offense was not bad for a 20 year old rookie but then they decided to change his swing and make a home run hitter out of him. Typical front office bullshit. He needs to play his own game which got him here in the first place. His strike out rate was not bad until….

I trade Walker for one of those Mariners pitchers.

Whatever happened to the days of getting a McGwire or Edmonds etc etc at the trade deadline. Now it's like they aren't supposed to do that,not the Cardinal way. That's bull and that thinking is why we aren't serious contenders for a championship.

Only if it was some package for Rooker or Guerrero.

What is average age of someone drafted out of HS to make it to MLB?

At this point of the season with Walker not swinging the bat well, it would not be wise to trade him. You'd be selling low and get nothing in return.

If you can get a proven SP or Hitter back for Walker you do it and don't look back. There is no guarantee from a prospect. From what I have observed being a heavy RU-vid viewer a creator does better putting out daily content.

This fricking team. My worst fear comes to fruition. A double header loss. At home. Team not ready for its close up. Not even close. The hard cold fact of the negative run differential is who this group is. Shame, but they are who they are. Sucked the life out of the day. Completely. Just when hope was returning, They fail. Miserably. Cubs hot. Now fearing a horrific slide into the All-Star game. Hoping I’m proven wrong. Once again they zig when I thought they would zag/ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Trading Walker would be another Randy Arozina trade.

NO WAY TRADE WALKER at this point cant give up on this big guy yet! it could be like trading away a 22 year old frank robinson type or the Frank "big hurt"Thomas

If you add Vladdy…this lineup goes from meh to TERRIFYING really fast

Shouldn’t we see Carlson and say oh a young producing player isn’t guaranteed to become good?

I wouldn't trade Walker he's still young and has a lot of potential!!!

I wouldn't trade Walker he still has star talent.

What happens once mo and marmol are gone? Who’s gonna be taking the blame for everything? It’s their fault walker isn’t producing like it’s their fault Goldschmidt and Arenado suck now.

Burleson for Ohtani is an easy decline for Mo

Walker is still so young. He could be in the minors for 2 more years and he’d still be under 25.

Miss down on the farm

Trade Walker, Scott, Romero for Skenes.

Tarik Skubal???

They better not! Too young and so much upside

Nice click bait, ye minister of propaganda you

Jordan Walker should have been the first baseman

Burleson should be in center field

To the marlins for Jazz and Luzardo.. Walker.. throw in Hence and VSII.. maybe Roby if needed! Cardinals have called in on Luzardo