Yes it sort of looks like the fire for the regular Extinguisher test was perhaps a mix of diesel (or other heavier fuel or oil) and gasoline while the one for the Element Fire Extinguisher looked like pure gasoline and more or less burned itself out on it's own more than being extinguished 🤔
Based on this video I'll stick with the conventional type fire extinguisher. From what I saw of the element extinguisher the agent is readily dispersed by any wind requiring the operator to get very close to the fire to put it out. The conventional extinguisher handled it faster and from a greater distance.
The fire was almost out by the time you finally hit it with the stick 🤷 I've watched a lot of videos where the stick failed to make much difference to the fire. I would certainly recommend extended tests with those fire sticks, before recommending them.
this is perfect for motorcycles i ride all the time just last month a guy went down and his bike cought flames with i knew about this i woulda hade it on me
I would expect the forest service from a state _EXTREMELY_ prone to wildfires and _EXTREMELY_ critical and targeting of the 4x4 community to suggest drivers to use the better of the two options, not suggest the "sorta good enough" option
If you are really a fire captain, you should be ashamed of yourself! That fire was already dying! Why would you promote a fire safety product that doesn't work? They must have paid you. smh
If you are really a fire captain, you should be ashamed of yourself! That fire was already dying! Why would you promote a fire safety product that doesn't work? They must have paid you. smh
I’ve seen a couple other demo videos of this, and without wind present, it was just as quick as a small dry chem ABC extinguisher. This video showed an obvious flaw, because the Element extinguishing agent is essentially a gas, wind is capable of blowing away the gas. The captain had to lean over the flammable liquid, which nobody should ever do, even a firefighter wearing full PPE. All that being said, the small Element has 50 seconds of extinguishing agent discharge time, compared to about 15 seconds for a dry chem. 50 seconds is more than enough time to overcome a light wind. With heavy winds, it’s hard to put out anything, even with a fire hose. I literally just learned about this extinguisher about 30 minutes ago. I’m buying 4 of them today, for all the cars at home. I’m a retired firefighter, and I’m a pain in the ass pragmatic sceptic for anything new. Prove it to me, and after my initial resistance to change, I’m an advocate.
I’m also a retired Firefighter. I’m in the same boat as you. I’d like to see more. I sure didn’t like to see him sticking his head over the area to get closer. Too many situations played in my head that wouldn’t have been good. I’ll keep watching this product tho. We’ll see.
You know what ran through my mind as a retired personal trainer? He is in serious serious need of stretching. His posterior chain is so tight he cannot even bend over without putting his hand on his knee and shifting his center of mass. His body will fail him eventually and soon, mid action, and that's dangerous as a firefighter.
Not so great outdoors, but I think inside a house or cramped room, the Element will put out a fire without choking you and covering the entire place with white dust that can take days to clean.
Inside a home, inside a garage, and inside a vehicle is where this thing shines. Nothing is perfect for EVERY situation, but this is an easy answer to store in the car (glove box) and isn’t impacted by high heat as you’ll have inside a car on a hot summer day. The ease of storage is key. Like carrying a firearm, it’s only good if you have it with you. I’ll be picking up a few to keep in the cars and at home.
I hope you came to your senses. This thing is worthless in a car, in a home, or in a garage. This thing will not work. If you have a fire in your car (likely gas or oil) this thing will not work. If you have an electric fire in your home, this thing will not work. You can get a Kiddie brand fire extinguisher from Walmart for $20-40 and it will work in all of those situations. And this demonstration was terrible because the fire was basically out before he even hit the plate with it. Everybody wants to be fancy but being fancy is going to get your house burned down or even worse get someone killed.
@@TomoHawKzZ And there's multiple videos of this thing failing horrifically in all types of situations, I've seen plenty an off-road vehicle burnt to a crisp because they wanted to be fancy instead of just buying a much cheaper actually reliable fire extinguisher. It's easy to put out a controlled fire, which most of the time this thing fails to do anyway, but it's much harder to get it right when you're actually standing in front of your shit that's burning down. It doesn't cover a wide area you gotta get your hand and face right next to the burning item and it's just all around a bad idea. 5lb fire extinguisher with a vehicle mount cost just as much most of the time much cheaper than 1 element stick. And it's by far more effective.
Wind is the killer here. Inside a house fire, I imagine this could be used as a sort of anti-fire smoke grenade, to improve the pathway for anyone trapped
You're in luck as I found someone doing that, a grease fire. I can save you the time though: it doesn't work. Nor on wood apparently? vid id is dCaPUYKs5Zc so copy paste that
@@dgSolidarity that was in wind. The concept is more for confined spaces and not so much outside. For your car it’s perfect but I’d still keep a regular fire extinguisher around just in case.
@@HNemo880 Unfortunately you are wrong, in the sense that they do not market it with any mention of such a limitation. Several neighbours got roped in easily with they way they're advertised, were going to order a bunch together, all I had to say was 'just want to check people have researched it meets your use case, don't trust any single source of information' with a couple links and they all changed their mind.
hey,just watched another review and it came out with MUCH more force, you may want to look into that a little more,or maybe it was really windy or something when you did it?
That E50's kind of poopy, while effective the dry chem extinguisher will kill anything electrical in the engine bay. I have a Halon extinguisher in my car that I was thinking about retiring. They're expensive, but I'd rather pay three times more for Halon, which works ten times better than both.
No thank you I think it’s a gimmick. It may put her out of fire. I don’t want to get that close to it. No thank you. Keep it. The price is too expensive for these things. Anyway, I could buy a 5 pound extinguisher that I can refill for the price of one of these. Besides that your demonstration damn near burn itself out by the time you got that thing lit in the wind too much of it away no thank you keep it
I was set and spending the extra money and buying element fire extensions for my cars, but after watching RU-vid videos, they perform very disappointing. They’re easily blown by the wind and it looks like you have to get your arm into the fire to help put it out I’d rather be standing back a little further.
The fuel was already mostly burned up when you start magically waving the stick over the fire .... I do not take this action seriously. It was good slapstick though.
I want to see more demonstrations. This is no more complicated with steps to deploy than a traditional fire extinguisher with the P.A.S.S. acronym. Yes these seem more portable however you still need to take it out of the box and look how close you need to get to the fire! That’s a safety hazard if I ever saw one. That’s a no from this humble individual. 👎🏼
@@TheHungryFerret- didn’t run out, that was not even 10 seconds. I hope this guy isn’t in charge of making sure all the embers are out while on the job.
As soon as he strikes the Element turn your eyes to the fire pan. Just being downwind of the Element the fire is immediately knocked down dramatically. Then he goes in closer to do the cleanup.
Anyone who wants to be really serious about clean, instant, and safe fire suppression should look into Halon/Halotron. It's expensive, but works better than anything else, completely evaporates with no residue, and is lighter to carry than equivalent CO2 or dry extinguisher. It's like having a delete button for fire, and without any of the mess.
Halon has a asphyxiation, frost bite and other environmental concerns. It's also has a higher pressure that can splatter or spead liquid fires. We removed all of ours. You'll have that one employee who thinks it's a fire drill and hang out till the system actually fires off. They get stuck in the halon spray. Ive had people lock themselves in closets hiding so they didn't have to leave the building cause the phone call they were on was more important. Yes they were disciplined....lol.
If you pay attention at the 3minute mark he states "this is in no way an endorsement". And where is a taped over insignia? Do you go through your entire life bouncing off walls or just on the internet?
@@nytwns13 no it isnt. It says "West Pierce" on the top, his velcro area doesnt have an assigned unit since he wasnt assigned one at the time, and the bottom says "Captain". There is no tape.
On the flip side, most people don’t carry fire extinguishers in their car because of their weight and size. If the alternative to the Element is not having anything, then the Element is perfect.
Yeah but this really shouldn't be a comparison between the Fizzle Stick and a 5 lb bottle, it should be a comparison between the fire stopping ability of the Fizzle Stick vs the fire stopping ability of a 16oz Venti latte, because if you're out and about that is going to be about the extent of you fire fighting capability without something like this.
Had to get too close to the fire - no good. Could not stop the continuous operation as with the bigger one. This means - Hurry up and use it or it will be wasted. Too bad if you spot a flame later on, when canister is empty. Traditional one - Use as much as you need then wait. Use again and again. I'm sticking to the tried and true. Italy should stick to designing pretty but useless Bugattis.
I must be seeing something different from these firemen on here. It seemed as though the flames died down in intensity as soon as the E50 was ignited, despite the white smoky element not getting directly on it. Now, I agree that you shouldn't bend over into the flames and that a traditional fire extinguisher is better for fighting in the wind and from a distance. But, that being said, maybe these find their place when you get into a crash or stuck in a structure with the fire. Its easier to wield in confined spaces with a much longer discharge time. Especially if you get an E100 (100 second discharge). I'm thinking there is an ass for every seat, and I'd rather have one of these inside my car with me to deal with a fire after an accident than just have a 10 second discharge traditional fire extinguisher. I may be wrong though. I am not affiliated with any fire fighting industry anything.
Or you could spend $40-$50 less and buy an extinguisher you know is going to work. (Also that fired died down before the element even touched it, you can see the fire blowing off before the smoke even gets down to the fire and then it pools in the plate, and it still took twice as long for the Captain to put it out. He put out both fires in half the time it took the element to put out 1 (half) a fire.
I can’t see how they can say this thing has a Class K rating with respect to how much heat a cooking media will hold even after extinguishment. If you don’t apply a wet chemical agent to blanket the hot oil, the vapors will just keep reflashing as demonstrated in a RU-vid video where a firefighter shows using a regular BC dry chemical extinguisher on a class K fire. This gas will just disperse and the fire will reflash after this is spent. I wouldn’t even rely on it in my home kitchen.
It is better to have any suitable fire extinguisher than nothing. Giving its compact size and being maintenance free it would likely be much easier have with you in a car, truck and even motorcycle. Much better than the contents of your bladder.
The huge weight savings make the new idea ideal for aircraft! Instead of carrying a heavy pressure vessel this thing has a chemical gas generator. They should make block units to toss into fire.
No way in hell I'd use the Element - yeah let me just get a foot away and stick my arm out to a hot burning engine o vehicle out on a trail - I'm sure that'll work out well.
What wasn’t noted I this demo was the length of time the Element extinguisher ran which is at least twice the time of the conventional one which is a Hugh plus. Also the Element is much easier to store and lighter to carry.
A hyperbolic statement with no factual basis. Totally useless comment. Why is it ridiculous and garbage? I saw it knock down the flames as soon as it was lit just from being up wind of the fire. I'm not expecting a reply. Someone that would make a comment like that is not generally the type that that take the time or would care to reply. I replied for others that might be influenced by the hyperbolic statement.
If you watch the slow mo you see it actually neutralizes the large flame quite quickly from a distance. The smokey discharge from element isnt as impressive looking but it did the job. He only had to get closer to finish off the small flames.
Might be okay it doesn’t expire I might keep one in my bunker pants it could be used as a last ditch effort in an emergency but I’d have to be having one shitty day to need one of those
I like it but honestly the ignition sequence is too complicated for the average person which is a moron typically. They should integrate a pull tab or draw string that will pull the igniter across the top. Remember that in a panicky situation people lose all their calm and sense. No one should need to read any instructions in an emergency situation to know what to do.
@@johnjingleheimersmith9259 Unfortunately others may die because someone couldn't figure out how to use the extinguisher when the fire was still very small.
Thanks for the test. So for a vehicle, what's better, a 2.5-lb squeeze ext or an E50/E100? Or is a 4-5lb squeeze ext the best? The only downsides of the element I see are once it's going you can't stop it until it runs out, and you have to get closer to the fire/heat than the traditional pressurized extinguisher.
@@iain3668 ...right, then after you throw the E50/100 into that enclosed space, you lose all physical control of the extinguisher, but it still can't be shut off once it has been started. You get one shot and can't aim (more or less) the material or control the flow/distribution of the material. You light it, you aim it and get it close, then it just goes until it has exhausted itself; all hoping the fire has been put out. The good side is there is no residue left.
These "burning stick" things from Europe have been around for years, but the only place you see them being used is in demonstration videos, never in the real world because their performance is weak except on small controlled fires, and you have to get dangerously close to use them. NFPA extinguisher standards have been around for 100 years for a reason, they know what works and what's safe to use. Get a quality UL-rated extinguisher that will function on a windy day and put out a decent sized fire. A 5 lb dry chem unit will also come with a hose which can be useful for an electrical fire under the dash, for example. A fire extinguisher can be like a parachute, you may only get one chance so don't scrimp.
@@retiredfedleo6441 Good advice. I'll stick with a good quality UL approved / Coast Guard approved pressurised fire extinguisher with a known rating(s). For class A fires I prefer a standard 2.5 Gal water type extinguisher. I can stand 40-50 feet away from the burning material and put enough water on to put out a moderately sized fire. For B or C fires a good dry chem is an excellent all around choice.
