Wrong About The 223 Remington

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Welcome to the Ron Spomer Outdoors Podcast! In this episode, I respond to a listener correction about the 223 Remington. If you find this interesting, check out the full episode here - • Best All-Around Rifle ...
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@tundranomad Год назад

I have a Colt pre-ban A2 HBAR in .223. I fired .223 and 5.56 in it for many years before I realized I was on the verge of death, sterility, marriage difficulties, alcohol abuse and serious bodily harm.

@russellkeeling4387 Год назад

How dangerous for you and your family. I hope your children didn't have birth defects because of your carelessness.

@dr.froghopper6711 Год назад

Oh! The humanity!

@hugosalceda1973 Год назад

@@russellkeeling4387 😅

@hugosalceda1973 Год назад

@@dr.froghopper6711 😮

@jordangouveia1863 Год назад

Yeah me too I've been shooting 5.56 in my Colt AR SP1 marked .223 since 1980! Oh the horror! LOL!

@donl4914 Год назад

Finally, an explanation anyone can wrap their head around. I don't own a .223 rifle at all. I bought my 5.56 understanding that it would fire both rounds without issue. That said, this was the best explanation I have heard yet!!! Thanks Ron!!!

@danielcurtis1434 Год назад

Why get either?? I went .223 wylde 1:7 twist… shoots anything you can load!!!

@donl4914 Год назад

@@danielcurtis1434 I built my rifles before the 223 Wylde came available. I would not change a thing.

@danielcurtis1434 Год назад

@@donl4914 so being able to shoot .223 accurately while also having a 5.56 chamber doesn’t interest you at all??? None of my business… You do you!!!

@donl4914 Год назад

@@danielcurtis1434 .223 50 gr Norma Frangable hits sub moa from my AR. I'm not going to complain about that.

@sinisterthoughts2896 Год назад

They cut .223 chambers the same these days. This is only a possible issue if you have a VERY early rifle in .223.

@autumnfragrance6326 Год назад

Almost. You are correct that the 223Rem and 5.56NATO case dimensions are the same (may vary slightly depending on the manufacturer). However, the military wanted the 223 chamber slightly enlarged to facilitate easier loading and extraction with heavy carbon fouling. The shorter 223 chamber promotes better accuracy; and the enlarged 5.56 chamber promotes increased reliability. As far as pressure, it's hard to compare the two cartridges because the military measures chamber pressure differently than the civilian world. It is best not to fire 5.56 in a 223 chamber, especially very hot loads like M855A1 and tracers.

@russellkeeling4387 Год назад

I've loaded a lot of .223 ammunition and I use both 5.56 and .223 brass. I use as much range brass as I can find. I now find .223 brass with crimped primers whereas I used to just find the crimp on 5.56 brass. The brass is the same size and the case capacity is the same or less with the heavier bullets. The overall length of a 60 gr. .223 round and a 77 grain 5.56 round is the same, 2.260, meaning the 5.56 has less room for powder, 27.6 gr. H2O for 60 grain .223 and 26.5 gr. H2O for the 5.56. The barrel of the 5.56 has a tighter rate of twist helping to increase resistance building higher pressure in most cases. The .223 tends to be the faster of the two rounds. However I do not load for the highest velocity my firearm will achieve I load to a velocity my firearm likes. I don't know why so many folks owning black rifles want them to be more powerful or better than a common .223 and aren't just happy with the performance of their firearm.

@robertkrenicky1380 9 месяцев назад

I agree with all you said, Ron is full of du-du!

@onpsxmember 9 месяцев назад

You are so focused on the cartridge that you don't look at what it is married to. Two parts matched together make the difference depending on the rifle's chamber. The amount of ammo and the personal rifles you have don't say much about that if you don't have 10 barrels specifically made with a .223 Remington chamber and another 10 barrels for 5.56x45mm and testing all sorts of ammo monitoring pressure spikes and damage after a lot more ammo.

@adelarsen9776 Год назад

I'd like to know just who is having interchangeability problems. Who is it, which guns is it, which ammo is it ? Just who is having these problems. I'd like to find a commercially available (last 50 years) rifle in 223 which doesn't have a long enough throat. Just who is it that's having problems ? Answer : No one. Anyone who is doing something "special" knows not to put long bullets in short chambers. So again, Just who is having problems ?

@sha6mm Год назад

I hear what you are saying about the .223 Rem vs the 5.56 yes some throat differences. Now with all the people out there and a portion of them being Stupid People, How many .223 Rem or 5.56 Rifles have you heard of blown UP. Thats my question ? Because I have heard of Zero

@adelarsen9776 Год назад

Yes. I posed this question to one supposed expert and got blocked - "Just who is having problems with interchangeability ?" No one could answer. Just about every commercial 223 rifle has a long enough throat for any military or civilian loading. Added to this that most military ammo is LOWER pressure and LESS velocity than the equivalent sporting rounds. Who is having problems ? no one.

@thatbme35 Год назад

@@adelarsen9776 they break mini 14s but no, don't blow up

@Ron-Swanson Год назад

None, non issue. Just some blow hard puffing out his chest.

@Ron-Swanson Год назад

@@thatbme35 nonsense. I have one and it cycles both just fine, same with my su16 rifle.

@Ron-Swanson Год назад

@@adelarsen9776 exactly.

@stanleyromanowski9816 Год назад

The 223 Wylde chambering mitigates the interchangability issue between 5.56 NATO and .223 Remington.

@danielbutler8292 Год назад

This!

@DasGoodSoup Год назад

Just get a 5.56 chambering they need to do away with the .223 chambering but have the ammo so theres no confusion whatsoever

@peternorton5648 10 месяцев назад

Yes, but he wasn’t talking about the 223Wylde. He was referring specifically to 556 and 223.

@rvrski1 8 месяцев назад

@@majinbroly7886It will only confuse the wilfully ignorant.

@alvincorn2176 Год назад

My AR says multi caliber. 5.56 on the barrel.

@shamoy1000 Год назад

I shoot 55gr 556 all day long in my 223. Never saw any evidence of over pressure. Never heard of a 223 failure from shooting 556.

@UI_Shaggy05 Месяц назад

Yeah, XM193 55gr fmj ammo is fine, but I still wouldn't recommend shooting a 62gr M855 or M855A1 in your 223, otherwise that might create pressure cracks in the chamber overtime.

@shamoy1000 Месяц назад

@@UI_Shaggy05 Nah! The theory is that a long heavy military size bullet may engage the rifling before the cartridge is actually fired, causing extreme pressure in the chamber and shearing off the locking flanges of the bolt. Again, based on published data, this has never happened yet the warnings and myths still persist.

@ethimself5064 Год назад

Kinda sounds like the the 308 vs 7.62 NATO issues

@oldmangreywolf6892 Год назад

Yep. But Nato made the 7.62x51 less powerful for use in automatic rifles. 308 was originally made for bolt action with more power.

@the.original.throwback Год назад

Thanks, Ron. I bought a .223 Wylde upper which seems to solve the problem.

@dr.froghopper6711 Год назад

Should I choose to buy a rifle, I’d strive for the 5.56 chambering.

@jonathanhoup9988 Год назад

.223 Wylde exists

@adelarsen9776 Год назад

But in practical terms, just who is having a problem ?

@beestoe993 Год назад

I'm a reloader, therefore there is NO difference.

@michaelhennegan9637 Год назад

If your a reloader you should know that 5.56 has up to 1.5 gr more powder with like bullet weights. That’s why it has more velocity. I have never personally seen a .223 that was damaged by 5.56 ammo, but it is slightly higher pressure. We load our 5.56 brass to the max .223 load as it is easier on our expensive rifles. Western Powers manual would by a good investment for any reloader.

@beestoe993 Год назад

@@michaelhennegan9637 Nope. The 223 has 28.41 grs capacity. 5.56 Nato has 28.47 grs capacity. 0.06 grs capacity is negligible, the case dimensions are nearly identical. Loading to different pressure levels is very common among reloaders, not a problem as long as the action is up to the task. Which any bolt action made since the creation of the 223 is. I don't own any AR's, so I cant comment on their strength.

@jonathanhoup9988 Год назад

They are not the same. But not different enough to really matter. Especially in the 55g ball ammo territory. Don't let them talk shit to you Ron! Keep doing what you do!

@ronaldjohnson1474 Год назад

Wrong! It's the rifle chambering and metallurgy that's different. The cartridge cases can be loaded for either.

@jonathanhoup9988 Год назад

@@ronaldjohnson1474 Sure jan.

@kentuckybowl-o-sticks Год назад

Just stay away from factory 5.56 loads in a .223 target or match chamber : )

@John_Redcorn_ Год назад

There is no difference in the ammo. The _chamber_ is the only difference. Shooting 55-62g it makes zero difference which ammo or which chamber you use. If you tried to shoot an excessively long bullet in ANY rifle you can have problems. It isnt the ammo-its the bullet. Any variation in powder charge/velocity wouldnt be much different than variances between different manufactuers of the same caliber.

@jeremyc3911 Год назад

5.56 can go into a .223 Wylde firearm, which is not very common but they are out there.

@FraserFir-sb4lk Год назад

It is much more common than you think.

@arthurshingler2025 Год назад

Good explanation. The 5.56 is also rated at a slightly higher pressure, even though some 5.56 ammo isn't always loaded that high. The 5.56 throat is also a little longer and "sloppier" in dimensions, too. That's why the most highest pressured 5.56 ammo, works just fine in a 5.56 chamber/throated rifle..... but might be an overload in a "tighter" chambered .223 rifle. Some of my 223 rifles had problems with military 5.56 ammo, where others did not. None of my 5.56 rifles had ANY problems with ANY ammo.... (.223 or 5.56)

@NorthRiverGuide Год назад

Has there been any recorded incident ever about a mishap causes from shooting 5.56 in 223 chamber, or 308 in a 7.62 chamber? It would seem it being unsafe is as big of gun myth as any when dealing with a difference of 55-60kpsi in a 100kpsi action

@markchapman2585 Год назад

The guy is mad telling you that you're given fake information guy probably thinks the AR is the ultimate platform for everything 😅. Thank you for the video, Ron.

@mikebeddingfield2144 Год назад

Best way is to just get them both and if you can afford to order the A-Team stock for the mini

@TheGunNerd Год назад

The AR15 is great for a LOT of applications, but I'm not using it for everything. Definitely not because I want another excuse to buy more guns. No, that would be financially irresponsible...

@Threegunmaster Год назад

What you mean they aren't lol like same people that thing the 6.5 creedmoor is magical

@TheGunNerd Год назад

@@Threegunmaster different uppers for different applications (6 arc, for example for medium sized game, 556 or 300 blk for home defense, 22 for squirrels, etc

@Threegunmaster Год назад

@@TheGunNerd I was being sarcastic I love ARs I've 6.5 grendel, 6mm arc ,300 blackout, multiple 556 and 450 bushmaster

@kevinroberts781 Год назад

I reload 5.56 and 223 often. Between 5 people in my home using these for target practice and hunting purposes we reload 1000s of them per year. If there is a pressure difference its so tiny we can't see it. However, different brass manufacturing does matter. I have reloaded 223 brass that did have less volume. And that could create a pressure issue. Im sure some 5.56 brass could swing that way to. But as a standard rule, we don't see it as a whole an issue.

@stevenhalford3961 9 месяцев назад

I can't believe people are still talking about that

@albertunderwood9588 Год назад

You didn't claim that they were the same in your prior videos.

@adammcintosh5423 Год назад

In the AR platform .223 and 5.56 are interchangeable. The issue of longer bullets is irrelevant due to magazine length. There can be a slight difference in pressure between the two rounds but not enough to be an issue with an AR.

@thefreedomwarrior 8 месяцев назад

Excellent point. I do reload. No one ever discusses the fact that the magazine also comes into play in reloading.

@sinisterthoughts2896 Год назад

They are the same cartridge because the ammo companies swap the cases and name constantly. They are used interchangeably in manufacturing. Is there a difference? Only in pedantics. If somebody is still harping on this they need more important things in their life.

@altonkenne579 Год назад

All center-fire cartridges are legal to hunt deer in Texas I'm 62 and been hunting and killing deer all my life with 50 gr 222 Remington neck shot dead on their feet never shot a 223 never understood the hoohaa about an AR or any 223 of any manor any gun is good shot placement is the trick

@Sforce68 Год назад

The two cartridges are the same, and only the chambers differ; 5.56 has a longer free bore in the throat and a smoother transition into the rifling to accommodate the higher pressure 5.56 Nato ammunition.

@michaelhennegan9637 Год назад

Ok, what makes the NATO ammo have higher pressure? No it’s not the brass thickness. It’s the fact that NATO ammo has 1 to 1.5 gr. More powder depending on bullet and powder used. I think you meant to say, the cases are the same.

@Sforce68 Год назад

@@michaelhennegan9637 When I said they were the same I was referring to their dimensions.

@nmelkhunter1 Год назад

Great video Ron. I’ve shot both in my Mini-14 but always used 55 grain bullets since I’ve only used it for varmit hunting.

@OntarioBearHunter Год назад

Yup.. the Ranch says both.. but the target version says 223 only.

@blackhawk7r221 Год назад

Ruger secretly gave the chamber neck a bit of extra length knowing that some vets will run liberated 5.56 through it.

@nmelkhunter1 Год назад

@@blackhawk7r221 I did not know that. I like how you use liberated…

@tayronachan Год назад

@@nmelkhunter1 "I like how you use liberated…" I also lol.

@donwillits4513 9 месяцев назад

When Ruger released the mini 14 America wasn't using the metric system and 223 Cal was common. But the surplus 5.56mm was released to the public. So it was chambered in 5.56 just read the owners manual 223 (5.56) is designated there.

@jadope1 Год назад

Wanted to say something but you did all...as always!! Thanks!!

@throttlejockey34 11 месяцев назад

Generally, the main difference between the two is HOW the pressures are measured. The civilian governing body measures one way while the government measures another. I have fired 5.56 ammo from a 233 bolt action savage for years and never had an issue. Maybe it's luck.

@dennishein2812 Год назад

I bought a Winchester in .223 for a granddaughter that was a bit recoil sensitive to get her used to centerfire. Only shot .223 out of it. I personally was happy when she was ready to move up to .243. I couldn’t see everyone’s love for .223. Maybe if I’d been in the military but they told me no during Vietnam.

@winstonjones7519 Год назад

243 is a better round than 223 by far. Depending on the use I think.

@blackhawk7r221 Год назад

Good choice for a starter. After all, it’s only a deer, and they sure aren’t hard to kill.

@texastomsshavingtips6359 9 месяцев назад

@blackhawk7r221 Many states prohibit centerfire .22 caliber rifles of any chambering from being used to hunt medium or large sized game animals because they are deemed to be marginal at best, but allow them to be used for predators and varmints !! To the best of my knowledge, there are NO states that allow any rimfire rifle to be used for hunting medium or large sized game animals, but they are allowed for hunting small game and varmints, and I agree with both of those restrictions !! Texas requires the use of a 6mm(.243 caliber) or larger for hunting medium or large sized game animals, but allows the use of less powerful rifles to hunt small game animals, predators, and varmints !!

@DadWil Год назад

I tend to find that 5.56 guys are experts about everything, and will tell the guy shooting a ".223 Wylde" or a ".223 Ackley improved" or a ".223 Match" chambered rifle at the local range how it is not rated to handle the pressure of the 5.56.

@sdriza Год назад

This

@Alfs_Armory Год назад

I only have that particular caliber in 5.56. I try to cover the most scenarios possible. One such scenario would be having to resupply from abandoned and/or recovered military stock. Not only do I want to be able to handle the heavier bullets, but I want to limit any chance of catastrophic failure.

@homeinthewhiteoaks Год назад

The 223 and 5.56 is the same cartridge, but have different chambers… full stop.

@salninethousand2496 Год назад

Actually, they are not the same cartridge - each has its own caliber head stamp on purpose because they differ in throat and related dimensions, brass thickness and primer.

@adelarsen9776 Год назад

@@salninethousand2496 But who is having problems with interchangeability ?

@Ron-Swanson Год назад

Almost all rifles now are made to shoot both, they say so right from the manufacturer’s…. It’s never been an issue anyway.

@michaelhennegan9637 Год назад

Oh gosh. The difference between .223 and 5.56 is that the 5.56 has a longer throat and between 1 and 1.5 gr. More powder than a .223. You can verify this in the Western Rivers Reloading manual. The most logical reason I’ve heard for the longer throat is that is was designed that way in order to shoot tracers. Tracer bullets are usually longer than non tracer bullets. The COAL in an AR style rifle is in large part limited by the length of the magazine.

@garyh1449 Год назад

Wouldn't you run into the same problem if you handloaded .223 with the heaver bullets? (The 223 would then resemble the 5.56) Like you said the cartridge isn't the problem; it's the chamber.

@CaptainRon1913 Год назад

My 18" Wylde seems to shoot both .223 and 5.56 55g equally accurate. At least to 100yds...

@Steve-yo4ld 8 месяцев назад

Absolutely 100% correct and sound advice!✌️

@clintonlayne9253 Год назад

Ok Ron here's a wrench in the gears. Making 300 Blackout brass from 223 brass or 5.56 Brass which is plenty full. Your thoughts

@RonSpomerOutdoors Год назад

That's more of a pliers than wrench, Clint. I'd say make your brass out of either. Just maintain consistency and don't mix, start with light loads and work up watching pressure signs as per usual. Cheers.

@RoadTraveler Год назад

Bump

@mkcl9073 9 месяцев назад

Reading the comments: I’m sick of hearing this ridiculous argument. Every single tactical Timmy/ meal team six operator out there’s got an opinion, and will give it to you whether you want it or not. This BS is what killing the 2A community, this is what causes folks at ranges to come off snotty, pretty much turning people off to conversation altogether. Everyone thinking they know , and everybody else is wrong or stupid. We’re getting closer to losing more and more gun rights, so pick the right fight.

@BBouncer 9 месяцев назад

Hey Ron...sorry, but another correction. The cases are the same, so no, you can not "drive the neck into a tighter area". The 223 chamber does not have a "tighter" or shorter neck area then the 556 chamber. The problem is the longer bullet of the 556 can engage the 223 rifling so there is no bullet jump which can cause a pressure spike. Also, the longer leade of the 556 chamber allows for more powder then the shorter necked 223 chamber/leade so not only are you "jamming" the bullet you are also increasing the powder charge. Also, as you at least alluded to, 223 and 556 cases are the same dimensionally and do not vary by the 223 or 556 headstamp...they can/do however vary by who manufactures the cases.

@johnq.public5911 Год назад

I solved the "problem". I make the 223 and the 5.56 brass the same length as the reloading books call for the 223 case length. I have been shooting for years and have had NO PROBLEMS.

@robertmurdock9750 Год назад

I've heard that you shouldn't shoot 5.56 in custom chambered 223's with short throats.

@russellkeeling4387 Год назад

Measure the cartridges and you'll most likely find them to be the same length. They will be until you get into much heavier bullets. The main thing to consider is that most .223 barrels have slower rifling and can't stabilize bullets beyond 60 grains very well.

@jeff0nyschuk670 Год назад

I've got 2..223rem. & I have no complaints about either..1 is a 783 Rem..and the other is a 722 Rem.used to be a 222rem mag.But made into a 223rem. Both shoot very will & cheap to shoot..You don't have to looking all over for bullets either..

@josephsoltes1250 Год назад

Hey that was the excellent explanation because I got We Weatherby vanguard in caliber 223 and I tell you the bold action is very strongly built I would say much stronger than AR15 rifles, but I reload only 55 grains Bullets for my princess

@Chevsilverado 10 месяцев назад

People often say the 5.56 is loaded to a higher pressure which is generally not true. For one, you can buy loads with many different pressures for any given calibre. Also, I heard the difference in pressure commonly stated is actually caused by differing measurement methods between 5.56 and .223, and the pressures are actually pretty much the same.

@robertseafield5810 8 месяцев назад

When I checked case capacity of many types of 223/5.56, the only brass that had low capacity was the Norma brass. It was quite a bit less, so keep those separate. If you are using max loads, work them up with one type.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 8 месяцев назад

Always proper procedure to sort brass by maker and, if possible, by lot. You can also weigh each piece and sort by +/- 1 grain, although that doesn't take into count the malleability of the brass.

@CavalierTool 9 месяцев назад

Classic example of why I exclusively watch this channel by accident.

@XrayMike17plus1 9 месяцев назад

Thanks, I've seen a lot of attempts to explain .223 vs 5.56mm, and this was probably the best.

@ditchdigger93 Год назад

I have probably loaded millions of both and use them interchangeably in both rifles. Overall length is the thing. And as long as that right it really doesn't matter, and if that's too long it won't go in the magazine and function anyway. Longer bullets just need seated deeper which of course changes the powder charge and that's where the pressure difference is. As far as case capacity, I've seen military brass that has more than civilian .223 brass, if you don't load to the red line, I doubt anyone will ever have a problem with either. And load to the correct OAL. The number one pain in the butt with loading .223/.556 is the crimped in primers. Very time consuming.

@blackhawk7r221 Год назад

You are thinking with an AR mindset. They are cut long. A bolt gun reamed to true .223 will force feed a 5.56, but often won’t extract because you bury the neck brass into the lands. That tiny neck length difference between a .223 and a 5.56 means something. AR’s are deliberately sloppy for reliability. I’ve reamed plenty, and often get a deer in the headlight look when I ask them which leade or neck diameter they want. Hell, I’m looking at eight different .223 reamers on my wall right now.

@Mr3030man 9 месяцев назад

You always hear this bs, but nobody can produce a rifle that blew up.

@mikebeddingfield2144 Год назад

The 223 dose not have as much free bore as the 5.56 but ruger changed the mini to use the 5.56 even though they didn't change the barrel stamp the best way to tell is to look at the barrel closely the early 223 only rifle was much smaller between the breach and the gas block.

@letsdothis9063 Год назад

The mini14 target model is .223 only. From what I understand, the others that are stamped .223 are actually 5.56 as you stated. I just wanted to point out that the target model (at least a run of them) is the outlier.

@aaronwilcox6417 Год назад

@Let'sDoThis Good to know. I contacted ruger on this and they did advise the use of either but it's nice to know this piece if info about the outlier.

@mikebeddingfield2144 Год назад

@@letsdothis9063 the first few years that the mini was produced it was chambered for 223 then the military adopted the 556 and ruger rechamberd them to run the 556

@timvest8141 9 месяцев назад

@@mikebeddingfield2144 It has always been chambered for the .223 caliber. Only the target was chambered for the .223 Remington.

@4124301 Год назад

Another important difference is the 5.56 is loaded to higher pressures than the 223 Rem. 62,000 psi vs 55,000 psi.

@Chevsilverado 10 месяцев назад

I’ve heard the difference in pressure is actually because of differences in how they measure the pressures between NATO standards and normal commercial ammo.

@willford9205 8 месяцев назад

THE DIMENSIONS ARE DIFFERENT!!!...SHOULDERS ARE NOT THE SAME!!!! The 223 Wylde chambering mitigates the interchangability issue between 5.56 NATO and .223 Remington. IF THEY ARE SAME WHY THEN THE WYLDE

@pacificostudios 4 месяца назад

Ian McCullum, aka "Gun Jesus", has declared that he doesn't know one instance of anyone blowing up their .223 rifle with a 5.56 mm NATO cartridge. He also points out that, given all the .223 and 5.56 mm hardware that is out there, millions and millions of rifles and cartridges--all made in different factories with different tolerances--there would be a lot of wrecked guns by now if 5.56 mm NATO was a problem. He says that if you can get 5.56 mm NATO cheap, you can do a lot more dangerous things than shoot NATO-grade ammo from a civilian .223 Remington rifle. Most civilians will find .223 Remington more widely available, so the issue is moot.

@Absurdist-or7tf 2 месяца назад

I have 3 .223 Remington. They all say .223 on the barrel. Not one says 5.56. I shoot surplus and new .223 and 5.56 with no difference noticed. I have some old 5.56 55grain FMJ surplus ammo made in Thailand, made in the 1980s. That shoots so well. It is the most accurate of all the ammo I have shot. All my rifles in .223 are bolt guns.

@daveweed2765 10 месяцев назад

The 5.56 has different clambering dimensions. And the 5.56NATO runs higher pressures than .223 Rem. Think pistol ammo. You have P, +P and +P+. When the M16 was first adopted the twist rate was that of a .22 LR. 1/15. Then the M16A1 with a tighter 1/7 twist. What is a modern bolt action or semi auto in .223 Rem? 1/12 off the shelf? Clambering happens in the barrel and not the reciever. But in the case of semi autos you have the spring to think about too. But chances are you will never have a catastrophic failure firing a 5.56 NATO out of a gun stamped with .223 Rem. But... you will eventually screw it up if you shoot a lot for fun. So... fire the ammo your firearm is stamped with. Read the manual that comes with the firearm and learn the difference between ammo. Think of 5.56NATO and .357 Mag. You can safely and continously fire .223 Rem from a stamped 5.56NATO but not the other way around just like you can fire .38SPL out of a .357Mag. But you can't fire .357 Mag out of a .38SPL which would be instant failure. Not as dramatic as a revolver but eventually over time 5.56NATO will screw up a .223 Rem.

@zqryxvwschwartz7969 Год назад

I believe some of your "facts" are in error,,, the 5.56 chamber and throat dimensions were in place LONG before the military started using bullets heavier than 55 grains The 5.56 NATO cartridge (5.56 x 45mm) was derived from the 223 Remington for use in the US Military M-16 rifle. The original 55 grain bullet has been replaced over the years and the current bullet is 62 grains. Original rifles started with 20", 1:14" and later 1:12" twist barrels. Today, most military rifles are the shorter M4 design with a 14.5" barrel with a 1:7" twist rate. The faster twist rate is important for a variety of military bullet weights from 62 to 77 grains. Manufacturing, Hornady; Hornady Manufacturing. Hornady 10th Edition Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (Page 174). . Kindle Edition.

@goldwinger5434 9 месяцев назад

So much wrongness. First off the AR-15 predated the M-16. The .223 was developed from the .222 Remington specifically for the AR-15. The M-16 and M-16A1 were chambered for the .223. The M-16A2 was the first issue rifle chambered for the 5.56 NATO. Old M-16s may have been marked 5.56 mm but the issue cartridge was the same as the .223 with the lighter and short bullet than the NATO round. This is why the rifling of old M-16s is different from that of M-16A2 and later variants.

@DLN-ix6vf 8 месяцев назад

WRONG ! The 223 & 5.56 cartridge are identical even if the bullets are heavier than 60gr. I use 90 gr. in my 223 with no problem. The only difference with store bought ammo is the 5.56 has approx. 1.75gr. more powder comparing same manufacturer ie; Winchester 223 vs, Winchester 5.56. The variance is the 5.56 chamber has a longer throat and leades. The throat is longer because the slope angle is 2.5deg. vs the the 223 which is 3 deg. making the throat approx. 25k longer. There are some other slight variances but these are very small less than 1 to 2k. Hope that helps guys ?

@jamescorby6854 8 месяцев назад

Wow the fudd lore is strong here. If it’s a bullet issue then why does the m193 use a 55 grain bullet just like most bulk .223? And twist rate changes pressure? Bullet selection matters in which chamber to use? Usually I enjoy and learn from Ron’s video but this one is complete Fudd shit. Please if your this confused about 5.56 and .223 just stick to you bolt action .243 or .308 and leave it to people who ACTUALLY have real world experience. Btw ultimate reloaded did a great job explaining the true differences.

@Subtlenimbus 6 месяцев назад

I don’t think it has anything to do with longer bullets. The original 5.56x45 for the military was the m193 which is 55 grain. In the Western Powders manual, 5.56 loads max out at over 62,000 psi, and use more powder than 223 rem, which maxes at 55,000. 5.56 is definitely loaded hotter, but with it’s longer throat results in lower pressure than the bigger charge would have in a 223 chamber.

@Tailfeatherz 9 месяцев назад

Uh?...still not quite right. The 5.56 started with 55 gr. Heavy bullets didnt come along until the 80's and it started at Camp Perry during my time shooting there. 5.56 brass has a longer neck. Shoot some factory 223 and shoot some 5.56 and measure the brass afterwards. 5.56 brass is usually 4-5-6 thousands longer. It isnt the bullet that is the problem. Jamming a longer neck into a 223 chamber is the issue.

@terryfowler6090 9 месяцев назад

Totally wrong. My m16a1 fired 55grain bullets. The difference is the 5.56 is slightly longer than the. 223. If you fire 5.56 in a .223 you risk excessive pressure. You can safely shoot .223in a 5.56.

@suzieq2193 9 месяцев назад

I don't shoot military type ammo out of my varmit rifle, and I don't shoot light, 40 grain tnt out of a semi auto rifle. Most common, modern hunting/sporting rifles are chambered for, and the barrel twist rate, is for 55 grain ammo. High twist rates and fast bullet speeds don't work, they come apart from the force, and heavy bullets with low twist rates tumble in flight. Balance is the key. Look up the specs on .222, 221 Fireball etc. vs m855. The bullet weight is the key.

@katrinadarling3271 9 месяцев назад

I don’t disagree with any of what you said, but I have two thoughts 1) I have never seen any documented case where someone had a problem from firing a 5.56 in a 223 chambered gun. Perhaps I’ve been willfully blind. I can’t believe it hasn’t happened with the popularity of this caliber. 2) Solid copper bullets are becoming increasingly popular in all calibers. It seems to me this would cause all kinds of issues because a copper bullet with the same weight as a led bullet are going to be longer. So, there must be something more to the story than a 70 grain length 556 bullet in a 223 chambered gun. What’s going to happen if someone puts a longer copper 223 bullet in this same gun? Are we going to tell people not to shoot copper bullets?

@joewayne1982 5 месяцев назад

The difference between chamber tolerances in 5.56 and 223 barrels from manufacturer to manufacturer, hell even within the same manufacturer...there is no danger in shooting a 556 in a 223 barrel unless you are buying the cheapest gun in the world and have a very undersized 223 chamber and even then still i cant see there ever being a issue. I have never heard or seen anyone have a critical failure shooting 556 in 223 chamber it is virtually impossible Sammi specs are very conservative for a reason and when they test pressures they purposefully make the test barrel chamber undersized to make it worst case scenario. the 223 chamber will give you better accuracy having a slightly tighter chamber and i mean in the 1000 of inch tighter but then again most 556 chambers it depends on the worker reaming them that day at the factory. if you for some reason have a AR with a 223 barrel shoot some 556 and inspect your spent brass ... and blown primers or bulges ??? if not you are fine haha i already know you wont have problem hell anyone who reloads will tell you factory ammo is weak compared to what you can push before seeing pressure issues. and we are talking 223/556 hahahaha this isnt a long action magnum for goodness sakes people. i feel sorry for the Ron Guy to have to make a video for liability purposes so he wouldnt be sued ..

@McDanielRanch Год назад

Ron just say it was a 223 wyld 🎉😂

@youtubecensorseverythingIsay 9 месяцев назад

Just discovered your Chanel and thoroughly enjoyed your explanation, id previously been told that the .223 was introduced to allow troops tol "retrieve" ammunition from deceased enemy

@elycraig2802 8 дней назад

The rifling is the only difference 1956-1972 223 M16 M16A M16A1 223. 1 in 12 vs 1 in 7 5.56 M16A2 etc 1976< Present

@Incapacitator99 Год назад

Good explanation

@justsumname 10 месяцев назад

5.56 is factory loaded at a higher pressure than civi 223. Thats all. Some handloaders have found LC brass to be thicker than some commercial brass. That is all. If you are worried, dont fire 5.56 in a 223 chamber.

@kurtbogle2973 Год назад

It's impossible to be wrong on something which one has no opinion on!

@dennisgray7509 11 месяцев назад

Wrong again Ron! The major difference is the 5.56 is loaded to a higher pressure! Loading manuals even state this with a caution about using 5.56 in older .223 rifles!

@Sparks00psn 7 месяцев назад

0:22 lemme stop you right there. C.I.P., europes version of SAAMI, says they’re exactly the same thing. So ima roll with that.

@George-tz1cv 2 месяца назад

Different chamber dimensions. That’s why they came up with a Wilde chamber.

@CavalierTool 9 месяцев назад

Well you are certainly no engineer. This is a classic example of a parrot repeating something he heard even though he does not understand what the words actually mean. Since you are ignorant of physics, just admit it and step away from the conversation.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 9 месяцев назад

User, perhaps you should identify who you are calling a parrot here so we don't all get insulted at once.

@CavalierTool 9 месяцев назад

@@RonSpomerOutdoors No, its ok, you are free get insulted. The worst part of you not knowing what you are talking about is that you don't even know it.

@harrypeterson9287 8 месяцев назад

Really all it boils down to safety wise lies between the case mouth and rifled section of the bore. Just a spot for the bullet to jump ahead unimpeded by constriction and rifling. This means a higher powder charge can be used in a 5.56 chamber while maintaining acceptable peak pressure levels. With identical ammo, a proper .223 chamber will produce higher chamber pressures than a proper 5.56 chamber. 5.56x45 can be loaded hotter while not exceeding pressure limits if fired in a 5.56 chamber. That's what he seems to miss here.

@CavalierTool 8 месяцев назад

@@harrypeterson9287 SHOW ME ONE RIFLE THAT CHANGES THE BULLET SEATING DEPTH WHEN A ROUND IS CHAMBERED AND YOU MAY HAVE A POINT. Short of that you are FOS. Be careful not to confuse the pressure values as measured using different units of measure. Like asking what is bigger 1 inch or 25.4 mm. If you don't know what a mm is you will jump to the wrong conclusion, just like everyone who thinks there's a difference between 5.56 and 223. If you can show me one rifle that will change the bullet seating depth of either round when chambered, we can talk about that. Misinterpreting pressure values and microscopic clearance dimensions is meaningless.

@5jjt 4 месяца назад

Ive always thought any extra pressures would have just slung the bullet faster instead of dismantling the gun.

@carliedejarnett5022 7 месяцев назад

Mixed brass actually shot a better group in a handloder article in the magazine on tge 308 only change was the brasd not powder or primer

@BigRiggzPits 6 месяцев назад

They also make 223 Wylde now which is designed to run 5.56

@hammerheadms Год назад

6 0f 1, half dozen of the other... Seating depth, primer pocket, annealed/not annealed, different pressures....... I mean, c'mon! It's all the same, right?

@kylelaw7210 11 месяцев назад

But how many people have had a problem shooting 5.56 out of a .223?

@MichaelKusugak 2 месяца назад

Whatever happened to the Lyman manual? It was the best reloading manual I had ever used.

@lfw641 Год назад

Sounds like you get hate mail from the same newbies that think they are smart for insisting people say mag instead of clip.

@EnergizerTX 9 месяцев назад

Ummm, not accurate, they are not the same. Dimensions are a little different, mainly around the neck.

@stevenanderson6658 Год назад

If it was 223 creedmoor ronny boy would tell u it would kill hippos at one mile.

@longbellycaster 8 месяцев назад

I wonder if you can even get a true short and tight freebore 223 in a production rifle anymore?

@ChrisRand-gf7lz Год назад

When I was looking at rifles, I was told if I had to choose, get one that 's chambered for 223 and 5.56 NATO, not just a a 5.56 NATO. They said this was because that while the 5.56 generates a higher chamber pressure due to a larger powder load, but due to being a NATO round this is standardized and will never exceed the pressure and powder load. But the .223 has no upper limit standard and can theoretically, either by hand-loading or from the factory, have a larger than NATO powder load and therefore generate more pressure. So ultimately they said to go with the .223 chambered rifle as they were beefier due to the chance of potentially seeing pressures and powder loads greater than normal and even exceeding the NATO. That was overly complicated to me, so I went with a Winchester XPR chambered in .270 Winchester.

@superoblivionbread Год назад

I pretty much ONLY shoot 55 grain .223 in my rifle-length, 1 in 7 twist AR rifle without any issue and as good (or, usually, better) accuracy than the 5.56mm stuff. I suspect it is partly a product of quantity versus quality. This is conjecture, but it seems that most NATO stuff is cheaper and pumped out in volume, but .223 hunting cartridges are (hopefully) built with the same old-fashioned and reliable one shot, one kill mentality as any other cartridge--with an appropriately matching price tag. I suppose someone makes 5.56mm NATO stuff with the bullets and precision I'm looking for, but if .223 Remington is on the shelf at the gun store, .223 Remington is what I'm going to buy. The old adage of only using the caliber the rifle is chambered for is obviously the safest bet, especially with that old .223 Remington bolt gun, but I haven't discovered any real reason to shy away from launching .223 from a 5.56 chamber. I intend to reload .223 using .223 data for my 5.56 rifle, too, now that primers and powders are slowly coming back in stock.

@ecobasetech4558 Год назад

Why did you not even mention the .223 "wylde"? That is a chamber designation from my understanding that is based on .223 but has been modified to accept 5.56 and does so in a way that makes both calibers more accurate. .223 wylde can handle 5.56; I know this because I bought an Aero Precision upper (and BCM lower) for my AR-15 build and I just recently took it to the range and successfully fired 5.56 through it.

@johnwolf1475 25 дней назад

so end result-- you have no dea what you talking about

@nadien1958 Год назад

actually you were correct. The guy saying they are different doesn't know what he is talking about. The 223 Remington in "METRIC" measurement is 5.56x45. The addition of the word "NATO" does one thing and only one thing -- it limits the round to "ONLY" those that are loaded for military use, hence no hollow points as per the Geneva Convention as well as other limitation on the bullet that can be used.

@CutbankOutdoors Год назад

If people are worried about the Zombies ammo resupply scenario, I used to fire high velocity 5.56 in a Savage 4x4 bolt gun 223 chamber and nothing bad happened. 🤗 I'm more responsible now and wouldn't unless I buy a 223 Wylde chamber.

@dougbarlow3010 8 месяцев назад

How in the CZ 223 carbine CZ USA states the you can shoot 556 with no problem. There are some exceptions. However I am a big fan of Ron Spomer and will always listen to his advice. Hmmm. I’ve heard somewhere, “so it is written, so let it be done” Yul Brenner quote😳😳🤔

@guardianminifarm8005 Год назад

Fun conversation. Thank you.

@lavanice Год назад

I can fire both without any issue with my Tikka 223

@joem3524 9 месяцев назад

In 2016 I purchased my AR-15, chambered in 5.56 - for two specific reasons. First, no ammo-suitability problem and second it was actually cheaper (at that time, anyway) than a similar model chambered in .223 (win-win!).

@MR619Can Год назад

308 win vs 7.62x51 NATO now......🤓

@farmerdude3578 9 месяцев назад

My ar180 was made for the 55 gr bullet. Stoner put this up for military adoption. I believe the 556 was later in military service not right away. Not sure but i believe the first m16 was also designed for a 55. Or 223 rem.