The TOP 19 Straight Walled Cartridges Compared

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In this video, I talk about the top straight-walled cartridges, compare the new competition to the established cartridges, and determine the BEST cartridges for several different categories.
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@kurtbogle2973 Год назад

Straight wall cartridges. As far as a pistol cartridges. The 44 mag works wonderful on Deer. Better than it has any right to. Elmer Keith did a good job designing that round.

@GaCracker69 Год назад

Left out the .444 Marlin. One of the best straight wall cartridges for hammering whitetails. I use a handloaded 265gr Hornady FP for my go-to whitetail load.

@doublel7337 Год назад

I agree, at 11:07, the 444 marlin is on his list. Evidently he removed it off on his later list. I have a T/C Contender in 444 that was a 44 magnum, but was sent back to SSK / JDJ and re-chambered. Also have a Marlin Outfitter chambered in 444.

@Sman7290 Год назад

That's because the case length is 2.25". The maximum case length we can use is 1.8". The .444 Marlin is a great cartridge, but we can't use it in lower Michigan, and if I'm going north, I'm taking a .30-06 or .308 rather than a short range rifle.

@doublel7337 Год назад

@@Sman7290 I live in WV, so I don't have to worry. I never measured a 444 case, but I would think it is shorter than a 45/70. I own both in Contenders. I always hunted with the .308. Thanks for the reply !

@drainwil 11 месяцев назад

@@Sman7290not all straight wall states limit cartridge length. It's a shame that some do, because the .444 is the best choice IMO, especially with the Leverevolution ammo.

@GaCracker69 9 месяцев назад

@@Sman7290 Dont have that issue here in South Alabama. .444 is supreme hunting in the river swamps for deer and hogs.

@Dale37 Год назад

You said it best towards the end. People are belly aching about these new cartridges. Just be thankful that we have the opportunity to choose between all of these fine options.

@doctortabby Год назад

Exactly. Don't like or want one of the new options? Don't buy one, and use what you like. I wish everything were that easy. 🙂

@justadbeer Месяц назад

@@doctortabby - yup, we vote with our wallets.

@eagerweevil6221 Год назад

I bought a 350 legend during the virus in past years, and I use it for everything. The rifle was cheap, and the ammo is as well. I love mine

@91jonbob Год назад

I love mine as well but as soon as it got popular the ammo price skyrocketed here in Texas. Great round for hogs.

@eagerweevil6221 Год назад

@Jonathan Head that kinda sucks its still pretty reasonable here in Arkansas, but it has gone up

@TheMcpvideo Год назад

I've definitely been looking at the 350 legend rifle ✌️ seems to be a little more accurate than the 300 black out 👍

@PassivePortfolios Год назад

The 350 Legend is a winner and cheap ammo is widely available in Florida. It's highly popular in Ohio, a straight wall cartridge state. Bolt action rifles are cheap and accurate, and the round does not kick much. What more can you ask for?

@garypollard9770 Год назад

I built me an AR STYLE RIFLE IN THE .350 legend and I love this gun!

@GabrielHart Год назад

As an IL deer hunter, I love the attention you've given to these new straight wall cartridges. But since they're replacing slug guns for us, I would have loved to see a comparison to 12 & 20 ga slugs.

@doctortabby Год назад

It would be fun to see. However, I switched from my 870 slug gun, using the lightfield hybrid slugs to using the 350 legend in 2019, and I will never look back.

@JJ-qy8xu Год назад

Ah! Now there is a good point . And which slugs are they all the same? I don't think many would like to compare their center fire straight wall of choice against the remington accutip bonded slug. Except it isn't actually available I've been trying to get some for two yrs.

@maynardcarmer3148 Год назад

@@JJ-qy8xu For years, I used a Savage 220 slug gun, shooting the Remington 3" AccuTip, and it was dynamite on deer. Now, I hunt in a county that allows rifles, and I use a .375 Win. in the brush and a .308 for everywhere else. Getting bullets for the .375 is the problem, but I did locate a source for them. I don't yet know how well they will shoot out of my M94.

@DasGoodSoup Год назад

Slugs out of a 12ga can take a charging grizzly down if you hit it in the chest that 450 bushmaster will need a nice shot to the heart lung area or just magdump your ar into its chest

@derekbeyers8804 Год назад

I took a doe late season this past January(illinois 1st rifle season ever) 200 yards best performance yet. Also took a 10pt with a ar pistol opening day and my brother did. Both at 150 yards no tracking required. 350 legend handloads are the best. Can't say much for factory.

@evanwest1929 Год назад

.375 Winchester. Such a handy and capable rifle to ease your way through the deer woods.

@ronsamborski6230 Год назад

Ron Spomer comes through again with common sense gun and ammunition information we can all use. Thanks, Ron. 👍🏽

@danhughes3626 Год назад

What would 460 in encore energy at 200yds

@RonSpomerOutdoors Год назад

Thank you, Ron.

@chrisdaniel1339 Год назад

@@danhughes3626 Ron Spomer really shorted the 460 S&W, with hot ammo from Underwood, Buffalo Bore, Double Tap, etc or handloads the 460 is the power house of any of the straight wall cartridges he mentioned and with a 1.8" case length and 45 cal bullet it fits the straight wall restrictions. Underwood has a load that produces 2,886 ft.lbs of ME in a pistol barrel, if that load was put in a T/C Encore with a 26" barrel it would be a seriously heavy hitter running neck and neck with hot 45-70 govt loads. I did a longer comment on this video with even more details about the 460 if you are interested.

@danhughes3626 Год назад

@@chrisdaniel1339 I want to see it

@driverjamescopeland Год назад

Definitely hard to argue with raw numbers.

@Andrew-jm4tp Год назад

I choose to hunt with 450 Bushmaster when I am in thick woods in Montana. Never had to track a deer or a bear. I don't use the 450 for hunting open country.

@nathanhatcher7096 Год назад

I'm a 308 guy and don't live in a State that has requirements of just straight wall cartridges only, but I do enjoy grabbing my daughter's 350 legend and sitting in the stand with it! I had my doubts bout it, but it has proven many times to be very good choice for deer medicine in SC! So for a daddy's gun I'm rooting for the new 400 legend!

@johna2008 Год назад

Like a 30-30 for the AR. If I didn't already have a marlin 336 I'd get the 350 legend

@coldandaloof7166 Год назад

Here in Ohio I love using my 45/70, but My daughters .357 mag is a handy dandy little rifle that works just as good at the ranges we hunt at. I have had deer run off a little ways with both. And some that dropped on the spot with both.

@ericc3327 Год назад

For 357 mag/max the numbers were handgun numbers. In a rifle both get a lot closer to 30-30, neither gets there, but much more reasonable. 44 gets similar benefits of too.

@scottrussell6717 Год назад

I had the 444 years ago.. fantastic deer rifle.. every deer I shot never took a step... I loved it way more then the 06 .. 270 ect I had.. the 444 was the 1st rifle I would grab

@patrickhenry236 Год назад

444 is what I put my vote to. It's a handloaders dream, and based on capability is the best all around North American straight wall cartridge.

@kdmag8858 Год назад

With a case length of 2.225 it's not an option for some straight wall only states due to length restrictions.

@cbsbass4142 Год назад

@@kdmag8858 Who needs those states and their non-sensical rules.

@scottrussell6717 Год назад

@KDMag 88 yeah but sure hammers deer.. shot many with mine.. none took a step.. shot a doe in the chest directly facing me at 40 yards... came out her butt...I loaded the 240 gr xtp... it was a deer killer

@patrickhenry236 Год назад

@@kdmag8858 yes it is. Not all states have a length limit on straight walls, Ohio being an example. Don't assume. At least take the bare minimum to look up what you are commenting on, or in the case of the nature of your comment reach out to the original poster to find out what context he is making his comment under first.

@patrickhenry236 Год назад

For all of North America, the 444 is probably the best cartridge of the staightwalls. If you hunt in eastern states in wooded areas or keeping your shots within 150 yards a lever action 44 magnum is the best option.

@alonzahanks1182 Год назад

if you dont break all the blood vessels in your head,

@patrickhenry236 Год назад

@@alonzahanks1182 recoil impulse from the 444 isn't strong enough to do that. Unless you are seconds away from an aneurysm anyway.

@alonzahanks1182 Год назад

@@patrickhenry236 I was blowing up boulders with realy big slugs and having fun. with a marlin 444 but had to keep going because we were building rock walls out of them After 80 rounds my nose wouldnt stop bleeding at 60 i felt like somebody was hitting me with a base ball bat I made my dad buy a muzzle brake

@patrickhenry236 Год назад

@@alonzahanks1182 that's not the 444's fault. That one's on you. There is a kid where I work who has kleenex hanging out his nose every other day because he gets nose bleeds during the spring and summer even if he sits still in a chair. I've been shooting the 444 for over 20 years, and have never bled from doing so. That was your own body having an issue, not the rifle.

@Mark-uq9km 4 месяца назад

I agree. I think the trip4 is the finest lever action round ever produced. It is an all around great caliber capable of taking any and all North American game and would be a reasonable option in Africa, too, if loaded with the proper bullet. I prefer the shorter range weapons. I am not in favor of the hunter shooting game at extreme ranges. To me, that is not hunting. I am not judging long range shooters, I just think hunting is a short range endeavor requiring a different skill from that of doping your equipment/data to hit game at 700 yards.

@ZakHancock Год назад

Love my Henry Big Boy .357. Here in Ohio it’s pretty easy to get within 125 yards of anything you need to shoot, so it is the one I take into the woods every time!

@nathanstrickland6508 Год назад

I'm a 45-70 guy myself. Absolutely love that round.

@ChaotiX1 6 месяцев назад

150 years old and still going. making a big comeback actually, its a lot more popular today than it was 10-20 years ago.

@DES2nd9512 6 месяцев назад

@@ChaotiX1indeed it has made quite the comeback. It's resurged popularity has really pushed manufacturers to design new lever guns. as well as redesign old models.

@pottyputter05 4 месяца назад

Surprisingly versatile round, stops the biggest bear in a scout rifle package that bush pilots swear by and can be used on mule deer down to whitetail etc.

@brianschumaker5912 Месяц назад

I'm with ya on that one.

@zechnarwilliams8019 Год назад

You sir are still my favorite gun commentator to watch, Keep them coming sir! Love listening to you, Peace and Grace!

@RonSpomerOutdoors Год назад

Many thanks, Zechnar.

@Threegunmaster Год назад

I've got a 20 inch barrel Bushmaster AR in 450 Bushmaster and its absolutely amazing. I shoot it at ranges up 250 yards and its performance for me has been perfect. Absolutely hammers game. Thanks Ron for another great video.

@taylorjackson7908 Год назад

100% agreement! Mine shoots so well I wouldn’t consider another caliber.

@jts1234 11 месяцев назад

getting one

@MarkusHeimy 10 месяцев назад

I just bought one. I took it to the range and it kicks like a mule. After I finetune my scope, I think it will be a very nice addition to the collection.

@pitchforkpeasant6219 9 месяцев назад

Ill light load the 450 for target shooting. Test different projectiles on different materials too. Pure zinc is a bitch to mould but expands a bit on steel and easier on the barrel than copper. Just under an inch on backside of a 20 lb propane can😊

@joecoastie99 28 дней назад

I have an SBR and plan to hunt with a 10.5” barrel and a form 1 can. Been hunting with 6.5 Grendel and it does the job but it lacks in the umph department and doesn’t hit with any great authority. I found 9 boxes of 450 bushmaster on clearance at Walmart and bought 80 rounds for under $100. Time to buy an AR upper. 😂

@TheJeep1967 Год назад

Just based on the numbers the 400 Legend looks like the sweet spot to me. Flatter shooting, more than adequate energy for deer at 200 yards, and manageable recoil.

@drdes9609 Год назад

I built a 350 legend AR. I was honestly shocked how limited the recoil was and it feeds flawlessly. I really like the straight wall stuff in that 100 yard mark.

@shootingatshadow Год назад

Those setups have been becoming popular in Texas for hog culling.

@fwaynedavis Год назад

Same here! This thing is a sewing machine smooth, plenty of knock-down for pigs, more than enough for White-tail with fast dispatch inside 200 yards. I'm very pleased with the round.

@jordanhicks5131 Год назад

I have no problem reaching out to 200 with my 350L AR build, knocks the absolute snot outta hogs.

@drdes9609 Год назад

@@jordanhicks5131 hammer bullets made a 130g option I bet just the velocity increase will really help at 200 yards.

@michaelcote1942 Год назад

@@jordanhicks5131 Keep knocking those hogs down.

@Trumplican Год назад

i love that you know what point blank actually means most people think it means right up close.

@larryschmidt3594 Год назад

Another great video Ron, I hunt Northern Minnesota, thick woods. I have a 30-30, 270 and a couple other deer rifles. Two years ago I built a 450 Bushmaster AR fantastic gun just to noisy racking in that first round so I bought a Ruger bolt action 450 Bushmaster. Have crushed 2 deer with them, this past year a 10 pt 217 pound buck, dressed out and after hanging for 5 days. My new favorite woods gun.

@BigRooster616 Год назад

As always Ron . You put out great videos and good information. I'm in Michigan and have been a Handgun 44 Magnum hunter for the last 20+ Years . I have now moved to the Winchester 92 in 44 Magnum for hunting. The 44 Magnum is capable of taking all game available in Michigan. My go too Rifle is a Winchester 94 in 30/30 . Not a lot of difference till you go out past 100 yards . If I was a young man . Just starting out in hunting and firearm collecting. I think I would start with a Henry 360 Buckhammer . You got a little more power & energy over the great 30/30 and you can use it in the straight wall cartridge states . God bless brother. Ron

@dubltap7216 Год назад

Thanks for the excellent comparison. I just picked up a 450 Bushmaster but not for the usual reasons. I live in the northern plains of MT where most of my shots at deer are 250-500yds. I use a 270WSM for that. I was looking to find a pistol caliber carbine in 45 cal. After much research I decided to go with the Bushmaster. A lot more power and energy than the 45acp and actually cheaper to build in a AR platform than the 45acp.

@firstjohn3123 9 месяцев назад

That's why a chose the 454 Casull. A Puma lever action & a Ruger or Freedom Arms revolver.

@pitchforkpeasant6219 9 месяцев назад

Nice to have one bullet mould for handgun and rifle rounds. Can mould zinc too for any anti lead laws which is cheaper and easier on your barrel than copper is. Will still expand some depending on velocity too. Saeco #945. Zinc is a bitch to size but doable. 45acp non gas checked can still send em 850 plus fps. Gas checked and lubed for 450B. 😊

@jtag5432 Год назад

The 460SW from a TC encore 16" is objectively the best of the bunch, but it goes unmentioned

@tonydalimata Год назад

45-70 getting my vote , but realistically the 38-55/375 Winchester is the more practical rifle , and the 44mag is also a superior utility cartridge

@jaydunbar7538 Год назад

Like he said thought that’s a bench mark of performance, it’s not legal for the places that are limited to straight wall cartridges.

@ExF1Guy Год назад

@@jaydunbar7538 They should all be legal in states that only have the straight wall restriction. Not every jurisdiction has the length limitation afaik.

@cbsbass4142 Год назад

@@jaydunbar7538 Peoples fault for voting in people with rules restricting their hunting firearms

@markjohnson206 Год назад

@@cbsbass4142the people who hunt aren’t the people who vote to restrict access to hunting or firearms. They just happen to live in the same state as urban know nothings who vote in droves on issues they don’t understand.

@tomschrein417 Год назад

When I want less recoil I shoot reduced loads with my 450 Marlin. Still plenty of power for deer out to about 150 yds. Very versatile round if you load em yourself.

@mattvg1776 Год назад

I really would have been interested in some more info and comparisons to the ole .444 Marlin. I don't think it would have a case length short enough to qualify for what some other newer straight-walled cartridges do, but it has been around a long time and performs really well. Another outstanding cartridge (and perhaps the greatest handgun cartridge of all time, imo) to consider is the .41mag.

@JamesJones-cx5pk Год назад

The 444 wins. Its flatter than a 45-70. With the right bullet its unbeatable.👍

@tomemida Год назад

I love my .444. Leverevolution 265 gr load is a deer killer. Hopefully, we'll be able to find more soon.

@drainwil 11 месяцев назад

.444 with Leverevolution ammo is superior to everything he mentioned. Only limiting factor is some states that might limit cartridge length. But luckily my state doesn't have a maximum cartridge length for straight wall rounds.

@danapicray9040 10 месяцев назад

The 444 is really limited in bullet selection

@pitchforkpeasant6219 9 месяцев назад

@@danapicray9040mould your own bullets

@joeybobbie1 Год назад

Great Video, Thank You for posting the Charts also. I was wishing you had the .45 Colt just to see what it compares too. Thanks again.👍👍

@nowherespecial6780 Год назад

I have the 350 legend and the 450 bushmaster I use them for deer hunting in Maine. And In my opinion 100% 350 legend fills the role of that old Thirty Thirty Which is taken more dear in the United States probably than any other Rifle . I absolutely love watching your videos it's great to be able to learn and have knowledge of these things. Keep up a good work

@vcrudelejr Год назад

I have a Ruger American Ranch in .450 Bushmaster topped with a Burris Compact 2x7x32mm scope. It's a 1 MOA rifle with Hornady Black 250 grain bullets. It's my truck / camp / drift boat rifle in bear territory. It's a great combo and very compact. I was very impressed with the .450 bullet accuracy with factory ammo.

@JimmyDickens1 Год назад

I second this. I have the exact same rifle (with Leupold scope) and mine is a total tack driver as well. Surprisingly accurate to be honest!

@pitchforkpeasant6219 9 месяцев назад

Load your own you can dial that recoil down a bit. Testing pure zinc projectiles since softer and cheaper than copper. Nice using one bullet mould for pistol and rifle

@joshuanessa8222 2 месяца назад

I have the same setup, except a leupold as well. Tack driver! Have shot several animals with it and only had to track one buck because it went into thick brush. They either drop where they stand, or crash about 50 yards or less from where they were shot.

@brucegreen4359 Год назад

Excellent job on analyzing these cartridges I think 350 400 and 458 bushmaster, are very popular or will because of AR use in hunting

@patrioticguy1791 Год назад

I live in Indiana and someone created a wild cat several years ago called the 358 Hoosier. It was basically a 35 Remington trimmed-down to 1.80" overall case length. Same bullets, same powder charge, same everything. We did not have a straight wall limitation but we did have an overall case length limitation. As of a few years ago, all centerfire rifles .243 diameter and larger but excluding a 50 BMG are allowed in Indiana.

@jameshibbard1097 Год назад

Yes .243 and up for private land, but we still have other limitations on public land. That's why I use a .50Beowulf or .44mag.

@lucasvaughn629 Год назад

That is only on private property if you are hunting on public land then you still have to use the limited cartages. I usually stick to my 500S&W magnum seems to work quite well

@jamesbyers7169 Год назад

.357 handgun for 50 yards and rifle for 100 in S.Indiana

@richardt3744 Год назад

Seriously the 38-55 Winchester is a great round and is also accepted in the "shotgun" states. It is also one of the best shooting straightwall rounds ever. It was also known as the 38-55 Ballard and was used in shooting competitions due to the light recoil and accuracy. It is available in Buffalo Boar Ammo for modern firearms and will definitely take out a deer or bear without issue.

@lynnrodman8954 Год назад

My old Winchester is a 381 bore so I have to cast and hand load.

@the41shootist Год назад

Isn’t this cartridge over the legal length of 1.8” allowed in the “shotgun “ states?

@mikerobinson6606 Год назад

@the41shootist it is in Michigan but it seems like some states included it and the 45/70gov

@demetriuscooksey7147 Год назад

Along with the more modern, and ever-so-slightly more potent 375 Winchester.

@balrog006 9 месяцев назад

It is and this not allowed in good ol’ Michigan -yea!

@hutehund9519 Год назад

This was pure gold for a ballistics nerd like me. Thanks Ron!

@briangunkel3735 Год назад

Keep it up with the straightwalls. Even us hunting out in Western Washington State are digging the info! When I see all my deer at 30 yards or less and 350 legend in a single shot is a pure joy to reload (and shoot 9mm bullets through on range day to save a few bucks) videos like these make the 5pm beer taste that much better to cool off with. Keep it up Ron, you da man

@derekbeyers8804 Год назад

I started handloading the 350 legend couple years ago. 22" barrel. 170gr barnes at 2450fps, barnes 180gr ttsx at 2300fps, 200gr barnes ttsx at 2200fps(.36 BC) 250gr at 1850fps. And still testing. Not to mention a 147gr fmj at over 2600fps. It's a very versatile cartridge. I like the 450 bushmaster for up front energy but for deer it's not needed, but very effective.

@apothiconservant5288 Год назад

How did you get 250 gr to go 1850fps? I have to try that

@darrellrobinson6200 Месяц назад

Love my 450 bushmaster..got goats, huge deer and elk. About 14 hogs for farmers in Texas and Mo.. and got deer at 360 yards.

@timbaskett6299 Год назад

I live in Idaho, so not a straight wall restricted state, but my favorite straight wall is my .45 Colt. Mainly because of the variety of ammo I can shoot in it without reloading. I have a Rossi M92 16in carbine and a cartridge converted Remington reproduction 1858 "Sheriff" in .45 Colt. My "bottleneck" cartridge of choice is the 6.5x55mm Swedish.

@geoffreyjohnston6483 Год назад

Fellow Idahoan! You've hit the ideal cartridge with the all around Swede. I've got relatives that shot 45Colt out of .410 and ate when times were hard in prr Depression days.

@hoosierdaddy2308 Год назад

My son has a rossi rifle in 45 colt I think and he loves it.

@chrisdaniel1339 Год назад

If I could only have one rifle it would be chambered in 6.5x55, The Swedes designed a great all around cartridge

@indiancreek1570 Год назад

1894 marlin Cb 45 colt works great for 50/75 yards, especially when loaded with 20gr of 2400, and a 255 gr SWC

@sgtslaughter54 Год назад

I live my 357 for deer in Southern Michigan. I don't really have an opportunity for much more than 150 in the deer woods around here so the drop at 200 is a bit less than I deal with, but I've taken plenty with good, ethical shots. As a bonus, with 38's it's a great gun for teaching folks how to shoot. I've got a suppressor on it (the barrel was already threaded so why not) so there's nothing scary about it.

@markoharoldoronearmedpoohb7816 Год назад

I stand corrected, on my comments, I watched again! I will say that I’m impressed with the 350 Legend, I built two uppers in 350, and have been impressed with the little cartridge, since my stroke recoil is not good for me, and the AR with the 350 is very, very manageable! I do not think there has been a better deer caliber then a .35, very underrated, one of my favorite rifles is a 350 RemMag, if you reload, you could hunt North America with little issue!

@Roninx1980 Год назад

Glad to see you finally give some love to the .450 Bushmaster. I’ve been impressed by its performance since I’ve been hunting with mine and was able to get it in the AR platform which I’m a fan of. 1/2” groups at 100. Tons of energy at 100-150 yards which is the max distance I hunt in Mid Michigan. Thanks again for finally including it in the straight wall debate. I knew it would perform well.

@adksport4023 Год назад

Shot a buck with one broadside and it ruptured the diaphragm even though I took a good dbl lung shot towards the shoulder. Ended up with a nasty gutting job and had to trim a bunch of tainted meat by the time I got it out of the woods. It was my last deer with a .450 bushmaster. Went back to what wasn't broken from before.

@Roninx1980 Год назад

@@adksport4023 I took a big doe last year. 155 lbs dressed. 150 yards pass through. Heart, liver shredded. Brisket was mush. 🤷🏽‍♂️

@nataliedeyton6829 Год назад

I ahot a nice buck with my 20 inch barrel ar 450 bushmaster… was a high hit broke the back and broke the sternum and ribs .. made a 10 inch hole across the top 😳 450 is a 45/70 in a ar platform

@TexasSheepdawg21 Год назад

I’ve had 30-06 turn deer insides into jelly with the Nosler Ballistic tip 150 grain bullets. It’s all about bullet placement. But I think Hornady needs to think about changing the design of their 250 grain FTXs. They are not bonded and the jacket is a shade too thin. The bullets shed their jackets too quickly and dump their energy too quickly. But if you reload, you can find a better bullet for deer and elk.

@michaelbradley770 11 месяцев назад

@@TexasSheepdawg21that is the reason I am not shooting hornady out of my 450 this year trying out the barnse tsx and Winchester xp

@orr89rocz Год назад

458 win mag is becoming one of my fav rounds. So versatile with handloading. I have 300 gr at 2200 fps for a nice mild deer load. 400 gr at 2000 as well.

@jasonlommen4769 10 месяцев назад

300gr@2200 fps for a nice mild deer round…😂 ok 🤪

@walthall9234 Год назад

As usual Ron this was an informative article. I would have added some things to it but in all, it was very good. One thing you passed up on is the 350, and 400 Legend cartridges as well as the 450 Bushmaster and 50 Beowulf were designed for AR 15 platform rifles. The majority of hunters using those cartridges use AR platform rifles, especially hog hunters. Also, AR platform rifles shoot softer than say most lever or bolt guns, and second-shot recovery is far less time-wise. One thing you didn't cover however is the availability of ammo. 450 Bushmaster is everywhere as is the 340 Legend, the rest is little to none as in the case of the 50 Beo and the 400 L, and the 458 Socom and 360 Buckhamer ammo almost don't exist. All in all the 450 BM is my favorite brush rifle and I live in Oregon, for hogs, it's the 6.8 SPC.

@norbertodisummo5022 Год назад

I would like your opinion on the 6.8 seens like is one of your favorites. On a 16.5 and 18 inch what the report would compare to ? I got this semi rural area that my shots would be no more than 200 yrds how would the report compare to a 30-30 , .243 or even a 6.5 Grendal ? I load 130 gr spitzers on the 30-30 and due Ok but that 6.8 is one that i would like to try. Ideally i would consider 130 grainers at a moderate velocity on the 6.8 to keep my favorite .270 bullets

@benjamincooper8531 Год назад

Based on personal and second hand experience I can confirm that the 350 legend is a wonderful deer cartridge out to 200 yards. I'm also very excited to try out the 400 legend once it comes out.

@t-bfr45-70 9 месяцев назад

I can second that the 350 does a great job.

@t.c.f.fuller8867 6 месяцев назад

I picked up a 400 L Last year. mid season in Oh. absolutely love it.... recoil is low enough to see bullet impact (through scope) at 90 yds. The buck turned dead quartering to when i shot, i found the bullet under the hide on the opposite hip... as for group size sub 5/8" at 100 yds.

@dalekehrer2421 Год назад

357 Super Mag (Max) is still one awesome round with plenty of choices in bullet selection up to or a little past 200 gr. With speeds from 1800 to 2500 depending on bullet selection and powder charges, this round can really get the job done for a straight wall.

@RUBIZEN Год назад

Yeah my family had several pistols that used 357 max. Mainly because we had a Lee loader and we used it to load 357 max, magnum and 38 special. I am seriously looking into having a gunsmith modify a lever action to use 357 max.

@jordanhicks5131 Год назад

Obsolete cartridge, almost no one makes factory ammo and only one or two people still make guns in the caliber. 357 maximum is dead and gone

@dalekehrer2421 Год назад

@@RUBIZEN That would be a nice lever gun.

@blackout9814 Год назад

Almost no one makes factory ammo? Please point me to anyone making ammo or just brass.

@keithbelz2952 Год назад

@@blackout9814starline brass makes and sells it

@jasonsippola183 Год назад

Thanks for another informative video. It is always a surprise when numbers/facts violate traditions. Need those eye openers to make an informed decision.

@magnumcipher4971 Год назад

Good episode Ron. I’ve got a couple of these cartridges in a range of files. My favorite happens to be the .450 Bushmaster shooting a 250 grain Hornady FTX bullet in a 22” barreled, Ruger American that I’ve put in a Magpul Hunter stock. It’s a woods whitetail killer for sure. I’ve taken a coyote right at 200 yards with it and several deer. Nice big hole and would channel but nothing I’ve taken with it this far has managed to run. Thanks for all the effort you put into your content Ron. Looking forward to the next one.

@RonSpomerOutdoors Год назад

Thanks Magnum.

@cycleguy666 Год назад

I am just very happy also for all the new choices for my 45/70 . It is a wonderful round now ...... like you said the science is there and I am very grateful!!

@chrisowen5497 Год назад

I’m thankful that we don’t have those crazy cartridge restrictions here, but it is good that the industry looks out for those that do. I’ve also heard that variety is the spice of life. Great video!

@doctortabby Год назад

Indeed. I have to say, however, that these new cartridges are a God-send for those of us in said restricted states; they beat the daylights out of slug guns, IMHO.

@chadcoxthehunterchadcox8252 Год назад

The cartridge restrictions are only the southern half of lower MICHIGAN for our state, the rest of the state is high powered rifle allowed. I have shot most of my bucks with a 7mm rem mag, but since I got my 450 I haven't taken it out in the woods

@benbox7329 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for this and the numbers. I have a 44mag lever and a 350 leg . I was blown away this year I had a 60 ish yard shot with my 44. And dropped two deer with one shot . Went through both deer I was bummed because I was hoping to recover the bullet . But nope 4 holes

@archangel20031 Год назад

Ron, the 460 S&W is NOT a .458 projectile like the 45-70, its a .452 just like the 45 Long Colt and 45 ACP!

@Fuzzybeanerizer Год назад

Or maybe you are correct for modern guns/ammo, I guess bore sizes have changed or standardized over the years.

@michaelnava7580 Год назад

I use a 44. Mag lever action to hunt Axis deer here in Texas works perfect.

@louistorres4923 Год назад

Thanks Ron, very informative

@demetriuscooksey7147 Год назад

I really like my Marlin 41 Mag. 210 XTP at 1,900 fps and Sierra 170s at 2,200! I shot a forked horn (4pt Eastern) mule deer at 75 yards. One shot behind the shoulder did the trick.

@austinhuber3131 Год назад

I own a 450 bushmaster in a lightweight AR platform and I would never go into grizzly country without it. 250 grain projectiles going 2200 fps the perfect balance between heavy, fast, and manageable.

@chadcoxthehunterchadcox8252 Год назад

I love my 450 AR, taken 3 8 pt bucks so far with it...puts em down

@jerrymoran8323 Год назад

RON, Home run. Your expanded coverage gives more ammo to future discussions at the range and deer camp. With number of deer Hunters dwindling, a cartridge that has acceptable impact for most recoil conscious and small frame folks, that does the deed at

@91jonbob Год назад

Do one with the .41 magnum if you find the time. I’m curious of the numbers vs the other magnum Cartriges

@jaydunbar7538 Год назад

Not easy to find one, I didn’t even know they existed till a buddy of mine inherited one from his dad. We did find ammunition on midway USA for him so he could go out and enjoy it.

@peternorton5648 Год назад

@@jaydunbar7538 they are still around but pretty hard to find. I know a couple older guys who bought them back in the day who swear by them. The only ammo I’ve seen is online though.

@hisWACness 9 месяцев назад

Great video. I will note that using the 450BM in an AR helps reduce the felt recoil thanks to the gas system of the rifle (this would apply to the 350/400 Legend also). My 450BM upper has performed wonderfully for me on whitetail over the past 6 years or so. The new 400 Legend looks interesting, but I still see no reason to change from my 450. Keep up the great work!

@thawave4681 Год назад

Really enjoyed the longer in depth video

@kenf4837 9 месяцев назад

Ron, I really enjoy listening to you explaining about different cartridges and their characteristics, but one thing many people fail to consider energy dissipation in the animal! A friend of mine and his son use .270 Winchesters for pig hunting and they're always complaining about having to spending 2 hours or so blood trailing a pig. I figured it out for them a couple times, but they just couldn't grasp the concept! When you shoot any animal the only use of bullet energy is when it's in the animal. From where the bullet leaves the animal to wherever the bullet finally stops is wasted energy. With the velocity his bullet is traveling, if the pig was 2 feet thick, the bullet would only spend 0.0017 seconds in the animal. That bullet isn't going to dissipate very much energy in that length of time! On the other hand, I use a .300 Blackout with a 110 grain bullet! I have never had a passthrough on a pig! The biggest one I've shot, so far, we estimatedher at 350 lbs or more. She dropped like a rock. The smallest was 80 lbs, and a broadside shot, he dropped where he was standing! All the pigs I've shot have been between 80 and 120 yards. My oldest son was here last month and we went out pig hunting. I callled in one boar and my sun shot it. The two of us couldn't pick it up, don't know what it weighed, but it was a 165 yard shot, and he was laying right there waiting for us!! This was the longest shot we've made on a pig. None of these were passthrough shots, which means every ounce of energy was utilized in the body of the pig! There must be something to this! I would like to know your thoughts on it!

@rollercam351 Год назад

Great video as usual. I’ve been using the 450 bm for a few years now in an AR-platform. Packs a lot if punch!!

@brokenarrow6491 Год назад

I've shot some deer now with my 350 legend and I've been very happy with it. No recoil and it's not very loud. I hunt some spots near a landowners house and the 450 was so loud I just went with the 350. I'm glad I did.

@johnfaris309 Год назад

Great job on the vast comparisons Ron. I would have liked to see the .357 magnum numbers for a lever gun vs. a revolver, since I thought it to be closer to the 30-30. Also, I was surprised to see the .454 casual wasn’t much difference than the .44 magnum. Thanks Ron.

@thomasfurniss2026 Год назад

Look in the ammo rifle section, not pistol it is listed differently.

@hoosierdaddy2308 Год назад

Great video ! I just started watching and love this. I'm in Indiana and I'm going to use the .350 legend for several reasons. First and foremost is because it's cheap! It's effective and has similar ballistics to a .3030 and I want to use a rifle to hunt both deer and coyotes and here in Indiana that's almost always less than a 100 yards, and at the extreme 200 yards. I used to hunt with a Ruger number 1 varmint in 22.250 for ground hogs and fox and coyotes, but it was over kill and I noticed farmers who gave me permission said that the round was loud. Then I started using the .223 and that was perfect basically for groundhogs which is what I hunted with, but that left out the deer hunting and I don't like using slug guns. Not for hunting. So, the 350 legend is a perfect rifle for me. My son who's a doctor loves the 450 bushmaster because the round is good in an AR15 and he wants to hunt hogs out of state! Thanks so much for these videos Ron. I really appreciate the value you have added to my life sir ! God speed sir. Tim (South Central Indiana) The heartland. USA.

@RonSpomerOutdoors Год назад

You are welcomed, Hoosier. And good luck with all your days afield.

@hoosierdaddy2308 Год назад

@@RonSpomerOutdoors Thanks so much. ♥️

@404nitro Год назад

Great video Ron. It's a real shame the 375 Win isn't included in the states that require straight wall cartridges. It is no trick to push a 200 gr bullet to 2400-2450 fps from a 20" bbl.

@cdexter1987 Год назад

I was thinking the same

@sethtomsic8 Год назад

Or with a 458 win you can get a 500 grain projectile going 2300 fps

@404nitro Год назад

@@sethtomsic8 Not safely! You can with the 459 Lott. I know as I have owned one since before you could buy a factory made one. I have chono'd it and know that form sure. The 458 Win rounds from the same gun, loaded to the top of safe pressure levels is 200 fps less.

@l.garcia3525 Год назад

I owned a .375 Winchester 30yrs ago. Traded it for a Ruger mini30. Wish I never had. That was a Major Mod. 94 lever action you rarely if ever see anymore. 😢🥴

@404nitro Год назад

@@l.garcia3525 When I bought mine several years back, it was as new in the box with all the hang tags etc still in the box. At that time, I started seeing quite a few in very nice condition, but only a year later, we weren't seeing any, any longer. Strange how things go. All I know is I really like the one I bought and wish I had got one sooner.

@sylviajones3355 Год назад

444 Marlin with the right projectile.

@robertw.munden9210 Год назад

You got that Right!!! like 185gr. or 225gr.😉

@actionjackson1stIDF Год назад

I really like Hornady's 265 grain LEVERevolution out of my Model 444.

@adamstevenson2485 Год назад

444 Marlin. 57.8 grs Vihtavuori N120 with 200 gr XTP 2851 fps.

@thadhaines1631 Год назад

After speaking with a DNR officer about Ohios rifle regulations, i asked about the reasoning behind the bottle neck cartridge restriction. While I assumed it was going to be because projectile range, he said (unofficially) it was more for conservation purposes. This came up due to most of my property being secluded and why I couldn’t use a high power to reach across my 300+ yard field. He then told me that I could use a high power and I wouldn’t get in trouble so long as I didn’t get caught. 😅 He came to “check up” on me later that year.

@aaronwilcox6417 Год назад

Ron, forget the cartridge marketing. How bout a look at the old "Gould" bullet used in the 45-70. This truly is a legend of a cartridges and legend deer load.

@RonSpomerOutdoors Год назад

Aaron, what do you mean by cartridge marketing? I'm detailing cartridge/bullet performance potential so viewers can better understand how all compare to one another against a well known benchmark like the 30-30. I include every extant straight wall cartridge I could think of, even many for which rifles are rarely, if at all, chambered anymore. I did not favor or recommend one round against all others. I guess you could say I am "marketing" all straight walled cartridges. Sorry, Aaron, I just don't understand your position.

@pine0981 Год назад

Guys I shot a big 4 yr old buck in Ky twice at 25 yds & less with the Hornady .450 Bshmstr. 250gr ftx bullet & neither went through the deer. It has power but will not leave a blood trail.

@basrutten641 Год назад

Maybe hit the range a little more

@coastdweller Месяц назад

Yeah I'd say either you missed or just missed the blood trail. There is no way a lead free barnes ftx bullet didn't do a full pass through at that short of a range. I reload exclusively ftx or tsx bullets for all my centerfire rifles and I've never recovered one, even in Game I've shot at close to 200 yds.

@mkshffr4936 Год назад

Great topic. For Straight wall states I would have to give the nod to 360BH but if there is no legal restrictions it becomes more variable. For a handgun 45LC or maybe a 32 or 38 for some applications. In rifles the .45-70 and .38-55 are really sweet. Who can choose just one.

@RalphReagan 10 месяцев назад

Love the 38-55

@user-gd8pi1ir5f 9 месяцев назад

Good video as always. Another aspect to consider with each cartridge/ bullet choice is the impact velocity to make the bullet function. The straight walls are plagued by running out of sufficient impact velocity down range to enable the bullet open as intended. There are some custom bullet makers out there producing bullets with lower velocity thresholds. If you find yourself trying to maximize the range of your straight wall cartridge, be mindful of your impact velocity in relation to the minimum threshold of the bullet you are using.

@paladinhill Год назад

RON: as always, excellent video. I really LOVE that you do such a thorough comparison of a select group (in this case, the straight walls) of cartridges. Really puts things in proper perspective, without all he ammo company hype. Many thanks!!

@Kaelland Год назад

When the .357 Magnum cartridge first came out back in the mid 1930s, one of the things Smith & Wesson did was take the 8 3/8" N-Frame revolver chambered for it on an elk hunt. The .357 magnum cartridge was pushing a 158-grain lead bullet at about 1,500 feet per second out of that 8 3/8" N-Frame, so the loads were a bit spicier back then than they are now, but they scored a clean hit and bagged an elk with minimal tracking. Given the number of deer that are ethically taken in the US every year with .357 magnum handguns, I think using that same cartridge out of a rifle is plenty adequate as long as you keep your cool, only take shots you know you can make, and use a projectile suitable to the task.

@EC-mc7vg Год назад

I've been using 350 Legend in my AR rifles and pistols for shooting Texas hogs for several years and it is a great effective little cartridge, mostly use 150 grain Deer Season XP ammo. Use a 450 Bushmaster chambered AR as well just not as often. People were wrong when they said Winchester made a "mistake" in their bullet size and that the cartridge would fail. The 400 Legend will probably be just as successful and I will build an AR rifle and pistol for shooting hogs. Now, if Winchester is smart they will figure how to get a lever gun to function reliably with the rimless 350, they could sell more than they could produce in my opinion, same goes for the 400 Legend. I think if Winchester doesn't produce a lever gun for their straight wall cartridges they may lose some sales to the 360 Buckhammer. Smith and Wesson and Magnum Research each make revolvers chambered in 350 Legend. The ability to have a bolt gun, single shot, pistol and an AR that all use the same ammo is a plus. Winchester could almost completely control the straight wall cartridge market if they produce a lever gun for them. Thanks for the video,

@pitchforkpeasant6219 9 месяцев назад

Hate Winchester brass though. Have had case mouth splits in factory ammo. I mean, really?

@EC-mc7vg 9 месяцев назад

@@pitchforkpeasant6219 Luckily, I have never had an issue with any Winchester factory ammo. Deer Season XP in several calibers is some of my favorite ammo, has always performed really well on hogs and coyotes.

@theoriginalOSOK Год назад

RU-vid unsubscribed me but I just resubscribed..... And I am very happy with a 44 Mag or even 45 Colt (since I handload) for use in a lever action carbine or rifle. Even a 357 Magnum is plenty for white tail or hogs out to a bit more than 100 yards. The standard 44 Mag loading, 240 grain XTP for example is a hammer on deer, hogs and even black bear. If you go with a hard cast bullet instead, it will penetrate much more than ever needed.

@joemarchinski914 Год назад

the walls on my .270 are straight, its just the shoulders that are not.....another very informative video Ron👍

@billrogus8889 Год назад

As always, fantastic video Ron. In IL it’s single shot only. Got a CVA 45/70. Put a Leupold with 450 Bushmaster dial on it. Shooting 250 grain Hornady (when I can find it). Good to 200 yards. Unless you have a lot of experience (I don’t) then you shouldn’t be pushing it past that range. My son”s Savage 220 with 20 gauge Hornady or Rem/Fed tipped slugs with Leupold scope is the ultimate IL deer gun! But I’ve got a couple 45/70s and love that old cartridge! Have fun with it. Keep the videos coming Ron

@timclaus8313 Год назад

I like the 325 FTX bullets in a 45-70. Unfortunately, when you Handloading, there is a fair amount of trimming to length from standard 45-70 bullets to being able to use the FTX bullets. Does not apply to the 160 FTX for the 30-30, tat one doesn't need trimming for the bullet to fit the chamber like the 45-70 does.

@christianborghi7544 Год назад

Hi Ron I own a 350 legend and a big factor I considered when buying a new rifle was ease of use , unless your using a cannon shot placement is everything and for me lower recoil equals accuracy, I get tighter groups at 100-150 then any other centre fire rifle I’ve ever used and has no troubles dropping anything I aim at , deer goat and pig only get a few steps in before there on the ground with a 200grain , but being from Australia we don’t have bears so big animals like that might be its limits , I know one of my hunting mate did get a 115kg (250lb) pig with the 350 legend

@adammichaelis Год назад

I run a 450 bushmaster in at platform for deer in Iowa. I load a 200gn. Barnes xpb on 41 gn. Of lil gun. It's an absolute dropper. Got a doe at 161 yards neck shot legs pulled up and she didn't move again

@mattevans-koch9353 Год назад

Thank you Ron for the information. Always valuable.

@misiomor Год назад

Great video, useful overview, thanks. Yet there is one mistake, at 11:34 - .460 S&W is not .458", it retains the bullet diameter of .454 Casull and .45 Colt, which is .452".

@RonSpomerOutdoors Год назад

Thanks for the catch and correction, sir.

@JJ-qy8xu Год назад

I would like to see a comparable chart with the most streamline bullet in each cartridge. This is where you will find the new .360 buckhammer walk away from the rest. With sierra's 225 grain boatail or noslers 225 grain accubond. This is the importance of the .358 diameter. These rifle bullets already existed. Give it a try Ron . Just one load each it will show the real story.

@JJ-qy8xu Год назад

If they are used in a AR then fine use the rimless cartridges. But single shots and lever guns work best with a rim period. The idea of headspacing on nothing is ridiculous! There is multiple reasons for rims and shoulders for that matter.

@billyhancock7851 Год назад

You must be hunting private Land. 2023 Indiana rifle restrictions for a Public land use rifle is 1.16"- 1.18 and the 45-70 is over 2" long.....Let me know if you know something I don't 😊

@rickywagner3551 Год назад

Ron, here in Indiana, there's one you may or do not know about. It's called the 358 Hoosier. Custom-made bottleneck cartilage. But it is legal here.

@montyherren26 Год назад

Looking at all the cartridges compared together I really like the specs of the 375 winchester.

@jfess1911 Год назад

It is a shame that it did not get more popular. I ran across one fellow who plans to cut back the case to 1.8" and use it in a restricted state. Sounded strange to me, but he claims that his long, heavy cast bullets will work that way.

@montyherren26 Год назад

@@jfess1911I know I like mine . I ended up putting a peep sights on it and really improved the accuracy at a hundred yards.

@kellyrick4365 Год назад

Great comparison on all the cartridges... Thank you!

@travissmith-wz5nc Год назад

Like that speed on 360 buckhammer. Newer style copper bullets will work better with the little extra speed.

@travissmith-wz5nc Год назад

@FranzAntonMesmer I would like to see a 150 to 175 mono copper at like 2600 to 2750 feet a second. That be so cool.

@cinnreds18 Год назад

444 marlin is a great round. But nothing beats load versatility like a 45-70 in a Ruger 1 There is no argument that can be had. I can load down too a black powder or a round that will fall just barely short of a 458 win mag. The round is an absolute do all cartridge under 200 (preferably under 100) for big game in America. No doubt my favorite round.

@doctortabby Год назад

Great presentation, thanks. I live in Southern Michigan. I have been using my Savage Axis XP 350 Legend since deer season of 2019; quite a few deer have succumbed to it since then. I'm very glad that they changed the laws here, allowing the straight walled cartridges, in 2014. I will never hunt here with my 12 gauge slug gun again during regular firearm deer season (unless someone, in their finite wisdom changes the law, thus necessitating it again). The 350 legend is much more fun to shoot, much more comfortable to carry in the field, and performs better; at least that is my experience. I am tempted to venture into the 400 legend; I may resist said temptation, and I may not. 🙂 For Heaven's sake, can a man ever have too many guns?! 🙂 (my wife's opinion doesn't count 🙂)

@timmangum3409 Год назад

Mine either!😂😂😂

@billdailey6315 2 месяца назад

I’m in the same boat! 😬

@briancasady7867 Год назад

I don't need any of these new straight wall cartridges because Texas does not have the limitations. I am glad that they are out there. If it helps others to be able to hunt, then it is a good thing. Just for fun, I might even look at the .350 Legend for my wife. She likes to shoot, and it could be a fun one for her.

@Steelhorse814 Год назад

What about the 375 Winchester ? It's a straight wall cartridge ! I'd take it over the new Remington 360 Buckhammer or the Winchester 350 @ 400 Legend . I'm Old School and don't Change if isn't Broke !

@edtrumble7336 Год назад

I took a 1895ss Marlin from 45-70 to 45-60, Delaware case length is 1.82. I put a 250 grain Monoflex bullet on top of 38.5 gr of LiL Gun powder. I get 2,135 fps. I love this gun!!!

@whiplash8277 Год назад

Gotta love the .450 Bushmaster.

@davelaneve2446 Год назад

Here in Indiana we must use the shorter straight walled rounds. While I mostly bow hunt, I have a 350 Legend AR that would fit the bill, from Wilson Combat. I use it a lot for feral hog hunts in Texas. It is also my primary home defense rifle using lighter bullet weights. After watching this video, I'm going to need to get something in 450 Bushmaster...

@lamatrisefontain98 Год назад

Ron, you missed one of my favorites, the .444 Marlin. My first deer rifle was a Marlin 336 lever action and I knocked down my share of Whitetails with that piece.

@mikesauer7775 Год назад

You skipped right past my 444 marlin Ron. I got a 350 legend..Ok for deer at 150yds

@MichaelRobertson-i8f Месяц назад

I would like to mention, the 45-70 rolling block design was the Cartridge used by our Calvary, while carrying the Colt SAA. With the 7.5 inch barrel

@claystucker2187 Год назад

Been shooting a 45-70 since the 80’s. I’m now in my 50’s, and I still don’t even flinch a little when I pull the trigger. I think felt recoil is only an issue if the shooter is sensitive

@calebnolte2577 8 месяцев назад

Yeah I got a Remington 870 12ga for Christmas when I was 10 along with a case of low brass lead shot. Quickly became my BB gun that I toted everywhere, even to this day

@anthonygendron9737 Год назад

That’s right boys and girls he said it right the entire time!! 450 Bushmaster is the winner. Nice job Ron. It really is a fantastic round. My wife absolutely love to hunt deer with her Ruger number 1 chambered in this and we have had amazing success and dropping everything it hits so far.

@chrisdaniel1339 Год назад

No so fast Anthony, the 460 S&W with loads from Buffalo Bore or Underwood will best the Bushmaster with with over 2,800 ft.lbs of ME in an 8.375" PISTOL barrel(Wikipedia), the Bushmaster needs a 20" test barrel to produce similar energy(Wikipedia). The 450 Bushmaster case is 1.7" vs the 1.8" case of the 460 S&W, however the Bushmaster has a pressure limit of 38,500 psi while the 460's pressure limit is the same as magnum rifle cartridges at 65,000 psi meaning it can be loaded real hot. If the 460 S&W is put into a Ruger #1 or a Thompson Center Encore with a 26" barrel the 460 is in a whole other ballpark. Check both wiki pages I write only facts.

@ronlafitte6864 Год назад

I love a number of the straight wall rounds, but I'm hopelessly in love with my 45/70. Just sayin'

@jaydunbar7538 Год назад

Doesn’t matter if they like the 45/70 for the people things like the 350 legend were invented for, they can’t legally use the 45/70. Luckily were I live I can use most anything I want, it’s nice to use a brand new rifle one day and the next day out grab one that’s a century old. Just use whatever i want each day I go out in the woods with no concern if politicians 300 miles a way approve of my choice.