wtf are you doing eugen? 

"most ww3 media is inherently trash" while showing a pic of team yankee is one hell of a controversial thing to say

Infantry veterancy does matter, the problem is it matters in only one particular way that only infantry focused divisions can afford to take advantage of: suppression resistance.

Only at 23:59 so far, so not sure if you will bring it up. You know what would be historically & technically accurate and likely completely break ground balance? Proper reverse speed for NATO & Warsaw Pact tanks. T-72 etc. have very low reverse speed, meanwhile Leopards are really fast, one could likely shoot & scoot micro T-tanks to hell. I mean maybe it could be balanced easily, but I am not sure. I see your points about balance, but from all I know balance is the hardest to do and the game is not finished, as far as I know Company of Heroes 2 still receive regular balance patches and that game is far quite "simple" compared to Warno. EDIT: About the Mig 31 lol yeah, I think everyone I played the game with pointed that out or completely agreed with it once one person brought it up.

Jumping into the "i was banned" -section immediately

Honestly....having F-117s in the Berlin Division does kinda make sense considering it would be the only aircraft that has any chance of flying across the Soviet front line and reaching Berlin unmolested by AA defenses, so having a *small* squadron of it does make some sense The Mirage IV though? yeah, you're right on that one.

Am I the only person who thinks that historical accuracy in itself actually makes the game more fun and interesting?

You speak of Wargame RD like it’s a finely tune game, from my experience it wasn’t . Spawn, get cross mapped rocket artillery. Spawn, get heli rushed. I’m not saying WRD didn’t require skill or had a high skill ceiling in competitive scene. But on the ground floor it was chimps hitting each other with rocks and flinging crap across the room. That’s why I got nervous for Warno that it took away the phases system from SD because that put a hard lock on the shit that could be pulled at the start.

i appreciate the takes in this video. even as someone who loves warno (the vibes are immaculate, very easy to get sucked into the experience), I can agree with a lot of the criticism. I think that the game is still good, and better than previous titles, but it can still be useful to get it out there. i also would say that alot of singleplayer people in all Eugen games play skirmish as well. also dont be too harsh on divisions, building decks with divs is very cool in a roleplay sense.

It's important to criticize the game but I disagree in some areas. I think your comments about air balance are generally correct, they need to sort the RNG/ ECM interactions and make diving helicopters and planes be punished more. In regards to ground balance however, it just sounded to me that you hadn't played for a while because a lot of the issues you brought up used to be the case but have now been fixed for the most part and saying a Bradley or Marder don't do damage is simply untrue, 30mms are just over tuned right now and thus meta (there is always a meta). From what I gather "historical accuracy" isn't so much a priority, rather "historical authenticity" which are two entirely different things. Authenticity is how it feels or is portrayed based on specific values, in this case Eugen's values. Accuracy being whether or not it is exactly correct, which for SD2 they can go back and fix. Whilst I agree their arguments for certain units can be inconsistent, I think the overall authenticity of Warno is pretty spot on. As far as the patches are concerned there really isn't much excuse for their poor QA but I'd say for the most part, not always, they are pretty quick at fixing things they break. The Division system isn't going anywhere so we have to make do and I personally like it. I like some of your points and introducing a system more similar to Regiments would be cool where you can add a choice of detachments to your main division (or regiment). I think the maps are pretty good honestly but the sectors do need adjustment in some cases to allow for less choke gameplay as you say. That being said, I think having some grindy maps is a good thing. My own issue with maps is that some of the larger team maps have high point contested sectors which just end the game really quickly if one side has a bad start (see Cyrus and Volcano). Forward deployment is a fickle beast. It's a really cool concept, you could even add troops that air drop at the start. In practise the power creep of newer divisions has made it so this is also now a meta and it definitely needs adjustment. I think your critic of the Warno competitive scene is a bit harsh. It's not perfect but the SDL does a good job of running and creating fun tournaments and leagues for people to take part in. Tournaments will always be heavily influenced by the meta, I myself was knocked out of the mentioned tournament by Tiberious and his "tactical outplays", however utilising a meta to your advantage over other players is a skill and it's not up to the SDL to fix imbalance, only manage it. Yes split supply in supply vehicles! Yes, communicate better in dev blogs! Yes, report button please! Yes, updated matchmaking but don't remove lobbies. All the best with your new projects in the New Year! Look forward to seeing your future content.

>Competitive scene sucks >Said by a guy whose conduct necessitated introducing an anti-helorush rule in the tournament 🤔🤔🤔

I really watched the whole 2 hours and I must say, you really say what I think

Thank you for this quality content

Nothing makes one angrier about a game than loving it :(

As a singleplayer player, I have never felt more abandoned by a developer I held close to my heart. The near shaming we get from the developers when we ask why AG has not been released yet ("When it's done" does not hold up for so many months, do not treat us like small children) might be normal just after a game entered early access, but after 2 years of early access and at least 9 months of teasing Army General I feel like they're just taking the piss with us. Thank you very much for this earnest video Rang, take care of yourself and enjoy your break!

I am right there with you. I was so excited when the game got announced, thinking that we were gonna get a "Wargame 4". That couldn't be further from the truth sadly.

I like the Napoleonic generals in the devblogs because its a way for Eugen to show exactly what kind of nerds they are exactly like myself, of course

Enjoy your break!

1:27:18 To be fair, I suspect this might be cultural issue. I don't know enough about French culture, but at least for Upper Austria, it is one of the most disrespectful things one could do (to not answer). While I suspect for Canada, requesting a response is rather "rude". Although, the issue is, you made the first mistake.

I like WARNO because it was far easier to get into than red dragon.

27:29 why would you say something so controversial, yet so brave

2 hours, this man is crazy

1:29:35 - here I disagree. Eugen is a small company and the game director should be interested in the feedback from players on the forum.

This video is 2h long and has more than 13 comments posted within less than 2h of it being released. This comment makes it 14 lmao I'm not watching all of that 😂😂😂

It's funny because in Warno you are not playing as a division but as a battalion tactical group with air support. A real tank division would have hundreds of tanks and bmps

I enjoy Warno quite a lot. There have been some bad patches and some balance issues, but I expect that in an EA game. I even find the balance swings fun, but I can understand that is not for everyone. I hope Broken Arrow gets released soon so all the people who don't like Warno have something to do lol

The main issue with warno is that the skill cap is way lower than RD, and there's multiple secondary factors that contribute to that.

I like the aircraft a lot more in WARNO over RD or SD, that their speed is semi-realistic is good to me. I get it that they kill themselves when you don't micro but still. Having a F104 fly at 700km/h or whatever like they do in RD is dumb as hell.

The Rush 50 yard and hold syndrome is exactly the same issue with WG Conquest. They need to get rid of that awesome antique and think of something else like BA.

23:00 Gonna have to push back on this point. You CAN push out aircraft very quickly (as in within a few years if not months) if you have sufficiently skilled engineers, a proper procurement system and an efficient bureaucracy (just look at the pace of development in WW2 and a slightly more modern case Skunk Works). U-2 Spy plane for example went from initial tender in 1953 to first flight in 1955 and deployment in 1956. The problem is the age of getting stuff done quickly has long passed especially in the United States. Other countries are slightly better but they have much less money to work with so it balances out.

Rang dropping megaton truth bombs

>Leaves bad review with no explanation >Ghosts devs and refuses to give any constructive criticism >Gets removed from feedback group for not giving feedback Surprised pikachu face

I'd like to see a deep analysis video on the other games in the series like Red Dragon or Steel Div. 2

Eugen makes single player games? dude, they changed things in Red dragon to balance multiplayer and it broke the Campaign game, notable was turning the T55 into a recon, and lowering the effectiveness of Allied CWIS and upped the hit accuracy of Soviet ASM which made Korean War 2 incredibly hard

love the game but i can't stand the tankyness of helicopters and your AA missiles constantly missing on top of that is my biggest gripe. absolutely rage inducing.

I'm a WGRD vet with 2k hours and I have uninstalled it and moved to WARNO now. Mostly because I feel like WGRD had nothing else to offer me and I want to somewhat help what is left of Eugen to get on with their game development. I play mostly 10v10s in all Eugen games so I'm that casual multiplayer dude. That said I have made some notes for this long comment. 1. Gameplay balance in WARNO is debatable but I do agree that some parts need an overhaul e.g. helicopters. 2. Most historical accuracy in WARNO kind of timeline is debatable, just wish Eugen itself would admit it. 3. I agree with everything that was said about the maps but I think all "bad map designs" still need to remain in the game for variety and options. Those designs just better stay away from ranked playlists. 4. The "no helo rushes" rule needs to be unnecessary for any tournament play. It feels laughable/ridiculous from my perspective or I think from a pro perspective if a gameplay mechanic or parts of it need to be banned for tournament play. Eugen from my perspective has been trying to fix this issue but to no avail for now. 5. Dar rick S and his relationship to Eugen is quite suspicious and I think harmful overall to the community. I think he would do better as a Strike Team member not as an Eugen employee. 6. Mod support and/or a map editor could catapult WARNO ahead of all competition on the market right now. Without them I think the game will remain where it is. But unfortunately those elements are not the Eugen focus right now. Frankly WGRD would need those tools first to guarantee that game's longevity even more. 7. WG supply system of fuel, ammo and spare parts was better and I think WARNO desperately needs it. 8. I do agree WARNO is better for team games, the games I play mostly, but having the focus on only team/casual games will ultimately, I think, take away from the game. 9. I agree that there are too many devblogs. Because of that I am hyped for a WARNO patch each thursday and I don't think it is sustainable for the studio and the player. 10. Having also played the Broken Arrow closed beta it was fun, but I hit a wall after game 4 which made me uninstall and then give my full feedback to the devs. Broken Arrow may fall into similar balance pitfalls as WARNO but their communication and game's clear vision gives me hope for that game yet. And I feel like BA is in a better position to overhaul their balance compared to WARNO. 11. The F2P SD2 model idea is awesome. I rarely play SD2 but that might just make me play that game more. 12. I agree that WARNO needs a game integrated report button for players, bugs etc. 13. I rather like the new CV and mechanics in WARNO. Though I do think that the gameplay might not compliment them quite well. It's a better mechanic for causal team games but its ranked value is quite debatable. 14. I did know about that 2018 strike at Eugen and I have heard that some of those devs that left are now in Steel Balalaika working on BA but that is just a rumor. However the SADF DLC along with the patch in 2021 shows Eugen still knows their stuff from my perspective. Though those changes might just have been developed off of old notes and simple statistics. Overall I don't think it is fair to compare Wargame Eugen to WARNO Eugen. It's good that they have competition now but that only goes so far if one is in a comfort zone. The vision for WARNO feels unfocused which can be explained that it's an indie studio trying to make a strategy game that does everything like the old Age of Empires 2 for example. But good focus and clear vision is what takes one far as we have seen in Regiments which does not have a multiplayer yet because of the vision and focus but one can hope. I really like Regiments and have hope for Broken Arrow but there is nothing like Wargame or WARNO 10v10 matches. And the only game which I have seen tease bigger player counts right now is Stormgate. I saw a 1/64 player lobby on one of Lowko's videos about Stormgate. I'm very exited about that.

1:06:00 well we already had top players working with eugen dev to work for the balance patch before and they did vouch for THEIR decks and prefered units while advocating for nerf of the units they ̶l̶o̶s̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ dont like. However it did more good then harm and at the end of the day like you said it's eugen fault if they dont get it right. The heli are really a pain in particular and that's not just darrick fault The worst of everything is that some of the problems you mention (like choke point map and unbalanced air power) already existed since a long time in previous eugen games, they dont seems to learn. Map have been claustrophobic, unbalanced, unfit for a good competitive setting and full of unuse space since ALB at least with how much water, bridge, choke point and weird zone they tend to have

Glad to see you alive Rangroo, had us worried there for a second. Any idea when I can get my regular does of wargame casts? With regards to the Mig-31 being used on the frontline, that is something the Russians have been using in Ukraine specifically because those R-37s are unfrickenbelievably deadly. Also about divisions, I've always found they've been limited and as you say are mostly samey, especially when compared to the sandbox that Wargame's Battlegroup system was. And reality seems to agree as modern Russian formations look more like Wargame decks with the Morskaya Pexhota getting T-80s and the VDV being used as shock assaulters or defensive line infantry attached to larger groupings (Russian generals literally taking a card of VDV to shore up their motostrelki) which really makes me think the Wargame Battlegroup is more realistic in a World War III scenario as remnants and capabilities from different units are cobbled together for a specific task or mission rather than the lumbering division staying in one spot and fighting alone for the duration.

A 2 hour rant ? Now that's a chrismas special I can get behind !

to be honest I think all the actual profressional people left eugen after the two (2) scandals where eugen just flat out failed to pay emplyees

hey rang you gonna make videos of the broken arrow open beta tomorrow? be cool to see your impressions

Glad to see you’re alive Rang

idk what is it with people hating warno either everyone is so blinded by nostalgia and have played so much of it that nothing else is good in thier eyes .and/or just cant belive that a game that had a unimaginably bad luanch has actualy recovered besides from content and balancing issues this game has very little problems i just dont get why people hate this game so much (note:it could be just me though that likes this game)

Are you gonna go back to SD2? Seems like the balance is coming back

does anyone know what music he uses in the background or how can i find something similar?

Agreed 100% with everything. As an SD2 top player we have similar stuff in balance terms but its ofc much better than Warno, Darricks of SD2 is Gonzo and the shit map design is the flag system. If only Eugene continued developing SD44...

Very glad that all Wargame community united as never on this topic, so game save is probably impossible

How can this game have been released in 2021 when i have memories of watching people play this game from before 2018 and 2016

evacing aircraft should do a immilman turn or better yet not be player contrilled at all

As a casual 1v1 player this game is the bane of my existence. Matches with my friend turn into an hour long grindfest of "will i push him out when he inevitably spaces out or will i reach the 50ft line first" Most of our matches end with both of us only having a single CV in our deployment tab with whoever reserved the best units for the end winning

I personally think the Warno community is the worst aspect that's holding it back as any criticism or balance suggestions is immediately shot down. Oh you think the fuel mechanic returning is a bad idea? Well go play SD2. Oh you think that there should be an SD2 style armour system? Down Votes and Negative Comments. Oh you think the ranges of AA weapons should be decompressed? Oh well it would actually be bad because it just would be ok. Its the equivalent of shooter regressing to use hit scan weapons. Critical failure on the part of Eugen in terms of caving to people that didn't like innovation, right from the get go with the removal of the offmap artillery. The community has stifled any innovation on Eugens half. Currently I'm looking forward to Armoured Brigade 2 along with Broken Arrow.

Can I ask what is mouser/mauser track? I'm confused and curious about the music name in game.

I don't agree with all of it, but there's definitely some truth in there. Glad to see people are coming around on SD44, IMO it's Eugen's best game. I kinda feel like they listened to too much of the Wargame fandom when they made SD2, and instead of refining SD44 they pushed SD2 into more of a Wargame direction which diminished it. Lastly, glad to see you'll be taking your own advice and taking it easy for a while Rang. Merry Christmas!

Whilst not agreeing with the videos tone, I get why WARNO has left you frustrated. Regarding the SDL critisism, In WG you had no other choice then surrender to eugen and be like "well helis never will be fixed lets ban them" In WARNO competitive scene also should show Eugen how their game can be abused. And for the most part Helo rushes are not a thing now anymore in 1v1 due to enough pushes due to visibile feedback regarding the issue. ST for sure could work more efficient. Still that whole segment of the video felt kinda bad taste esp. that weird fight with a EUGEN employee. Still all the best to you and a merry Christmas Rang, it was fun to work with you and you and Khan will forever be my favorite SDN44 caster duo!

Todays R37 and the one in 89´ are probably not the same. I wouldnt trust wikipiedia on this 100%. Also the accuracy probably resambles the one in fighter on fighter engagement even tho based on the experience in Ukraine it should be higher (again I believe they have different radars/sensors and control) where mig-31s (or Su-35) patrol with R37 and are able to score hits on UAF as it allows them to reach low flying targets without needing to enter area of UA air defenses.

I am sharing the same feeling with you, but I don't think the issue is as terrieble as you have stated. To clarify, I spend most of my WARNO time in 10v10 multiplayer, so the experience must be different between you and me. If you are interested in my side of the WARNO world, read along. I find WARNO is a much more focus with a specific division compare with the good old generic WG:RD deck building. It aligns with the division in SD:44 and SD2. The isssue with kingtigers and the lack of AA ability in panzer Lehr are something that we cannot ignore. In fact, WARNO has improved the division balance and make every division function in all scenario. In my opinion, it is an improvement. The fighting focus at the centre of the map with all their available units around a single polint. It is absolutely correct. This is already the meta in WG:RD unless you are playing tactical. The only changes that I see is the phase system in SD and SD2. Most games in SD2 10 v 10 also run into a slug fest at the middle of the map as well. Hence, I understand your fructration with the lack of dynamic play. Chopper rush and AA performance is an issue that I agree with you. Current AA performance is questionable to say the least. Chopper can somehow counter MANPAD in close range is making me mad in 10v10 as well. However, WG:RD is not perfect with chopper either. The chopper main mg is near useless against any infantry in forest is the opposite of what we are facing in WARNO. We are less fructrated in WG:RD because there are more ways to counter the inf in forest. Fighter speed and turning radius is also a matter that I agree with you. I have nothing to add in this matter. The game ultimate drain down to tanks collection... and infantry force recon. One can use infantry to tank anything and perform force recon in any heavily competiting area. Follow up with vics and tanks to blast open a gap and push through the the line. If you are aiming for exploiting a break through and buckling the frontline, I don't think it is achieveable in WARNO. A few ticks will be sufficient to build up another defence line and the grind starts again.

Regiments mentioned !

I've thought i'm too dumb to attack further into enemy territory. I did overthink every tactic with specific units in combination with another and so on, combined warfare n stuff... But at the end you have to bring every branch of unit to counter whats waiting there, so i just bring everything and move forward. Maybe thats the competitive factor in Warno. You bet on what your opponent doesnt have and gamble units trough the frontline. Same with the opener, its just the small diffference of having an AA chopper or not, or 1 armor or

I gave up on WARNO just like Eugen gave up on the players.

Whoever came up with the idea of the division system must be rolling in it because that shit prints money like fuck.

1:26 did you go to Banff?

I just wosh they would make Wargame Red Dragon graphics better and add huge cities like Seoul, and I would be happy, I would pay for it if they want to make it payable

In my opinion, SD44 has the best maps in a Eugen game.

1:50:10 this is the big thing for me; while I love the presentation of WARNO with its visuals, audio, and soundtrack, it is ultimately less than the sum of its parts. Eugen had a great formula in WGRD and all it needed was refinement and the quality of life improvements from SD. Instead they made the same bad decisions with WARNO that they (in my opinion) made with Steel Division Normandy 44 and WGRD; they have the weird smaller scale of gameplay (AKA unit count and map size) from SD, it is significantly dumbed down for lack of a better term, and they still have this dumb obsession with making maps that have rivers parallel to the front line that create obvious choke points.

Funny thing is that the best anti heli AA in the game is small arms, HMGs and auto cannons

Have a good break Rang! Didn't agree with all points but that's how things go. Hope you return at some point as Skyrim is not really something I am into too much but wish you all the best with it.

Dude glad that you give a life sign. I worried just last week und checked for a new a video. Hope you are doing well. Still enjoying your content after years. Greetings to khan.merr christmass❤

It has many problems that BA already does much better, and even WGRD and SD2 have been doing better. That said I still play it regularly and like it. When BA comes out, who knows. Balance is an ongoing thing, but so many core issues. Just the effort and time it takes to get a game going is so fucking annoying.

Damn that was a long video. Didn't notice the time at the start. Didn't get for myself the answer is the game worth trying either tbh. I guess it's not as unbalanced mess as on first appearance and new eye candy is great? Maybe if they do a free weekend? Skill sealing point is confusing. Getting into SD2 even after decent experience in previous 3 wargame games was really painful. Although it's probably more about the floor instead. Focus on a grind fest instead of outmaneuvering the enemy sounds really bad. Is it any better on bigger maps? I think the dev was kinda in the right there. I remember seeing your post on steam at the time and it did affect my decision to postpone too. I appreciate you posting the real opinion of the game as i know you have a lot of experience, but if dev is asking why not give some feedback so they can fix the things?

Not having combat phases like SD screwed the game. I called this when it came out - the game immediately suffered as a result when phase-availability would have fixed everything from helicopter rushing to super-heavy pricing and availability to medium tank and forward deploy spam. But people wanted WGRD 2, so the game acquired all the issues of WGRD, with a few of the restraints and map design of SD2 (but relatively few of the positives) to wear it down further.

Only 30 minutes in and I have to agree with what I've seen thus far. Playing with my friends in Red Dragon is always a fun romp. We have tried WARNO multiple times and its just not there yet. It can't compete with what they have already done and we all agree that we would rather just have had more Red Dragon DLC. We have tried it in the very beginning and we have tried it a few months ago and it just seems like the game just isn't made for returning customers.

Wait, Warno *still* lacks singleplayer campaign? That is embarrassing, much like that saga of you getting banned and the whole mess known as "strike team". Honestly those three points alone are enough to deter me from even keeping the game on my radar. Thanks for taking your time for such a huge analysis, it is highly appreciated.

I only play SD2 but I agree wholeheartedly with the "fuck historical accuracy" part. I do like the way they made divisions based on real life OOB but the way they rigidly stick to them, while utterly disregarding it for new DLC divisions is infuriating when the balance gets so out of whack. An example is 126th Gorno. A fun division which is very underwhelming nowadays. For some reason historical accuracy demands the ISU-152 & KV-85 can only show up in C-phase, despite 126th clearly being a rush division without them in at least B phase. By altering that one "historically accurate" design choice you could make the division a bit more viable & interesting. Most of the phase locking is nonsense anyway. As if not allowing units to show up for 20 mins realistically represemts history. Another good example are the Brazilians in TF45, which was trumpeted as being the Smoking Snakes, but in reality most of the Brazilian units are debatable as they just come in too late, when better US options are available (Niesi etc...). They're stubborn AND inconsistent. A frustrating mix.

The spam and 50 yardline argument is invalid once you start playing Army general because your choices matter and you need to keep your units alive. Ticking down the timer daster saves you units. Granted it took ages for it to come out and it's only one mission right now... My friends and I have been having an absolute blast playing the one mission that we have. P.S. we're also playing with cinnamon's realism mod. That probably helps a bunch.

The high aircraft velocity isn't more realistic. These numbers are the theoretical maximum velocity of these planes without load. Also, I highly agree with the air balance. The planes just feel like we aren't controlling anything. The missiles aren't doing anything. And the hits don't look like they register.

To add to the historical accuracy part specifically with SD2 because I haven't played WARNO I've found that Eugen sometimes adds stuff that doesn't make sense to still be used in 1944. Of course a lot of it is actually real, like how the Italians and Croatians did really drag out L3s from time to time by that point, and they even did refuse at first to bring back the German FT-17 because it didn't make sense until finding a way that satisfied them but other times they get it wrong. For example how you can get Fw 190's with Panzerblitz 1 rockets despite those not really being used after 1943. Also there's a Osttruppen artillery unit (Ost-Batterie 614) in an AG campaign, I believe Berezina, that axishistory claims was expanded to two seperate batteries and then disbanded in 1943 and so if this is true would not have been around to fight in Bagration. Do I give a shit about these? No, not in the slightest. I understand that's getting pretty autistically nitpicky and I didn't even know the Panzerblitz rockets existed until I saw them in game (though if I'm being honest I would have liked to see the Panzerblitz 2 in the game which were the size of Wfr.Gr.21 rockets, maybe alongside the Pb 1). Still it makes me wonder, if Eugen cares so much about making the game and especially AG historical then why do they have units and weapons that shouldn't even be there? I guess just because it's interesting. That's fine Eugen, just make interesting games and stop hiding so much behind this veneer of reality if you don't wanna commit to it fully. Just admit that you wanna add cool shit. Btw I kinda stumbled on the Ost-Batterie 614 thing on accident while researching RONA units for something totally unrelated, I don't look up every single unit in the game to verify it lol. I make this comment because I have a theory that Eugen has actually made a lot of the game on the Eastern Front representing 1943 either due to faulty information or on purpose to add interesting stuff. I don't really care about that personally, I'm interested in history clearly but I just want a fun game overall so if they wanna add a pair of German KV-2's to 1. Skijäger that may or may not have been around in 44 I don't really care because it's neat. I just find it hypocritical to see them blabber on about how much they've researched and how they care about historical accuracy and then they have a RONA artillery battery, the ONLY unit of its kind that appears to have ever existed by the way, that wasn't even real by that time? Surely they would have found the same info on it if axishistory is correct. It's just such a strange back-and-forth with them.

I dont understand what you dont like about it. I only played Broken Arrow, Warno and SD2. I dont see any problems with WARNO. Its the only one of the 3 that is still installed.

I find Warno very disappointed as well, they don't do almost anything new and then do balance changes based on historical data for some reason

Maneuver warfare has shown its inadequacy in modern conflict, air defense systems should be more lethal. The reason why the infantry began to kill each other slowly was that the game developers used calculated tables of ammunition expenditure (accuracy of personnel fire) During the First World War (1914-1918), an average of seven thousand rounds were enough to kill. During the Second World War (1939-1945), an Allied soldier spent about 25 thousand rounds on average. In the Korean War (1950-1953), UN troops fired 50,000 rounds each to destroy one enemy. In Vietnam (1965 - 1973) American soldiers spent 200 thousand rounds each. The Soviets in Afghanistan (1979 - 1989) - according to one data 50 thousand, according to others - all 250 thousand. The truth is that infantry in modern warfare acts as clay and cement, organizing fire to suppress, the main losses are caused by artillery and mortars. and suddenly it turns out that modern warfare is not interesting to the layman. The layman wants all units to work in synergy and be of equal value. But this is not the case in real life. In WARNO, a tank can cost about the same as a modern combat aircraft, which does not reflect reality. T-72: it costs about 22 million rubles. The Su 27 aircraft costs 2,942 million rubles. The difference is more than 130 times, which the game does not reflect at all. If the players had a choice, which is more important for them to bring 130 tanks or one plane to the battlefield, which would they choose? And how many infantry units can be deployed by spending the same funds? The F16 aircraft costs about 43 to 55 million dollars, if we take the average number of 47 million, then the f 16 will cost as much as 1.4 Su 27. infantry is present on the battlefield primarily due to the fact that there are simply no forces and means to put each fighter in a tank or plane. So modern war turns into a fuss of a bunch of people in the mud and craters from shelling with rare inclusions of valuable equipment that can be lost / destroyed very quickly

1:06:55 ❤. Strike Team is cancerous.

All of that heli carnage and not a single cannon based aa in a single clip. Though i guess you did say the comp players in this game suck.

Dude u are so based with that video, almost all I was saying about WARNO already. Talking about them about ur comments on steam forum, I shared ur video on "biggest" warno community "WARYES" and they just quietly deleted it. And yet another time i like to see how literally most of Wargame community have same issues with WARNO, so Eugene could actually at least see what they losing.

I wish that EUGEN would settle the beef with their publisher and make a modern-day Wargame successor

Thanks Rang, These are all fair points, and you've captured a lot of the sentiments I've felt as a player and viewer. Sorry to hear about the grief given to you in the discord. Frankly, your coverage of the Eugen titles should make you beyond reproach. I've insulated myself a bit from being frustrated with Warno by keeping it installed but only really dabbling in it every now and then. I've played every Eugen title since EE with the most most hours in SD44. SD44 was my go-to unwind in college and I have fond memories of the game and the small 1v1 ranked community. Its a bit sad that Warno is relegated to an 'occasional dabble' in my book since that is a far cry from the pedestal Eugen titles having typically had. I'm glad there's competition in the niche. I've given Eugen the benefit of the doubt for most of their titles, and for Warno I'd say I've gotten my moneys worth out of buying the base game. My main issues with the game are the over/under performing unit discrepancies making the game "sweaty" at a high level, and that most games play out in the same pattern of deployment so you never really have unexpected coordinated games. The lack of a hotfix or roll-back within 24-48 hours of a game-breaking patch reinforced my pattern of shelving the game for long periods of time while passively checking the Reddit for devblogs. I'm eager to see how far Steel Balalaika will go with the same patience.

Eugen is incompetent. Trying to do too many things at once. They should focus on SDII. Broken Arrow is going to siphon everyone away from Warno.

-To be fair NG units in WARNO are better then any other reservist units. To my knowledge NG units in Desert Storm were not looked on too kindly by regular US Forces as they were known to do stupid shit and really had tasks of holding positions. So they are like more high end and better equipped reservists. -Su-25T is just a modification of Su-25 so there really is no need to do as extensive testing as in the case of introducing completely new aircraft, as well as Konkurs-M, not to hard to develop. Ka-50 is another story yes and it is evident it is just a gameplay decision. Regarding R-37, it never was in operational use, R-37M is since 2019. and it is not in the game, so i could give that one a pass, more money, militarized economy, high pressure on finishing new tech and and entering service in small numbers. I absolutely agree on the deck building there is so many ways it could be better and also frontline system would be better then command zones in my opinion.

I think the most important new feature Warno offers, that we haven't seen in any previous game, is the unit refund mechanic. By far the best solution to the transport issue that has been plaquing Eugen games since European Escalation. We saw the 1 point transports as an attempted solution in Airland Battle only to get rid of them in Red Dragon. And we saw the free but disappearing transports in SD2, which was far from ideal solution either. I could not care less about the graphics or music. Red Dragon had graphics that were good enough for a strategy game, and improving from there is past the point of diminishing returns. As far as QA is considered, in early access the customer is the QA. That is the function of EA, you get early access to a product that hasn't been QA'd. I absolutely agree with you with the historical accuracy of unit compositions. I don't want to play with a historical battlegroup. I want the freedom to create my battlegroup. I think making the game F2P is a terrible idea, and would make everything worse, and thinking it wouldn't be monetized in a disgusting way is naive at best. And we know from other games that do have matchmakers, that matchmakers can't magically fix the issue of small and fragmented playerbase. So while I think the addition of a matchmaker would be nice, I don't think it would make much of a difference in waiting times. The 'simulator' mode matchmaker in War Thunder is now in the best condition it has ever been, with queue times the shortest they have ever been. And yet we haven't seen people flocking to play 'simulator' mode. There is no reason to believe that the addition of a matchmaker would increase the interest in Wargame/SD/Warno multiplayer in any significant degree. Do you honestly believe that the manual effort of having to choose a lobby is really the thing that is keeping people from playing? And that an automated lobby chooser would increase the size of the playerbase or reduce the waiting times? And reporting button that goes straight to trash is useless. It seems to me from your story is that the main issue right now is the lack of paid moderators that can look at replays 8 hours a day, and penalize people. The same bottleneck would still exist even if there was a reporting button.

i mean, the F-117 thing is quite silly yes but considering it can fly unphased in most scenarios, It could technically fit into the berlin division and hell, any division at all

Anti-air units have the advantage of being able to surprise and ambush helicopters because they're hidden, whereas helicopters are visible from miles away. I think the helicopter balance is refreshing, actually. In Red Dragon, they were only really useful in the opening moves and still a massive gamble because they relied on people not bringing in AA or the AA lagging behind the ground forces. As for maps, this is kind of a deja vu for me. Airland Battle was the worst. All the maps at launch had not just choke points, but often funnels. When it came out, I complained to Eugen about the exact things you're in the video. The maps of ALB were insanely downgraded from European Escalation that had many more lanes a lot of room for maneuver warfare and surprise attacks (Open Range, Hamburger Hill, Bridge Too Far, The Last Base). No match ever played the same on those maps.

Worst part is that after this video they may hire rangroo to balance the game

Incredibly entertaining and informative video. As someone that tried Warno early and really wasn't engaged by it, I contented myself to observe and continued playing WG:RD. What a mess. Thanks for putting this together.

Honestly, ERA just ruined every gameplay. if ERA trait just give HEAT resist, I would say it is okay but it just give +2 Health and ruined entire Tank balance.

Et cetera

Warno is a game made in France.

I dont agree with every point: but especially air-to air seems a bit random: Missing missles should definitely induce supression in the attaced unit. I would love to see the option to create divisions by yourself. Chose 3 different Brigades, 2 support groups from your korps and there you go -> unfortunatley they didnt adopt this. I usuallay play 2 vs 2, where in my opionion you have a higher strategic depth, using larger maps let you apply different tactics/ strategies (even tho WRD is still better there as well).

Micromanaging is a symptom of poor game design. It is not something that is GOOD for the game.

11:19 I don’t know and want to

Our team is still trying to get in touch with Warno. The game still has a lot of problems, some of the most important of which you mentioned. Steel Division 2 is much better. And we still don't have an AG single player!

Glad to see that you managed to fight speech problems and can talk normally now, Rang! Great video!

thanks

After this video I have to say that I am sad about the state of Warno. I actually enjoyed the game at the beginning in the year 2022 but when I hear about the all the problems of this game and especially the developer as well as the strike team I am reconsidering my gameplay options. I now got myself Regiments and its fun. I read the comments of the game in the Forums and oh boy ... sometimes there are some intense arguments. Maybe Warno will be finished in more 1 year. 😥