@@CirerinNo company is perfect, but they've clearly learned from their mistakes and we see this by them implementing Wuthering Waves not only Globally, but Also by having it in iOS, Android, PC and they have spoken of Console as well! And that's what we NEED. A team who NOT ONLY listens to feedback, but has it in them to implement change when change is DUE, regardless of how long it took them to realize and fix their mess! And if you look at PGR global now, It's in a better state than CN because they have foresight and can calculate meta stratergies by utilizing the CN servers info. So although it was bad initially, Everyone is currently enjoying what is known as "The PGR Golden Era".
@@marielgalicha8548they reduced/removed the currency rewards you get for beginners. The 7-day missions final reward was a skin for B-grade Nanami, in Asia it was lots of currency . Also you got less overalls currency for said missions. But it’s all good the game is very different rn
Didn't expect my video to get a reaction from Teccy😅 I apologise for the lower quality of the video. It's not something i can control right now but overtime it will get better. 10:46 yes, we do have Chickens here at home and I recorded this video earlier in the morning 13:33 EXACTLY! A lot of people don't seem to realise that Kuro needs to make a profit and PGR's system isn't exactly going to rake in those profits 17:15 precisely why i called it a fan fiction 😂 20:39 was my video THAT boring?🤣 I'm honestly glad that we agree on a lot of the things especially on the endgame. I didn't want to highlight a lot of comments from people that were over the top and unrealistic, just the ones that are good enough that if the devs saw my video they wouldn't think the global community is full of immature kids. Thanks so much for checking my video out. I'm humbled. Have a good one Teccy and thanks a lot for the shout-out. I truly appreciate it. Now we wait for Teccy to follow me on Twitter 😂
Absolutely. And I've played all of Hoyo's games except the first one. Even Wuthering Waves can't compete with PGR at least for those who want more complexity.
@@hijodelsoldeorienteyeah but i like that WW seems to have a slower pace bc thats what i hated about pgr. My fingers just hurt from having to smash buttons so much... 😂 games like pgr, honkai3rd, aether gazer... really not for me so im suppperr hype for WW
IMO Hoyo does character design and lore better (not story cause paimon and pacing sucks) Kuro does combat and special effects better (actually optimization also cause despite all the particle effects pgr runs smooth as hell on mobile)
ZZZ is not gonna overtake WW for one reason and its the one reason Teccy also complained about when he played it. The constant waiting inbetween fights. WW is literally open world where you can fight as you please. Its gonna release and its gonna go well, regardless of how good the combat in ZZZ is cause you dont wanna wait inbetween fights. Its the one thing that puts me off of playing PGR despite it being genuinly good.
@@traincore1955 Element system is not that rare in some games, each have their own element system, but Genshin's uniqueness is more due to the "Elemental Interaction".
hey tectone you should really see the new build for WW, because it change a LOT after the CBT, also check out their channel because they had drop character trailers. They are really good and the world is now very beautiful. Edit: I mean by checking gameplay from G-star and the Wuthering Waves official RU-vid channel. There have been leaks going around so be careful.
What i love about kuro games is how much they value player feedback,they have literally fixed every issue that was asked to be fixed or made better in PGR,that too is one aspect that kuro games is much better in then hoyo devs
@@Elio-nu3fz Not to undermine what the HSR devs have done up to now but kuro games has done it better,PGR is what it is today cause of them constantly listening to player feedback and borderline feels like they're part of the community they listen too, they've made it known with their efforts that they do love the game just like the players
@@Elio-nu3fz Yeah sure HI3 earns more but tbh I feel like that's cause they don't advertise shit,I didn't know PGR was a thing until I saw several people reacting to Alpha's gameplay,yeah the gacha they implement probably doesn't make them the same amount of money HI3 does but that does not mean the they don't make enough money, they're using the money they got from PGR for WW so I'd say no way they don't make enough money cause PGR would be dead if it were the case
@@Elio-nu3fzI think that argument is moot. I've heard reports where there are many instances where PGR earned more than HI3 in China. Also, the mere fact that f2p games exists and continues to thrive even without gacha obliterates this implied idea that gacha is the br all and all of a profitable f2p game when it's not.
Fgo is shameless exploitation of brand loyalty at its finest. Just about every other game even half as greedy gets immediately abandoned by players with a tiny shred of respect for the value of their dollar, but FGO and all its bs just keep truckin’…
I'd really hold off on that statement. I really like the co-op in genshin. Kuro does not have the best netcode. Especially in PGR. If I can still join my friend's world and vice versa with crazy delay lag. Then it'll be good to me.
what you should've said was honkai impact 3 has better online gameplay than pgr since they're basically the same type of game. But it's true IT fing sucks to play with other people in pgr. hi3 does this better. good thing those pgr haters that invade the chat of pgr aren't here like lowki. 🙃He's quite the driven and devoted hi3 fan/bot.
The gacha argument boils down to, just copy PGR. 60 pity, 80/20 on weapon and standard banners. 100 percent for first time or limited banners. F2p can farm one character per major patch and whales can pull multiple copies for strengthening the passive skills and/or rotation of each character. They also give extra banners with higher base rates but higher pity for the truely brave gamblers (or stupid f2ps). The extra monetization can be through skins.
That video, ironically, highlights reasons why company's don't listen to players. The majority of these takes are asking them to work harder for less money. Can the gacha be better? Yes. If anything, drop pity from 90 to 80 and your team looks like saints. That said, you don't NEED every single character in a single player centric gacha game and it will be fine so long as they are good with currency. No matter what, not everyone can/will be happy. There is also the saying "jack of all trades, master of none." All the additional little systems that people suggested would detract from WW identity as a "combat oriented" game. Exploration, interactivity and mini games are fine, just in moderation. You have to remember: 1) The studio is smaller. 2) It's still a mobile game. 3) We aren't in a pandemic like Genshin launch. They have less resources to use, while trying to make the game smooth/accessible and also not overload players. Just because Mihoyo was in a prime spot to do these things and didn't, doesn't mean we force that load onto Kuro Games.
I've seen this video already and the moment he said, he only played Genshin, I was like "I'm sorry but, that just invalidates your opinion on Gacha" you can’t criticise something, if you only have experience with one product.
😂the amount of peeps started comparing beta test ver of WW with a fully developed and a 3yr old genshin is wild, i like this shitshow, i enjoy and love quarreling with them, when you start comparing Genshin with BOTW, they get hurt😂
i think what they meant with the weapon gatcha is for them to get another item like HSR lightcones so that the caracters wont be locked at having a fixed weapon type, thus alowing for more interesting and original characters and combat animations instead of "sword guy 1 does 2 upward slashes and sword guy 2 does a cross slash". ex : on HSR you have characters with mechanic gloves, eletric guitars , pickaxes , that wierd thing from gepard , or clara's robot
Wuthering Waves already doing that, Jiyan's weapon is a sword but actualy his weapon is a spear. Yinlin's weapon is something that flies beside her but actually her weapons are puppets.
the better way to describe pity in gacha games is how long it takes to get the hard pity(in genshins case losing 50/50 and then hard pity again) with reasonable activity in the game. genshins case is you get enough currency without going full exploration grind to get a 5 star every 2.5-3 patches(2 patches if you do exploration 100% like i generally do, not reasonable general populace). the amount of time you need to get enough currency is vary high, and this is only C0 5 stars basicly, not even close tp including all the cons, i could make the argument that because they refuse to let us get enough currency for 1 patch is why they refuse to give us content that is scaled to mid/high con 5 stars, instead they scale the content around 5 star C0, it makes the game vary noticable on how much further we can scale because of seeing how much 5 sar C6 just dumpster the game. and to add to the fact that they do scale around C0 5 stars actually reduces revenue for the game since a good chunk of people know by now that the game doesnt scale beyond it.
Kuro’s problem with advertising is that they have near zero content creator sponsorships. Out of the dozens of channels that I watch, whether they be gacha or just gaming in general, I have only ever seen one sponsorship for PGR and it was by Th3Jez on a Destiny 2 video.
13:17 It is not the players job to come up with solutions that benefit the company. A good company takes players feedback and come up with solutions that will benefit both them and players
Players don't even really come up with solutions that benefit a company anyway. They come up with solutions that benefit themselves and then think it also benefits the company as well. There's a reason people who play games just stick to playing them most of the time and very few actually go on to run their own business and such. It's because most of y'all don't actually know anything lol
@@justsomeguy727 Which is why it’s not the players job. Players give feedback on what they like/dislike. How the company could make money on that feedback is irrelevant to players decision making when leaving feedback. How a company uses our feedback to make money is none of our business as consumers
Many people might not know that but in pgr every debut banner (brand new banner) has a 100% pull rate with 60 pity...pgr players are spoiled by this system that's why they hated the ww gacha system...and kuro has said that they are going to improve it it might not be 100% like pgr but hope fully it will be better....another thing about pgr is that the first few arc in pgr is actually bad but after those arc the story starts to pick up... And it reaches it peak(in my opinion) in the last spark arc to survival lucem arc....and honestly might be a hot take but the later story of pgr is actually better than genshin imo....and the other thing is kuro actually listens to their fanbase...like a some memes were actually put into the game...i have high hopes for ww
I really like the idea of giving everyone a universal 'eidolon' booster with every premium battle pass. Makes them feel like you can't miss them ever, and then f2p can either e6 one waifu a year, or spread out strategically.
I do agree that PGR is not advertised as often as how mihoyo advertises their game. PGR provides trailers for their game quite often for each patches. my theory is just they only want people who really want to try out and give their game a chance. business strategy wise its quite bad? BUT... New PGR players really come from word of mouth and some people that accidentally found about it either browsing youtube, twitter, facebook etc. Kuro is not a perfect company, yes they fucked up their global launch, but they're listening and trying their best and have improved a lot since last year. I haven't seen mihoyo give out 5* or S Rank selector multiple times, maybe they did? I don't know. meanwhile Kuro already gave out a lot of free skins and 3 S rank selectors iirc.
No, hoyoverse has never given a 5* selector, only in honkai impact which most people don't care and characters hi3 need copies to actually be useful unlike genshin or honkai Star rail where every character works pretty well without getting copies.
I mean 100% chance for one copy of a limited character isn’t a terrible idea. Whales will still feel better then f2ps since they’ll be able to get constellations for certain characters fairly easily while f2ps still have to save up in order to get those constellations.
Idk, I mean it definitely FEELS bad losing the 50/50, but u can’t sit here and say it isn’t a terrible idea when the company is essentially taking away 50% of their potential income. Because if u lose the 50/50 if u WANT the character, u will spend to get them. If u just get them 100% every time, over time it just decreases so much of their income. So personally, that take is terrible. And it’s just a fact at this point, ur not catering to f2p players. They’re not gonna be able to keep the game running with f2p players. U NEED whales. And having a 100% guarantee to get one copy will just eliminate a lot of potential money from dolphins as they’ll only spend enough to get to the first pity. And with f2p currency? U end up losing a lot of money.
@@Xailei_ yeah but this could reel in more player. Maybe theyll be selling more skins also to make money (kuro actually makes good skins unlike genshin)
@@Xailei_ Im not so sure about that actually being able to gurantee just one copy wouldn't actually remove a lot of income. SInce the player will most likely have to go to pity to gurantee the character and if they desire constellations they run the risk of losing the 50/50 so whales will still have to spend quite alot of money to actually gurantee. Since you need 7 copies of a 5 star in order to c6 them having one copied guranteed isn't that bad. So whales will still have an overwhelming advantage over f2p players, the system just helps f2p a bit while giving whales a boost as well
One improvement i wish we got in the Hoyo Gacha system is: instead of only getting 3* Weapon dupes you get a mix of the weapon dupe and some character XP boosts (Basically if you are rolling a 3* from a pull it will either be a weapon which equals weapon XP OR you get a new item which is for example 2000XP for "X character type")
wuthering waves lion boy being showed right after ga ming was insane cus the difference between the same aesthetics of the dragon new years is crazy. the wuthering waves one looks so good i had to start paying attention again
🙃 THAT'S KURO GAMES FOR YOU the batman of the gacha scenes. or the phantom thieves of gacha. "you'll never see them cominggggg. you'll see that my game is too fast for eyes. My fingersss HURT. just to play it. Your last GACHAaaaaa... sorry.🙃
They changed the story that was played, Kuro actually tends to listen to their community And Id prefer it to be vastly different than Genshin but I don’t mind if it’s a Genshin clone in a lot of aspects if it does right where Genshin did wrong specially since the core of Genshin isn’t necessarily the issue (most people hate it because they loved it but it had a ton of wasted potential) The release literally has to be within the year, we just dk when in the year though As for it being competition, Idt anything but Genshin will kill Genshin sadly, if only the Hoyo team in charge of Genshin was like HSRs They could however do what FS did, make a game with a unique player base that isn’t all that big (IE DarkSouls) and then it ends up becoming one of the biggest games 4:50 yerp, that’s what I’ve always advocated As a veteran WF player, CAP THE SURVIVAL
The hsr team isn't doing shit that's different other than the bare minimum to keep the game afloat among the sea of thousands of turn based game competitors lmfao mf'ers really get another flavor of the same repetitive ass Simulated Universe and think to themselves "wow the HSR devs are putting in so much work!" As if they didn't just recycle swarm disaster and just change some of the buffs around. Lmao
WW will be released this year and before October because their licensing expires in that month. If they can't release WW before at the end of October then Kuro Games (The Devs) will get sanctioned from CN Govt.
I hope wuthering waves releases quite a while after zzz, because I can’t max grind two games at the same time, this all is still pretty good, and since I heard ww devs listen to their community, I think they will do some great choices, let’s hope for a great time in ww and zzz
He quit that because its not as popular and hence not get much money. Mtashed is a very big business minded person and the main reason he stuck with gi for so long despite trying to quit it is simply it makes him a lot of money
Pgr is not even hard. You ping 3 signal orbs in a row, trigger qtes, dodge and everything dies. If you are attentive enough, you use core passives of each character. But overall it usually comes down to how many resources you have poured into the characters you’re playing.
Because PGR has low engagement, not because it's underrated it's just that the teams, build, weapons and gameplay is straight forward, just dodge... So there isn't much to discuss on community and to create content on. And I was a PGR player and I barely see something that I don't know about this game online, it's pretty dry lol.
I actually think that they should change gacha a little from the marketing standpoint They have higher basic rates of a 5-star than genshin, which is nice, but the casual player can easily miss it and think it's just identical I think they have to add a 4-star pity system earlier than genshin (and I do think that genshin is going to do so eventually. Maybe it's just a dream, of course, but I feel like as more 4 stars come out and as the market gets more saturated, they'll going to adress this problem eventually. And if wuwa prevents this problem from happening in the first place, it's a win and a nice move to attract new players in my opinion). I think that 50/50 is the best system for the company and that higher rates won't be that efficient nor sustainable But I hope that they'll implement some of the pgr interesting features such as occasional (for special anniversaries, for example) banners with 100% win rate (still 90 pity) - once a year it's a nice thing that can attract new players Or they can make special banners from time to time where you can choose your target character/weapon. But idk if it's a good idea if the pity or the win rate stays the same as usual. Won't be that cool if it's basically just 3 reruns in one banner and that's it🤔 but changing the win rate or the pity isn't a good idea since these kinds of banners are probably going to happen more frequently than the one that I've listed vefore, that's why it's a big no-no But they can, for example, do a cashback system with it (like on some honkai impact 3rd banners) and give you more pulls or character shards, for example Good thing to keep whales whaling and give some breadcrumbs to f2p players too, win-win The only thing is, if they're going to target the audience that is more casual than I thought, it won't work and won't be needed almost at all, of course. But I think that kuro have to do much more to promote the game and attract new players, it's the only serious obstacle I can see that can keep wuwa from becoming popular. And a gacha system that is so identical to genshin is not going to help in that, unfortunately :( And I TOTALLY agree that they have to release the game before zzz, it's a must and I hope they understand it too.
They're actually already changed the gacha system in the CN NDA test. For characters the banner is slightly better than GI but it's far from P:GR, for weapons though it's miles better than GI and it's the same level of P:GR or i dare say it's slightly better(?).
If the fights are hard as in PGR then kuro is indeed cooking,also they optimize the fk out of their games,you can straight up play pgr on old af mobiles without any issues,the gacha system is goated,imagine being guaranteed your favorite 5 star after 60 pulls, so expectations are high ngl,
I am f2p in star rail and I have E1 huohuo, E1 silverwolf, E1 bronya, E1 Bailu, Blade, Ruan mei all back to back to back. After playing Genshin for so long, I finally left it for star rail due to it. This eventually led me to buy the battle pass (my first in game purchase). This proves that generosity can indeed make the company money
the reason i whale in pgr is because of my first 10 roll being a 5 star. So... it also works if they give you a 5 star when you start. So you know and feel better about spending. "Just look how lucky i am."
I completely agree that having gacha system as in GI is ok, as long as the game itself is twice as generous in giving the currency to do so than in GI.
Might be fun take the face-cam clip of Tectone shooting ideas down & lay it over something else. I’m probably not the first person to think of this though.
Teccy is on point with his opinion about the advertising for the game. I literally had no idea this game existed until yesterday, and I pay attention to this shit
Use TOF gacha - 10 SR, 80 SSR with 50;50 on banner. Each pull on banner gives limited currency, 1 for R pull, 2 for SR pull, and 10 if your SSR is maxed and you have one extra. These coins are available while the banner is up, and 120 gives you the ability to buy the new unit, weapon or character. When the banner goes down the currency is transformed into another currency that you get on the standard banner. Meaning that 120 rolls is a guarantee. (50/50 gives guarantee on the 3rd pull if I’m not wrong)
I would trade a a worse gacha system to be able to not have a cap on grinding things that make my character build. Eg worse gacha in Genshin, but leave resin for other things like guaranteed power ups like talent books and level up books, but remove the gate behind artifacts. At least I can grind 2 hours whenever I feel like it and know I’m making progress, rather than not getting favorable main stats across 4 patches.
Honestly ww characters are already better than genshin Especially the males, the 5 * males from ww are just so so much better And it's only the beginning
@9:17 Sounds like a fast track to character designs with broken & borderline necessary sequences/eidolons/constellations. It sounds like a fair alternative on paper but I'm almost certain it will hurt F2P players more in the long run.
19:51 in warframe survival is as he stated but its about 5 min rotations as you get rewards and it make the content harder, in this case if you load into a mission with level 45 as the recomended expect the enemies to reach level 130 by 30 mins type of difficulty although its good gamemode it is more tiredsome to do unless you are there to grind exp or have a masochistic mindset, for me in warframe my max was 1 hour and it drained me for that day edit here 5 mins is the clear condition so you can just spen 5 mins and end the match anytime after that like you can spend like 13 mins and decide to end the gamemode right then and there
I was not impressed with ZZZ. I think WW would do much better if it released when it was ready, as we know with most games that release too early and are a buggy mess, often never recover from a bad launch.
Honestly the perfectly imperfect gatcha system is just having all banners be permanent in a grid format while lowering pity costs That way fomo is removed and there will be no decrease in profits because there'll still be new characters getting addded and people can choose to spend whenever they want to knowing the character they want is always there The only adjustments needed is the 4 stars and that can be fixed by setting up 4 stars that work well with certain 5 stars on their banners Ig the only negative is standard characters are harder to get because you'd still have to lose a 50/50 but I feel like more people want the event characters not standards Anyway teccy if you see this lemme know your thoughts on this system
being able to miss character keep players engaged in anticipation for the next banner. If they didn"t do that, people basically can play at their rythm and pull here and there until they get who they want. I'd love that, but they would lose in the long run. These game only bring money because people are constantly farming to be able to pull limited time characters.
One 5* per patch is literally what hsr does and theyre doing fine. It's probably the best way to go around it. Rewarding enough but not too much. Just enough where it's nice but you still have to work for it, and if you're lazy, just pay and since you're there already, also get the weapon and the copies of the character. Even with enough wishes for one 5* per patch, any f2p player would literally need to wait between 6~7 to 12~14 patches to get a c6/c7/whatever number without spending money. Which is a ton tbh. So one per 5* is perfectly fine.
Tectone really just complained that Genshin's rates are too bad and then at the end of the gacha part of the video literally described Genshins gacha rates as what he thinks they should do...
Regards to the Gacha system for WW, PGR already has a 100% guarantee when it is for a first banner release then goes back to 50/50. Not sure how much profit it is for them but if the player's want a 100% guaranteed character when the first character launch, I would suggest for all first character release would have a one-time 100% guaranteed banner with a bit HIGHER pity system as well a chance to get a random 5 star without resetting the pity until you get the uprate character compared the 50/50 banner for fairness (I guess). With the characters having access to all weapon type, I would not prefer to have it. As I would see it like an MMO character, like a self-insert. Like removing the essence of that character them being a swordmaster or a gunmaster but I could see other characters atleast have one more weapon they could use but one weapon type for each character is just fine. I will still play WW as I still play PGR
this is all old footage tho, if you check the leaked gameplay from the new CN closed beta, the game just keep improving. And gacha rates are now 50-50 character, pity starts at 80, and for weapons 80 pulls and you receive the weapon you're pulling for from the banner
nah the problem and the reason why i ceased playing pgr and i was CC for it is that i was finishing my currency for the dailies in 3 seconds so there wasn't enough content worth recording..that is personal feedback..i did finish the original main story and the main boss that the game had on release but there wansn't much original daily grinds to keep on playing for me...the characters that i played were awesome...especially unforgivable the roller blade one..such smooth animation and so fun to play still advertising is just a side issue...the core game was fun but at least following release they didn't provide events fun or long enough to keep playing..therefore i moved on... i still have good hope from the devs..i have not tried the new beta for wuthering and i'm going to go no spoilers in after the pgr experience confident of certain standards :3 let's hope for the best for this game...i agree on the fact that this game needs to release soon..i see a busy mmo scenario in the future and they kinda need to hurry up...if they wait a summer release it would be worse cos' less people on their pc prbl... i wish them the best
Something im exited for and I think will kinda help the gacha system, is 4 stars are actually good and viable. Like in genshin there’s a handful of 4 stars that are good but the majority suck. From what I’ve seen the 4 stars all have good kits and actually have effort put into them.
I think we can't worry about advertisement for withering waves till we get a release date but I see what ur saying since we they still havent't ramped up ads for PGR as much but they have been appearing more
16:48 i think what he thinks is similar so HSR no? There are not really "weapon" gacha. It's light cone. And it could make the game has various character that use unique weapon such as bronya who use gun. Seele who use scythe. Natasha who use literal bazooka-thing. MC with the bonk stick. Etc, etc. So instead of classify weapon like genshin does, it will shorten the variety or the uniqueness of the character. And i think if the hsr "light cone" system were added to an open world fast paced action rpg game like wuthering waves, it will be more cool!
I have high hopes for WW to surpass Genshin in most of it's aspects. Genshin only has compelling story which i wanna go through but the combat and daily content is very boring to me. Kuro's other game which is Punishing Gray Raven while not massive is doing very well and has a very fair gacha. The combat is also top notch and i'm highly enjoying playing PGR. Would highly recommend people to give it a try especially in February when the best ever character in gacha history gets released a.k.a. Alpha.
compelling story? Hmmmmmm... genshin has it's moments, but it's not that that makes genshin, genshin. It's the culture and characters, but mostly the culture.
PGR has too much in-screen effect for me and the oing system is... weird in PC, but I really like their music and world-building. It's a good thing WW is coming then.
i honestly dont think it will surpass genshin tbh because genshin community is mostly people that fantasize over anime characters and claims waifus and husbandos which is insanely weird asf, they play the game for an entire different reason than just playing game, WW is going to be based more on the game than just making characters to exploit rejects from the earth
Kuro is fantastic. I only play 2 gachas. Punishing Gray Raven is my main one (Nikke is the other). PGR is just mechanically miles above everything else. It’s also optimized insanely well. Nikke drains my battery from 100% in no time at all. I can play PGR all fucking day and not even hit 20% charge. Have faith. They’re a good team.
7:37 So basically Limbus company. You can grind MD to get crates to get shards to unlock anything you want. (You also get these for doing the dungeons and pull currency every week.) If you buy the battle pass it lasts 3 months and lets you farm even more crates to the point you never need to roll the gacha with the currency. I have all the 000 ids (Minus Warp Salt because it's ruined uptie 4 or not.) and never once spent money for pull currency. Just buying the battle pass once every 3 or so months. The Gacha is for lazy rich people who are either rich and dumb, or work and have no time to grind, or just dumb. If you have time then MD with BP is amazing value. It's more generous than Girls frontline / Project Neural Cloud and Mica is pretty good with that. Hoyo is down in the gutters sucking up pennies in comparison. If WW goes this way I'll be going hard on it. Think about it WW. Be cool and maybe slap some sense into that Genshit game.
No no ,tec don't ask about that Let them take their time tecee, the more time we give them The more time they have to make the game better And no , the company aka kuro actually cares about the players Shout-out for my PGR CN player's Without you, we will be in a terrible state
Thing about pity systems is that if the system is too fair then the devs have an incentive to raise what their standard for a " complete character" is, which balances out you getting more free stuff. For example HI3 pity system goes up to 100 but has a 100% guarantee, inorder to balance this out most characters basically have a good chunk of their kit missing unless you also go for their weapons, gear and advancements
pity for Wuthering Waves from the latest CN CBT for now it's, pity at 80, characters is 50-50, weapons you reach pity and you receive the weapon from the banner. Characters and weapons banners are separated
Best idea I had about gatcha would be storing pity, say you have 70 pity and don't want current 5star on banner but want to keep pulling for other means(be it 4star or currency for monthly shop) you store it like condensed resin and pull it up whenever you want
so in other words Nikke? The way nikke works is each pull gives you a ticket. You can store as much tickets as you want and when a banner with a character you want appears you can spend those tickets to immediately gain the character. I'm constantly sitting on 400+ tickets in Nikke, i'll be able to buy 2 characters if i want to. The plot twist is i have never struggled getting a character with the currency the game gave me.
18:18 OMG DON'T EVEN REMEMBER ME, BACK IN 2.8 I PULLED KAZUHA AT 75 AND JEAN AT 64 PITY I DIDN'T GET A SINGLE HEIZOU NOT EVEN ONE 139 WISHES GAVE ME EVERYTHING BUT HEIZOU, I PULLED MORE HEIZOUS ON STANDARD THE NEXT FEW MONTHS THAN ON CHARACTERS BANNER And the same goes in my acc for Candace and Sara. I only managed to get c6 Sara after pulling c3 Raiden. I had c0 Sara from when I got c0 Raiden at 77 pity and then I never pulled again. It took me five 5* stars to get her c6, bc I lost the 50/50 for c2 and c3. AND EVEN AFTER GETTING C3, I DIDN'T GET HER C6, thank god it was the very next 10 pull bc it was my last one. Iirc I got c1 Raiden at 75, C2 Tighnari at 76, c2 Raiden at 77, C6 Jean at 46 and c3 Raiden at 76. 320 pulls for a c6 Sara.... 320 pulls for 6 copies of Sara.... Insane, really.
Tectone, guaranteed new 5 star does not de-insentivise whales. If they are a whale they are going for multiple of the character lmao. It just makes f2p more likely to pull on banners
On the weapon thing the guy mentioned for WW ..i think he meant use all weapons regardless of archetype as STAT STICKS, not make the gun guy swing a spear around with new animations.... or to simplify imagine a kafka with a destruction lightcone or a jingliu with an AOE focused erudition lightcone with its passive still active its all build diversity an QoL stuff cuz would you rather use a 2* as a stat stick or a 5* greatsword you lost a 50/50 to and have LITERALLY NO ONE that can equip it
u can perform aerial combat and even switch characters mid air, swing like spider man and plunge and transform into mobs that u killed pretty sure many players will play this, even if ZZZ releases first. plus this game has a solid fanbase us pgr players have been waiting for this game for a long time
The best think they can do for their gacha system is not following genshin weapon gacha system I really prefer they follow aether gazer weapon gacha system…. You get a create and can choose what weapon you want I really don’t care if they follow Jenshin char gacha system bcs all WW char is good even their 4 stars
honestly my biggest spending in Genshin was when I really just wanted a character and lost the 50/50, as sad as it sounds. The reverse of the first idea would probably be best, from a financial perspective. If you dont own the character, a 50/50 chance to obtain it exists. that way, people will be incentivised to spend to get their favourite character if they lose 50/50. When you already own the character and want dupes, thats when you're guaranteed to get the character 100%, because thats when whales wont feel like theyre getting screwed over by spending their money, and small spenders can still be incentivised to sometimes buy a monthly pass or smth
Genshin is my first gacha and I loved it, it became my golden standard literally for every other gachas. Before this, I was used to PC and console games. So it's very surprising for me when I started to play Punishing Gray Raven and noticed the difference with how Hoyo and Kuro treat their players. I never thought I see a gacha game that actually implementats a fair gacha system. I'm also surprised how communicative the devs are, and how chill most of the community is compared to Genshin's at least based on my experience. Point is, Wuthering Waves will not outperform Genshin solely on the monetary side, but I'm pretty sure Wuthering Waves will maintain a more loyal and dedicated fan base just because of how Kuro treats their players. As for the video, the best F2P monetization will never be gacha. To me, it's Warframe's model. So don't treat gacha as the be all and all of a profitable LSG. Also, hope Tectone will play the shit out of Wuthering Waves. These devs deserved recognition.
alsong as i can complete the content with just 1 copy of the caracter and as a f2p i m able to get what i want to get, then the game is good, allso if the chars are linear in power and don t let the old ones in the dust, the game will be perfect imo
oh god no please no genshin dailies. No the horror of teleporting to the thing to walk to do the thing then go back talk and get only 10 prisms is just... 😷
hopefully the game doesnt require you to grind for too long, just make grindy/extremely hard content optional without locking important rewards behind it so both casual and lifeless players can enjoy the game.
One may say Genshin got Mihoyo a lot more money than HSR but if you calculate in how much the development and live-service of these games cost in comparison with how much these games make per month, you'll see a huge difference. The RATIO is what counts, no wonder they give us a doctor... 😆
It plays to the strength of this developer so I'm not surprised. Also to differentiate your target audience from behemoth like Genshin is a smart business move too.
It's smart on paper but if they wanna actually be a true competitor it's just shooting themselves in the foot. Cause there is simply no way you can achieve massive success to rival genshin to force it to improve through competition while also being a small niche game that refuses to properly market itself. It's like expecting the random metal band in your town to suddenly give Metallica a run for their money.
That's not true. Look at Baldur's Gate 3 and Elden Ring both of which are massive success but are considered to be niche before release. @@justsomeguy727
Why did Teccy watch this video at all? The creator clearly has very little insight into this topic; @11:48 he admits he hasn’t played any other gacha games besides Genshin Impact. Not only is he clearly not an expert on the issue; it seems he hasn’t spent much time analyzing the subject besides looking up these quotes from these forums. His intuitive reactions are poorly informed
Im glad u dont call it a genshin killer but refer to it as its own game. Cause im 100% sure nothing but genshin will kill genshin. But also not relegating it to a genshin clone even though it follows the blueprint it isn’t the same product.
it's like genshin because it's an open world gacha with almost the same menu's and ui if i remember from the first cbt. haven't looked at this vid yet have been in the comments for an hour now just reacting to you guys. 😅
@@ZYXWVU321 true neither did zelda but it did steal from it. But the game resembles genshin in a lot of ways gacha system, the ui on screen right top corner. The menus also are sameish. So yeah its a cooler looking older brother genshin.
@@belial4327 The gacha is very different from genshin, the weapon banner has only one weapon and it has a 100% rate up, instead of genshin's predatory weapon banner with two weapons rate up at the same time and WW has pull animations that Genshin or other Hoyo games doesn't have.
hope gacha like pgr system pity is 100% not 50% n not 90 but in 60.. i swear as f2p almost char in PGR u just easy getting it dupe.. can almost clearing all challenge in end game content( babel, norman,warzone, paincage) thats why i dont care ppl says gacha system is cancer(indeed most of them do), but i playing fun n survive so far in pgr.. It depends on how you can organize everything.. it all takes time 😁
13:56 But that's what Genshin already does... Unless you mean being able to pull 2 5 stars per patch instead of 1 with the subscription and battle pass.
Lot of folks don't really get pgr's system at all. The rates on rate up characters are so low that essentially pity isn't like oh I might spend this. You will spend that. Basically you can plan for it, if you want to gamble, you can on the arrival banners. Which have much higher rates, but higher pity, and not guaranteed. If the gacha system is genshin's I'll probably give it a go, but I will stay f2p. If it improves, probably drop a few hundred on it. Didn't look like a good system in beta though, if it wasn't kuro, I would have stopped paying attention to it completely with the current rates. With pgr, they've earned some goodwill I figure.
@@hijodelsoldeoriente okay so you dont see the pattern lmao its not about me i actually like his videos but recently its nothing but this his criticism is based on the fact that he hates the game no matter how much you wanna deny its the truth hes just milking views so that people like you can stir shit up
I wont speak to PGR gacha, but I will say that I would like a tweak in their gearing system. Its better than Genshin's cuz their equivalent of artifacts can be acquired much more easily and without having to grind for specific stats, but I think that every character using a completely different weapon is meh. Some crossover is appreciated, since I dont really like having to roll for a completely new weapon type everytime a character is released
I think the gacha system is perfect, maybe low the pity to 80, but the rest is perfect. If you don't want to spend on the game, you can't complain that you didn't get the character you wanted, just keep farming pulls and wait for the banner to rerun. (Im F2P btw)
Are these really the types of concerns and suggestions offered by the Wuthering Waves community?! If that's all the CBT players have to complain or ask about then I'm not sure there is much left that needs to be done. Time to go Gold, boys!
- no 50/50 pity - no 90pulls - no nerfing of the characters designs. - no loading screens - no accessory/relic random stats grind. - give us an end game unlike genshin - give us enough resources to almost get or get a character per month or two. - please no overlapping banners - 1 banner per month please -... Those are the things i want i could go on...
Go play PGR, Teccy, it's really good. And the gacha system is litteraly the best one I've seen until now, and I am not kidding. (the weapon banner itself PULVERIZES those from other gachas by a whole dimension)
_they actually need huge ass budget to be able to fully compete with Genshin…and im curious as to how long it takes between the patches to be released…can they keep up how Hoyo is doing with Genshin?…if Kuro would take long in between patches, then this game will be dead immediately…😂
I'll give my two cents as someone who plays PGR regularly and all the things will be about PGR since I'm from EU and I didn't get a chance to play WuWa. Kuro is very generous with the premium currency. I was able to obtain EVERY new character that got released without spending any money. They also give couple of selectors throughout the year to give players a chance to legit just pick a unit who they want in case they missed their banner. The combat is amazing, story is really good, it has autoplay in some event modes, end game is actually hard and events are fun the first time you play them, but over time they do feel like a chore. There are a lot of other good things about it, but PGR has a lot of bad things too. Firstly, the grind for f2p players is insane. It takes way too much resources to fully max out your characters, which could be argued to be a good thing, but for me it's not the best. I know I mentioned that it is very generous with the premium currency, but this is also where it sucks (imo). Since everyone can get every new unit, combined with the fact that power creep is INSANE in this game, it makes it so that you almost feel forced to pull for new characters, even if you don't like them. Another thing is that even though you can get every unit, you can't get their weapons/copies/pets. Sometimes having a weapon COMPLETELY changes how the unit is played. You don't pull for weapons for the extra stats, but the special effects that it provides that makes your life 10x easier. To be fair, I still believe that weapons and pets should be reserved for whales, just have to make sure that people understand that having a weapon for a unit is sometimes as important as having a unit itself. Imo it would be really good for WuWa to make it so that we can guarantee one/two units per patch. Last thing is something that shouldn't effect WuWa, but the differences between CN server and global is mental. Global will never catch up to the CN, no amount of copium will change that fact. The reason this sucks is that most content creators for PGR cover stuff for CN on youtube, but 90% of people watching will never have a chance to play on CN. Now imagine you get a BRS (Black Rock Shooter) fan who sees BRS in the game, and they decide to download the game and try their favourite, just to quickly get hit with a reality that the unit they want to play will be released in a year. This makes it so that by the time the unit does come to global, all the hype is gone, cuz there are 10 other sick units on the CN side, and sadly, it is impossible to hide yourself from the information, you will learn and hear about new units one way or another. I'm really hoping that they promote the game WAY more and get as many players to play, cuz the game has a lot of potential.
Too much grind to max a character? What? You can literally auto farm the stages once you get to lvl 25. Very easy to accomplish if you save serum for like a week to dump it all in the new version. Also, once you finish building all your characters, you only need to farm enough for one unit per patch. You then have ample time to prefarm for the next unit. In A rank patches, like Bombinata's, you don't even need to lvl up a character if you have the S rank variant for that role. That means you have an entire patch just to save resources. I feel like you're still playing catch-up building many characters, otherwise you'd never complain about this.
16:30 the only way to make this useful is doing like tower of fantasy but it still doesn't make sense why someone who only use guns have the same animation as the local copy of vergil
