WW2 Carter’s air raid siren. Attack sound 

We’re told this is progress. How ever for a firemen call out. It’s kinda understandable that sounding a siren, perhaps is a Socail disturbance to much in the middle of the night etc. But thank you to that insight on how some of these were used.

@@mintysgt I shared this to a group in my old village and it has created a lot of interest. Someone suggested that particular siren ended up at Woodlands fire fighting museum in Kent

coolpaul69 there was a few story’s. But no this is the very same siren which was removed. I tracked and traced via 2 sources, one of which was via the person that approved its removal. What group was it on in Facebook.

@@mintysgtThe Horton Kirby fre Station siren is in the Woodlands fire museum. Different siren but the Hastings siren story stired up memories in my old village when I shared it to there. 👍

@@coolpaul69 the siren at the Kent Fire Fighting Museum was made by Gents of Leicester. Not many around like this anymore.

It’s something you just shouldn’t like, yet draws you in

@@mintysgt imagine *CARTER CS8*

Gents and Carter are two different companies lol

@@kazuin_fan885 same sound

@@kazuin_fan885 but castle castings was also gents

It’s the loudest siren I’ve ever heard. Could feel it across your chest

No it makes me jump out of my chair and sprint to the fire station lol.

@@Jacloch Yes, when it's not just on RU-vid.

average grandpa

I like the castle castings better

There not being sounded in anger. Which gives it a less moody sense to start with

Also I think it’s the fact that there aren’t several going off at the same time. In the old footage of the air raids across London in particular, you would often hear several going off at the same time, some in the distance and some close by. This gives the overall sound a real haunting effect that chills you to the bone!

This is the sort of thing I’m referring to, the sound in this video…. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-erMO3m0oLvs.html

Wow, interesting. It definitely gets the message across.

i think because a microphone at close range cannot handle the volume and you hear distortion of the signal

Would you need so kind as to record some footage and send me to use on my channel.

or tornadoes

Quite often in talking about interests in ww2. People ask what’s the things you liked the most. Some people talk about individuals. Some it’s the tanks. Commonly your find a lot of people like the planes. For me and I appreciate the fear factor Associated with sirens, but like gas masks and the shelters. Sirens where a warning system that provoked people in to running for cover. So it’s actually an item, a sound that I often neglect the fear it also gave people. So it’s a life saving device all wrapped up in the middle of what is about to be the start of tragic events coming next.

@@dj-la--wolf1288 thanks mate

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They didn't go off during the cold War? They were maintained and updated in case they ever had to be used, but never used in anger. Kindof the whole point of the cold war

Well you hope it’s in safe hands. But given the weight. £20 to a scrap yard at least. Not everyone knows they have a decent value on the open market.

@@mintysgt Yes... me too... :) looking at your siren here, I recollect the one on the cinema roof was longer than the one you have. Also the ends of the siren rotors were enclosed within the casting, only having an open hole of approx 3 or 4 inches at either end in the center, where the central rotor fastening nuts could be seen. We could rotate the rotors through the end holes & even that felt heavy, it was indeed a beast!. Wish I could have got it down, but the weight of it, was unbelievable!.

@@galaxion62 mines somewhere bettween 90-100kg we think. What your possibly describing maybe a gents, which are round 120kg It’s not something anyone’s weighed. Educated guesses, in honesty when I shifted the Carter’s between me and the other bloke. Feels about right. Maybe a tad closer to 95-105kg going on lifting known weighted items etc

Thank you kindly.

Look at the french siren too 😉

I agree

@@erion0_042 We have a french in my village but I prefer the British

Oh

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I’m sure certain places around the world it’s a very powerful sound, an here in the uk, there’s the older generation still with us that know the sound for real life changing events moments later. How ever I do think people of my age and younger, we only hear mainly in films an don’t really grasp how fearful it really is. I like to think of them as life saving sounds.

Happen to agree with you

@@mintysgt Thank you

its not gonna be beautiful until you hear it for real . .

@@clone_cop let’s hope we don’t ever need to hear them in that sense.

Thanks for watching

I think I’m the current world. It’s hard for them to be used for a single use now. Like in ww2. But I do think like you say can be heard for 10 miles. Doesn’t discriminate anyone not looking or listening to Socail media etc.

BTW, I've given your video a link on my community page :)

mrmattandmrchay you guys are amazing. Thank you so much. Me and father are both big fans of your channel.

mrmattandmrchay in regards to how loud it was. I’ve stood under castle castings previously yes that was loud. But this carter. Have to admit was with out doubt so much louder. Even when stood outside the building on the second run

@@mintysgt Do you guys have an email that I can reach you on? Or pls send me an email at mattw.youtube@virginmedia.com Thanks :)

Sure is.

Sure

Very few remaining now in the wild. I’d assume the ones you talk about long gone now

@@mintysgt yes this one was torn down in the early 2000s when they dug a new entrance to the underpass it was near to and re-landscaped the area around it. I have no idea what happened to it.

@@limpet7r63 if removed as late as that, quite possible it still exists in someone’s collection now. How ever it’s origins may be long forgotten. I’m 93/94. The sirens that came down was just scrapped

@@mintysgt i heard that many were moved to flood plains.

Ouch. Liked the most of that. But last bit is a bit to real

What's the difference between the long wavering blast and 3,5,7?

@@ZA-mb5di I'm not sure I understand your question. If you understand how these sirens work, the explanation is in my comment. A wavering blast would be when the siren would get Loud & then quiet down about half way & then loud again & keep going like that. rrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrr 3 blasts was when the siren would bow & stop 3 times like rrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrr rrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrr rrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrr 5 times was just 5 blasts, like rrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrr rrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrr rrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrr rrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrr rrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrr 7 times was just 7 blasts, like rrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrr rrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrr rrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrr rrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrr rrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrr rrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrr rrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrr . I hope this explains what I meant.

@@prairiepatriotpreacher9738 so they're pretty much the same

@@ZA-mb5di NO! It's like honking a car horn. Holding the horn a long time is not the same as honking it 3 times, 5 times, or 7 times. None of them are the same.

Thank you. There be a few more Vids coming soon, as added a few more to the collection nown

Nail on the head. When talking to people, they all ways say how scary they are. No it’s not the siren. It’s what comes next is the scary part. This is to warn you an save your life

Ps, this carters is the only siren that’s made me want to stand much further away. It’s certainly the loudest one I’ve ever heard

@@mintysgt so true.

During my entire 48 1/2 years of life this was the scariest sound that I heard from a siren. It was heard during a fire when I was on vacations at my parents hometown, here in Portugal. I heard a lot of different ones from other towns firedepartments, but this one was the chillest of them all... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uxfJgzQjjqY.htmlsi=Y9vOhw1ZCNAZvbjh

Your local person to this then. Yes be great when it’s open for the public. In fact I can’t wait to hear it again myself. Was expensive toy to pass straight on to a museum but it the best hands now.

@@mintysgt Only about 1/2 hr away and never been before. Looks like a fantastic museum with the added bonus of a siren now. Great it’s been saved and preserved. Well done.

@@duprebs4401 I’ve got a video on here of the steam engines they have there. It’s well worth a visit, pretty sure there Cold War bunker I have a video on. How ever that’s all changing soon. Now they have my siren. A few things have been planned

@@mintysgt Great stuff. All being well, if there are open days this year I will get along.

Did you have an auto wailer with the siren? Or did you just interrupt the power supply?

Ha ha. Brillant

like to say was never any doubts, was always going to be when the time was right for the previous owner. Shocked how quickly the chance came up. was aware his uploaded a few vids. id of like that not to of happened but hey ho thats life

It’s a very odd siren this one. But there’s a lot of more common ones available should you wish to find one.

Indeed.

Thank you for your comment

That is awesome! I’ve always been fascinated with how those work.

Indeed

Kinda does don’t it.

@@mintysgt Yep!

Brand new in restoration. Have original ones saved still. Not sure why

It is after all the warning sound.

Thank you for your kind words. Wasn’t actually disconnected, been left live, how ever the siren was seized and wouldn’t of turned. But would of burnt out had someone broke in the control panel and tried it.

@@mintysgt it was still live? - wow! Where was it controlled from then? - town hall? As it was live, will it be replaced with another?

Jay Dee the warning system was dropped in 93. This siren was left behind/abandoned. In this rare Occurrence yet another rare occurrence happened maybe, or the two go together due to the nature of the 1st. The power feed for the siren was not cut off meaning that it was left live and disused. Was cut off in 2019 after the siren was removed. How ever the control unit in the cabinet below was stolen between 2016-18 I believe Bt and the police stations I believe would of had control of setting them off. In the 80s Bt set the local warning system of by accident in the middle of the night. When working in the exchange in the town centre at least that’s what I’ve been told.

@@mintysgt The siren going off in the middle of the night would have promoted a few bathroom trips I bet. Lol

coolpaul69 certainly would of been a few dramas

Thank you. I think so too

Mine reached for his old rifle an started looking at the sky

Ekkkkk

Agree with both of you… Nope

Can I use this description for my essay 😭😭

Sorry the expression is lost on me.

3phaze on tap here.

Do have some fish vids to edit real soon

Thank you

Lol

Ah right. Thank you for that. I wondered why it gets commented

Only scary when the warning sound stops

Lik

Yes wow indeed

Oh dear.

Sorry

Thank you for that interesting fact

It can also be heard in the 1960 version of the Time Machine.

@@RodBeauvex interesting facts

Hmmm. Sorry late reply RU-vid kindly hasn’t shown me comments for quite sometime now. An only just seeing many I have one for sale if your serious

John Kordish there’s a video. Already done.

John Kordish will be uploaded soon

lol

Or the sound that aided people to know when to take shelter an survive 🤔

yh

Not firmiliar with that film

Don’t panic.

@@mintysgt Really?

@@tonybarde2572 Yh was false alarm, pilot wasnt vaxxed had to return

@@mintysgt Oh

Well this one. Is from my home town. Was removed a few years back. Just got lucky that the owner was happy enough to let me purchase it and have put on display locally. Carter’s do come up on eBay from time to time.

Soon as I rip it of the 4K cam

Lol nice.

Take at look at the other vids mate

400V

I do have a castle castings siren for sale. But no idea how much that would cost to ship to Canada

Designed cheap at a time of Need I guess

No need for a brake, more to maintain and go wrong. These were relatively maintenance free as they were apart from an occasional lick of paint.

Yh does abit

Briars Avenue.

@@mintysgt Thats it ! At the junction at the top, on the end of the parade of shops. 👍

Jim-Bob Outdoors that’s the spot. It’s amazing how many people lives in our town. Didn’t even know it was there.

Not so much make them. Which I’m told they do. But there is so many second hand one about, your spoilt should you want one.

There’s many out there

Try me as I love these sirens

I can do that

Have you done the video yet

@@olliemccoy3342 afraid I haven’t been able to as of yet.

See to me. This making noise is not scary. It’s when the warning sound stops I’d be scared

Plays a wonderful sound

Lol

Oh right

No it’s very real.

Fair point

Loudest siren I’ve heard to date. Only one to ever make me feel slightly unnerved

@@mintysgt how many miles could you hear it from?

@@George-jz9fk I’ve heard story’s of sirens being heard quite some distance away. But the landscape is the main issue. This particular siren my father was late to the 1st local sounding of this siren. On arrival perhaps 6-7mins after it was sounded. Said approximately a mile away as he came over the last hill to the location. Thought he missed his chance as he neared the the top could hear the siren winding down very clearly Real bad conditions 2-300 meters away you could easily have enough landscape etc to not hear it at all. As demonstrated at a fuel depot a few years ago to me, in the right conditions you could hear it easily 2-3 miles after that I think the noise unless you knew it was going off and listened out for it would just be in heard back ground noise etc. How ever it’s effective range in all conditions is obviously key factor. Hence why some sirens in towns were located as little half a mile from each other. Hope this is of some use this reply. Despite a long response

Righty o

Suspense not your thing I guess lol

Does me, not sure it’s for the same reasons. Had I heard one for real it be different story.

They can be heard upto 2 miles with great ease and effect, thou many was used across towns and cities, due buildings and landscapes. How ever, under the right conditions, you can hear a single siren across a vast span of space, 10-15 miles. But of course has little effect, no ones really noticing it, almost got to be pointed out. Like an airplane passing by etc.

Well let’s hope not

Obviously I can’t tell your age here. But If like me we’re not old enough to ever of heard one sounded in real fear of what happens nexts. Our Association of sirens perhaps come’s from films which often followed by a great dog fight. Or destruction of town. To which the heroic scene starts of people throwing rumble of someone to rescue them. Ok not all films have happy moments. But the point is from someone not having been affected by the following moments. I think we appreciate them as life saving devices. Perhaps if we heard one with consequences afterwards we wouldn’t like them So much

@@mintysgt ok thanks

Think I just responded to elsewhere sgt major williams

Yes

Have to confess, i was pre warned that carters were very loud compared to others, and having been stood as close to a seacomak a few times when tested, i don't mind admitting this thing actually made me and a few others step back

😮

Not for sale. But I do have a castle castings one for sale £1500

Let’s hope not

Responded to your other comment, but for others interested. 90-100kg as no one seems to weighed one yet.

Minty's GT : Ah... many thanks for the precise info here, you certainly know your stuff... as I now recollect that the riveted data plate on the front of the motor housing read Gent Carter. Also that the motor housing was not a finned type, & that the siren rotors were not coloured red, but appeared to be just some alloy type of casting. I recall that a white powder residue was on the rotor blades that brushed off with a finger, similar to what we often find on alloy engine castings. The weight you estimate I would imagine is somewhere within what this may have tipped the scales at. But items feel heavier than they actually are, when the weight is condensed into a compact unit such as this. The main obstacle we faced, being that the siren was not actually located on the cinema roof, but was in fact on the roof of the building next door, being the old YEB (Yorkshire Electricity Board) offices. There was a large H iron girder which bridged a two foot gap, thus having a sheer drop between the two buildings, which we had to walk across in order to access the siren on the roof of the YEB building. Needless to say, balancing across that carrying such a weight was not really an option. It would not have been a pretty site if we had both 'come down' with the siren so to speak!. Pity I did not take a camera up there with me, as the mobile phone I had back then was a Nokia 3310 I believe, which did not have any such camera facility! lol.

@@galaxion62 I know a few bits and pieces on them. Certainly sounds like you made the right choice leaving it at the time. Sadly many do get scrapped even now a few have been demolished with out thought. It’s Becuase of this siren in the video I started photoing stuff. This siren suddenly disappeared from it pole. Assumed removed for safety reasons or even stolen was a rumour someone started. But slowly after speaking with so many people. A council worker confirmed was a permission removal, then pure luck I found the collector. Managed to purchase it and bring it back to its home town. Tried public funding but in the end cost me a arm and a leg. Well worth it thou

@@mintysgt : What a fabulous account of how you acquired this, I'm so pleased you managed to trace & acquire it after having disappeared from it's pole. I'm curious as to the location of it when on its previous pole, if you can tell me. I wonder if the one on top of Waterloo station railway bridge is still there. If you Google this, there is a photo of it. Cheers & many thanks :) .

@@galaxion62 mine was a reused ww2 location siren. We’re not entirely sure it sounded the air raids of ww2. There’s certain parts that are ww2 about it. But also some later then war parts. The closest guess. Is that it’s a recycled unit that failed to work when the Cold War warning system was being installed. There for modern parts fitted to it. It’s location is no secret. Was briers Ave in hastings.

Not something I could answer for awhile, it’s been placed in a safe place ready to be erected. But I will measure in time

No it’s Carter’s. But your not wrong ether. Eventually I will do a up close video and the restoration on it. These sirens are very uncommon only 3 known to of survived, it’s a genniune Carter’s motor. With like you say the chamfered ports, were not over positive why this is the case. Speculation is that it’s ww2 motor with later rota’s and stators fitted in the 50s for the Cold War I do agree doesn’t look like it. But when you see the motor housing and plaque your see it’s Carter’s.

Yes, you are right, it has all the signs of a Secomak, chamferred ports, balance weights etc. The motors were made by Brooks and if supplied to Carter had a Carter badge riveted below the Brooks motor rating plate. When Brooks supplied a motor for Secomak, the Brooks rating plate was replaced with an aluminium Secomak motor rating plate and the two rivets below fitted but with no extra plate. Even at that time manufacturers seemed to be sharing components. Unusually, this was definitely badged as a Carter so it is a Carter siren but you will find identical Secomak ones with different badges. Unfortunately as time has passed we will never know what went on.

Not millions.

At moment it’s just restriction, Burt house that donated will get a private hearing real soon.

Nice thank you so much for letting me know!

😳

Not really sure what you mean

Basically, people said that this sound was Ceará eas alarm (Ceará is a state from brazil)

@@ArlindoDublagens got ya

Indeed

Ok !

Many

Perhaps

It’s at breede steam giants in the Cold War bunker.

Hope you seen latest siren video.

No i have not at all.

Oh yeah i have seen it silly me!!!