When Bastion said "Humanity would rather die than have kids like us" It clicked for me. If the human-sentinel hybrids are more like mutants than sentinels, and if we harken back to master mould's analysis of humans and mutants being the same, it just boils down to master mould controlling the mutation
Yeah but unlike naruto, this was pragmatic. There was no conceivable way they could have saved Bastion from himself. Unlike Mganeto, who had multiple arcs that led up to his definitive change of heart at the beginning of the series.
Or he died to keep from turning humans into living robots, he been controlled and manipulated his hole life, he probably made this first free will choice of his life.
I’m so glad that he got what he deserved. No second chances, no unnecessary redemption arc, no unexpected sympathy. You can still sympathize with him but still hold him accountable for his actions.
Except the x-gene isn't evolution. That's like saying inhumans are the next step. Also, she's saying this in regards to Bastion, who technically isn't a mutant.
@@LordVanOskuro it is, Bastion even says in the future they begin outnumbering humans 10 to 1. Mutants are also canonically genetically called homo-superiors to which humans are homo-sapiens and before on the evolutionary theory, homo-neanderthals
@@Huff-Productions About that, why should that be a good thing? Considering how Marvel portrays humans, why is having a bunch of them with powers a good thing? Not to mention children of the children of the atom, like Graydon and Anya, are they going to end up being 2nd or 3rd class citizens? What about non-meta mutants? Making any kind of metahumans the norm is not a good thing and shouldn't be treated as such. It's the reason why old stories portrayed supervillains out numbering superheroes. Even MHA addresses this, albeit also getting around most of it by having most meta-abilities be very low, sighting it as the reason One for All can't be given to everyone. Its why I hate Marvel only saying there are legitimate issues with mutants, but not actually showing them. Bastion does bring up good points with Val, but its hollow because we don't see it in practice. Closest was Colossus in the original series, but they don't bring up that issue, and focus on him being confused for Juggernaut somehow.
Bastion was forced to believe that he was normal when he knew deep down that he wasn't. He pushed everything down until he had nothing else to do but snap and let the sentinel programming take over.
Yeah same, this may be me reading into things but watching the show I never saw bastion as purely evil because he was never purely bastion. Nimrod/mastermold altered him from conception to think/BE this so it’s almost like he never had the opportunity to exist as bastion (a literal “clockwork orange”). He was forced to exist with the programming of the sentinels in his brain forcing him into this direction and mentality. Part of me wished he didn’t die because I would have loved for them to explore this concept more/see how a redemption for this scenario could have been done, but regardless this is still a solid scene and solid end
This is especially poignant if you recall that Bastion's mother was a white supremacist (she was the waitress who complained about Storm & Wolverine being together in the season 4 ep "One Man's Worth"). So you could also interpret this scene if Bastion was one too & was trying to be talked out of that.
Magneto, Wolverine, Gambit, and Rogue also bad guys, some killed people. But if keeping the cycle of violence is not the answer, at the end Bastion died of his own actions But yeah fck that guy.
Also because the way things were going, some of them were going to die and that he was genuinely exhausted from this conflict that was not reaching any point.
You know in a other show, a meta gene is seen as a way to advance humanity. But here the x-gene is seen as belonging to a different species that signals the end of humanity?
Because it is not supposed to be part of human biology. The Gardener created it. And considering how Marvel likes to portray humans, metahumans are not a good thing to begin with.
Technically, the xmen are the result of the celestial's experiments on base level humans (recently, I think in the judgment day event it was revealed that mutants were revealed to descendants of deviants and baseline humans).
@@hetaliafan117 Close. Mutants are in some ways both humanity's evolution and the emergence of an entirely separate evolutionary line, an accident of sorts rather than the result of hybridization. The celestials just didn't become aware of it until entities like Franklin Richards (a mutant possessing the X-gene, despite all the confusion, while his parents would be classified as mutates due to receive their powers from an external source) began appearing. Even the first Apocalypse really didn't have any contact with them. He simply found the remains of an old celestial ship, merged with its technology, and rebuilt it. Judgment Day offered hybridization up as a possibility, but it was a character postulating what could be rather than being displayed as fact. A different panel shown quite some time ago displayed a celestial just full on admitting what mutants are and where they came from. Accompanying panels went into a bit of detail regarding what, precisely, happened.
It all came to his mothers choice to keep him away from Prof. X. Even a decision like that. Which at 1. seems insignificant and inconsequential for the world as a whole, can have a dire consequences for everyone
Bastian is not a mutant, he’s a cyborg from what we saw in his origins. Jean should’ve held on to the phoenix 🐦🔥 force for just one last shot. To do same thing as Sinister. Remove the sentinel nanotech nanites from within him. I’m betting it was also fueling his hatred for mutants. So take those away, make him pure human, he might think and feel differently with no strings attached.
Wouldn’t Bastion be anomaly (Spider-Man across the Spider verse) because he was created when Nimrod, a future robot, mess with his fathers DNA when he was born.
@@brockbell9429 Cable regularly goes back in time to prevent the bad future he's from. Plus there's all the times that Miguel has blatantly ignored his own rules about interfering in the past to give Peter Parker a hand.
I don't think Bastion died, I think he is the one who sent the Xmen to 3000 BC 3062AD and brought Apocalypse to the present, to show the Xmen are the one who is wrong and the future sans Bastion is Apocalyptical.
He was PROGRAMMED from birth, one thing is psicological but his fate was that... which is not impossible to change but at the same time a titanic feat for one-self.
He fell in a black hole, which in sci-fi is basically a portal with little side effects. They’ll have him in the shelf until they feel like using him again I assume
I mean I love the series but come the eff on. Dude straight up committed genocide and 'we should embrace him because he's the future (whatever that means)'? How use the law and justice and sentence him for his war crimes ffs?
Because he knew they would use the Magneto protocol and shoot down Astroid M which will result in humanity dooming themselves because Astroid M falling to the earth would wipe them out aswell.
Just How Great Is Cyclops ? , I Wanted Bastion To Win Until The Show Of Mercy & Great Speech Ftom Cyclops, How Great Are Cyclops & Bastion ? , F**king Great Characters..
Really can't believe Cyclops would be willing to recruit a psychotic xenophobe that massacred Genoshia and turned half of humanity into sole less mutant killing machines. He would have gotten the death sentence if Kelly wasn't the Senator
You don't want to forgive the truly sinful, don't. But if you can't don't ever claim you place in value in forgiveness if it only applies to superficial things. Cyclops is married to a destroyer of worlds. Magneto has as much blood on his hands as Bastion, Logan tried his darndest to add to his kill count and while Rogue might only have killed one person onscreen it was a far more spiteful kill than anyone else there. Should all of them be killed eye for eye and tooth for tooth?
@@blacksage2375 I see your point. But Bastion and Kelly stubbornly hold on to their deeply disturbed ideals about fear, hypocrisy and prejudice and will not ever stop until their goals are achieved, without regard who gets hurt, guilty or innocent. If they cannot be convinced, they need to be contained so they can never be a threat to anyone or anything
@@blacksage2375 This is like asking if you would forgive a mass murderer who has a psychological disease that can't be cured, that is like saying every person deserves forgiveness... as sad as this may sound, that is a mistake, sometimes.. you have to make a hard choice because no other option will stop the casualties.
@@farenhaid13421 By that standard, the X-Men should have just outright killed Magneto years ago whenever they had the chance, Wolverine should have never been allowed to join the team and been locked up like an animal for all his kills, and Jean Grey should have been destroyed years ago due to hosting the planet-destroying Phoenix. Does that sound right to you? Because it would make sense based on your "hard choices must be made to stop the casualties" rhetoric.
@@jordanloux3883 Oh please, spare me that bs, dont try to compare real life mentally ill losers with the mutants. At least the mutants are actually especial by having super powers instead of just mental illness.
I think he's still alive. If he melded with Cable's arm and the arm had the time travel cube thing in it. that means Bastion is free to travel to any point in time he wishes. It's possible he sent the X-Men across time. Whether or not it was intentional, I have no idea.
Bastion wasn't hatred. He had a specific goal and vision. He wasn't hatred incarnate. And until the end he had dignity. Pure respect for him. I love this scene. Bastion got salvation before his destruction. I love this so much.
Bastion is the best TAS X-Men villain so far. Sinister........................yeah yeah, compelling, funny, satisfactory defeat. Apocalypse is on the same tier, so far. His defeat was also poetic, but he didn't lose his face like Sinister. Apocalypse still wans't broke on a psychological level as his Victorian student. Magneto is an Anti-hero, who else? it all leads: to Bastion, Sinister, Apocalypse, and random antagonists. As I said, TAS villains, don't start discussing Comicverse, other or animated properties. I just wanted to let you know that I won't respond. I love them too.
Before Seeing This Series I Only Knew He Was A Half Master Mold/ Half Nimrod. After Seeing This Series - I Jumped On The Bastion Bandwagon Too Quick --- GREAT CHARACTER !..
These thought leaders there plans and dreams always hit an age..that by those movements alone cannot last so they give away to another dream or movement. Xaviers dream can stick if enough beings purposely pursue it regardless of the results. Hitting the resulting time of peace as often as possible until it sticks is the only way to finish things. The other paths only end in struggle and suffering and nothingness. It's all bigger picture. Even though only asgardians or celestials may live long enough to actually see it in a way to grasp it. Everyone else the plan outlasts average life.
This was actually pretty lame. Dude was a genocidal madman that needed to be put down. Also he should have been way stronger than that sentinel. He was tanking hits from rogue the whole time.
J.A.R.V.I.S. is what I'd call an actual AI. Vision is also an AI and yet he and Scarlet Witch - a mutant and Magneto's daughter - are often shown to have a sort of romantic relationship. The Sentinels are just mere machines and tools. They don't have the capacity to grow beyond their main directive to annihilate mutants. Ultron is an AI, Vision is an AI, Ultron developed an Oedipus Complex towards Hank Pym while Vision determines that The Avengers were good people and turned against his creator - he even cried when the Avengers decided to accept him despite his origins. The Sentinels have no purpose beyond their predetermined one, and they don't seek purpose beyond their original programming. They're no different than a gun whose entire purpose to exist is to fire a bullet, just as Bastion would rather die than be saved by a mutant. The only regretable thing here is that Bastion isn't actually an AI, he's a person with the potential to grow past Nimrod's programming.
@@youraverageguy4930Pretty much this. Like if it was characters like Vision, Jarvis, Machine Man, Dethlocke, Jocasta, Victor Manchia, Drax (he was originally like an android), Viv, Doombot and Rom the Space Knight that would be morally unethical on the X-Men part to do so. Otherwise the Sentinels don’t count due to lack of an actual sentience on their part save for a few rare exceptions.
@@LordVanOskuro you do know that a huge element in Danger and Warlock's are their journey to understand themselves, right? Danger constantly shifts between being an enemy and an ally to the X-Men as her sense of morality developed, and Warlock didn't care about destroying his progenitor, unlike other young members of his species. He even joined the New Mutants as he befriended them. I think the problem with your line of thinking is that you think the X-Men despise AIs because some of their enemies utilize them. That sounds almost as ridiculous as thinking that the mutants hate people who wears pants "due to their history with bad people who wore pants".
