X-Men Ignored Everything Cool Hickman Set Up 

It’s so sad that X-Men went from the coolest franchise to the lamest in only a few years.

It never occurred to me that Hickman’s X-Men was meant to be the sequel to his Avengers run until recently. To think of what could’ve been if he was allowed to stay on is such a bummer.

Never has a series needed so desperately to get back to basics. This was already the case when Hickman took over, and I was disappointed to see he strayed further away from the basics than anyone ever had before, in the space of just 1 issue! Wouldn’t it be great to have the Xavier school in Westchester (and not Central Park or f--ing Limbo!!!) open for business again, teaching new mutants how to control their powers and policing mutants who misbehave, and doing what they can to get on with the ordinary folks of the world? It worked for the movies, it worked for the cartoon and it used to work just fine for the comics. Marvel comics seem determined to never get back there though.

In an alternate world... Xavier: I dream of a day mutants and humans live in harmony. Magneto: This is fine.

I was CERTAIN that at some point, we would learn that the REAL original X-Men were locked up in stasis, buried deep inside Krakoa, and that they would eventually get released to set everything right.

It's a variation of "You can only write characters as smart as you are" , there's nobody in that X office smart enough to understand what Hickman was doing, never mind write it.

I feel like the villain would've been. Beast or Destiny if it wasn't suppose to be Moira.

In Marvel Dark Age (Alternate Universe) storm and black panther has a kid in that world. Does anyone remember that in the trial of the Scarlet Witch where she gave the mutants of Krakoa this one specialty ressurection tree she made that allows them to bring their dead fellow mutants battle life sort of like a waiting room. And then suddenly everyone seems to have forgotten about it. Or even during the events of the X-Men Fantastic Four crossover that Reed had whispered something to Xavier but we never found out what it was either.

Dok wants he's money back! I agree give him, his money back!

I came back to comics with House and Powers. It went to shit quickly and I bailed. Disappointed doesn’t do it justice.

Every crazy theory that came from HoX/PoX was better then what they did.

I feel that “Marvel ignored everything” could be used to describe most Marvel stories and decisions nowadays. Maybe we shouldn’t be shocked about this since a few years ago they decided to ignore the fact that Captain America had been opposing fascism for more than seventy years (and were actually shocked by the massive backlash that caused).

This ain’t a surprise to me and honestly at this point I just want move on this from this era of x-men and focus on hopefully something good but we shall see how it turns out in the future.

10 Deaths of Wolverine with Hickman and Capullo would be amazing. I'll take what we are getting, but that would be better.

Great autopsy of the Krakoa era, boys. Thanks.

Oh yea I absolutely loved “Lost”, I would spend hours on websites discussing what was really happening. Then they utterly destroyed the ending and answered nothing, that show was the biggest letdown ever.

Imma say the Villain was Bastion. In one of the Promotional art they actually have Moira and Charles running away from Bastion and his prime sentinels. I think they don’t want to discuss it know because of the new show just ended and the weird line executives have with comics to shows to movies.

I think the original HoX/PoX was great, and I liked Zdarsky's Fantastic Four tie in issues, but I doubt they ever paid that off, because Charles Xavier was just a straight up villain at that point. But Krakoa has been going on for years afterward, and I still don't know what the hell they were going for. Krakoa needs to go the way of Genosha.

Maybe someone could get Hickman drunk, and have him release his story ouline

I like the idea of Storm having a baby. She was seen as a nature goddess, a fertility goddess prior to joining the X-Men, so it kinda stands to reason. However, I think it would be more interesting if she doesn’t tell anyone who the father is. It would be more mythic that way. Seems like something a *good* writer could explore.

They wrote themselves into a corner and didn’t know what to do. They made everything a mess.

Pretty sure Uel would of enjoyed Moira wearing Mary Jane as a skin suit.

They did a few things with the resurrections. X-23 went into the Vault and the X-Men believed she had died. So they resurrected X-23. Turns out, the X-23 in the Vault didn't die, she aged 100 years and took on the monicker Talon. So she was the real X-23 actually. Then, Talon died. The real X-23 is dead! Nobody cares. Wolverine was soooo worried about X-23 being in peril in the Sabretooth War, but, she was a clone! A clone of a clone but still. Then there was Beast who was resurrected as his younger self from back when he was an Avenger, because his older self became evil, for unexplained reasons. So, they did some things, none of this was well thought out or even good.

I love it: "Legion of Doofuses" ha ha ha The one thing I wish X-Men would get rid of : Time Travel stupidness

I had a feeling that they would drop the ball. And thus never went back after house/ powers lmao what a train wreck

Boils down to this. Tom Breevort was able to work with Hickman to craft a Avengers run that led up to Secret Wars. Giving us a grand cosmic story centering around Dr Doom attaining final power yet still loosing it in the end. Jordan White was able to drive Hickman away and do a bunch of useless X-Men stories that got him removed as editor and completely wasted the talents and ideas of Hickman. That sound about right? WTF20.

Black Panther and Storm were still a couple in Black Panther up until the God awful Ridley run of Black Panther last year. It hasn’t been “Years” ago.

X-men needs saving!!

I would have loved to have seen Hickman’s plans for The Imperial Guard. I read that he had plans for them . I think that there might have even been a mini .

I always believed that the reason the mutants were so pit of character was gonna be because Xavier was altering there minds somehow. Hickman obviously left and the writers just thought that that was intentional I guess. Now the x men we have don't even feel like the real characters anymore.

As usual, thanks for the awesome video.

Awesome work guys

THIS is the Getting Closer to the Moment I Keep speaking on for the past for year. we will see in full time how HISTORY will not be kind to these people Behind this Book. this is the biggest fumble in this comic book decade and it may be even More... they blew this one bad

The krakoan era is filled with shit the writers forgot all about. Like a great deal of the characters. You have to make shit up yourself to make the krakoan era make sense. Turning Moira into a mutant was stupid.

Wow. The Krakoa era really IS the Lost of comic books. That is probably the single best way to describe what happened. Even in spite of all of the things Hickman tinkered with to set up his new status quo, you will never convince me that it couldn't have been one of the most interesting X-Men stories ever and the best thing the franchise has had since Remender's Uncanny X-Force if Hickman would have just written his own self contained and self-directed story like he did for every other book he's written for Marvel. MAYBE his grand collaborative idea for the line could have worked if he was surrounded by more competant and intelligent talent (only the work of a handful of them were worth anyone's time imo), but nope. They just wanted to bring Hickman in for the eyes and the sales pick-me-up so they could go right back to doing a different shade of the same aimless, stupid bullshit they were already doing before he showed up. I will always love HOX/POX for all of the cool ideas it set up, but the Krakoa era of X-Men and Hickman's tenure on the franchise will probably go down as one of the biggest wastes of potential in modern comic book history. Only the derailment of the DC Rebirth roadmap even compares imo, but even DC at least got 2-2.5 years of mostly decent comics out of it.

To hire a premiere writer like Hickman - a guy who has mapped out winning stories for FF and Avengers (probably the last, great stories for either of those titles, sad to say) - have him map out a winning epic for X-Men, only to say, in the middle of it, 'Nah, we're gonna do something different, sorry - oh, don't worry, this idea is better' - that sounds like ego and cope to me. How crazy do you have to be to think you know better than a guy who's twice done what you've never done?

When Kate Pryde couldn't use the Krakoa gates i thought it was weird could she be up to something. Then later she became the Hellfire Club Red Queen then it seem at one point the power started getting to her head . I thought she was going to do something against the Krakoa laws then cover it up and then she lets it spiral out of control and Krakoa ends up being lost . Krakoa Era was a fun idea but they didn't know how to pull it off . X FORCE i think was a bust for some people because most of the Issues happen on Krakoa and not going after who or what ever wanted to harm Mutants . They should had maybe 5 to 6 boos and not shelf as many Mutants they did . The Krakoa Era there was so many Mutants we never saw in the books . i thought they could have had a book where maybe like Psylocke & Greycrow form a team with unused Characters and go around Krakoa like the police or watchmen and every so many issues the change out the other 4 to 6 members kind of like a jury duty or lottery system for Nation members not on a team

You know, it's things like this that should be Marvel What Ifs. These ridiculous What If Miles or Venom were other heroes books are pointless. But something like this, an alternate Krakoan era where Hickman saw it to the end, would be a gangbuster miniseries What If.

I disagree with Dok slightly, you could definitely sell me a book based on an Eminem cameo, if they let him rewrite his dialogue so it sounds like the authentic way Em would yell about being attacked by aliens or evil mutants or some other shit. And if it wasn't from Marvel.

Isn’t storm gonna get pregnant in ultimate black panther? I like the couple so I’m happy but he must be a big fan

Storm having BP’s child… or any of the X-Men evolving and showing age, would’ve been nice. It’s weird that so few of the mutants have had kids… ESPECIALLY since Krakoa made it a law, and Most Storm and BP fans want them back together. Next time, just let Hickman cook.

nice vid

Wasted potential because it started really strong but ended with a whimper (instead of a bang). Even with a lot of filler material between Hickman should have his prelude in HoX, middle in Inferno and finale in FoX maxi. Knowing Hickman he wanted to explain the stuff that was teased so I'm seriously waiting on a What If series where they don't abandon the World with Fantomex, Cypher taking Moira's role with Phalanx, FF repercussions etc. because that's what I wanted to read.

I feel sorry for die-hard X-Men fans. The history of this group over the past 15 years is confusing as ffff.... And does anybody know where Krakoa is exactly on Earth-616? I can't remember the last time I bought an X-title, but it was well over 15 years ago at least. Disney's Marvel is off the charts bad in 2024.

Hickmans X-men was ok but I still think X-men hasn’t been good since Carey’s run to be honest.

What's sad is Hickman is a high concept author that always executes and delivers on his concept. You can tell he was setting up something for the ages, that he really wanted to leave his stamp on X-men and have it go down as one of the all-time great X-men arcs. But the company is run by greedy parasites. They latched onto the Hickman X-men, sucked it's blood, and left it weakened until Hickman gave up and left. They took and co-opted and subverted and used his history of well-received work to sucker both Hickman and the fans. They blew it.

So many set ups and forgotten story lines ..but I'm sooo glad tini Howard got numerous titles to finish her garbage story lines ...I'm going to stand by the statement that this era of x men has to be the biggest dropped ball in comic history...it amazes me how Jordan white was allowed to do all this

I don’t think that HICKMAN wrote Moira skinning Banshee! I think that Percy wrote that . Did Banshee come back from that , anyway?

Hickman should have stayed. He set up some great things with his run only for the other writers to shit on his work. That's why they don't need to change writers during a saga. Take pages out of Manga and keep a person on the whole saga and let them finish their story.

Krakoa was a huge mistake that cost all the heroism and characterization of the X-Men. Xavier is now a villain and the X-Men are all killers. Krakoa was a awful experience that should have ended with Moira dying and reseting the entire timeline as if nothing had happened. But no, Marvel choose just moving on with all this shit and can't understand that you cannot make these corrupted characters play the heroes again. There's no more a single one moral person in that team anymore. While Marvel don't erase this dumb fanfic out the main 616 canon I never will read a new X-Men book again.The franchise is dead to me. The great message that Krakoa Era is leaving to us is that all the hate and prejudice in toward mutantkind always was justified because all them can be dangerous and homicidal individuals like Magneto.

It started out with great potential then they took Hickman off replaced him with Disney puppets & it all went to hell PERIOD!

The problem with Krakoa is that... There was no conflict. And that's ignoring the fact that Hickman killed the X-Men in universe. If you go read the process of how they 'resurrect' Mutants you'll quickly find out that these aren't actually the real ones, they're copies using imprinted memories from a backup hard drive. Hickman clearly didn't want to write X-Men. Back on topic, what WAS the threat that these cloned things faced? It just felt aimless and pointless, nothing Hickman created worked beyond saying 'This is the status quo'. The Hollywood Hacks fumbled the ball because none of the setup worked for any sort of story telling.

Would you recommend reading his X-Men stuff even though it didn't get a proper ending?

Has Jordan Peterson ever made a decision that paid off well?

Yeah no thanks on the wedding bs

The more I hear news like this, the more I want to avoid buying anything from Marvel.

Yeah, and they waaaaay overused the Resurrection Protocols. It just totally cheapened the meaning of any deaths in the X-Universe. I think that it was Hickman’s way of just answering the cliche of why everyone keeps returning from death , but other writers used it as a crutch .

Hickman did a good job

Hickman's own X-Men sucked after HoX PoX (X-Men 1-19 and the few issues of New Mutants.) I refuse to believe he had some brilliant plan with his awful HoX PoX status quo until he actually says what it was.

Hickman made cyclops and wolverine gay. He was the worst X-Men writer of all time.

It’s sad that they didn’t give Hickman carte blanche like he had with avengers and fantastic 4 which culminated in the bonkers ass secret wars. We could have got that treatment with X-men. I don’t understand why he was given X-men but then being told no to ideas he had? Hickman is a slow burn, build up, high concept writer . Reading how Jordan white was such a block to Hickmans plan really pisses me off. It’s a shame what we could have had as opposed to what we got