It makes so much sense now... That explosion blows up everything, except chips. It being a copy removes the threat of the virus, which comes back on X2, but with the other control chip.
Zero having a copy body seems to be a reoccurrence throughout his life. 🤔But Zero having a copy body in order to function in X1 is an interesting idea. Would also explain how the X-Hunters were able to retrieve his body as well. Gotta jot these into notes.
Right? X might've snatched the Control Chip off of Zero's body when he sacrificed himself to destroy Vile's armor. While the rest of him went down along with Sigma's Fortress in X1 ending.
@@StressmanFIN That would add up. It's likely he removed the control chip while taking his arm parts (I like to believe we can have it both ways that X received the arm upgrade by Dr. Light, but then took Zero's arm parts to upgrade the charge) in the hopes for Dr. Cain to fix him. Kinda like how the Robot Masters were able to be restored if Mega Man preserved their IC Chips, as shown in the Archie Comics and Powered Up.
Honestly, as much as I like this design, I feel that the latter makes Zero feel more "knightly" as a character, which seems like the intent behind the character. It is also why I think that in the Zero series, his design could use some shoulder pads to make him have a bit more unique silhouette compared to other major characters, especially Phantom has an insane amount of similarities in his design to Zero
Honestly, Omega should've had some shoulder pads and chest armor. They never should have made his boss sprite just a copy of Zero's player sprite. Yes, I get it, upgraded body and all. But more armor to symbolise status and strength? Should've been there. I mean, look at X8 and Command Mission. Those versions of Zero look almost close to MMZ in terms of modern looks ans sleekness.
@@TheDoomsdayzoner I mean for me it is made less of an issue by the fact that in Zero 2 we can see X's original body being upgraded similarly to Zero (mostly sprite of it during dialogue before the final boss fight and then the brief look at it during the cutscene panels) so again the upgrade isn't bad thing IMO, but lack of shoulder pads does take away a bit from Zeros uniqueness
I REALLY like the idea of X1's body being a fake. For one, it ties into the themes of the Inti Create titles pretty nicely, even if accidentally, but even more importantly to me, it just sounds...better. As much as I am okay with Serges/Wily repairing Zero, I always had a bit of an issue with him UPGRADING Zero. Yeah it is many years later with better tech and more resources, but if that is why he could be upgraded, then why is it that nobody, even hundreds of years down the line, is capable of fully comprehending Zero's body despite technological advancements? So it felt odd that his creator just magically had the ability to enhance Zero for no real reason other than "Well he's Zero's creator." Having it actually be that he wasn't enhancing, but rather RESTORING the body he originally made makes so much more sense. Zero didn't get stronger from X1 to X2, the X1 model was a downgrade, and X2 is him FULLY reviving back to his original strength. That just feels more right.
There goes my theory that the X1 body was basically an unfinished version of Zero. As my headcanon was that Wily knew he couldn’t finish Zero so he made a copy of his consciousness as an AI to work on Zero, while he finished other tasks (aka Cell from DBZ).
You still may not be too far off. Despite him being completely disgraced. That one dude's theory about Serges being an avatar or incarnation of Wily is still plausible.
@@VelenZaiga to be fair it wasn’t even his theory. It was something the devs themselves implied even in behind the scenes docs (the way it’s written the later is definitely meant to think Wily is Serges but never actually confirmed)
@VelenZaiga Fukunishi (one dev named in this video) said he envisioned Serges as an assistant Wily made in his image with him also talking about Wily doing experiments in seeing if robot bodies can carry memories/characterization/otherwise act like or be someone else.
X1 Zero is the Zero Sigma fought, so it's the Zero that first exited the capsule... By those standards, it IS the original Zero, but it clearly wasn't the Zero which Wily envisioned, since both Power Fighters 2 and MMX2 confirm that Wily's blueprints differ from X1 Zero's design.
That is still a possible theory. The statements by original devs may have some weight, but only canon weight, if those statements were made while they were still under Capcom as either employeés or contracted personel. To compare: Inafune may have left Capcom, but his answers to the fans back then are still canon, as they were made under Capcom and not outside of the company.
This mind blow. The pieces of the puzzle are making senses because when the X-hunters stole Zero originally body unlike Dr. Cain knowing how to fix it Serges would know how to repair zero body because the rumor is that Dr. Wily mind Serges body so he would know how to fix it.
NGL it took me a little bit to realize Zero had a different design in X1 compared to the other games. The plotline of X1 Zero being a copy body should've been used more within the X series, maybe Serges uses parts of it to create an army of Zero clones
I have to wonder if the replica body Zero might explain the whole upgraded X Buster. Though I guess that opens a whole new can of worms of why Cain has Light's buster blueprints and that X never got that upgrade to begin with.........eh
Hm. XDive names the X1 Buster as the "Military Buster". Which maybe Cain made research on X's normal buster and upgraded it for other Reploids? The First Armor's buster happens to be similar.
Afaik. It was Dr. Cain who originally discovered Dr. Light's lab, alongside with X's sealed capsule. He might've left behind records or even blueprints, that Cain then reverse-engineered. That, or Wily at some point stole the designs for X-Buster, built it for Zero, so now his and X's parts are interchangeable or smth. I dunno.
Keep in mind that X always discards his armors at the end of each game, because he doesn't want to be too powerful and get in over his head, and also to preserve his identity as a peacekeeper, as a fully armored body is more the mark of a warmonger. I would explain this by saying that Dr. Cain found some blueprints for the buster, offered it to X and Zero, and while Zero accepted without hesitation, X didn't want something he believed himself to not need, so he rejected it.
@StressmanFIN It's about canon that Wily copied Light's work in making X to build Zero. X's design overall is similar to Zero's hence being able to incorporate his weaponry. Zero has a suffering circuit. And X Dive's backstory for X-Kai says that Wily used notes for X in making him.
I wonder if this whole explanation of Zero having multiple bodies in X1 is meant to resolve a possible plot hole where in the arcade game Mega Man The Power Fighters, in Bass’ ending Wily shows Bass a silhouette of a blue print for Zero but you can tell from the shoulder pads it’s Zero’s X2 design rather than the X1 design. I just assumed Wily died before he could finish Zero and his X1 design was incomplete.
Oh man, that sure is a big reveal about the story! To be honest, it makes more sense that way, to have the X-Hunters steal the original body of Zero, instead of the X1 replacement. I always found hard to believe how they managed to recover Zero's X1 body, considering how Sigma's fortress blew up and then sank into the ocean. xD
@edwardwebb5636 Fukunishi actually said that Serges was envisioned as a robot assistant made in Wily's image. He said in that same thread that Wily would have made Serges to think like him for an experiment.
i always took the w on zero's helmet being a restraint dr. wily put on zero to keep him from leaving the lab.(love for x5 they used the original design fitting how it was the essence of zero's past trying to awaken him to the ultimate killing machine he was before & would definitely make a awesome figurine with his pipe. :3) that's SO amazing zero in x1 was a copy housing his integrated chip("soul" for robots/reploids,could see when x took zero's parting gift maybe took zero's chip with him.) with the x-hunters taking the housed away original body/the broken capsule was where the fake was made.(really love finding out about the concepts of capcom's series/how different the story was.:3) i did love that sheer brutality zero had in the cutscene going from using a pipe to simply SLICING sigma's arm off with just his hand showing how potentially dangerous zero was physically(alongside the visual of him scarring sigma's face while he was down for a bit before just kicking him around really gives the feeling when wily sealed him away knowing he was too dangerous probably had some regret for it before he immediately died after sealing zero/for all we do know about his fate zero possibly did that to bass succeeding in killing him before wily restrained him.)
From X1 i get the feeling that Zero has sort of an elite hunter grade buster and that's why X's armor has the same buster, the way it is named in X dive seems to corroborate this interpretation. I like the idea that Reploids can change busters whenever they want.
Fascinating detail for them to suddenly bring to light. Nice find regarding the original body being put into stasis, this aligns much better with the overall narrative (excluding Dr. Cain's inability to clearly communicate basic information in X2)
I actually noticed it too. Since it's actually scarily similar to Wily's bat-style hair. A small little detail that everyone overlooked that foreshadows who built him.
Something I feel like pointing out about the whole copy body stuff in the Zero series: A lot of people make the mistake of thinking that Omega can't be inside of Zero's original body because it looks different. Identical to the copy body that Zero is in at the time aside from some slight differences in color. However, this is because of a misunderstanding. Omega is in fact inside of Zero's original body, he's just not wearing Zero's original armor. It's an upgraded armor that is whatever Zero upgraded to most recently before he lost that body and was put into the copy body, and the copy body was given a copy of the same upgraded armor to match. In fact, Zero's copy body in the Zero series would very likely look identical to his original body if the two were standing side by side without armor. As an additional fun fact; the copy body in the Zero series is actually the result of a retcon. At the time Zero 1 was written, the intention was for Zero waking up at the beginning of the game to be the next thing that happened to him after being sealed away in X6. It's because of this that he later makes a statement to Copy X that although he can't remember for himself, his body can remember that the original X was stronger than Copy X. Zero later returned in X7, and so Zero's unsealing in Zero 1 was reconned in Zero 2 and 3 to have been a different sealing than the one that took place in X6 to account for his presence in further X series games. It seems that him being sealed away in the copy body was likely chosen as a way of being able to distinguish between the two sealings: Once in his original body, and then once again in a copy body. This also implies that the original intention was likely for his armor upgrade to have taken place while he was unaware and in stasis before waking up in Zero 1, but that would have been before the retcon threw a wrench in the original plans and things had to change.
I’ve always heard the story that, due to the blueprints at the end of Power Fighters, the blueprint showing X2 Zero was how Wily intended to create him, but never finished it. Serges, popularly believed to be Wily, then had the knowledge to complete him properly once the X-Hunters got a hold of him.
So Zero canonically knows how to do a Rider Kick. Or does he?? Y'know, considering that while Irregular Hunter X is a remake of Rockman X1, you can actually hit Sigma with the Hadou-ken here, something that can't be done in any other version due to literally every game since the PSone era having two fire buttons (with the second actually allowing access to the X Buster even while having Irregular Weapons equipped)...
I'm working on a mega man x fan game and what we are doing is having both X and zeros' body's be modular so when Zero or X finds a battle chip, speed chip exedra you can change the function or change how much energy goes into each part to gain new or heighten previous ability's.
Crazy thing. One reason why I absolutely loved Megaman Zero's design is because it was impo the prefect blend of his Original and Updated designs while giving his unique features more prominence. I liked how his shoulders were rounded again, the 'Less is More' status of his boots and gauntlets, and how his horns were both more defined yet aerodynamic. Also, the slimmer chassis felt like a return to form over the blockier body he had in X2 and beyond. (And losing his 'Z Titties' was an improvement impo) His original design truly never got the love/apprecition it deserved. But in away we kind of got to return to it. "We end, as we began." Never fails to stand true.
Returning again, now that the dust seems to be settling... One little trivia tidbit: In Fenri Lunaedge's stage in Mega Man Zero 4, the Z-Knuckle can be used to pick up a pipe sticking out near the end of the stage.
Where did Sigma fight Zero? I believe that Mega Man X6 answers this question: after you beat Ground Scaravich, Alia will reveal that during his past life, he was sent to a forbidden area to get some classified data. It was where X and Zero were found (they were likely in the same general area). Since Scaravich didn't have the proper credentials to be in that area, Alia ended up 86ing him.
Yo how long is it going to take someone to make x1 and x2 playable from zeros perspective with his own story. Like a million rom hacks and nobody's done it. Just zero playable in the same old game
The hidden stories are the ones I'm interested in. Like the original megaman being turned into quint, what happens to proto, did Bass try to take on zero and fail (head Canon) what happened to roll and rush, did they get killed when megaman was taken in the future?
here's the difference between X1 Zero(Zero 1st form) and Zero 2nd form in my opinion. the X1 version is more focusing on long range combat/using buster and he is also using martial arts technique in the X1 remake. the second form version is a sword fighter mainly using saber and saber technique but still using some martial arts skill and the Z buster.
oh i almost forgot,my context about Zero is using pipes against sigma's saber is that sigma's saber is probably the earliest types of beam saber and why Zero can counter sigma's saber is because Zero's power can make the pipe more stronger and more durable or he can just channel his power to the pipe. i call that the original Zero knuckle.
This is honestly mind blowing info that fits perfectly into the entire lore Power battles has Wily showing Bass his Zero with X2 design meaning thats his final product. X1 Zero loses to Vile yet he rocked Sigma with a metal pipe which doesnt make sense unless the Zero that fought Sigma was that much stronger in an original proto body X1 Zero is never shown having issues with the Maverick virus. X1's Zero has a crappy auto repair system because its not his original body. X2-X3 onward, the ending hints at fighting Zero because he got his body back X2's Serges is stated to have a form of Dr Wily's mind. Making him able to finish Zero's broken body. Who knows. Maybe Wily knew he wouldnt finish so he did this as back up. X5 Zero in his original body survives a world changing cataclysmic event without a scratch. He also auto repairs his entire body when hes just a torso. In Megaman Zero 4, Zero does not survive the cataclysmic event because hes in a fake body. 😢
okay,i think we might need X1 to be remaked once more with 4 playable characters with following sequel as well before we get to the long awaited Rockman X9. -playing as X is the true story -playing as VAVA is the noncanon BAD(as*) ending and the rest two playable characters are: -X1 zero with Z buster and the martial arts learning techique -and marty(you know, the mermaid repliroid girl in the manga,and we probably need a new name for her) for aquatic mission side of the story.
Best design so simple and savage. X1 zero has always been the fav. And for the x1 rom, they should give him a dbl buster charge shot for getting x’s buster, and instead of the hado-pipe swipe 😂
I always thought the pipe thing was weird lmao I never found it to make sense that a lead pipe can go toe to toe with a high focused energy friggin beam saber 🤣
This new information is cool, it does explain how Zero is in a reploid body in the first game even if he was chronologicaly created before X. I like the idea his copy body was completely destroyed, since he did self-destruct willingly y hopes of destroying Vile, it makes sense if his copy body didn't survive. In a design sense point of view, Zero concept was that Zero was the preview of how much X would change into after getting his upgrades, so it makes sense his using an reploid body based of X himself and with similar abilities. But when it came the time to make him a fully playable character the changes in his design and abilities were introduced so to make them more distinct and fun to play the two different options of playing the game
Zero saving you from Vile was so awesome! Then he sacrificed himself to save you and gave you his buster. It was so good! So heroic and will always be one of the greatest moments in gaming for me!
That explains everything right there.. Holy smokes. I never noticed all that until now.. But now i really like Zero's design from X1 and from Command Mission.. So Basically Zero was in a copy body while his original body created by Dr Wily was still in repairing then 🤔 fascinating since after his first fight with Sigma.. Now I'm more curious about what i missed behind Zero..
Great video and thanks for the new info! I'm a massive Mega Man X fan, so It's great to see information like this discovered. Also, regarding that toe attack... It's very reminiscent of an attack by another Capcom character, Akuma from the Street Fighter franchise. I could see some cross-pollination between teams, and adding some of the sauce from another bad guy in the Capcom roster makes sense to me.
I initially thought the x1 body is his prototype body which was later upgraded to the design Wily had in mind by Serges. The X1 version has a sleeker design while the complete version was much bulkier. The Zero series one went back to the smaller form maybe to look more closer to a human.
My theory was that the virus sensed that Sigma's body was more advanced and paralysed Zero so Sigma would attack the crystal and the virus transfered into Sigma, corrupting him. Your explaination does cover how Zero got more powerful afterward... Perhaps my theory just got more ground, thanks to you...
Well if that person who worked on X1 and X2 says that Zero was using a pirate copy body made by Cain, it would make sense on why X would later be compatible to use Zero's buster at the time, since technically ALL the Reploids were made by Cain using Dr. Light's schematics for X, and it would also technically make Zero an actual reploid since that copy body was replicated from X's design, and as it was created by Cain then X should have no risk at getting infected by the Zero Virus since it was not Zero's original body, but while all of this makes sense what doesn't make sense is; How the heck was Cain able to make a superior buster to X's base design, since it was mentioned time and time again by himself that X's systems were too advanced for him to understand, yet it is canon that Zero's X1 buster is superior to X's base buster and you can even argue it is better than the Light upgrade, because if you compare them in the only game where they act differently, which is in Maverick Hunter X for the PSP, Zero's buster has higher damage output in the fully charged shot and can take down bosses easier, but it still incorporates X's copy weapon system and can even charge up the powers that X acquires, which like I said would not make any sense if Cain did not understand X's systems, and if he could make a buster that strong that had the copy abilities, then why would he not equip his "best creation" who was Sigma with that kind of technology, but would then do so for the robot that actually almost destroyed his best creation, it just doesn't follow any sound logic if you really think about it, but hey I guess if one of the developers is who said that this was the canon, then even if it doesn't completely make sense, we just have to roll with it...
Basically, the replicate body is mostly inconsequential. If I were to interpret the dev's comment on why Dr. Cain sealed the original body, maybe the "danger" Dr. Cain was worried about was the Virus? Can we talk about my Crackpot theory that Zero's "redesign" in X2 was actually Dr. Wi--uh Serges giving him his own armor upgrade like X gets? In this context; Black Zero would actually be his equivalent of X's Gold armor upgrade!
Well I'm sure that people know, I hope they know in the x1 episode apparently he actually never found his XBuster upgrade . Because the original x storyline wanted you to have zeros z buster. Because they give you an actual trophy for it for the Canon storyline and when you use zeros z buster deals more damage compared to Xs buster. Instead x Kai into finding the original buster and ends up using it better making it a hommming attack
I just had a thought... If Zero's X1 body was a copy of the one seen in the X4 flashback... Would that mean he had no buster at the time hence why he used the metal pipe, thus the busters were added once his original body was upgraded to be completed? Or did he have the X2 and X3 Busters and weren't properly replicated due to the complexities of Zero's body thus he got the Military Buster to replace them for the time being?
I like to think that he had the X1 Buster, it just wasn't shown in that flashback. We see the same flashback depicted again in X5 and Zero had the Buster. I think they didn't show it in X4 at all because gameplay-wise, Zero doesn't use a Buster in that game, so that could have been potentially confusing.
“Those who sacrificed themselves will never return” guiding one to believe that it is correct for that particular Zero, which was a copy body, perished in the first game. I’ve always preferred the original Zero design. It was a cleaner and simplistic look, fitting the time period of Light and Wily.
I like the X1 design of Zero more, i, actually never really liked most X series' character designs for how over-designed and busy they look, it's hard to memorize or tell what am i looking at really, i don't draw often with references, since i believe it is best to have something simpler to draw with speed, but still not be too plain of course, and i think this does it well enough, it gets stuck in the mind more easily.
Even tho i do prefer his newer design, (especially his new shoulder pads! they look so cool!) I do like the idea that Dr. Cain did his best to fix his body with the available tech at the time! It gives a mysterious, and lost technology kind of feel to it! Almost like a certain other LEGENDary series! 👀
I think it the x3 opening zero change back to his X1 design to symbolize that he not the zero that willy wanted he to be and zero shows of rebellion toward his creator he will not only fight against Mavericks, but against his own destiny as well
Gotta appreciate how the thumbnail was misleading in the sense that it wasn't meaning that Zero appearing as is in X1 is the onl true one and the rest are lame and instead it was referring to the copy bodies used in the first couple of games.
Fun fact: This was supposed to be megamanx's original design but changed it up and kept him blue. The look was supposed to embody change for the future for X.
The idea of X1 Zero using a copy body (presumably underpowered) made by Cain seems fascinating, but it does raise some questions when put in perspective with the actual story: 1) How the X-hunter stole Zero's original body? If Cain believed it to be dangerous, it should have been well protected and not easily accessible 2) Most importantly, if X1 body was a replica, why Cain didn't build a new body? He should have all the blueprints (even if not perfect) by the time, and should be able to easily built another one for Zero. This last one is probably what stops me from accepting Fukunishi's statement completely. Besides this, thank you for your work and the interesting video.
Honestly, I still curious about why Zero can’t use Z Buster in Megaman X4 and Megaman X5 basically the weakest version of the Z Buster. In MMX6, Z Buster basically at it golden age like the old time. For anyone curious, Zero’s Buster actually stronger than X Buster but it does seem like the Z Buster can’t spam the shot like the X Buster
That was due to gameplay balancing. In X4, they hyped Zero's fully playable campaign to be a melee take on the classic Mega Man gameplay mixed with hack and slash elements. They brought the buster back in X5 only for the sake of continuity.
i've honestly thought about making my own Zero in X1 hack. though maybe i could touch up the existing hack if the creator doesn't mind. i'll have to learn how to do spriting for snes hacks, but it shouldn't be too difficult.
I think Zero OG design resembles that weird transition of Robot masters to reploids. He IS the ultimate Robo master after all. After he got destroyed in X1, his resurrection by Wily, I mean Serges made him more in line with the current tech which were reploids. X2 Zero is way more powerful than x1.
Does that mean that the copy body used by Megaman Zero's Zero... Is that body Dr Cain made? Returning to his X1 shell (but updated) to beat his original self
Huh, never noticed the X1 design on the Zero Virus in X5. That's a really nice detail. I guess it makes sense since the virus existed before his rebuild in X2, so how would it know what the new version of his armor looked like? Edit: My attention span sucks and I guess I just breezed past the entire point of the video lol. I'm leaving my comment up anyway but I'm fully aware now that the planner said X1's body was a copy. Now I have to decide how I want my head canon to decipher that info.
i wish they would either complete the story or release everything, its very irritating when people ask questions about the lore, all we get is "nope" followed by a silent smirk.
