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XC Race Bike Vs Trail Hardtail | Which Is The Better Mountain Bike?

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A Stallion vs a Donkey. A Supercar against an SUV. Neil and Blake compare their favourite hardtails. Both bikes might have a solid rear end, but that's where the similarities end...
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Neil's on a top of the range Canyon Exceed CF SLX, an all out cross country racing machine. It's got steep head angles and short travel. It's light. It's fast. How does it compare?
Blake's riding the Nukeproof Scout, an aluminium do it all trail bike. With wider tyres, a dropper seatpost and aggressive geometry. It might be heavier, but there is very little that this can't do.
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@gmbn 6 лет назад

Which bike would you choose? Let us know!

@louimcgee6146 6 лет назад

Global Mountain Bike Network definitely nukeproof better for jumping around

@pawewielgus2105 6 лет назад

Nukeproof - one do it all!

@escxrt7442 6 лет назад

Nukeproof

@slimelord314 6 лет назад

Global Mountain Bike Network I guess I have more of a trail hardtail that I use to race

@thechaosengine3020 6 лет назад

If I could only have one bike - the Nukeproof. BUT! If I could have two ... Enduro and a cheaper XC bike. Something I can afford to maintain.

@sebastianglenn7904 6 лет назад

I ride my XC bike like a trail/enduro cause I can’t afford a different bike and it gets sketchy sometimes but that’s what makes it fun

@yesto9676 6 лет назад

Sebastian Glenn You can still ride some crazy shit even on xc hardtails

@sebastianglenn7904 6 лет назад

Yesto mine is a full suspension but I honestly wish it was a hard tail. Yeah I’ve seen some pretty crazy shit being ridden on an XC bike and it’s awesome watching people push the limits of their bike.

@yesto9676 6 лет назад

Sebastian Glenn really? I hear having rear suspension saves a significant amount of energy in XC

@peterlang5047 6 лет назад

I ride trials on my XC bike. I feel like it’s the best option for trials and trails.

@th_js 6 лет назад

Hey, put a wider bar, shorter stem and some Minions on the bike and boom you have a xc trail bike!

@TrailFeatures 6 лет назад

I am so freaking stoked hardtails are getting so much love lately! It always makes me sad when people apologize for only having a hardtail. 😔 Love the bike you've got and let's go ride!

@geemail369 6 лет назад

A-MEN!

@vaulthecreator 6 лет назад

Won't get me apologizing for having a hardtail. Nor will you get me back on a soft girly bike (aka full sus) ;)

@elmeri9237 6 лет назад

Hardtails become fun when u have tested full suspension. There is just something in hardtails... they are fun.

@thenewanonymous1194 5 лет назад

I always do these trails in the vid on a hardtail. Only done the first drop in the woods on a full sus

@gillescordier8033 5 лет назад

I love my Scott Scale 29"!! It will humble you to no end and make you respect every trail you ride on. It'all about riding skills for me.

@steve.b.23 6 лет назад

£1,699 is affordable? I'm in the wrong job!

@oskarstaudte 6 лет назад

it is, if ur comparing it to the other bike for 4,5k

@Meinungsmacher 6 лет назад

4,5k is affordable... compared to a ferrari

@danaminyip 6 лет назад

2nd hand baby

@qwertykevin1 6 лет назад

Complain more

@BaldMancTwat 5 лет назад

You could buy a motorbike for that money.

@knoxleppago7594 6 лет назад

Loving the camera chase style, feels like I'm riding with them

@wojak2466 2 года назад

Backwards???

@mww558 4 года назад

There’s some really interesting comments about this video. I largely take from this that both bikes are out of a lot of mtb enthusiast’s price bracket. I saved months to get myself a high end carbon race bike but it would be great to see GMBN review two bikes between £500-1000. We’ve all had these bikes and importantly it makes you appreciate what you have now!

@teenoltae 6 лет назад

Only 1500 so 'ok to lock up outside the pub' - spoken like a man who doesn't pay for bikes . .

@pavele.3562 6 лет назад

T Noltae well if you get a bike lock with an insurance payout you're likely to have less trouble claiming a 1600 bike than a bike worth over 4k. I don't even think there is a bike lock with an insurance payout to cover the xc bike.

@jeremycoleman7971 6 лет назад

And here I am taking the wheels and seat off my $400 bike to run in a store for 2 mins while it’s on my car carrier like a schmuck.

@tomodell3671 6 лет назад

Spoken from somebody who isn't living in poverty. I leave my £3000 alloy road bike outside where I work... It's insured.

@strokenumber3 6 лет назад

An indication of his, er, IQ perhaps: He seems to have problems stringing a sentence together.

@chrisburn7178 5 лет назад

Exactly - I have enormous respect for the GMBN crew but they do need to reality check every so often. That Nukeproof would be jackpot for a thief regardless of what you locked it with.

@MrAAxxiiss 6 лет назад

I like that you started including the price of the bikes in the videos, adds extra info on the comparison

@rt-ik7ik 6 лет назад

Blake: the full saying actually goes like this: "A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one". Which is very fitting for your nukeproof vs Neil's Canyon.

@neildonoghueMTB 6 лет назад

r00t 1010 I did not know that!

@MrPeter1337 5 лет назад

it actually doesn't english.stackexchange.com/questions/408782/is-jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none-really-just-a-part-of-a-longer-proverb

@ironicstompin4880 6 лет назад

Might be the greatest GMBN edit/comparison. The camera leading the riders on the trail was a great visual.

@gmbn 6 лет назад

Thanks IronicStompin!

@Deuteross 6 лет назад

Filming and editing in this video is top notch. Great riding too, of course, lads.

@BandGeekRecords 6 лет назад

I want that Nukeproof! That bike is sick.

@efdbjon2114 6 лет назад

you can get one for 500 quid or so less that has tektro brakes and shimano deore shifting everything else is the same realy nice bike for the money its a nukeproof scout aswell just a cheaper modek

@danielrodriguez4697 6 лет назад

This is the kind of video we hardtail fans want!

@jonashvidberg6759 6 лет назад

That intro b-roll! Soooooo good!

@KeeTeh3 6 лет назад

I like this GCN style rear view recording

@mekoskyjames581 4 года назад

im new to mountain bikes and just scored me a 2013 specialized epic comp 29er love the front and rear suspension on it been looking at doing alot of xc this summer on it

@doctajuice 6 лет назад

You can visibly tell the difference in body position and where each one helps or hurts depending on the position of the rider. Super cool to see these side by side

@lucyallsop5626 4 года назад

I race on a Carbon hardtail, they are rapidddd, I've taken mine to BPW for training and its insane going down red runs!

@sushruthravishankar105 6 лет назад

Thanks for doing my video suggestion. I suggested it in the last video and u guys smashed it and brought it to the fans. Thanks GMBN .

@brendad9464 5 лет назад

I ride a Trek Roscoe 8 27.5+ hardtail. It's much like the Nukeproof in this video and I love the ride and cornering ability. XC bikes are awesome on flats and straightaways, but I'm all trail rider all the way.

@olliebroughton5319 5 лет назад

Once again, Blake: the voice of reason and wisdom on the channel

@jonienglish3231 5 лет назад

Towards the End of the video Should have SWITCHED RIDERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and compared the Rides

@ThunderStruckMTB 6 лет назад

Alright, who's bike was creaking?

@simonjones3914 6 лет назад

ThunderStruckCoach it was so loud - it would really do my head in!

@richc2980 6 лет назад

Neil's was definitely the creaky one on the climb

@puka6043 6 лет назад

This sound is called press fit

@neildonoghueMTB 6 лет назад

Sorry! Just fixed it, my BB was very dry

@David-rb3tk 6 лет назад

That's wwhat she said!!

@Stander26 6 лет назад

I've installed a 150 mm reverb on my xc carbon racing bike. I feel much more in control on downhill parts now, without being afraid of getting thrown over the bars by the saddle.

@gmbn 6 лет назад

We approve of that upgrade!

@chrisanderson8578 6 лет назад

I've been wanting to move over to a full susser this year but the more I see Blake tearing it up I feel like I want another hard tail!

@DavidElizondo_G 6 лет назад

I gotta say, I have a full enduro bike, and a hardtail (or workhorse). And something I've notice is that even though the enduro bike is the spoiled bike (the one I've spent the most money on) it's the hardtail the one I ride the most, and the most versatile. I use it for commuting to work, XC, and even enduro (when the other bike is at the workshop), and I just love it!. Yes, you'll go slower than a full enduro bike, or a XC bike, but that won't erase the smile on your face. Actually, I'm most likely to change my enduro bike in a near future than my hardtail.

@timmcmanus3889 5 лет назад

I’m miss these types challenge series. Ive learned so much from these type of videos.

@richarde1355 5 лет назад

Anybody else love watching these guys ride? And I also love their conversation. Super appreciate the videos GMBN posts...

@alexnicolaou3579 6 лет назад

Excellent comparison video guys, thanx for answering my question I had since day one. Wether there are XC specific hardtails and trail/enduro specific hardtails. Always thought their design philosophy was the same. Turns out i was wrong :)

@taydilarel27 4 года назад

This is an honest video. Good job!

@PHAM_mtb 6 лет назад

I never understand how those XC guys don't get thrown off by the saddle. Speaking for myself, the dropper post surely is the best invention EVER.

@peytoncox8146 5 лет назад

I agree, even on my XC racing, I run a 100mm dropper

@psychonaut038 4 года назад

Practice mate. I do downhill stuff with sadle up. It never blocks my abbility's

@bahakeskinsoy6027 6 лет назад

Love the music at the beginning xD

@thedude8267 6 лет назад

Yoo!! That jersey that Blake has is MONEY!

@jamestanton9004 5 лет назад

The nukeproof it looks so nice

@ThunderStruckMTB 6 лет назад

.... "or a-loom-in-um" lol!

@Lght-wv9hq 6 лет назад

Did Blake use clips? Great video!

@YavorM-Yash 6 лет назад

About to write the same. He did!

@thereformers7040 5 лет назад

do you know Blake shoes?

@dovgoldberg 6 лет назад

I have been riding the canyon exceed for over a year now. Added a 150 mm reverb dropper and 2.3 ikons and it is a great xc/trail racer.

@jgmtb7688 6 лет назад

so many variables when trying to decide what bike to get. One of each would be nice but if that's not an option the lads at GMBN will test them all and let you make up your own mind. Loving the channels lads, Keep it up 👍

@Amundsenkalmah 6 лет назад

Blake was on fire with the jersey and sending jumps on clipless! Nice!!

@charliedeacon8489 6 лет назад

I’m not sure why, but you guys look strange not wearing knee pads on this haha! Great vid though 👏🏻🤘🏼

@MarcusNesbitt4 4 года назад

Ive actually been and ridden here, thought i recognised it!! Charterhouse is beautiful

@ronaldtartaglia4459 6 лет назад

This channel is so good, the content and the action shots are on a whole other level.

@gmbn 6 лет назад

Thanks Ronald Tartaglia! We work hard!

@ronaldtartaglia4459 6 лет назад

Global Mountain Bike Network it shows, totally pro channel.

@mymy0935 6 лет назад

I’m on a lower end xc bike right now. I mostly ride rough trails. This video got me really excited to get a proper trail bike soon.

@gmbn 6 лет назад

Awesome! Let us know what you get 👍

@mymy0935 6 лет назад

Global Mountain Bike Network Well, because I live in the US (so sadly no Nukeproof or Vitus bikes) my best option seems to be a Diamondback. Most likely a Mason 2 when it’s back in stock. :)

@Vishus_ 6 лет назад

Sick video as always.. Love the edit

@notproplayer3649 5 лет назад

XC bikes are usually more affordable, I've got a 1000 € xc bike myself (scott aspect 920) and it handles really well on the trail inspite of the 100 mm of travel, that's because of the plus size tires that absorb a lot of shock and make the bike more forgiving, I know that for any future bike I'll own, I'll probably make it a priority to change the tires to something bigger if it doesn't have big ones already, changing tires is probably the best "cheap" upgrade you can give to your bike that makes a big difference to the kind of riding you have, so in my opinion the trail hardtail if priced at around 1600 isn't the most compeling option, a good entry level XC should be bought at around 700 and could totally ride trails (with no big drops), if fitted with right tires. Testing out a 1700 € good quality enduro full suspension that was lended to me by a friend, I'm pretty sure that for more extreme trails, the full sus is the way to go instead of the similarely priced trail hardtail, but of course, some riders will prefer the hardtail for it's easier maintenance, less weight and perhaps different handling so your choice I guess, both seem fine to me

@---GOD--- 5 лет назад

I just realized the cameraman is likely also on a bike riding these trails with you guys LOL no one ever thinks about the cameraman

@3AM.Paranormal 4 года назад

Which bike would I pick? Both! But with the same wheel size, and dropper on both. The alu frame for general riding and training, the carbon for racing. However the costs of both bikes in this vid made me cringe. I never spent more the $1400 USD on a mtb. And raced over 40 races in sport class (Norba, CORPS, local series events), & 4 endurance races. Maybe if I was expert/elite, and made 2x of what I made now, of course these 2 would be an option. Love the vid, none the less! Keep up the good work guys!

@pneuamtics1 Год назад

Thanks for helping

@Gumson99 6 лет назад

Neil I think your super light bike is CREAKING AS HELL :D :D

@dennys.1050 6 лет назад

Hardtails are so much fun! I builed up a Dartmoor Primal last week and its nuts!

@randyhou8522 5 лет назад

Would love to see you guys do a comparison on frame material in an all-mountain aggressive hardtail, carbon vs alu vs. steel.

@RicQuintanilla 6 лет назад

rad video! love the different editing style! and all that Hardtail LOVE!!!

@thadlogan51 4 года назад

Great video. The trail bike looked significantly more effortless coming downhill...way more fun. I have a Diamondback Syncr 2019... Which is almost same as the Scout trail bike in this video. I also just bought a xc racing bike for my son. Im still debating with myself if I made right choice in getting the trail bike. The trail bike is way more comfortable to ride. It feels way more solid and smooth downhill too... especially the front shocks at 140 mm travel. But a compatible sx bike is about 4 pounds lighter...and has 29 wheels. I am a team leader on my son's high school cross country team...and I typically beat 90 percent of the team riders. But the lighter xc bikes with big wheels can sometimes leave me in dust on the flat and uphill climbs no matter how good of shape I'm in...and again I'm faster than most riders...it just takes more work on bigger, heavier bike. But I plan to go on bigger mountain downhill rides when race season ends and I have no doubt it will kick any xc ass downhill.

@JL_bryan 6 лет назад

i will definetly go for blakes nukeproof scout! but @3.33 of the vid im pretty sure blake rolled over some horse poop :D

@migatron1 6 лет назад

bryan :D You need to get out and ride more brah!

@sambookbinder4201 6 лет назад

Super cool follow shots!

@gmbn 6 лет назад

Cheers Sam Bookbinder!

@maxMax-ns9pg 6 лет назад

Premium... Premim Neil- Blake, had me dead 👌🏻

@stug45 6 лет назад

26 inch ragley blue pig mk1. Still feels epic and able to ride it just as quickly as those on big bikes :-)

@kevinacla8291 6 лет назад

i love the comparison. thankyou GMBN

@williamvowles5692 4 года назад

The chainstay is scary short on the scout

@glennbmendoza 5 лет назад

Perhaps only the experts or the one who's riding bikes for years could see the difference between an XC or Trail bike. For newbies like me, as long as it has air fork (or sometimes even coil spring fork), I'll pedal it like hell regardless of terrain as logn as not water nor snow.. haha.

@reidedens7812 6 лет назад

Love the content boys

@gmbn 6 лет назад

Thanks Reid!

@maschypee8243 6 лет назад

Rowberrow Warren, Beacon Batch, Burrington Coombe...my home turf...looks like you guys loved it as much as I do...👍

@joelbillington8536 6 лет назад

maschy pee is that actually where that is? That looks sick!!

@maschypee8243 6 лет назад

Joel Billington Yeah it is, here's the location on MTBtrails: www.mtbtrails.info/Trail_Venue_Map_TrailViewer.aspx?VenueNumber=111&TrailNumber=173&Unique=636655106985534439 They didn't ride the best part though, the superfast rocky downhill with mini waterfall at the Burrington end of the trail...

@Robert-nz2qw 4 года назад

My son does MTB and he outgrew his old bike. Buying the new one I asked him several times: are you sure this bike’s enough? The reason was that compared to his peers bikes it was a lot cheaper (66%). He kept answering me: what they got is a brand on the frame, a frame in carbon. But I have the same or better components and a lighter bike at that (entry level carbons aren’t always the lightest). Must I say I’m a super proud dad?

@virgilferrer 4 года назад

What is he riding?

@Robert-nz2qw 4 года назад

@@virgilferrer Crescent R50 2019 (SRAM, they've changed to Shimano in 2020)

@ollydickinson2196 5 лет назад

5:22 think you forgot to bleep something out for the kiddies 😂😂

@Yachii 4 года назад

This is late but im pretty sure he said "but everyone likes a good challenge"

@pavele.3562 6 лет назад

Wow, love the new jersey color scheme! Definitely going to get one, I'm a sucker for retro colours. As for the bike, I would go for the nukeproof since I already have an XC 29er, but the all carbon xc bike is quite alluring. Keep up the great content, you guys are singularly responsible for getting me back into mountain biking.

@gmbn 6 лет назад

Glad you're liking the new designs! Send us a pick when you get one!

@geeogeoo1259 6 лет назад

Blake is on clips!!

@boserbube7922 5 лет назад

Very simple: When it´s a CC-race, i will go for the CC-bike. For the fact that my last CC-Race was in 1998 and i never did a marathon, i will always choose the "work-horse" because it will take me everywhere, with proper comfort and speed, creating the fun i need.

@ardarazi8472 6 лет назад

Niel vs Blake challanges are soo friggin good.

@pez_cemetery5576 5 лет назад

Mmm Rowberrow. My favourite trail in the Mendips too. Nice editing in the only drop on it no less than 5 times :-D

@joshmelvin8843 6 лет назад

Blake riding clips. Something I never thought would happen

@mayjoycedulnuan3879 3 года назад

as always, you have an awesome trails

@RichieD088 6 лет назад

Another great, GREAT vid you guys !!

@traumiweber6600 5 лет назад

I like the looks of the Canyon, nice color as well

@johnybrokeit 6 лет назад

This video was sickkkkk, guys! And I love how Blake is.. well, he’s Blake 🤟🏽😈 cheeky bugga.. I love the man! That wheelie riding through that bushy section was the best for me.. all in slow motion too. I can’t feel bad for jake, I’m sure he has an enduro of his own too, anyways :) Cheers, guys! Sexy post!

@callumyoung7785 6 лет назад

Noticed how gmbns most loved sponsors all begin with a C: Canyon, Crankbrothers, Continental.

@geemail369 6 лет назад

... concussion ...

@crankbait6264 5 лет назад

Awwwwww Blake was showing off !! Awesome

@bandgeek1517 4 года назад

What size frame is the Scout?

@shaunreed2884 3 года назад

Cool video great music guys

@kiaorakid7545 6 лет назад

Blake your bike is so Dope! great vid Gmbn

@bryanraypio6564 4 года назад

love the word " you can abuse this thing" hahahahahaha

@uraydo 6 лет назад

These guys are nuts. In what world is $2000 is "affordable"?

@markbarker665 4 года назад

Had two racing hard tails Trek Elite 9.8 and Superfly 29ner. Both great bikes. Now injured & older and not taking part in races or events. Wanted bike that's little more relaxed and could take bit more pushment on the trails. But still felt nible like racing HD. So went for a Giant Fathom 1. Looked at Whyte and Nukeproofe. Between two bikes on show here go for Nukeproof. If had bigger budget Sant Cruz Chameleon 27.5 Carbon.

@willburden1597 6 лет назад

Is that Blake Samson using clipless pedals??

@darksylver8471 6 лет назад

Nedrub He is !! Gor the first time of our lives we can see Blake using clipless pedals

@migatron1 6 лет назад

Dark Sylver Not the first brah

@hildegardvonlohengramm2629 5 лет назад

Bru*

@swpa8742 5 лет назад

It’s probably not easy to keep up with Blake Sampson on a trail full of jumps and doubles no matter what bike your riding!

@martial8574 5 лет назад

I can do it, just need to remove his wheels before the start 🤣🤣

@diluteduk 6 лет назад

How are 2.2 tyres now considered the skinny option!

@cg7025 5 лет назад

Great video guys, this really helps, I'm about to buy a new bike and trying to decide between two Whyte models, the 629 and the 905, both a lot of money for me to spend and I want to make the right choice, I'm guessing the 629 having a steeper head angle than the 905 would be a bit like comparing these two bikes in the video in terms of ride purpose... I do like the 629 and at the moment I'm basically riding xc and distance type riding as opposed to downhill all mountain type riding, I will never have the ability to grab air and thrust down everest but it would be nice to have a bike that could cope with it if the same bike would be comfortable for my fitness and xc type riding. I'm still undecided and unsure which way I will go with the choice between the 629 and the 905, but this video kind of puts the two types of bike into perspective. Any suggestions to other bikes similar to the Whytes would be appreciated as I'm a bit of a newbie to this. Cheers.

@gap1967uk 6 лет назад

Cool video. I would go for the nukeproof

@baylenguy2602 6 лет назад

Definitely the Nukeproof 100%

@JohnMartin-jx1wz 5 лет назад

We used to do this with bog standard Raleigh bikes from Kay's catalogue. Three speed, no suspension and thin wheels. No need for all that flash gear.

@stinkyfungus 5 лет назад

Mine was an 1985 diamondback ridgerunner II... Little more tech than your raleigh... but pretty basic. Used to ride down stuff that most folks wouldn't even try to walk down. This whole can't do x or y on bike w or z is total bullshit marketing hype. Back in the early 2000s I would ride the same trails on my so called "trail" bike as I could on my race bike. (Just not as quickly uphill) But chose not to NOT because my race bike couldn't handle it... It was just why wear out top shelf components and expensive lightweight tires When a cheaper spec, somewhat heavier bike could be a perfectly suitible fun training tool? Basically, any "trail" I can't ride on a good xc bike is not something I care to ride. And I can ride an xc bike (with a climber's saddle height) on damn near anything short of a no shit downhill course.

@JohnMartin-jx1wz 5 лет назад

@@stinkyfungus My first mountain bike was a diamond back. Really nice bikes for the money. Somebody stole it and I needed up with a really nice Carrera. I moved on to a really good trex that could climb and climb.

@daysofnoah 2 года назад

Great video! I love my hardtail.

@cristianfmendez 4 года назад

I have a full squish XC race bike that’s full carbon but a bit older and it’s the only one I have so I give it hell and hope she makes it though 😂 I love the bike though. It handles jumps super well but man do I hate super rooty sections or rock gardens with only 100mm of travel

@WimvanHoren 6 лет назад

The Canyon seems somewhat on the tall side for the rider, also on what tyre pressure is it, 5 bar? Obviously the nukeproof with the dropperpost (which IMHO is cheating ;) ) will probably take more of a beating, but I'll go for a XCO bike all the time (luckily i have a Focus Raven and a Kona HeiHei Race).

@matteocristini6221 4 года назад

It looks like it used to be scott's bike, and scott was taller than neil

@massimoaugu 4 года назад

What is the best on technical climbing? Thanks

@ronaldtartaglia4459 6 лет назад

“Premium Neil” love that, is going to have to stick,as usuall B.A.T.U...😀

@kyriakos___55555 6 лет назад

Do you have any video coming about the training for the EWS ?

@jerrydaulman4530 6 лет назад

Thanks for the $ and lbs

@craigdavies1747 4 года назад

For £4000 you should be bloody expecting a lot more! I'm more than happy with my new £950 cube hardtail and my Cannondale for years before that.

@markopolo9559 6 лет назад

Great video aa per, would have been good if you swapped bikes for a direct comparison(Blake was hinting to Neil at the end of the vlog!).

@hankschrader2353 3 года назад

Would have been helpful if you could compare the actual geometry or the influence of the wheels. Now it's just "it depends"

@carlangashell666 4 года назад

you can do even more with a XC race bike. i ride my giant XTC advanced in vancouver north shore without any inconvenience in black trails with drop offs and really rough sections