XC Vs Enduro | What's Faster Up Then Down?

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Cross Country bikes are faster than Enduro bikes up a hill, well they should be as they are lighter and have less suspension travel, but by how much? Does an XC bike have enough of a lead to beat an Enduro bike back to the bottom of the hill?
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@gmbn Год назад

Are you team XC bike or team Enduro bike? Let us know 👇

@marekadamek1428 Год назад

XC but I like enduro as well😊

@DimeTheDestroyer Год назад

Due to budget constraints i only have an XC bike .. for now No need to decide which one is better N+1 will always solve this question Ahhah😅😂

@HJ-bz4vn Год назад

xc now geeze...

@jpandriesse3954 Год назад

Team trail/AM ;)

@CarlosRodriguez-bo4sx Год назад

I ride both -plus I have a trail bike. Definitely can see the benefits for either use.

@skokartong Год назад

257 km of elevation in 5.1 km of distance, quite a steep climb you got there :)

@football_freak_la23 Год назад

257 km? 😂

@laurynasjagelo5075 Год назад

@@football_freak_la23 written at the start.

@badagaioo Год назад

😅

@Ferrari255GTO Год назад

@@football_freak_la23 it was suposed to be meters and not kilometers, they absolutely obliterated the metrics XD

@khchoi2012 Год назад

I noticed that as well. Probably the Garmin rubbish! :-p

@callumharding8029 Год назад

I'd be so interested to see a third contender on a 140mm trail bike and how if the median option might have faired better or worse

@markgeorge2200 Год назад

This is a very good point, that would def be interesting

@szabolcspap7766 Год назад

A 13kg 140/130 trail bike would be definitely a winner.

@hambo76 Год назад

Wait until the new Canyon Neuron launches and try that!

@janpesek4862 Год назад

@@szabolcspap7766 I think XC would be winner since downhill capability of these two bikes would be near identical and XC would still have advantage in climbing due to lower weight, more efficiency and better geometry for climbing.

@kevankerdcycling86 Год назад

The course favored the XC bike, therefore, I think it would still have won.

@Guenther-Eichinger Год назад

Now think about how fast Neil would have been uphill with the XC-Bike Would be interesting if they change bikes and repeat the race. Thanks for this amazing video!

@paulskibum Год назад

Totally - I was thinking the same - if bikes were reversed I feel Neil would have had a greater gap than in the challenge - the combined weights would have put Blake 12kg heavier than Neil for a start! If my maths is right

@jacobuserasmus Год назад

I also want to see XC racer vs Enduro racer.Having the stamina to climb fast is something you need to practice. So I would love to see a top XC racer take an enduro bike up the hilll and the other way around to see what the difference in their fitness and skill levels are. Good job Blake I'm always impressed with your power and endurance.

@WaechterDerNacht Год назад

That would be really interesting! E.g. Katy Winton vs. Evie Richards once on their race bikes and once on their opposites disciplines bike.

@ivostarmans1199 Год назад

@@WaechterDerNacht like Jolanda Neff with a 120mm bike. Very fast uphill but also she flys downhill.

@mutleyadamsracing2684 Год назад

XC WC racers have the big advantage of fitness and bike handling. Pro Enduro riders are fit too but not at the level of the xc racers. The climbs are where it's won almost all the time.

@jacobuserasmus Год назад

@@mutleyadamsracing2684 yes my experience is also that XCO is definitely won on the climbs. Racing XCO myself I was surprised when I entered a Enduro race how strong the Enduro riders are on the climbs. The difference is just that they would spend some time recovering at the top where I would simply drop into my run without needed to recover.

@kevankerdcycling86 Год назад

I love how Blake calls the 120mm FS a boneshaker! 😅Meanwhile im riding down rocky trails as fast as I can on my 100mm hardtail without a dropper... 120mm FS would feel like riding a cloud for me! Great point made by Neil regarding being too tired to ride as fast as possible on the downhills. Alot of enduro riders do a climb, stop at the beginning of the trail for a few mins and then ride down. Meanwhile us XC riders ride up the climb at a fast pace and drop into the trail right away. I really enjoyed the video, excellent and realistic content! Keep it coming!

@alanmartinezrodriguez884 Год назад

Hey GMBN, this is pure quality! Beautiful shots! Neil and Blake were on 🔥 for this one!

@gmbn Год назад

Thanks a ton! This was such a fun video to make! 🙌

@CarlosRodriguez-bo4sx Год назад

Right!?

@simonrook5743 Год назад

Enjoyed that, called the result right. But I think a decent 130/140mm trail bike would take the win, about 12.5kg so possibly only 15s slower up but not far off the enduro for most that decent.

@tonymcdow7206 Год назад

What a great video guys! Loved it! I got tired just watching you guys! Proves that there is no perfect bike, just different tools for different goals. Thank you!

@aaronthewhiz3160 Год назад

Yes! This is classic GMBN I love it

@CarlosRodriguez-bo4sx Год назад

Wow guys. This is probably the most exciting and interesting video I've watched this year. Watching both of you descending was freaking great. Thanks for putting this out.

@palioman 11 месяцев назад

Blake and Neil left it all out there, what an effort! Being an XC rider myself I had my fists clinched for Blake the whole time! They both did so well!❤

@gmbmedia28 Год назад

Man that Orbea Oiz is one beautiful bike 😍

@427060 Год назад

I had always assumed you guys were in your late 20s/early 30s! Exercise and fun go a long way.

@stevengoodwin3154 Год назад

The 120mm travel bikes are really hard to beat on a loop type route. This isn't a surprise if you've been paying attention to the last few years worth of bike reviews and category comparisons. This is also why a rock a Specialized Epic Evo. ✌

@SprSonik13 Год назад

the advantage in a timed loop with equal parts climbing and descending (unless the descent is brutal) is always with the lighter bike all else being equal. The gap is based on speed over time, and climbing stages simply take more time. I’ve done this challenge personally on many of my favorite trail loops and the bigger bike was never faster overall.

@SprSonik13 Год назад

and the more you show it, the more I love this bike park!

@destchaos9732 Год назад

This. You’re absolutely right.

@nickh3533 Год назад

Than my trail MTB i should have added* (which is 6kg heavier)

@anonmoose9727 Год назад

The really interesting bit was that Blake didn't attempt the big jump on a 120mm bike (even though he's Blake), but Neil jumped it no problem. But Blake didn't lose that much downhill overall. This was super interesting.

@neildonoghueMTB Год назад

It was super windy, so Blake didn't want to take his chances on the light bike

@anonmoose9727 Год назад

@@neildonoghueMTB ah, OK. I was wondering why. I wouldn't do a jump like that on ANY bike! (ex-roadie turned XC). Loving your channel, Neil! 😀

@Bear0280 Год назад

Hey Neil and Blake it was great to see you both put both the XC and the Enduro to the test. Going hard as always Boys Love your work thanks for the Vlog ✌🏼Out Jay

@martinschwartz7342 Год назад

I wouldn't wish it on you to do it again but I would have liked to have seen a follow-up of Blake on the enduro and Neil on the xc bike. That would have shown how much of the outcome of this contest was due to the bikes and how much was due to the riders.

@tmthytw Год назад

I imagine if you were to put beefier tyres on the 120mm Oiz, it would probably one of the best allround mtbs there is today for anyone, whos not regularly in a bikepark but keeps to "nature trails" and such.

@The2808erik Год назад

Probably a short travel trail bike with big tires would split the difference quite well.

@overseer_grimal Год назад

I think it has too xc racey geometry for that and as a result an aggressive riding position. Besides that it has long stem, short wheel base, short dropper post. There are trail oriented short-travel bikes like spur/smuggler, tallboy or izzo which seem to be a better all-rounder

@paulboehm404 Год назад

Would like to see you switch bikes and see if it was Blake's strength or the lighter bike that put him a minute ahead after the climb. Great video as always, guys.

@dopeyzombie Год назад

I used to have a Giant XC bike as well until it was stolen then moved on to a SB150. I can certainly relate the difference in climbing on an enduro bike brings new challenge. Great video.

@joeyc8546 Год назад

Good on Blake and the Orbea! Nice to see how fast my bike can go 😊 havent pushed it as much as that though, or dare to.

@suesheane3671 Год назад

Great video Blake and Neil. Love the competitive but fun race. 🤟👍

@gmbn Год назад

Thanks for watching! We're stoked that you enjoyed!

@Pseudo-Z Год назад

Funny how the view numbers on these awesome videos double as the season is starting. Keep it up guys.

@pinoyteam6417 Год назад

I love watching y'alls challenges. Great run.

@ubergaard Год назад

Both are just unbelievably good riders 👏🏻👊🏻😃

@mohamedbactiarmohamedali4399 Год назад

Agree,sometimes is the rider not the bike.😎

@hectorlmges Год назад

thanks for the video, some months ago I chose a YT Izzo. Best of both worlds? I don’t know but pretty happy with the choice

@raianv.maretto7561 Год назад

I'll always go for the Enduro bike for sure. I don't mind climbing slower, just wanna have a lot of fun when downhill 🙂

@Velo1010 Год назад

I’ve noticed the big riding glasses have come back into style. Takes me back to the late 80’s

@natea526 Год назад

Production just keeps getting better every video! Love it

@gmbn Год назад

Appreciate it! We have such a great team behind the camera!

@1975normal Год назад

Definitely you guys gave it your best. Thank you

@timdatoolman83 Год назад

Loved it guys, great entertaining vid!!

@gmbn Год назад

Legend! Thanks so much!

@MrGrayFox0 Год назад

Neil!- I love nothing more then changing and/or installing tuebeless tyres!

@DanielMatheny Год назад

fun to watch and I tend to do this both depending on the day between 120mm platform and a 160mm platform.

@stephendutton3766 Год назад

Have had a superlight xc bike, then an enduro bike I definitely agree that I'd go with the enduro. The fun from the extra effort is well worth it and over rougher stuff they just soak it all up. Well being shaken apart as I get older.

@jalapenohotcakes Год назад

This was a good video. I appreciate it he honest competition. The fact that you really showed the real results without trying to make it look all razor thin and dramatic. One critique. They should come back a week later and Niel go on his xc bike and Blake do the endouro. Please do another video where they switch bikes!

@augustoespinal57 Год назад

Great video guys 🔥🔥

@tomcagle5324 Год назад

Enduro me everytime...travel is king... especially with shock/fork travel switches. I could care less about KOM climbing. Just enough to take some pain out when going up.

@andrec.136 Год назад

I can attest to that outcome. I had a hard tail cross country bike up until 2019, sold it and got a full suspension trail bike in 2020. Since then I was unable to beat any of 2019 times on Strava where hills were involved.

@mohamedbactiarmohamedali4399 Год назад

Doddy should join in riding a trail bike.😊

@the_spanner_ch7mp Год назад

The one hell of a race and agree that you wouldn't have been able to do both those runs in one day Neil. The Don made alot of time up on the downhill still got it Neil. Awesome stuff #GMBN 🤘

@gmbn Год назад

Yeah, it was one hell of a ride for both of them! We're stoked you enjoyed! 👊

@meghshyamdesai9906 Год назад

What a video!!! Pure content

@arikpeterson6260 Год назад

Well done guys!

@millerk20 Год назад

The problem with your test is that Blake isn't your typical XC rider and could bomb downhill on any bike.

@skinny8019 Год назад

This is a great point.

@markgeorge2200 Год назад

I guess tho that would theoretically make him worse on the climbs, so it might even it out but that's still a good point.

@daveland3599 Год назад

That looked exhausting. Good work guys

@thenormalberries6767 5 месяцев назад

I missed an actual good upload from you guys.

@Muhametgiden Год назад

Truly OG's !!! Big respect 🤜🤛👏

@DottorNish Год назад

Congrats on such great content as always! Just an observation: I would recommend to wear goggles always above the helmet straps so they are free to jump out in case of a crash not cutting our useful eyeballs 😊😊

@johnnykramolis7469 Год назад

Great video! Now you should do it again, just swap your bikes. ;)

@michaelbatey348 Год назад

I watched this and Ive come to the conclusion that a 140mm trail bike would be the ideal machine. 😊

@komoonkh Год назад

For most people, definitely yes😊

@simonrook5743 Год назад

Me too, which is what I have!

@michaelbatey348 Год назад

@@simonrook5743 I've got scout 290 running 27.5x2.8 tyres with 140 fork. More than enough of a bike.

@vashusan1984 Год назад

Ha ha, I got 140 rear and 160 up front with plenty of antisquat. About 14.3 kg, it's a blast to ride anywhere.

@jasonpatrickdeleon4701 Год назад

if you are not a hardcore rider 140 si enough

@tomassanesson902 Год назад

Awesome epik cool video 👍🤘🤘🤘

@jawico Год назад

Great video, I was surprised at how much quicker the enduro bike was on the downhill.

@ninongshortride Год назад

This was epic and I was honestly at the edge of my seat. Can you guys reveal how many camera men you had along the way?

@Seppster58 Год назад

Blake : "Why do we do this?" Well, you do it for us. And that is why we love you so much. Great comparison guys. Love the content!!

@anitalandkroon Год назад

Super video 😃 i was there one’s 😎 it was really beautiful and for every level ❤

@federaldelii Год назад

Wowww nice thrilling episode 💯🤘🏻

@portela.araujo Год назад

@gmbn should make a shirt saying "I can taste blood" !! 😂

@dwook1234 Год назад

Nice production quality

@Montblanc1986 Год назад

I bought an Enduro with SRAM flight attendant and I can tell you that thing feels like an SE bike when I put XE tires on it. It really is amazing. I can’t tell the difference from a specialized epic to my Enduro.

@allenjanes5976 Год назад

I race a 2019 stumpy, cross country in the Pacific Northwest and north Idaho. Lots of bikes go around me on the climbs. Although I retake some on the down hill, I never get them all

@jasemaxable Год назад

Great vid

@gmbn Год назад

Thanks! 🤘

@RobertFullStop Год назад

That was a much closer race than I thought it would be

@AFugax Год назад

So fun to see…of course I would pick the enduro as it’s good enough up and way more fun down. But of course having one of each is really the way to go!!! N+1

@jamesweldon8118 Год назад

Why do I feel like I’ve seen this before?

@FreemanBR Год назад

The Alain Prost and Senna reference hit me hard 😍😭

@qazwsxedc4132 Год назад

Great video. ..I propose a rematch... this time in the reverse... Neil on a xc and Blake on the enduro

@larrymoore2571 Год назад

I was thinking that Blake would be 2nd on the uphill even with the xc bike.. he proved me wrong.

@jasonlupke993 Год назад

I love them both! It just depends if I’m going out training or shredding

@grandpashreddypants Год назад

Very informative. Too tough the same day.. maybe a week apart in a perfect world I'd like to see the reverse.

@craig8638 Год назад

The end result is you are both beast. I’ve been thinking about trading in my Slash for something lighter. This may have pushed me over the edge.

@ericjohnflorida3419 Год назад

what if the race starts with a downhill and ends with uphill? will there be a difference?

@Pienimusta Год назад

Blake is a powerhouse!

@skiahh Год назад

Rematch! I'd love to see how the Rallon does going up vs the XC bike!

@gmbn Год назад

Yeah, that would be cool! Blake's Orbea Rallon has a coil shock, so it would be interesting to see if that makes any difference on the climb.

@pinsxthree Год назад

Fun factor and misery factor should be included! LOL

@kaltonian Год назад

there both good capable bikes but it is worth deciding what type of riding you prefer in order to decide which machine is right for you as there is a difference which is something that i would of ignored apart from the obvious downhill type mtb's, good race guys 👍

@caperider1160 Год назад

That was sick! I enjoyed every bit of the video. Now gentlemen, pls swap the bikes and go for a second run!!!

@philippeambrosi-santamaria2988 Год назад

Best choice would have been the medium bike: 29' wheels with 140 mm travel. "trail bike?" Very nice video. Thanks

@stevencole7331 Год назад

My last mountain bike xc race and I was doing well on the climbs but got clobbered on the downs . I was surprised how many minutes I fell to people I clobbered on the climbs . The bikes today allows for so much more speed on the downs that the days of winning on the climb is not a guarantee anymore

@kjracz15 Год назад

Remember those days when Blake "hated" being clipped in? 😆

@nolanrtdbikes9515 Год назад

Hey guys, i've the Nukeproof Mega factory 29' and he's awesome, 170mm front 150 mm rear 🤟

@antondegruchy6899 Год назад

Try the Enduro bike on something like a Cape Epic stage 98Km, 2500m elevation and see how you struggle, yet the terrain is far more difficult and technical then shown here.

@Robin_Hood381 11 месяцев назад

Would love to see you guys enter an enduro race with the xc bike lol

@stefanocspt6732 Год назад

Try Orbea Rallon instead of Nukeproof : it has more antisquat , more efficient on climbing , although more pedal kickback

@mikeburgh3956 Месяц назад

Man I would LOVE to have the yellow ☢️ I ride a red ☢️ scout 275 which is going to be a mullet very soon!!

@1975agc Год назад

My XC bike weights almost as Neil's enduro bike haha!!!

@Tr3zn3r Год назад

I’m still working on my climbing ability and would die on this hill if I couldn’t take breaks! 😂 see me walking my sh*t up at least 25 percent of it. I love Orbea Bikes but the Nukeproof Giga is awesome.

@petekirwin2420 Год назад

Got to be done the opposing way round. Only true way to show results, not the same day though 😬😂

@elvijskurpnieks Год назад

I think better option for XC bike would be Scott Spark RC with 120mm susp. super fast in uphill and fast in DH 😁

@markgeorge2200 Год назад

The orbea oiz actually has 120mm both front and rear, and the geometry is pretty similar so it would be about the same.

@mr.d7429 Год назад

It’s hard to beat the Scott Spark!

@pernyberg2816 Год назад

Would have been interesting if they had the same tyres. Casing stiffness does a lot to rolling resistance. I bet that is a bigger factor on the climbs than the SYSTEM weight - that actually was in favor FOR the enduro bike?!

@danielcameron1870 Год назад

I go out on my orbea Occam 140mm trail bike with my friend on a mondraker superfoxy 170mm enduro. Mine climbs better and rolls better on smooth his makes up ground downhill on harder stuff but feel like mines the perfect middle ground.

@jonboy1066 Год назад

Holy Shitballs!!!! That climb is brutal enough in a pickup truck! I wouldn’t ever want to pedal it! 😂

@Bcskier44 Год назад

Love the ending “I can taste blood” “why do we do this?!”

@patjocueto8751 Год назад

It would be Awesome if the two of you Join the ABSA cape epic 😊

@mountaincruiser817 Год назад

Only when you switched bikes the second day and did it again it would come a little bit closer to something of a result. Fun to watch nonetheless.

@derrickquintal Год назад

I honestly would never have guessed that The Don was 41 years young! Just goes to show that moss don't grow on a rolling stone!

@55uniwega Год назад

At the start if Blake wouldnt fail :)) the difference would have been much bigger :) Loved them two as always :) lol My choice is xc bmc rocket :)

@mrbigolnuts3041 Год назад

Ok guys, same race, but Nuke Proof Scout vs Trek Supercaliber please!!

@bonzaiii3 Год назад

That Orbea is a beautiful bike

@paponatrilha3385 Год назад

O peso rotacional na subida, castiga bem e faz toda diferença em relação a tempo. É uma comparação estranha, pois cada uma tem objetivos distintos. Mas pra for Fan, ok. Parabéns 👊👊👊