Xeno Reacts to Viper Gameplay | FFXIV Dawntrail New Melee DPS Job

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Xeno reacts to the new melee DPS job added to Final Fantasy 14 in the Dawntrail Expansion. This is Xeno's first time seeing Yoshi-P playing Viper. Xeno tries to analyse the Viper rotation and compare it to other jobs in FFXIV.
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@Talcor 4 месяца назад

Viper looks like a very busy job and thats exactly what i wanted, i love jobs with a lot of ogcds.

@mrdarkstar3756 4 месяца назад

Why I like DRG

@mr.gamingz 4 месяца назад

Dont think he is very busy

@Zoibek 4 месяца назад

Busy? This looks Summoner tier

@dividedbyzero4 4 месяца назад

@@Zoibekdid you miss all the weaving? Also without the button consolidation that 2 combo button is actually 8 buttons (and you dont do 1 1 1 1 or 2 2 2 2). It's more like sam/gnb/reaper combined. A lot of the ogcd is basically continuation that is attached to a gcd.

@HawkinaBox 4 месяца назад

Reminds me of Hashashin from BDO

@Armydillo62o 4 месяца назад

I need to get this one in my hands. I couldn’t really grasp what it is Viper does from this preview, but the animations look dope and there’s enough weaving that it should be fun.

@BloodlustParadox 4 месяца назад

Everything is about weaving

@1337penguinman 4 месяца назад

Same. I'm usually a GNB main and this seems like it plays like a DPS version of that.

@ArchieGamez 4 месяца назад

@@1337penguinman Yeah and i think the ulti plays like RPR enshroud just 1 ogcd and fast af

@Gwynbleidd_117 4 месяца назад

What it does? It does damage via melee lol. I mean most* jobs within a role are pretty similar it’s just the flavor of their animations that’s sets the apart. Obviously they have some differences here and there but when you’ve played this game for a decade you can recognize the mechanic skeleton of any job role you’re familiar with and figure out a new one fairly quickly.

@1337penguinman 4 месяца назад

Since it's pretty obvious GNB was originally envisioned as a DPS, I wonder if this wasn't the original idea for it.

@Deminese2 4 месяца назад

Its still baffling to me that GNB is a tank. Nothing about that job says I am a tank.

@LeoDMaso 4 месяца назад

Get over it

@Max-ep5ir 4 месяца назад

My favorite part was when Yoshi P said "It's Vipin time" and then Vipered all over the dummy.

@Deminese2 4 месяца назад

Did you miss the part where he unhinged his jaw and ate baldicante like an egg?

@BranBal 4 месяца назад

I'll make a macro of it lol

@IKIGAIofficial 4 месяца назад

Looks like the fastest animated job!

@Excubiare 4 месяца назад

My nicpick is them calling it "Dual Blade" and "Double-bladed". Why not say Dual Blade and Twin-blades? They even confused themselves when they were trying to describe it, lol.

@naoko3749 4 месяца назад

Probably Japanese transliteration

@ZycheCiorre 4 месяца назад

@@naoko3749 Probably correct, there are a few old JRPG's that I can remember which have the same concept. Dual blades = 2 swords and double blades = double edged sword with handle in the middle.

@zugetzuzu 4 месяца назад

Dual Wield mode and Twin-blade mode would've probably been even clearer (IMO when I hear "Dual blade" I think of twin-blades)

@xxJing 4 месяца назад

@@naoko3749The Japanese translates into Combined Sword Abilities Dual Wield Abilities (two katana style if you want to be supe literal)

@corvoyami3192 4 месяца назад

Because they are not English speakers

@BorkieOmnominous 4 месяца назад

chat spamming REAPER 2 made me laugh

@fixo5132 4 месяца назад

for once they are right...

@Zanbatoss 4 месяца назад

Reaper 3

@jackjohnson8305 4 месяца назад

As a Reaper main i think they're right, it really is just a faster paced Reaper.

@holo_val 4 месяца назад

@@Zanbatoss 3 Reaper 5 Me

@mrdarkstar3756 4 месяца назад

It's fine by me RPR is fun. A simple, cool design

@keorei 4 месяца назад

9:12 just a casual triple weave. no big deal

@alisonbun 4 месяца назад

quad weave actually, he used 2 charges of the thing bound to -. guess it has no cast time/animation?

@dalferu 4 месяца назад

Or even "four weave". Did you notice that ability with 2 stacks had 0 after that button mashing? XD

@Glenningway 4 месяца назад

I'm getting some Gambit from MvC vibes with that dual blade pose. We even fling swords (or something) with our ranged attacks... I'm down for this.

@magguthemachine4895 4 месяца назад

EXCELLENT NEW JOB MY LIEGE

@Kenzaii 4 месяца назад

cringe

@magguthemachine4895 4 месяца назад

@@Kenzaii Jesus Christ its Jason Bourne

@Willfully_Ignorant 4 месяца назад

The auto-replace actions are the only way to go forward without major ability bloat. It worked out beautifully for summoner.

@paganflute3989 4 месяца назад

the more i see about viper, the more i like it ^^

@mr.gamingz 4 месяца назад

Its always with new flashy jobs

@MikeStone561 4 месяца назад

Im a Reaper main but this job might be my next go to.

@MiniDallas000 4 месяца назад

Seems like they go hand in hand, Deathmetal fanboy vs Sea Shanty freak

@BjornEinarr 4 месяца назад

I wish they did something similar for other classes that feel like they just sit down waiting for cds an eternity, while having a class fantasy that doesn't match that aspect.

@crimsonshadow1477 4 месяца назад

This job looks cool as fuuuuuuck, I'll definitely give it a try, but my melee dps main entirely depends on how good the dragoon rebuild is, probably won't be a "brain off" class initially though

@hakabaka2048 4 месяца назад

The EN translation is a bit confusing, but this is what is in the JP text: 剣 = sword, the type of blade that is 2 sided (katana is 1 sided) 刀 = katana, 1 sided blade Viper holds dual sword and dual katana

@BloodFortAndromeda 4 месяца назад

she should have been like "You have a dual-blade mode.. and a darth maul mode."

@blackspirit86245 4 месяца назад

So it looks like it’s GCD shifts depending on your burst window? It’s slower than MNK/NIN and then in its burst it’ll match NIN at least and your weaving in like GNB continuation with oGCD. Unless there is a limiter this is going to be another ping dependent job. If you have high latency you may suffer DPS in the burst window. It’ll be interesting to try but it won’t replace NIN as my main.

@ilike2nap 4 месяца назад

I play with some battle effects off so I imagine it’ll be hard to find the viper when their zoomin around

@ravensoulless 4 месяца назад

Soo we can be Darth Maul now ? Neat.

@cosmicneko7225 4 месяца назад

I wonder if the weapon in maul mode is a temp buff or if it’ll stay like that until you split them apart again

@cheevue7253 4 месяца назад

viper is the class i always wanted. except i didnt know it was called viper. i only knew it as gabranth. a judge magister from ff12.

@ghozter1 4 месяца назад

It's just Reaper 2.0, but instead of going Demon Mode you go Darth Maul lol. Looks cool but I feel like they could've a bit more different than the gameplay loop of reaper, at least when you go into that form.

@UseAbuseReuse 4 месяца назад

1:55 EXCELLENT FOREHEAD FLASH BANG MY LIEGE pepeKneel

@jesserebelo3583 4 месяца назад

It's not like deaths design, the buffs are put on the viper, not on the enemy, the viper has 3 buffs they put on themselves and 1 they put on the enemy that's an "enfeeblement"

@BM03 4 месяца назад

"So what if Reaper, but we also give it Continuation and a low GCD phase?"

@xCaLLMeGHeTTo 4 месяца назад

I'm really glad they're actively trying to cut down on the amount of buttons each class has. Doing the hand dance is a pain for me lmao.

@laststep56 4 месяца назад

Bro I feel this. I injured my wrists so the massive amount of buttons in needed to press before was really painfully on my wrist.

@deefour28 4 месяца назад

Been using xivcombo for so long I’m glad they’re adding it in game, even for just consolidating 1,2,3 combos and things like dancer buffs turning into the nuke abilities afterwards saves SO much space and helps me with how slow my fingers are

@monsters181 4 месяца назад

@@deefour28what's xivcombo

@xviii5780 4 месяца назад

@@deefour28 I honestly forgot that separate buttons for combos were a thing xdd

@pochen23 4 месяца назад

I absolutely hate the battle stance... I feel like it looks so casual and flat footed. The job looks really fun tho. I don't think there is too few buttons, if you add in LB, feint, anti-knockback, bloodbath, second wind, true north, etc, there is almost a full bar.

@kumasu321 4 месяца назад

I would love for them to add battle stance options so you can customize the way your character looks while battling

@Angels-Grace 4 месяца назад

When i see the blue phase i think of Starburst Stream from SAO! Its reason enough for me to main Viper in DT 🥰

@jesserebelo3583 4 месяца назад

Double sword characters existed before sao

@xxJing 4 месяца назад

@@jesserebelo3583No they didn't, stop lying.

@SilverNightbane 4 месяца назад

Me and a few friends already have Kirito glams on the ready

@HawkinaBox 4 месяца назад

Viper reminds me of Hashashin from BDO

@celphalonred1999 4 месяца назад

So can't wait for viper, aaaaaahggggg

@narussaki 4 месяца назад

Gives me cabal blader vibes

@65Reidlos 4 месяца назад

I wish HOODs showed some hair, bald = bad, no offense

@supremekai9602 4 месяца назад

So one button press combos like pvp? Finally

@andohbernard8846 4 месяца назад

Did Yoshi really said that you gotta stare at buffs to play monk? I guess, but once you know Monk you don't look at buffs at all

@XDEFXD 4 месяца назад

Ping going to kill me if viper is like machinist with all those ogcd.

@thomasnguyen4427 4 месяца назад

I can't wait to witness Red DPS midwits stand still and let mobs die around them while their unread tooltips languish in purgatory. Then when you say, "Hey Picto/Viper, where's your [Big Shiny Transform] SFX+VFX?" "Huh? chill, it's only dungeon" looooooool

@aphilli97 4 месяца назад

Viper main been saying that since the first reveal. Idc for picto not my style but im ready to slash everything to pieces while im speed blitzing enemies on release

@OldManInternet 4 месяца назад

This looks decent, but to me the ninja changes are more interesting

@Boreas4 4 месяца назад

So they basically said "lets simplify pve like we did pvp and make the combo's one button."?

@vandso677 4 месяца назад

Vibin' with Viber

@c_huvaknunh9138 4 месяца назад

It looks cool, but feels like a RPR reskin to me. Biggest disappointment for me was not deleting positionals.

@yukiboops7889 4 месяца назад

Looks kinda like a Monk/BRD hybrid to me, will be curious to see how it actually plays.

@GeorgeUnruh-f5l 4 месяца назад

The real question: is Viper going to be more popular than Reaper?

@Mr_megido 4 месяца назад

Honestly I think reaper at first due to being easier to play and understand however after all the job guides and stuff come out then who knows

@jmpbus5086 4 месяца назад

Only concern i have with cutting buttons is the gcd length. Just hope we get faster gcd/more reactive (less step by step) combat (specially for tanks)

@itsyaboymarcelluswallace 4 месяца назад

Hi xeems

@senpapi4511 4 месяца назад

More like Aura Bust

@Gwynbleidd_117 4 месяца назад

For the love of god please stop showing off job actions on a friggin Lala. There’s a reason bro had to zoom ALLL the way to see the weapon he was directing attention to. 🤦‍♂️

@MrSquigeon 4 месяца назад

Lol 100+ ping😂 I played MCH at 200 and could double weave 😂

@sold0ut210 4 месяца назад

If you double weave at 200 ping you delay your weaponskill massively or you installed noclippy/Alexander and literally just forgot bro. It is literally impossible otherwise.

@dustinhatfield8373 4 месяца назад

So my understanding is monk was changed because this job got the endwalker monk gimmick. This shit looks like shinobi war era naruto hoppin all over the place

@user-uv4wn2xx7o 4 месяца назад

Looks like they just copied and paste one of the early dungeons as a map to free roam.

@JaceRS3 4 месяца назад

100% not playing this besides levelling it to 100, wayyy to fast for me

@ayauetoazumi6824 4 месяца назад

Butcher mnk give it to viper haha 8.00 remove buffs from viper give it to next physical ranged

@kingbehavior 4 месяца назад

WHAT IS THAT BOTTOM RIGHT

@alexkazuma219 4 месяца назад

I mean it‘s allright 🤷🏽‍♂️ nothing really wild 😢

@aphilli97 4 месяца назад

Your definitely wild cus it looks way better than any other melee dps out rn

@penguinvader7057 4 месяца назад

@@aphilli97 it looks cool animation wise. gameplay wise it's just whack a mole 1-2-3 with every button having continuation or double continuation + you get an enshroud, kinda boring

@MarcusMaybenot 4 месяца назад

@@penguinvader7057 Have y'all ever even played another MMO before? I dunno what other MMO's you think are so complex by comparison, you can dumb down and describe any MMO class/ job like that.

@Mr_megido 4 месяца назад

@@MarcusMaybenot actually let me even just ask out of curiosity what other MMORPG doesn’t have that 1-2-3 with a few OGCDs in between blueprint in them

@penguinvader7057 4 месяца назад

@@MarcusMaybenot Viper is extremely dumbed-down even by ff14 endwalker standards. You should check out a job summary for how the viper rotation works based on what we know. The only part you need to pay attention to is refreshing the damage debuff. Here is the entirety of what you do as a Viper: - 123 combo that you need to alternate (the one you have to press lights up on the job gauge ofc, wouldn't want people to accidentally mess up buttons), continuation at the end - 40sec cd combo with 2 step continuation, gives gem - enshroud, press 5 buttons with continuation between each - use a gem for ranged attack with continuation If you love pressing a lot of buttons real fast with little thought, this job might be cool, for me pictomancer looks infinitely more interesting. This is just gunbreaker but without having to do tank things. Disappointing that they add 2 melee DPS to the game in back-to-back expansions with so little to make them stand out in terms of gameplay.

@amfrog8277 4 месяца назад

idk, this seems boring. It's more or less the same of what we already have. They could have had a cool stance dancing class for debuffs/utility to damage cash outs so you'd have to go in and out for your rotations manually, but this is just I do damage until I go into a mode, then I do more damage until I go into another mode where I do more damage. It's flashy but leaves a lot to be desired gameplay wise.

@Volfur2251 4 месяца назад

i mean the whole design of ff14 is to deal damage.. Every class in the game is based on dealing damage. To change that they would have to remake the entire game

@LTXayl 4 месяца назад

@@Volfur2251it's more like, all DPS jobs have the same burst flow where you go from phase A to B to C, each one being stronger than before, think 1x to 1.2x to 1.5x and then repeat rotation. Rather than something like 1x to 0.8x to 2x where there's a small break phase of build up into huuuge burst. Its a nuance that FFXIV has moved away. For better or worse.

@amfrog8277 4 месяца назад

@@Volfur2251 You're missing the the point. I don't have a problem with classes doing damage. I have a problem with the identity and skill expression of a player to the class being lost by making things always go ABC. There's very little need to deviate and very little room for player expression or for skillful players to be skillful. Viper seems like a by the numbers FFXIV class where Ninja, black mage, dancer, monk (currently) and maybe Astro (in DT). Classes used to have a better identity for skill expression where viper is just ping expression.

@Jambara 4 месяца назад

Man even the devs don't sound excited to show off this lame ass job, It has no identity other than "swings blade", Corsair would have been a 10,000% better option.

@jesserebelo3583 4 месяца назад

Ah yes because generic pirate is definitely more flavorful than hunter who has two weapon styles who can go super saiyan

@Jambara 4 месяца назад

@@jesserebelo3583 it literally is and that's just if it was generic, corsair clearly isn't as it would use elemental based hexgun in offhand.

@HowlingDoom 4 месяца назад

@@Jambara There was a whole lot of joking about and overall good spirits. They were just tired it seems.

@Mr_megido 4 месяца назад

@@HowlingDoom that’s true the stream was a what 6-8 hours I wouldn’t be surprised if you got tired halfway

@Tyrbris 4 месяца назад

I've seen some retarded takes today, but this one is choice. Well done.

@marcelficoul3618 4 месяца назад

this game is so boring ... it's just a ninja with new animation ... Ok i'm a little bit "superficial" but honestly, look gw2, all job are very different, it's not just clic and avoid aoe ...in swtor, it's the same. Raid is not just a plateform with a boss and aoe, it's very more than that ..

@ragnarok400 4 месяца назад

Different strokes for different folks. But even if you say it's boring it's still a fact that ff14 has a bigger player base then gw2.

@muovikallo 4 месяца назад

Chatting

@HowlingDoom 4 месяца назад

I can't speak on the other games raid design much but they really share little with 14 especially in terms of fight design. Destiny 2 raids had a lot of more platforming and mechanical execution involved but I wouldn't expect that from 14.

@jeremywright9511 4 месяца назад

That is mainly because gw2 has a lot of build variety so there are many combat scenarios that can feel different as a result. FF14 is rigid so what you see is what you get. Evident in how samey and limited AoE attacks are and how they simply can't design healing or tanking to not be braindead and homogenized. 8.0 apparently will see jobs get another look at their gameplay identity.

@jesserebelo3583 4 месяца назад

GW2 raiding is all gimmicks, the first raid boss they ever introduced had players carrying rocks up a hill to throw at the boss because he was a literal invincible god that could only be hit by rocks for some reason

@cellrien 4 месяца назад

8.0 they need to do a network code rework

@ragnarok400 4 месяца назад

The buffs are dmg up, haste, and the debuff is increased dmg taken. The finisher of the 3 part combo also gives a buff that will dictate what the next 3 part combo finisher your suppose to press. The second part of the combo has to alternate for haste and dmg up. So it would look something like this 1-2-1(3), 1-1-2(3), 1-2-2(3), 1-1-1(3). (3) is the ogcd you do at the end of the combo.

@hammsuke3981 4 месяца назад

lmao they implement xivcombo

@Denka_ 4 месяца назад

if that hotbar has all of the skills on it that will be the first job that has half the hotbar empty. Even summoner has more lol

@beckham3533 4 месяца назад

isn't it because of the new button consolidation that reduces button bloating

@Denka_ 4 месяца назад

@@beckham3533 No? Because Pictomancer has double the hot bar of Viper? lol

@beckham3533 4 месяца назад

@@Denka_ It just means Pictomancer has less moves than transform into different skills unlike viper

@Paraguai123 4 месяца назад

The music tho. Hm hm hm. Soken is a master.

@mrdarkstar3756 4 месяца назад

Viper mains let's go oooo.

@666stryder666 4 месяца назад

I can't help but feel like if piercing/blunt/slash would have still been a thing that this could've been the first class that could shift between slashing and piercing. Looks sweet, but probably not gonna play the class. Looks too complicated for my peanut size brain.

@Leon.262 4 месяца назад

that deaths design kinda killed part of my hypoe for viper. just make it a personal buff, i thought these type of debuff skills got removed cause they were inconvenient to use, why bring them back for reaper and viper when you want to dumb the game down as much as possible?

@crowevil4658 4 месяца назад

Lala is the worst race to demo a new job with.

@doctorjonson6181 4 месяца назад

Lala is the worst race (...)

@Brandon-ld5eg 4 месяца назад

Like everything shown we gotta try it out before we truly now what it’s like

@James-kv3ll 4 месяца назад

To Many Particles

@richardwicker8456 4 месяца назад

Viper gameplay makes me wish we had lightsabers in this game

@efiniGTX 4 месяца назад

I’m sure you could use PoTD weapons

@richardwicker8456 4 месяца назад

@@efiniGTX that's true, they'll have to do for now

@cosmicneko7225 4 месяца назад

We may get some in solution 9

@CRXII 4 месяца назад

My new main fasho

@CRXII 4 месяца назад

@@xL0stKIlahactually play mix of drk and ninja and a lil bit of reaper mostly

@ccBAZZ 4 месяца назад

Monk with swords pepeW

@Gryphon13 4 месяца назад

I was hoping Viper would have some snake like effects on a few attacks but oh well I guess. Job looks really cool to me tho

@no-stresscat1519 4 месяца назад

That's kind of cool I hope they revamp all the classes to have actions change as you mash combo buttons.

@mute8375 4 месяца назад

Will be fun to probably not get to play this job properly cuz of ping

@MayuFuji 4 месяца назад

This is the job you want to play if you want a WoW GCD feeling :p

@mr.gamingz 4 месяца назад

Way 2 much animations, they should chill down

@travisproo87 4 месяца назад

Giving the interpreter a run for her money

@nox1154 4 месяца назад

Yoshi-P: we removed some attacks because it was too much button to press Viper:

@Shikori_Tsuru 4 месяца назад

WENZ FULL VOD pepeW

@Vanhhline 4 месяца назад

did they just open a parser?

@Tsuness219 4 месяца назад

Was hoping for a job with fewer buttons and lots of procs. Can't wait to try this out.

@Cocytus127 4 месяца назад

I hope my NIN glams work on VPR since they share scouting gear.

@sony7949 4 месяца назад

They will, other than job artifact gear.

@sacredsage5390 4 месяца назад

So Drg had to share gear with RPR now, and now NIN has to shre with VIP. they are trying to even it out.. now... if we could just get some MORE RANGED PHYSCIAL DPS, that would be nice.

@HowlingDoom 4 месяца назад

Phys Ranged is 8.0 bro. Likely with a new tank.

@Gofr5 4 месяца назад

@@HowlingDoomThat would also be my guess for 8.0.

@gloss975 4 месяца назад

reaper reskin Pog

@mr.gamingz 4 месяца назад

Its really like reaper 2 :D

@hephep5787 4 месяца назад

Isn't the Trance the only thing it has that is like reaper lmao?

@pogmaster6009 4 месяца назад

@hephep5787 People will see an Install on a class and say: "Ah yes, this is a carbon copy of that other class which also coincidentally had an Install move" like stfu you freaks

@mrlion8834 4 месяца назад

I'm just trying to figure out how much gear that was formally only for Ninjas is now applicable for Viper.

@iHaveOneArm 4 месяца назад

everything with the scouting tag

@krisma3526 4 месяца назад

They both use scouting so literally everything besides artifact gear and relic weapons of course

@bonsaibnuuy 4 месяца назад

scouting left side and aiming right side

@userbunny14 4 месяца назад

the way they set up the hotbars on this job with the AOE on the right and single target on the left in that square block is exactly how I set up my bars. my bars are 3x4 because of mmo mouse and mine are flipped with 123 at the top rather then the bottom, but yeah. It made me happy to see them set up like this because it really helped me visualize how I can set up my own bars. The one labelled - here is the gap closer, and the one labelled 7 is the 2 minute party buff, which I usually have on a third bar to the very very right. I can picture it perfectly on my own bars watching this and I love that.