Xenoblade Retcons 

Also also I just realized something. The Telethia flying into the Fog King and destroying it was probably meant to foreshadow the main issue of 3, with the worlds colliding and canceling each other out. That Telethia probably sacrificed itself by colliding with the Fog King in such a way that they both just... blipped out of existence. ...Why do the Telethias keep getting sadder

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Around 14:50, that's not depicting the actual universes colliding, just individual particles meeting. It's established by the Chapter 7 infodump and the challenge mode portals that the colors corresponding to each universe are red and blue, whereas going off of Keves and Agnus's color schemes, yellow and blue at least represent the ether particles from each universe, if not all their matter. That scene also contains those transparent hexagons that universally represent shields or barriers in the series, here representing Origin's attempts to keep the particles separated. The immediate cut to an annihilation event hollowing out Uraya implies these specific particles meeting caused that annihilation, but it may also just be alluding to annihilation events in general being caused by these collisions.

While I understand that some may have wanted Xenoblade 1 to stand alone as its own game, I generally feel that Monolith Soft did retcons right. They did it in a way that benefitted the franchise and, to me, made XC1 even more interesting retroactively. Anyway, on to watching the video since I only really know of two retcons, lol.

32:45 I think the implication behind Origin metal is that it was originally ordinary metal from Bionis/Mechonis/Alrest (possibly steel, if Riku's explanation of the creation of Lucky 7 is accurate), and only has the power it does inside Aionios. In the base game Nia states Lucky 7 has the strength it does because it is "external to the flow", and A and Riku reveal in Future Redeemed that it is connected to the souls within Origin. Basically, Origin metal is linked to the souls of everyone stored in Origin, and is able to cut through the false world their fear of the unknown created. As something that exists outside of Moebius's world, they have no control over it.

33:50 in Xenoblade 2 the stuff that made the world tree is said be very durable and able to stand the harsh effects of time and remain in pristine condition unlike the stuff that Elysium was built on

Honestly always interpreted the different Birth of a Universe cutscenes outside of being a retcon being how Zanza viewed it in his mind vs. how the Architect viewed it in his mind. One very egotistical and one very mournful and reflected. And with Alvis only appearing in 1's world after a set amount of time, it's possible they didn't have the full picture anyways

Alvis didn't show the full context to Shulk of the previous world because time was of the essence due to Bionis collapsing and because even Alvis doesn't have a full picture of the events.

The origin concept totally needs MUCH more explanation. I'm ok with the vagueness of it just for the sake of letting peoples imagination run wild, but if Monolithsoft can build any future plot out of it, I am all for it.

43:10 My understanding of this is that A/lvis didn’t foresee Aionios. A says ‘all I see is what the flow encompasses’. Since Aionios isn’t part of the flow of time, A/lvis couldn’t foresee it.

Technically Torna does retcon some minor visuals. Clearly they didn't have all the models ready, so just using the wastelands of Temperantia as a place holder was easier than deciding on what they wanted locations like Aletta to look like. Most importantly of all those minor changes was changing Addam's eyes from blue to gold because the color of his eyes have an impact on the plot. It's almost surprising how few retcons there are with how much the base game talks about the Aegis War. It just manages to leave enough room for new interpretations, such as Mythra having little involvement up until the very end of it.

25:30 His world is only the two titans and an endless ocean. Shulk would have never seen or heard of a planet before this.

I think that the two worlds recombining would release the same Conduit energy that initially split them (conservation of energy), and that would explain why Origin would work: its recycling the leftover reality warping power from the Conduit.

About the radio and the potential links with Xenogears and Xenosaga, that was already the case in Xenoblade 2. The artbook of Xenoblade 2 states that KOS-MOS Re was designed by Shion and Allen. These must come from the same universe as the Dimitri Yuriev mentionned by the radio.

Shulk isn't stupid for not recognizing Earth as a planet, he's just ignorant. If we were a space fairing species we'd probably have the same exact reactions to uncharted planets.

I think it’s kinda neat when you look back on xenoblade 1 with the idea that ontos is a part of the trinity processor as essentially an arbiter of power, you start to notice that alvis is present in quite a few “trinities” like you can consider him, zanza and meyneth a trinity, the disciple trinity and also at the end of the game with him shulk and zanza sort of being one too. Maybe I was the only one ever confused by this but I never got the logic behind the providence of the universe limiting zanzas power here at the end of all things but viewing it as Alvis using his position as an arbiter to err on the side of shulk and his friends’ desires to be rid of zanza really helped me in finally solidly understanding or having an interpretation on how his power works

32:20 Matter and antimatter colliding would probably supply enough energy for Origin to boot up after the worlds merged.

Thank you papa Lux, for coming back with the milk Oh there he goes

26:10 I feel like you're being a liiiiiittle harsh on Shulk here. Like, Homs technology is amazingly advanced for such a struggling species (see: floating transports, healing rifles). That one NPC in Colony 9 who says that the ocean around the titans is infinite and flat mentions, I believe, that math says it should curve after a certain point, like a planet, but it doesn't. You said it yourself, Xenoblade 1 takes place in a pocket dimension. It's not that Shulk doesn't recognize a planet - he straight up doesn't know what they are because they simply don't exist in his world. Can you imagine trying to explain everything we know about the sun to someone who has lived underground all their lives? Heck, the sun and stars over Bionis and Mechonis aren't actual sun and stars! They're balls of ether in the sky that brighten or dim or fall depending on the conditions. Their universe just works differently from Earth's. That's not Shulk's fault.

Idk if this was ever mentioned but I'd say the term "Hom" from Xenoblade one is also retconned because everyone in xenoblade 3 is referred to as human just like Xenoblade 2 (minus blades from 2)

31:33 I don't remember where in 3 I heard it, but I remember hearing something about Origin getting the energy needed to recreate the universes from the light generate by annihilation events. It make sense, considering a matter-antimatter collision would convert 100% of its mass into energy (mostly in the form of light), which Origin could just convert back into the original objects as either all matter or all antimatter. I'd imagine something about its total control over Aionios is what allows it to collect that light without literal solar panels.

I don't think Origin metal is intrinsically special, I think it has the power it does because of the same diamond-cutting-diamond thing you mentioned earlier. As the components of Origin, it's the base building block that the world of Aionios was generated from, and holds unique powers within the confines of that zone. Take it out or put it on Bionis and Alrest and it's just generic metal that Shulk and Tora agreed was strong enough to be worth building a world-saving Ark out of.

I will say that my perspective is the Radio has the _potential_ to be a retcon, but _isn't_ one *_yet._* _If_ Monolithsoft remakes Xenosaga and makes it canon in Xenoblade, then they would become retcons. If instead they decide to "retell" the story of Xenosaga as a distinct game (say "Xenoblade Saga"), then they would _not_ be retcons since it would be a distinct work from the original.

Man, its great to have another Luxin Xeno video. Although the future of the franchise is kind of unknown right now, It's great to digest all 3 games across a span of 11/13 years. The scenes and music makes me so nostalgic and I'm reminded the love I have for the games. Thank you, Luxin!

ngl im calling bs on the galea one. in the cutscene shulk literally says "thats meyneth" and she has the same face and voice actor. its very obviously meant to be who meyneth was. perhaps they were leaving that open for potential open sequel reasons but im not sure

The mentions of things like the pocket dimensions always being the plan/intent reminds me of something from the Monado Files. In the short story that helps explain how Fiora got her body back, a portion of it mentions how Shulk wants to build Monado replicas for everyone in the colonies for protection while they go fight the final threats. The Monado REX in Future Connected is definitely partly intended to be a good nod to Shulk's intent to make monado replicas himself, albeit in collaboration with Machina.

About Origin. Pretty much thinking that it is pretty much a man-made Zohar/Conduit. When creating Origin, it didn't have any major power beyond the Ontos/Pneuma Core powering its halves, the technology/information inside of the cores allowing the people in each world (once getting informed about the upcoming situation) to create and back-up the souls of people inside of core crystals. The Zohar is a gateway to the Imaginary Number Domain, the place of the Dead Collective Unconscious. So Origin being a massive collection of Souls in one spot pretty much is dragging the Imaginary Number Domain into the Primary Number Domain, pretty much being a Zohar/Conduit in its own right. Heck, Z and Moebius (and the whole conflict in XBC3/Future Redeemed) is pretty Humanity's "Living Collective Unconscious" (IE the collective consciousness of all the souls living on Earth's 2 divided halves) inside of Origin creating Aionios as a realm to express themselves in. So pretty much Origin is a Zohar/Conduit-Emulator via brute force rather than being hooked into the actual Zohar/Conduit. As for Origin Metal, it was stated that Origin Metal "Exists outside the flow" of Aionios. Which, due to Aionios being a sort of conceptual space either in the Imaginary Number Domain, or between it and the Real Number Domain, would make sense as Origin Metal was made outside of Origin. So Origin metal could just be an alloy obtainable in either world that would be, while strong and levitatable, not particularly special. But inside of the conceptual space of Aionios, has power not only due to being a material outside of Origin (as in not created from it), but also due to being part of Origin with that Collective Unconsciousness inside of it.

It’s always a good day when you get to listen to Luxin talk about xenoblade for 45mins! Monolith soft really has been playing 5d chess for years now.

I've been saying that Alvis before XB2 was a retcon and was probably a HAl 9000 type computer before being retconned into a part of the Trinity Processor (which is a bit different than an administrative computer like HAL 9000, as Ontos only does stuff with the Conduit and the other two cores, and people presumably control stuff on Rhadamanthus). Im not an Alvis Ontos denier, its just that he was a bit different from what he is now.

9:23 I think this is really interesting, because in one of the xenoblade 2 artbooks it shows concept art for some of the blade weapons and it almost looks like the blade's were intended to have two different forms/attacks, almost making it like switching between two weapons. This can kinda be seen with the shield hammer being a shield and a hammer more literally originally. Also the concept of whip swords, being able to change between whip and sword. It even looks like the Aegis blade may have been a n energy canon as well. So I think its interesting that this idea was intended for 1, used in X, and then maybe intended for 2 as well before being scrapped

I keep going back and forth on how I feel about the radio scene. On one hand it was fun and kind of heart warming to watch all the long time xeno fans absolutely pop off online. On the other, was literally not paying attention to anything Na’el was saying because I was trying to hear the radio, and plot wise that’s what actually mattered.

Meineth being Galea was somewhat clear in the main game. It was implied but I think the avg mind would conclude that after the ending scene.

Always good to have a new Luxin video!

The dates in the titles of many of songs from Xenoblade X are from 2012 and 2013 when the game released in 2015, meaning any of the potential lore in songs such as In The Forest might be retconned in the future due to later changes in the story between the songs being made and the game releasing

Meyneth not being Galea is strange..

Milton was kind of a retcon in Torna. It was a little weird Mythra never mentioning him in the main game. Maybe it was too painful for her.

I just finished Future Redeemed and I enjoyed all your videos on it Luxin. Rly appreciate all of your analysis and I CANNOT WAIT for the next Monolithsoft/Xeno project. This is probably my fav gaming franchise of all time by far atm

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Although its minor, what about the visual retcons in 1DE? Alvis's key being changed being the most prominent. Those were a change to 1.

I really appreciate the definition and explanation you gave about the term "retcon" at the start, as a non native speaker it was something that I could not understand until you explained it that way.

I do wonder if Origin Metal is what the low orbital station was built out of. If it were built of a wonder metal potentially derived from secrets they gleamed from the Conduit, which is how Rhadamanthus was able to stay standing for like several millennia and remain untarnished, that could also explain the miraculous properties Origin Metal seems to have in Xenoblade 3. I'm just spitballing though. lol

I have a theory that origin metal is actually just the same material the mechonis was made of. Origin and N’s sword of the end are both black in color, which is very similar to the color of the mechonis. The metal the mechonis was made of could only be cut through using a monado or a weapon made of machina technology, likely of the same material. Assuming flame clocks are made using origin metal, that explains why only monados and origin metal weapons can damage them. This would also make sense for origin metal being able to contain people’s souls/memories, because the mechonis was a sort of vessel for Meyneth’s soul.

Oh yeah a full length feature film from Luxin.

Yeah I guess when you're talking about the shonen stuff not being planned yet, imo something that wasnt originally planned for a story being added in during the writing process doesnt count as a retcon. Imo for an ongoing series a retcon would only be something that directly contradicts something that has already been established previously.

25:32 ofc Shulk thought it was a ball of water. They have no concepts of planets because they live in a pocket dimension on a neverending flat plane. Shulk isnt dumb for not understanding a concept from a completely other dimension with no basis in his own.

one thing you mention is Ontos going dormant which isn't what happens what happens is Alvis goes off like the end of Xenoblade 1 says but his personality eventually goes dormant without his connection to Klaus reverting back into his machine like state being Alpha, then Alpha sends his core to Shulk(like how Alpha gives his core to Na'el in FR) so he and the others can create Origin to set up his plan to create Aionios so that the new Life for his new world can be born so technically this isn't changing what happened to Alvis at the end of 1, but is adding on to it

SPOILER BELOW! DONT LOOK IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO WATCH THE VIDEO!! Question/Idea for Luxin about something mentioned in the video had a thought about the "merging" and the power source behind origin. what if it was the annihilation itself that powered the processes of origin? like it was literally stated in 3 that 1 and 2 were once whole, seperated, and now OPPOSITE and yearning for each other. i think if they merged it would be like matter and antimatter and that could power Origin. matter and antimatter release 100% of their energy, compared to nuclear which is only like 1-2% usable. so a big enough source of energy to power everything.

25:57 I’m of the opinion that the flashback we saw at the start of Chapter 10 was shown in its entirety to Rex before the third sword dusted, which would explain why he has an emotional reaction to Galea’s ID card after killing her (Infernal Guldo)

the radio: exists, everyone (including Luxin): "hoo, boy, what does it mean?!" me: "the butter cookies lookin' real tasty like (and I've seen them in animes, too)" priorities, am I right? :D

i always thought the yellow and blue balls coming together were particles or atoms coming together, and then the next scene showing an annihilation event right after, and not the whole universes. but the different depictions did throw me off a bit. i like consistency, so visually changing up how we see things confuses me a bit lol

Oh my god, Luxin, I love you for 31:55 and 32:48. I've always found the backstory for 3 to be complete nonsense and I'm glad other people point it out. Like to add to both, based on the photo and Shulk and Rex's ages, they figured ALL that stuff out in like 20-30 years which is EVEN MORE nonsensical; plus, Origin Metal shouldn't even exist when you realize the worlds are of opposing nature, so shouldn't the 1 Origin Metal and 2 Origin Metal cancel out? Or is just magical spooky McMuffin that always existed and is only relevant now? Like 33:53 is literally the mentality of 3's worldbuilding and it's hyper frustrating. Either way, great video, as always!

36:28 it’s worth noting that Alvis’ goodbye from the ending of DE is visually called back by Alpha’s goodbye to Matthew (or maybe it was the original Alvis somehow, since he seemed to have no grudge against Matthew for helping murder him). So Alvis’ words to Shulk about all life walking hand in hand were probably his last words.

I don't know if this counts as a retcon, but somewhere in base game ( i belive morytha) jin says that humans and blades used to live togheter in old torna, but when you actually play torna, there is like, 2 blade npcs.

I need Xenoblade X to get tied into the main series Luxin... don't give me hope.

Ooo my day has been made, new luxin vid.

Regarding the Origin material being some super-advanced unknown metal, it is possible that after the events of their respective games, the two parties had access to knowledge of pre-catastrophe Earth and the discoveries made through the Conduit. Shulk and co. had Alvis if he were willing to share, and Rex and co. had tons of ancient Earth ruins they could look through, especially now that they are familiar with the true nature of Morytha. I don't know if they would have been able to grab a whole lot from the tower before it collapsed, though, but there were plenty of ruins with the potential for some records and computers. Alvis could have just shared the technology when the two parties communicated, too.

Words can’t describe the amount of dopamine I get when I see a notification for a Luxin upload

Curiously, A also refers to ONTOS as male when A explains how Alpha came to be: "Ontos proclaimed himself Alpha and chose to leave for a new world."

A+ video as always. Also yeah I was so annoyed that people on the internet were just like "WOO SAGA IS CANON" without spoiler warnings or anything within days of FR coming out! I hadn't had time to play it yet!!

After a month I naturally check Luxin for a new video cause I'm like "wait there hasn't been a new Luxin video in awhile." My Luxin period flared up earlier and I just barely missed the new video drop 😅

omg can i finally watch a luxin video

My head cannon about Lin’s hair pins is that Xenoblade 1 is a video game in the X universe and she played it before earth was destroyed and was a fan so she made the pins

YO that transition to Torna was sick

Nice find on the other sealed worlds, but I doubt that sequence at the start of Xenoblade 3 was those other worlds. It could've just been a close up representation of the Annihilation effect scaled to the size of individual positive and negative ether particles. The demonstration of the two worlds colliding in Nia's explanation with the red and blue spheres is probably closer to what it would've looked like on a planetary scale. It does leave me curious about what these other universes are that were birthed from Klaus's experiment, however. I do agree that X has to be one of these other worlds to explain the Telethia superboss, and considering how what happened to X's earth is basically an annihilation event, its entirely possible that X's universe was destroyed and Mira is in yet another universe. This would also allow X to be part of the xenochronicles/gears lore to not contradict, as alien life can exist in these pocket universes but not at the scale of Xenosaga's part of the lower domain until Xenoblade pops into it and suddenly you wind up with every species from 2 and 1 existing. Not that anything from Xenoblade is going to matter if the xenosaga does wind up sharing a universe in Xenochronicles 4, because everyone is going to die by the entirety of the lower domain's gnosis or moebius will turn into gnosis by proxy of the millions of gnosis suddenly coming into contact with them and the only weapon that can defeat the gnosis is going to burn up in the atmosphere of a planet completely unfamiliar to the laws of the domain they suddenly find themselves in, meaning they won't discover the hilbert effect in time and Shion won't arrive in time to teach them.

26:03 That's a very bold assumption, even for you, Mr. Luxin.

Mira being a pocket dimension and the White Whale (along with multiple other alien ships) being sucked into it would allow X to fit into the continuity of 1-3.

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also FYI it seems anyone is able to directly edit the google doc you linked, not sure if intentional or not?

Xenoblade has the best form of storytelling Never fully understand it but will continue to look for every aspect of the game to know more!

🤔 The only thing that comes to mind, as a casual, is the key changed into a core Cristal, but that's just a design thingy

36:36 “Moebius and Klaus’ lingering stuff”

I'm personally fond of the idea that the different depictions are due to zanza and klaus remembering it differently. Where klaus lives in the failed world, on the space elevator, with a daily reminder of his crimes against all humanity, and with the conduit just kinda chilling over there of course he'd have a better memory of it than zanza, who is now like a thousand years in a world in which that experiment was successful and he did actually become the God of a new universe. Would also explain the difference in tone between zanza and klaus, where zanza sounded cock sure and triumphant the entire way through, where klaus sounded more passive and just like someone who wanted to see what would happen.

As for the Origin metal, they could simply say that it was a byproduct of the new worlds being created in Xenoblade 1 and 2 or even better that “Klaus’ gift” at the end was the invention of the metal to eventually combine the two worlds again.

Cuz I know the developers plan this out ever since Xeno gears while the Creator anyway, it's supposed to be six main games, originally bought the Creator had to change it cuz he only could make three games at first and he finally was able to make the final three and add games to it. Cuz I think this is the timeline they would go with but might change it over time. Xenoblade Chronicles 1-3(2XXX- 4XXX) now in the first two games the conduit/ Zohar disappeared and reappeared in normal space and the rest of the universe but it seems to be able to split itself into places cuz it was on Earth, it was on that ship and look completely different it was red until a creature came out of it kill crew. But it was also inside the pocket dimension and then left meaning it can manipulate space and time and appear at any moment it wants and Drawn to humanity to see what they would. My theory is God/ U-DO controls the Zohar/ conduit and created three copies of it to observe Humanity to see what they would do and I don't think humans noticed we know it's because where the audience but I don't think the other humans notice there were three of them. Cuz even though the emulators were created 4,000 years later even though they're copies they're extremely powerful so three copies of it would not be surprising but I don't think Humanity made them though. Xeno Saga 1 - 3 (4XXX- 10,000) pretty much the events of the Zohar emulators and the real causing all sorts of havoc in the rest of the universe pretty much in the third game a giant gnosis destroys most of the Galaxy Federation and other groups probably killing trillions of people cutting off the surviving planets for probably a very long time. Cuz I know Shion, Kosmos survive and ReDiscover Earth which is actually Xenoblade 3 Earth when it's been a recombined become a new Earth. Pretty much Xeno gears,(4XXX - 10,000) the start of the cutscene when the ship was destroyed by that creature that came from the Zohar the red one it happened exactly the same time as Xeno Saga episode 1 it happened exactly at the same moment. And the creator of the series did this on purpose to connect both games both old and new cuz it's a part of the original plan. Now Xenoblade Chronicles X it's going to need major explaining( 4 billion years) pretty much at the start of the game the narrator said they've been on Earth for 4 billion years which is a secondary Earth that humans from the coalition government the ones that started the entire Exodus plan back in the 21st century, and sent humans to different planets it's radio broadcast made that perfectly clear they wouldn't have mentioned it if it wasn't important. And the original coalition government left Earth and found another Earth-like planet cuz when the main character was being explained about how Earth was destroyed I saw two moons in the cutscene they were put there on purpose, remember they planned this out from the very beginning to connect all the games. Pretty much the Phantoms and their spaceship are pretty remnants from origin because origin would still exist but it might have changed over time creating mechanical life forms and for some reason they want to invade Earth 2, now the Ganglion, aliens mention the great one who is probably the architect which is a religion that's been passed down for billions of years cuz all the aliens are actually descendants of the Samaritans( humans and homhom from Xenoblade 1 - 3,) and not just humans the monsters that used to be on the original Earth. Urarayans ( the blue scale people) could have evolved into the squid looking lady from the game, and their current leader but the Giants Stinger coming out of his back could also be related to a monster that evolved after billions of years,Prone could have evolved from a pig monster, the Cat aliens could have evolved from the Gormatte( cat people), that giant aliens that looks ape like could have evolved from a certain giant ape big Gonzalez😅😅😅😅😅 now that elf looking alien could have evolved from actual humans after billions of years and have pointy ears, and Elma could also be a descendant of a blade or human but evolved over time into a new species, L who is a native of Mira could be related to both humans and Blades but evolved into a different species from Elma, pretty much all the aliens are actually native to the original Earth called Mira😮😮😮😮😮 but they left the planet billions of years ago but it seems aliens have been on the planet before but forgotten their history. Mira is the original Earth, but after 4 billion years a lot of things could have happened like Xenoblade Saga 4( probably cause a lot of havoc for Earth since it goes through a lot of space and time anomalies and those moons that appear all over the planet might be moons from different time periods or different planets me a lot of crazy things happen to the planet after 4 billion years) my name new game hasn't been made yet I don't even know the official name yet but I'm mostly made up a name. Or Xenoblade X is another pocket dimension again all I have to do is sit back and watch pretty much all the games are connected that's going to be a lot of rewriting from some of the Lord though.

Origin metal likely came from the wreckages of the world tree/artifices and the mechonis. 1) the world tree/orbital ring/artifices were all powered by the conduit, which if it's the same as the zohar then it's all connected to the collective unconscious, as is origin metal 2) more of a stretch but the mechonis was created as a by product of klaus' experiment, which also involved the conduit 3) there's a good chunk of the mechonis missing from aionios in both base 3 and future redeemed 4) a few scenes in 1 imply that the faces are connected through some kind of hive mind or collective cognitive cloud thing which implies technology stemming from the power of the conduit

Could it be that the Klaus experiment that caused Xenoblade 1's world to be formed in a pocket dimension and it's merge with Alrest is the reason why Earth/ Lost Jerusalem cannot be located in xenosaga? I've always thought about this, but with this video saying 1's world as a pocket dimension could imply that Klaus' experiment had not only recreated a new universe (as klaus said), but also created a pocket dimension that could be separate from the dimension U-DO and other form of beings that could be behind the conduit/ Zohar?

38:19 i will never get over this cutscene being used, it makes me laugh everytime

Can someone elaborate on the idea about Adam & Amalthus swapping cores? Maybe I’m just hearing it wrong but if Pneuma is always female and Logos is always male what would be different other than Pneuma being Amalthus’ blade and Logos being Adam’s? I’m assuming that it’s based on separating the blades of Malos/Mythra from the base core of Logos/Pneuma? In that due to how awakening a blade is in part based on the personality of the driver- despite awakening the opposite core Amalthus would still end up with a “Malos” but in the female form dictated by Pneuma and vice-versa? Did I just answer my own question by working it out while typing?

I'd be so hype if the radio broadcasts in Future Redeemed turned out to be hints toward a remastered version of X that was reworked to fit with the numbered trilogy.

You said using light to communicate between dimensions is nonsensical. I personally think it touches on annihilation in physics and its theoretical aspects, especially in quantum mechanics, something that's very theoretical. I'd suggest reading more about this if you want to understand more about the annihilation event.

Cant wait to watch this when i have 47 minutes of spare time

Have the new interviews from the 3 and Trinity Box soundtracks dropped yet? I’m so desperate to hear all the insane shit Takahashi and crew are planning.

When they eventually reveal that nopon created the Zohar to take over the universe and that’s why they are in every game I’m gonna laugh so hard Also I like to think Xenoblade 1 birth of the universe is how Zanza remembers it, and Xenoblade 2 is how Klaus remembers it

Xenoblade X may be connected to the main series by those references, and Mira might be the world from the main series millions of years into the future. For now though they were most likely cheeky references for the fans, but I do hope they do retcon the game with its DE to having some more concrete connections to the main series because it is kind of the odd ball out of the entire series otherwise. I still think the blue light at the end of future redeemed is more likely the White Whale than KOS-MOS though. Then again I'm also leaning towards it being neither and more of a hint at Xenoblade 4 instead. If they do do remasters/remakes of Xenogears and Xenosaga it would be cool to have more connections between the games other than cheeky references and cameos, but at the same time I kind of want them to keep the original visions of both games intact as well. I don't want a complete overhaul of Gears or Saga's lore just to fit in with the events of Blade, but an acknowledgement of the multiverse would be pretty cool. Bare minimum though I'd like Pied Piper and a Missing year to be made into DLC length games though as that would make Xenosaga feel a bit more complete.

They had a easy out which would not have required Xenoblade 2 to retcon Xenoblade 1 at all since they went through the trouble of changing hair color in the Klaus scenes based on other science fiction one would have assumed both of those scenes happened in different universes along with Klaus himself in 2 confirming the existence of multiple universes. There is also Takahashi claiming that the story for 3 was considered as a sequel before 2 and also Takahashi claiming 2 had no connections to 1 before launch of 2.

Great video! Could someone tell me how the radio scene connects Gears to Blade? I get the Saga connection

You make a point at 32:45 that origin metal is a "miracle material", making it sound as if it's something that cannot exist in the worlds of 1, and had not existed within 2. I would beg to differ, however. Going in order of your points, this is my counter argument You could argue that "Origin Metal" (inside of the world of Aionios) could just be any normal metal from outside of the worlds (like just any old metal, or even Mechon metal) that has its powers given to it form inside of Aionios due to it being what helped form this stopped world. It would similar to how the Manado is an extension of the Trinity processor, being able to do damage to anything inside of its own world (The Bionis). Plus, we know the trinity processor helped create the pocket dimensions found in 1 and 2, and it is also used to help make the world of origin. That could be why the Sword of Origin, (or the Lucky Seven) is able to cut through any element of the world it resides in, being made of the literal fabric of the world itself. And we can even explain how Origin metal is found within the world of Aionios this way as well. The idea that the worlds of 1 and 2 were scanned, you can assume any parts of Origin would make their way into the combined world as well. You can assume two things with this, 1: There were scraps of Origin metal taken off of Origin during the collision of worlds, sending them scattered as time froze. This would allow for those small shards to be read as data, split into the world, and cast about. Assuming the impact created hundreds of shards, you can explain away all of the pieces found, and used, throughout Xenoblade Chronicles 3. Alternatively... 2: (Forgive me if I get something incorrect here, I haven't played 3 in a while) When Zed brings Origin into the world of Aionios during the events of the worlds collision, it is possible he created enough of a disturbance within Origin to knock loose shards of it. (Especially when it appears over the center of Aionios during Future Redeemed, with Alpha/Falls onto the previously mentioned land in the ending) This could explain how many parts of Origin are scattered around Aionios, and would give in universe events as to why Origin is found throughout all of the surrounding portions of Aionios. These are atleast my main two theories as to why there is Origin metal found throughout the land of Aionios. Im always welcome to contradictions/counterpoints from other people though! And, as for the whole "Containing souls" portion... The origin metal outside of Aionos, however, is a bit harder to pinpoint, being able to hold the souls of every living being, as you said. Though, if the idea of ether is put into play, we could maybe surmise that all the metal does is just holds the ether of each being, similarly to how the Core Crystals hold their own data. And, maybe the metal is keeping the data in a way that prevents it from being intertwined fully, (possibly through a coding difference, or some trinity processor malarkey or something?) This could even work similarly to how Mechons can store ether inside of them, the metal of Origin (The half from Bionis) could easily be designed to incorporate that design element. Thusly, this wouldn't particularly need to be a retcon, rather it would just be under-elaborated upon. Honestly though, it is entirely possible I am just grasping at straws here. I don't know if I have any semblance of being correct, but it really doesn't matter. In the end, this is just to get people thinking, maybe have them create their own ideas for this topic. Either way, thank you for reading this, any of you guys. I don't have many xenoblade friends so this is my way of getting my xenoblade energy out there! :P

My idea for the xenoblade 2 side having a material to build origin with is that agate found the material. I have the idea that Rex and his party actually pulled every rare blade except the fanservice ones like KOS-MOS and T-elos

For the space station retcon from 2. I always thought this scene is one time told by alvis and one time told by Klaus. So based on that Alvis might not have described the war or space station accurately for unknown reasons or left these parts out on purpose. And i believe they are now on purpose different since they did not Reuse the cutscenes from XC2 for Xenoblade Chronicles remaster. Edit: Should have finished the video before writing this 😅

Me: *sees title, remembers Klaus slapping/shoving Galea.*

They literaly uses Definitve Editions look to make a whole 4 secondish snibbit cutscene of shulk picking up the ontos core crystal. That really through me off so much.

It's 2 am and instead of sleeping and fixing my sleep schedule, I decided to watch a 44 minute video about Xenoblade retcons

My big theory: The key we've lost refers to Alvis old model having a key and the original plan was to reintroduce the Zohar in X or the follow up of X and what they scratched. At least I do think that at some point it was planned to have X being connected to 1, 2, 3. They could still do it with different universes and all but it wpuld prolly just be a "Yeah this is the same Game series you know" easter egg rather than expanding on them like 2 did.

I seem to have missed something, is Gears referenced in FR or 3 outside of the radio and Noah/Matthew's designs? The way you were talking at the end made it seem like it could be hypothetically be connected to the larger Xeno-verse, or am I misunderstanding something?

On the subject of the radio, earlier in the video it was brought up all the different worlds we see when XC1 and 2 are coming together? Is it too much of a stretch that other than one of them also being Mira that one of them represents Ygnas and another is the Saga universe?

They've actually retconned surprisingly little considering how few changes there were to Definitive Edition, most of the heavy lifting was actually done by 2 recontextualizing stuff from 1 (Like Alvis and Shulk throwing the Monado at each other which is used as a basis for the way Drivers and Blades work), but I wouldn't call that a retcon since it doesn't really redefine or change how Alvis and Shulk behave, it instead built upon it; the only thing in 2 I would consider a retcon is the Klaus scene, particularly changing the general shape of the Radamanthus and giving Klaus a bit more of a motivation with the war, I wouldn't consider the Trinity Processor a retcon because it does not change anything from 1, again it just builds upon it, there was nothing in 1 that said Alvis was the only computer.

Hear me out, Xenoblade X takes place after the main trilogy after the reboot of origin, with all races becoming human, as seen in the City. The Earth formed after the reboot of Origin is the same Earth that got destroyed in X. Origin undid Klaus's experiment, and Mira made that undoing all for nothing. Perhaps Mira isn't just a byproduct of Aionios, but rather the last remaining bit of Moebius. Xenoblade X never truly ends, after all. Mira could be purgatory for the undoing of a Klaus's sin. In closing, I don't think X is a separate universe, but rather a follow up to the ending of Future Redeemed.

So here's the thing about the Origin Metal stuff, it's implied in Xenoblade 3 that the Ouroboros power was just something Nia and Melia came up with, a retcon to the world's laws and Moebius/Origin itself went along with it. And I think this extends to the Origin metal itself. It may just be regular metal, but because of how the world is controlled by the mind of Moebius it is deemed as this all powerful thing by their rules.

22:00 are all these things really retcons though. If they are obviously like you said I’m on board for it. But also as you said it doesn’t ‘change’ anything. It just adds more to it. And unless I misheard you, it doesn’t change the lore either. It just changes what people THOUGHT was the lore but was never confirmed

I really don't like the idea of there being other pocket dimensions created by Klaus. I feel like it would mess with the ideas of the 1 and 2 worlds being made of opposite kinds of matter, which parallels the current theory of how our own universe began, with matter and anti-matter. Not to mention it being true would bring up even more questions that only complicate this already dense, complex plot that I feel like 3 was already failing to cover enough of. So adding more to it would only lead to more things slipping through the cracks and going unexplained.