A Very Normal Discussion About a Radio in Xenoblade 3 Future Redeemed 

"Riku is not blue thingy to falling from sky, Riku is Riku."

@@munkyman33 Common variety Nopon. ^_^

Riku is common variety meteor

@Big Tatsu Manana

I honestly thought it was a new world so new Zohar

wearing a suit rn actually

We need the xenoblade community to come together in suits and discuss the incoming peak fiction in the future. It’s insane. One cutscene changes completely everything.

Surely one will show up using Nagi's suit with a katana

Stop idol worshipping

@@KARLOSPCgame The entire fandom becomes Nagi cosplayers, that would be a great way to show that he's more than just an empty suit.

A radio and a funny little trademark

🤣 Work smarter not harder!

Imagine the original humans, space colonist, meeting the 'Humans' of the Merged World

And a hope for xenosaga 4

@@therealjaystone2344 XenoMultiverse with Noah's son and the daughter of Fei Wong!

Bingo. And, I'm thinking the same thing for Square Enix. Xenogears is perfect for the HD-2D treatment.

​@@KnightGamer724 don't get my hopes up

@@KnightGamer724 Okay but do they redo the second disc?

@@FeralPhilosopher I guess that they will redo disc 2 from scratch

Meanwhile me in full copium that the Xenosaga releases that didn't get localized will eventually be in english(Officially or through a fantranslation does not matter. Heck, official localization has missed references multiple times now)

Thank god. Itll be great to get more horror elements into xenoblade.

Kenya and Philedelphia are as well

Ohio is real. 💀

Russia too.

@@Roto3 Ohio will never be real

"While Na'el coped and seethed about the perfect future" is a phrase I'll never get out of my head for as long as I live.

Cope and seethed an absolutely perfect description of Na’el throughout the story. I did exactly the same as @woketacha6112 as well lmao

Wait, Na'el was there? I didn't notice as my eyes were glued to the top of the screen :D

Yeah same situation here. My brain was using the cognitive equivalant to as fusion art to remember everything for when i watched the luxin vid

i was watching the subtitles like a HAWK cuz i played xcx and knew there HAD to be a tie-in and when they did the big reveal i totally freaked. name dropped project exodus and everything. i was so stoked.

Who would win? A meta-physical, inter-dimensional source of infinite power that can manifest anything that is physically possible for those that connect with it VS a vintage looking radio

​​@@vergiltasev7108 who would win? A meta-physical, inter-dimensional source of infinite power that can manifest anything that is physically possible for those that connect with it VS the Zohar

@@arminarlelt7471 Are you comparing the Conduit with the Zohar?

@@vergiltasev7108 bit like comparing apples to more apples, i think

@@vergiltasev7108 I thought the Conduit was the Zohar

I think xenoblade 1 getting remastered acted as a refresher for Takahashi too

Since that ending really is KOS-MOS... what about the Blade of her from 2? Was she just a replica then? Or just a nice Easter egg call back? 💀

perfect works, ever since xenogears

Takahashi confirmed that the entire concept for 3 came early in XC2's development, so yeah, it turns out that Xenoblade 2 was most likely planned the entire time to be Lost Jerusalem - especially because the Saviorite reference, which I didn't realize until now is supposed to be a direct reference to the Salvator faction So that's really the most mind-blowing bullshit of all, the fact that KOS-MOS' appearance was actually extremely plot-relevant despite seeming like a fun easter egg... holy hell they did it again

​@@juanthehorse420i agree. I also think that another name for the blade series might be the lost jerusalem chronicles. Basically giving the story beat in xenosaga that somehow earth disappeared from the cosmos do to the zohar experiment some real context. Xenoblade series being answer to the question, what exactly happend to make it disappear. I will also add the fact that perhaps because monolith were never able to realise there full vision while with namco, probably because namco didnt want too much support going to a niche series that didnt make a bunch of money. But now that xeno series is basically a nintendo franchise now, and they dont like to stiffle their creators visions, the xeno series finally has enough legs underneath it to finally be truly successful.

Lol so Rex is Mathew’s great great uncle

@harrisonyoung3857 great great grandfather in other terms

We don't know Rex ever found out about N and M being together.

@@Movel0 i thought there was a line where shulk or rex say something to the effect of “so this is for her” at raguel lake? Could be remembering wrong. In any case it seems like they know who he is and that is he has the logos core crystal. And we know M exists at this point at least since the destruction of the city and that she meets her mother seemingly between these events and base game. They have to know about M actually. They say Matthew is N’s “flesh and blood”. Which means he is technically also Rex’s. Kinda confusing. Would love for someone to make a timeline.

I mean Rex does say “ Leave it to Uncle rex” in his entrance to the möbius fight

The process of perfecting the oroboros power is probably what was needed and why melia Nia and riku put so much emphasis on it. That power is the catalayst/secret ingredient that was needed so the matter and Anti-matter could coexist again.

Meaning our casts from the Xenoblade series should be present for whatever comes next. Right? 0_o

@@Jayman099099 We can only hope

​@@Jayman099099Unless too much time passes before the next game. Depending on what happens next, I'm not sure which I'd prefer. Of course I want to see the old casts again, but not if we get the kinds of things that happened in Xenoblade Chronicles 1 and Xenogears, or just too much carnage and death in general. I worry for my favorite characters' wellbeing.

Yeah the two worlds combining is more akin to a balancing of universal forces. The conduit, a source of limitless energy was needed to cause the split. So how much would be released as a result of them combining? enough to destroy everything

*Radiosaga Chronicles

xenopodcast

Thumbs up to support the XCM? Xeno Cinematic Multiverse!

Xenoblade Saga

Xenoblade Chronicles 4: Saga

Fun fact, the Xenoblade OST Trinity Box coming out in July has a 56 page booklet wouldn't it be some funny shit if they put more canon lore in that

@@ArceusDX There will definitely be massive interviews, that much is a safe bet

@@ArceusDX Yep I bought it for that and also to serve as a monolith to cap off this 13 year arc of Xeno.

@@QuanNguyen-yw3ft Heh, monolith

Given the opportunity, they’d probably stuff lore-relevant information into the Shulk, Pyra, and Mythra amiibos.

Yes

X vs Xenosaga. The battle of two dead series

@@masterxxxtamer48Xenosaga is back babyyyy

@@masterxxxtamer48 hey one of them got mentioned lmao

@@masterxxxtamer48 Forgotten vs Finished respectively

All we hear is radio saga Radio soogoo Radio saga All we hear is radio saga Radio blah blah Radio, what's new? Radio, someone still loves you

though Bamco is also equally capable of making the best wrong decisions either

Other than humans are descendents of godlike ppl able to create their own species to enslave. And kill these aliens due to their genes being poison

YES LUXIN YOU MISSED A BIG THING YOU COULD CONNECT TO YURIEV BEING CANONICALLY IMMORTAL PLEASE MAKE A NEW VIDEO ON THE TOPIC!!!!

holy fucking shit, XC2 is now known to have been planned with all of this in advance so now that whole plot thread makes even more sense

They will be the next big bad of the future Blade games! Makes good sense with your mentioning of the core crystal technologies, which mesh very well with what Klaus told Rex in XBC2. Their fate/curse with immortality. What if the planets combining/fusing actually phase-transitioned the whole world back into Klaus' original universe? Their world would be like Lost Jerusalem, but now found. My crackpot theory is that the original universe has the Saviorite remnants in deep space, and they will come/return to reclaim what was lost (the planet and "conduit tech"). The people in the new world of these XBC games will be seen as "abominations of Klaus," to be exterminated, and some will be harvested.

I was thinking the same thing, I have to go check now.

I don't know the lore for Xenosaga, but couldn't continuing that universe along with the universe of Xenoblade also mean moving towards the future?

@@mpgeistSpot on.

It's hilarious to think that Bible stories in the xenoverse are actually just prophicies for the xenoblade games lmao. Jesus really pulled a fast one on us.

While XC3 had the major theme of moving on, it was in the context of the "endless now", essentially living in the present forever and never wanting to move forward beyond what is current. What Future Redeemed's message seems to be is that while moving towards the future is what we should do, we can't leave behind the past altogether. Alpha wanted to annihilate everyone of the old worlds and have only the new children of the City live on. So I think the themes and motivations in FR's story match perfectly with what was revealed on a meta level. While the creative direction of Xeno from now on is moving beyond Perfect Works, it's not abandoning the past continuity of Saga or those characters completely either. We may get nods to Xenogears and more references to Xenoblade X, too, going by how that radio broadcast connected to them as well.

@@mpgeist 100%! I was mostly referring to my own desire for the saga games to be continued for as long as possible, though my comment doesn't make that clear. I think the past and present walking hand in hand toward the future is an exciting thing to think about!

yay i agree with that joke because out of 4 different people I've watch playing that part of the game ALL of them had low batteries at that scene lol

It probably also helps the Nod by tying Yuriev to his Son, notable Philanthropist on transhuman rights, Gainun Kukai, AKA Nigredo.

Common political tactic even used today, claim a divisive and morally disdainful act as though it were a "just cause" to try and push it through. Then when met with opposition, make them out to be monsters for opposing a supposed "rights" bill, gaining support from a group of people who don't know any better and just hear certain words that make them feel righteous. Yup, Yuriev makes all the right plays to gain a cult following

But the URTV’d didn’t exist at this point

this makes the most sense of everything I've heard actually.

@@organicsatanic would be interesting if XBX Definitive Edition ever happens to see if they add in XB2 references as well

That is actually a very cool idea I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what they go with if they wanna make X canon especially since in some of the concept art for mira it shows some weird glitchy landscapes

Did klaus earth have nopon?

@@Mr3DLC No but also when we see the evolutionary tree of Alrest nopon aren't there at all so if we ever take them seriously they are sus af

God's mistake.

Honestly the entire story that the residents of new LA were fed about earth's destruction might be programmed propaganda, either to get people into the lifehold, or added retroactively to justify their extradition into it.

I mean, the new version of Klaus's experiment in 2 directly and explicitly contradicts Alvis's dialogue at the end of 1. If Takahashi wants to stitch ALL of Xenoblade together, he'll just do it. And wouldn't be as hard a Luxin makes it sound honestly.

​@@Nuvendil Exactly XCDE and XC2 already retconned a lot the lore before, Takahashi can easily tie XCX or Saga because he wants to lol

​@@Zerorenren4761and it doesn't feel dumb. Imo. It feels better with the retcons

Assuming it is KOS-MOS falling to earth (and I think it is) there is no reason to suggest that X cannot be the next game. KOS-MOS showing up in Xenoblade 3 FR just ties it up, but what happens next? In a game about history repeating and the flow that cannot but happen, well it's fair to say earth starts again, humans start again, and eventually, we go to space to escape an alien invasion 😅 That said I loved X but it could do with a do over. Too many ideas jammed into one game that also shoehorned WiiU functionality. Great concept and a great starting point for the next series.

I've been scrolling through this wondering if I should leave a comment saying something similar, but then I found yours and I agree. I do hope the Xenosaga gets a proper Remake a la FF VII or the Resident Evil Remakes - something that can do their intended scope justice. And heck, maybe Xenogears can one day get the same. Aside that I kinda wish the series stay in their own parallel universes (Xenoblade has more or less shown that to be a thing anyway) so that fans of either series don't have to play it ALL to be in the loop. Because while it all being tied together IS sorta neat, it could also get super convoluted with more and more WTF moments making no sense unless you remember all details of a dozen games (and I am already struggling with 3 Xenoblades :D). To tie back to your comment, yes, I saw that radio scene similar. As much as Future Redeemed seemed like a sendoff to the "Klaus Trilogy", the radio seemed like paying respects to the games that came before. Those without which Xenoblade would maybe never have existed. And in-universe yes, I can imagine that similar people and events happen in various different ways across different parallel universes. So maybe we do see Xenoblade versions of characters that also existed in Xenosaga AND maybe Xenogears in future games in different contexts. And along with proper Xenosaga Remakes, that I think would be awesome. But who knows what the future brings. Uncertainty we got in spades, but that's why we keep marching forward.

Honestly, I don't see why they would bother including X into the multiverse in the first place if its story is appreantly not worth being picked up again. Either fans are jumping to conclusions about a farewell-easteregg too soon or it is a creative choice I absolutely don't vibe with personally.

@@Backtothegameplay "Proper remake a la FFVII" 🤔

@@leonardo25gabriel My apologies, I have not played FF VII Remake. What I wanted to say was "A Proper Remake, i.e. not just upscaling some textures and increasing the resolution - i.e. from scratch".

Ok but then where did the 5 moons on mira come from

METRIC SYSTEM IN AMERICA?! IMPOSSIBLE!!!

@@mimesforcrimes8393 It’s true though. Also, the metric system is superior to the imperial system because it’s way more accurate. I’m an American expat, and adapting to the metric system was easy for me because of my time in the US Army. That and I worked as a field engineer for a number of years and everything was metric in that field.

This is true. In xenoblade X, almost everyone is either military personnel or used to work for the US government, and when the temperature's displayed on screens, it's always in celsius.

@@darkstarmobile There's no accuracy difference between metric and imperial, unless you're talking about the definitions of stuff like meters, kilograms, etc, which are based on observable phenomena rather than a prototype these days. The real strength of metric over imperial is ease of conversion, and therefore, ease of use in math.

Not to mention saying things about project exodus,the white whale and say all stuff in July if I remember.

​@@jerelwright1495 I don't think the white whale is mentioned by name all they say is a new set of ships are lunching in July.

I personally agree. I think they want to return to XC:X as well. I think they will probably retcon it's story to change the reasons for their Exodus. It's a simple change and ultimately then it will lead into a new trilogy following the story of Elma and her crew.

@@the_maverickk I agree, Xenoblade X being retconned is fine, especially if it allows proper integration into the rest of the Xeno series. Also, it's not like much would really be lost/changed, only really the way Earth was destroyed, and probably the Samaarians, the Ganglion, and the Ghosts (Those are basically the most important pieces of Xenoblade X lore but Monolith will figure it out.)

Plus the entire thing with origin being seemingly a very intentional thematic mirror to the lifehold. Xc3 and future redeemed may be giving us clues about the XCX cliffhanger's true meaning.

rhadamanthus possibly is in ecuador due to how the land is

In Mass Effect, Earth's first space elevator was built in Singapore. In the Gundam Seed series, there are major battles to control mass drivers (basically a catapult for launching ships into space, basically a Dollar Store version of a space elevator) near Lake Victoria on the Kenyan side of the border, in Panama near the Panama Canal, and an artificial island near Papua New Guinea. The only bizarre location where a mass driver was located was in Kaohsiung, Taiwan, which is pretty far from the equator.

​​@@AICWhy go for Seed? We have 00 which has actual orbital elevators instead of mass drivers. Tower is near the border of Brazil and Columbia, Tenchu is on an artificial island near Nauru, north of the Solomon islands, and La Tour is west of Lake Victoria near the border of Uganda and the Democratic Republic of Congo.

I also want to point out in Halo 3, the Artifact (a slipspace activator made by the alien Forerunner race) was also located in Kenya outside the city of Mombasa. While still a bit aways from the Lake Victoria, I'm starting to notice a theme surrounding many sci-fi connections to space and the country of Kenya.

I mean... Of many of the things KOS-MOS is, a radio is fairly sensible.

@@adamrhodes9533 well the end of XS3 casually implies that radio technology is almost nonexistent by then, so it's possible she isn't one

I really hope they do retcon X so it's canon, I have never played it as I don't own a WII U.

@@cjthenarhwalking1378 It will likely be a different canon and story split.

X is another Universe

What have they retconned since 2, besides Alvis core?

@@Nachtflut Even Alvis is barely a retcon, he literally calls himself a Monado and administrator for a computer, that’s deadass the same thing as ‘I’m an Aegis’

@@Nachtflut Klaus experiment in 1 was retconned to be as depicted in 2. The Universe not being destroyed and a new one created with this is also a retcon.

there is a scenario where X can fit, without the need for retcons, I made the detailed post here in the comments, just look up. Or I can copy/paste here, if you prefer.

You are comparing a tiny retcon to a "I'm gonna change the whole plot" retocn

yeah, there are scenarios where X can fit with no need for retcons, only needing that they stick strong to the concept of eternal reocorrence. I myself can imagine one (well, two actually): On the merged "New Earth" (lets call it like that) from years after 3 ending, whose people (from 1 and 2) were already very tech advanced, go on to advance even more, and eventually depart to conquer galaxies, they are what eventually becomes the Samaarian federation (at the down of time, they came in from another plane, as per X, just like happened when the XC2 universe came in from another plane, to merge). They expand so much that at some distant future, the "New Earth" ends up forgotten/lost. They continue to evolve and change. Eventually at some point in the distant future, they decided to terraform yet a new Earth, or even, a new solar system (they have so much tech that they can make even this at this point), let´s call it Earth 2, and they make sure to guide evolution there to go as they see fit for their purposes, and then, bioengineer what is supposed to serve as their failsafe (Humans from Xenoblade X), and we know from X that the Samaarians have this level of bioengineering tech, from Xenoblade X quests. Or alternatively, they get to the point of technology of dimension travel (not far fetched, given what XC1/2 people tech did with Origin, and how much tech those people would have at this point I am describing, and the fact many universes is canon to blade), and apply all this to that dimension primitive Earth. More years passes by, Earth 2 evolved to the point where we see in the beggining of Xenoblade X. Earth 2, just like old "New Earth", also has get to a point of having a Coalition government (eternal reocorrence, so ok for the similarity actually), but Earth 2 does not have the Conduit nor the towers . Elma, who maybe could be a possibly modern Samaarian (maybe one of the few left, as the rest mixed and shaped to other races, as they expanded to become a mega galatic empire), that does not agree with the current path and ethics of modern Samaar federation, goes to Earth 2 and warns X humans of the imminent treat. White whale leaves Earth 2, and , "by coincidence" (there are quests that imply that may have actually be driven by some force), lands in none other then old "New Earth"/Lost Earth, there is, "New Earth" millions of year after 3 ending. Or in the other alternative I mentioned, this force that guided then to Earth 2 is what made them swap dimension (still believable given some of the phenomena surrounding Mira, like the Ganglion and the ma-non being led to there in a flash of light). Nopons were native of "New Earth" and unlike old Humans/now Samaarians, some remains there, which makes sense in this scenario. And the reason why humans did not die after the memory storage of the lifehold got wrecked, is because something in "New Earth" also has the capacity to store data and "souls", Origin, who was in "New Earth" since the merge between 1 and 2 eons in the past by now, (something about this planet). Meaning, that last shot in Future redeemed is indeed the white whale crashlanding, and those humans from X name the old "New Earth", Mira (the sequence gives no indication of how much time passed, could be on a cosmic scale as far as we know). Mira geology does lend it itself to this scenario, as, how merged XC1/2 worlds would look like after millenia has passed. As a extra, from the distance from "New Earth" of that shot in future redeemed, a human sized cyborg should not be possible to see, but a ship the size of the white whale could. So X happens millenia after the ending of 3, a time scale that has precedent in the franchise. And the eternal reocorrence do makes history in these two Earths flowing similar, credible, within what the franchise themes has worked on. Here is more believable than the retcons about Dimitri that and the others needed for Saga, for instance. This is just one example of possibly others where Monolith Soft, the actual creators of the franchise, could fit X without the need of retcons or minimal retcons, just the need to stick a bit strongly on eternal reocorrence."

Huh. Maybe it got bored after a few centuries?

So Xenogears and Xenosaga take place in worlds colonized by humans?

Especially because xenosaga 2 sucks gameplay wise and the art got changed lmao.

@@Paradox1012 Yeah, update all the models, standardize the gameplay, and give us Xenosaga Legendary Edition.

​​@@Paradox1012 I like 2's gameplay better than 1's tbh. But 3's is way better than both. But the only thing I really want (within a reasonable possibility of happening), is for them to redub XS2 with the actors that were in 1 and 3. At least Shion, KOS-MOS, and MOMO. They are such a downgrade that it really takes me out of the game more than anything else. I can live with the drastically different gameplay and artsyles, but they need to fix that.

@@Zeik56 The issue with 2 is some parts were extremely Imbalanced. Some enemies and bosses n some areas WAY exceeded everything else within that area ,and was just annoying to fight through.

​​@@Paradox1012 It's been awhile since I last played it, but I have played through it several times over the years and I don't remember anything being egregiously imbalanaced. In fact, once you figure out the combat I remember finding the difficulty pretty rewarding. I do have a memory of struggling in Sakura's domain on my first playthrough, but that just forced me to understand the mechanics, and then I beat the boss I was struggling against much easier.

This video really overestimates how much we definitively know about X. I love X but it's story is not the greatest source of information about its setting. it establishes very little definitively about it's past by delivering its lore through unreliable narrators, and then spends the whole story revolving around the lifehold only to reveal that the lifehold isn't what it told you only to end without clarifying any further. X is so incredibly open to being fitted into any circumstance because it's so poorly defined that it's arguably the greatest possible source of xeno conspiracy boarding Takahashi ever made. It's incredibly difficult to deconfirm X as canon, especially with aspects of its nebulous lore being brought into canon in one of the most important scenes of the xenoblade era.

@@organicsatanic Agreed. I still absolutely want a sequel to X after that non-ending, but I'd be unsurprised and absolutely fine with Monolith just came out and said X was a fully non-canon spinoff. We get those left and right in all kinds of series, and it'd probably be pretty cool to just have a series free of all the massive lore-juggling. Wouldn't be the first series to have one of those, and they seem to be great proving grounds for mechanics.

Xeno Multiverse Confirmed!

@@christiandauz3742 Luxin + Enel gate-keeping confirmed! The reverse cope is so real rn.

I dont want to start a fight but the retcons in Xenosaga are to be minmun for connecto with Xenoblade meanwhile for X conect with main entries has to reconect the 80% of the game

@@samuelgarcia-fo4yn Multiverse

Also with the time distortion from distance in space and based around faster than light travel can mean that time has passed differently for people away from Earth vs those in Earth.

actually there is a possible scenario where X can fit, without the need for retcons, I made the detailed post here in the comments, just look up. Or I can copy/paste here, if you prefer.

there is a scenario where X can fit, without the need for retcons, I made the detailed post here in the comments, just look up. Or I can copy/paste here, if you prefer.

There is a scenario where X can fit, wihtout retcons/minimal retcons. I made a post here describing it, just look up. Or I can copy/paste here if you prefer.

@@joebilly3719 copy paste if you would please, def wanna see it.

@@shotojae6007 Roger. Here is the segment of my original post, where I describe it to Luxin: "here is a scenario which you did not fully consider (you did briefly, but not entirely and not seriously), and that requires no retcons, where X can fit, only needing that they stick strong to the concept of eternal reocorrence. And it goes like this: On the merged "New Earth" (lets call it like that) from years after 3 ending, whose people (from 1 and 2) were already very tech advanced, go on to advance even more, and eventually depart to conquer galaxies, they are what eventually becomes the Samaarian federation (at the down of time, they came in from another plane, as per X, just like happened when the XC2 universe came in from another plane, to merge). They expand so much that at some distant future, the "New Earth" ends up forgotten/lost. They continue to evolve and change. Eventually at some point in the distant future, they decided to terraform yet a new Earth, or even, a new solar system (they have so much tech that they can make even this at this point), let´s call it Earth 2, and they make sure to guide evolution there to go as they see fit for their purposes, and then, bioengineer what is supposed to serve as their failsafe (Humans from Xenoblade X), and we know from X that the Samaarians have this level of bioengineering tech, from Xenoblade X quests. Or alternatively, they get to the point of technology of dimension travel (not far fetched, given what XC1/2 people tech did with Origin, and how much tech those people would have at this point I am describing, and the fact many universes is canon to blade), and apply all this to that dimension primitive Earth. More years passes by, Earth 2 evolved to the point where we see in the beggining of Xenoblade X. Earth 2, just like old "New Earth", also has get to a point of having a Coalition government (eternal reocorrence, so ok for the similarity actually), but Earth 2 does not have the Conduit nor the towers . Elma, who maybe could be a possibly modern Samaarian (maybe one of the few left, as the rest mixed and shaped to other races, as they expanded to become a mega galatic empire), that does not agree with the current path and ethics of modern Samaar federation, goes to Earth 2 and warns X humans of the imminent treat. White whale leaves Earth 2, and , "by coincidence" (there are quests that imply that may have actually be driven by some force), lands in none other then old "New Earth"/Lost Earth, there is, "New Earth" millions of year after 3 ending. Or in the other alternative I mentioned, this force that guided then to Earth 2 is what made them swap dimension (still believable given some of the phenomena surrounding Mira, like the Ganglion and the ma-non being led to there in a flash of light). Nopons were native of "New Earth" and unlike old Humans/now Samaarians, some remains there, which makes sense in this scenario. And the reason why humans did not die after the memory storage of the lifehold got wrecked, is because something in "New Earth" also has the capacity to store data and "souls", Origin, who was in "New Earth" since the merge between 1 and 2 eons in the past by now, (something about this planet). Meaning, that last shot in Future redeemed is indeed the white whale crashlanding, and those humans from X name the old "New Earth", Mira (the sequence gives no indication of how much time passed, could be on a cosmic scale as far as we know). Mira geology does lend it itself to this scenario, as, how merged XC1/2 worlds would look like after millenia has passed. As a extra, from the distance from "New Earth" of that shot in future redeemed, a human sized cyborg should not be possible to see, but a ship the size of the white whale could. So X happens millenia after the ending of 3, a time scale that has precedent in the franchise. This way, unlike how you said in the video, makes this scenario more credible. And the eternal reocorrence do makes history in these two Earths flowing similar, credible, within what the franchise themes has worked on. Here is more believable than the retcons about Dimitri that you pointed for Saga, for instance. This is just one example of possibly others where Monolith Soft, the actual creators of the franchise, could fit X without the need of retcons or minimal retcons, just the need to stick a bit strongly on eternal reocorrence."

​@@joebilly3719 hope this comes true in some form, those X references can't just have meant nothing

@@jumponeverything Indeed, it would be extremelly weird for Monolith to, knowing they left the game of a cliffhanger, knowing that people are asking for a port and sequel, go on and put direct mentions to Xenoblade X (accurrate for Jap and Eng ) in the ending of the trilogy on a game they said would point to the future of the franchise, but do nothing with it. Makes no sense, if they intended to do just Saga stuff, there would be no reason to put this X mentions there as this obviously and rightfully would lead to a ton of people getting pissed off if they don´t follow up on it. As I showed, and unlike Luxin said, there are scenarios where X can fit without even retcons, but even if they put it just in another universe (which would still be canon since multiverse is canonical in blade), so they better do something with it on Nintendo next console, ideally, on the game 10th anniversary, 2025.

there is a scenario where X can fit, without the need for retcons, I made the detailed post here in the comments, just look up. Or I can copy/paste here, if you prefer.

Oh sheesh, now you're making me think that Origin ends up at the center of Mira.... and Xenoblade X (cross), is called "Cross" because its the crossing of Alrest and Bionis... Or that Mira is actually the fused version or recreation of Alrest and Bionis together.

Seriously, I don't get how hard he's trying to erase any kind of X stuff that was still fundamentally included in the same radio scene. I get it, X would need a heavy retcon and Saga makes more sense, blah blah blah. This level of "references" is not something to be taken lightly, though. Just like how the Saga references are clearly not being taken lightly. I literally don't get the idea that only one or the other has to exist. It's very clear to me that both are going to be tied in. They brought X back into the discussion for a reason, and it wasn't for it to be ignored again. Maybe it isn't in the same universe as the Klaus trilogy. Who cares?? It's coming back, some way or another, and so is Saga. That is the only logical explanation to come from this, and I think it's just stupid to think otherwise.

@@magmangle Yep. You don’t put stuff like this in an exposition dump at the very end of your trilogy and have half of it be irrelevant.

@@magmangle I think what people mostly argue about is which one could happen in the same universe as Xenoblade 1-3 and not which one could come back though. X could easily happen in one of the multiple other universes Klaus mentions in 2 and get a continuation there. And hey they could even tie it in to 1-3 with a sequel, but X as it is right now doesn't quite work in the same universe as 1-3.

@@magmangle it’s insane to me how many xeno content creators just go “Yeah, Projext Exodus is mentioned both in FR and XCX but they’re totally different and just the same name” in the same sentence they go “Dimitri is the same character from Xenosaga even though it makes no sense in the timeline”

there is in fact a possible scenario where X can fit, without the need for retcons, I made the detailed post here in the comments, just look up. Or I can copy/paste here, if you prefer.

Considering what lao saying about the rich and powerful pretty much being the only ones that got a chance to leave it wouldn't be surprising if it was later said the masses weren't actually told. There are so many ways xcx can fit into the overall series.

exactly, X can fit with no need for retcons, only needing that they stick strong to the concept of eternal reocorrence. Example: On the merged "New Earth" (lets call it like that) from years after 3 ending, whose people (from 1 and 2) were already very tech advanced, go on to advance even more, and eventually depart to conquer galaxies, they are what eventually becomes the Samaarian federation (at the down of time, they came in from another plane, as per X, just like happened when the XC2 universe came in from another plane, to merge). They expand so much that at some distant future, the "New Earth" ends up forgotten/lost. They continue to evolve and change. Eventually at some point in the distant future, they decided to terraform yet a new Earth, or even, a new solar system (they have so much tech that they can make even this at this point), let´s call it Earth 2, and they make sure to guide evolution there to go as they see fit for their purposes, and then, bioengineer what is supposed to serve as their failsafe (Humans from Xenoblade X), and we know from X that the Samaarians have this level of bioengineering tech, from Xenoblade X quests. Or alternatively, they get to the point of technology of dimension travel (not far fetched, given what XC1/2 people tech did with Origin, and how much tech those people would have at this point I am describing, and the fact many universes is canon to blade), and apply all this to that dimension primitive Earth. More years passes by, Earth 2 evolved to the point where we see in the beggining of Xenoblade X. Earth 2, just like old "New Earth", also has get to a point of having a Coalition government (eternal reocorrence, so ok for the similarity actually), but Earth 2 does not have the Conduit nor the towers . Elma, who maybe could be a possibly modern Samaarian (maybe one of the few left, as the rest mixed and shaped to other races, as they expanded to become a mega galatic empire), that does not agree with the current path and ethics of modern Samaar federation, goes to Earth 2 and warns X humans of the imminent treat. White whale leaves Earth 2, and , "by coincidence" (there are quests that imply that may have actually be driven by some force), lands in none other then old "New Earth"/Lost Earth, there is, "New Earth" millions of year after 3 ending. Or in the other alternative I mentioned, this force that guided then to Earth 2 is what made them swap dimension (still believable given some of the phenomena surrounding Mira, like the Ganglion and the ma-non being led to there in a flash of light). Nopons were native of "New Earth" and unlike old Humans/now Samaarians, some remains there, which makes sense in this scenario. And the reason why humans did not die after the memory storage of the lifehold got wrecked, is because something in "New Earth" also has the capacity to store data and "souls", Origin, who was in "New Earth" since the merge between 1 and 2 eons in the past by now, (something about this planet). Meaning, that last shot in Future redeemed is indeed the white whale crashlanding, and those humans from X name the old "New Earth", Mira (the sequence gives no indication of how much time passed, could be on a cosmic scale as far as we know). Mira geology does lend it itself to this scenario, as, how merged XC1/2 worlds would look like after millenia has passed. As a extra, from the distance from "New Earth" of that shot in future redeemed, a human sized cyborg should not be possible to see, but a ship the size of the white whale could. So X happens millenia after the ending of 3, a time scale that has precedent in the franchise. And the eternal reocorrence do makes history in these two Earths flowing similar, credible, within what the franchise themes has worked on. Here is more believable than the retcons about Dimitri that and the others needed for Saga, for instance. This is just one example of possibly others where Monolith Soft, the actual creators of the franchise, could fit X without the need of retcons or minimal retcons, just the need to stick a bit strongly on eternal reocorrence."

It’d have to be a second earth, take place after xenosaga 3 or 4, and the year be pushed further back a thousand years.

X’s date could be retconned, but if they wanted to make Rhadamanthus Radio prove X, they could’ve just said Wednesday, May 13th instead of May 16th. Wouldn’t require a retcon and nothing else about FR’s narrative would have to change. If they ARE trying to make X work, which I think they are, I don’t think it’s nearly that direct

Big problem I see are the Artifices. They seem far more high tech than the skells. I do think the telethia does originate from future connected though, and I still think the ghosts are replicas of origin/ moebius.

Being absolutely neutral and agnostic is the only reasonable stance to take given all the info (or lack thereof) given

There is never going to be a new Saga game, that franchise on it’s own is done. Rather elements from it’s story might be present in the next saga of Xenoblade

there is a scenario where X can fit, without the need for retcons, I made the detailed post here in the comments, just look up. Or I can copy/paste here, if you prefer.

@@ZephyrK_ yeah xenosaga 4 will never happen but a ‘definitive’ version of those games in the likes of xc1 to line it up with the xenoblade world prior and/or after Claus’ experiment is still a possibility. I prefer to think that monolith isn’t going to buy out saga from Bandai and develop it cause I’m skeptical towards how well it’s sales would do in comparison to a future game with the Xenoblade ip such as X. But, there’s very little to base my presuppositions on so who knows.

​​@@joebilly3719 i read through it in another post. Good theory and i heared from many people that the parallel dimension is a possibility (i thought since X that it plays far in the future of 1) but i think it could be even simpler. That earth is actually "destroyed" from the experiment and they go through space-time and simply fall on Mira which is remerged Earth. A very short Explanation but this is a easy Possibility. I also thought about all arguments against x and i think i could also think about arguments that dont deny X. But this is what i mean, they could fit everything in the next Game with no Explanation. But they also said the Claus-Saga is over, so i think we wont be getting any explanation anymore about the Reason the Universes split apart. I think we will be getting something new as a whole and for that also a standalone Game like they did with every Xenoblade Title (Game-Length-Issues). If this were True, i think KOS-MOS falling on Earth would be a bad Choice because it would require to play Xenosaga, even if it gets a Remake.

there is a scenario where X can fit, without the need for retcons, I made the detailed post here in the comments, just look up. Or I can copy/paste here, if you prefer.

Same lmao

Core crystals in Alrest were calibrated and reprogrammed by Logos and Pneuma upon creation and between each awakening as a blade until Amalthus took them. Both Logos and Pneuma were still connected to the Conduit at that point, as they didn't fully lose that connection even after they got taken, so it is possible that data about the original got inadvertently transferred into Alrest via the Conduit when KOS-MOS interacted with the Zohar.

there is a scenario where X can fit, without the need for retcons, I made the detailed post here in the comments, just look up. Or I can copy/paste here, if you prefer.

I agree they will probably retcon whatever they need for x and saga to connect. They did it with 1 definitive edition. They got rid of alvis core to connect to 2 better, so they could go as far to say the aliens were a lie by elma or something.

@@aruskey5590 well X may simply take place long after all the other games, where humans did create aliens at some point.

Yeah, people saying that "it's just a reference" are being really skeptical and delusional, there have been several hints of SOME KIND of connection happening between Saga, X and Blade. I mean, Shulk literally teases XC3 on the XC2 DLC (he even mentions worlds walking hand in hand again WITH ELMA and she says that the encounter was part of something important) Something will truly happen in XC4 regarding this and i'm really hyped for it

@@Zerorenren4761 just like how people denied Alvis was Ontos. Anyone that played the entire Xeno series knows that Takahashi always follows up on his stories eventually. I too think there is a connection with Xenosaga at the end of Future Redeemed but Xenoblade X doesn’t seem to fit entirely. Either way that cutscene is very important because even though they only met in spirit it still confirms that on Klaus’s earth some element of multiple universes together existed pre experiment.

If Xenosaga is ever going to return it's most likely going to be just a Switch port.

This comment is a fever dream

Continuing-I think the Zohar/Conduit may interact with each universe differently since The Zohar needed relics of God to work while The Conduit did not(or at least it didn’t as far as we know) Or there are many different Zohar-like things floating out in the meta of the universes and they each have different properties

thats the problem. its not just some things, you need to change some things to make saga fit. the retcons for x to work would make it an entirely different story

@@ketchuprats8378 or monolith could retcon saga to fit with X. Like they could just reuse elements from Saga to make X or the game(s) leading to X.

@@marzappel8858 impossible. If they retcon humans destroying Earth into aliens instead then for every other Xeno game besides X will make no sense

there is a scenario where X can fit, without the need for retcons, I made the detailed post here in the comments, just look up. Or I can copy/paste here, if you prefer.

​@@ZephyrK_ There are 5 Jerusalem's in the Saga canon, it's not impossible-- you just lack the creativity of thinking or will to accept it as canon.