I believe comparison between the top 5 characters in a video game to the rest of the cast will always feel bad. It's better to put Neuvi, Furina, Nahida, Kazuha & Oppa in a seperate tier and compare other characters in the other tier for a fair comparison in meta
i didn't know neuvillette could do collision damage, that's new to me, also your sac jade neuv is doing 1.91 mil, how is you eternal tome neuv doing only 1.78 mil with collisions?
@@God_Reaper_6000 neuvi can't do collision it's a typo. 1.78M was calculated as PERSONAL DPR with hyper investment (30 sub+5 star weapon), and 1.91 M is Neuvillette + Furina DPR at KQM level of investment.
@@KillingMachine56656 ...and then yoi woke up realising all around you is very wet, as if inundated by delusions The beta is out, Arlecchino is getting buffed yes, but not at Hu Tao's level yet
For real, like she the biggest dmg buffer in the game rn, universal dmg increase so every dps with different scale stat also can utilize it, unlike Bennett who only usable in atk scale team and Kazuha with elements based team
@@lastseen9399 tbh bennett is still good cause balancing furinas dmg% and bennetts atk% makes it even better, this is why the current xiao teams are so strong, unlike neuvilette who just gets a ton of dmg% from kazuha and furina and his passive, xiao can balance atk and dmg% with high base atk and high base atk weapons, xianyuns flat atk, dmg% from furina and dmg% from his burst.
That is the wrong word tbh Shes very good for the damage increase, usually best. BUT she is Not a must have or 'needed' as other teams still work perfectly fine without her Theres a very big difference with those words
@@Cocxy69 yeah but the theoretical celing for team dpr usually includes furina, and unlike Bennett her buff is universal so you can make an argument to say she a “must pull” from a pure meta standpoint
5:13 another feature to consider here is: due to neuvi's particle generation, furina's ER requirements is gonna be lower, allowing her to run offensive weapons like her signature, jade cutter & key with a hp goblet, increasing the neuvi team dpr
@@whatever3912 didn't do any math so talking out of my arse here, but i feel like furina should get more damage out of switching to her signature than faruzan switching to a 5* bow.
Xiao, Furina, Faruzan and CR is the team I having fun now, so powerful and smooth! The fact that there is no circle impact for Xiao, it's insane and now he is a boss killer too!
Xiao supports: 2x 5 stars + one C6 4 star Neuvillette supports: teammates (optional) No, but for real, I was pleasantly surprised to see Xiao and Neuv having similar damage I initially thought it was some setup against Xiao lmao
Even as a XiaoMain myself it's pretty easy to see Xiao is not exactly as strong as Neuvillette (mostly due to comfort) But with his new team FFXX Xiao has improved so much it's crazy. He's definitely one of the best carries in the game now.
xiao's personal dpr in his bis team is higher than neuv's personal dpr in his bis team but xiao's bis full team dps is not as strong as neuv's bis full team dps.
@@brutalterminator3868 can xiao solo sustain and solo abyss, not really, neuvilette in the whole is better, they both use furina and kazuha is equivalent to faruzan in terms of value (bit less because of grouping)
@andyluan7183 r u stupid or what? Genshin is not a solo game, it's a game with 4 party members in a team. Saying neuv is better than xiao cause he does more dmg than him in solo scenarios and can self heal is plain stupid, we should always compare characters based on their team.
This argument applies only to seasoned players, not so for newer ones. For newbies, get Neuv as your main DPS and then Dendro as your 2nd team. This clears the game EZ
From all the comments on this video I learned 1 thing : Hutao and Neuvillette mains have smol c*cks and cant get the fact that character that was shit, now is one of the best and maybe even better than some of the best dps chars with the correct investment. Eather way in abyss you need 2 teams so play both characters and dont cry.
Great video as always! Another small advantage of Xiao that could also be mentioned is that in multiwave content, VV needs to be reapplied for each new wave of enemies that spawns, which can hurt Neuvillette's DPR. As for Xiao, there is no need to reset his team's setup between waves.
@@treysmith9371 ?? No. VV on xiao team only affects furina damage which is not even 20% of team whole damage so the difference beetween VV and no VV on hydro is not something that changes too much.
Just a small correction, furina does buff xiao still quite well especially with xianyun now since she heals every HP taken back in an instant and gives stacks much faster, previously he gained the max stacks at almost his last plunge so now its even at 100% HP starting off you will get her max DMG buff already close to his 6th plunge, Xianyun's own Plunge attack dmg increase aka the flat dmg buff portion which is 9000 or 18000 at c2 also benefits from Furinas DMG% aswell as any other source that affects this including crit dmg. Using Deathmatch here is sort of an poor example as that weapon is a deadweight on Xianyun teams and as much as it pains to say me Blackcliff will yield better results especially if you pair it with 4p MH or alternatively Homa + MH, the ceiling for Xiaos plunge dmg is dominated now by MH and Homa vs PJWS/VHA by NOT ALOT but its something and very noticeable on vertical scaling characters like Xiao that is as long as you care about plunge damage. Doing N1s inbetween each plunge is a dps loss in every comp, not sure if that is ur gameplay or someone elses, pls dont do this. Its good for PJWS up until 3rd Plunge to stack his PJWS and still get off 11 High Plunges but thats it. Also all these comparisons are kind of whack since Xiao is as I said a very high vertical ceiling character where Neuvilette tends to be slightly Horizontal aka he doesn't need much investment to get going like his C2 with Furina C2 is already done deal and you will go ape as Kazuha and Zhongli dont need anything Xiao on the other hand, the moment u get C2 Xianyun C2 Furina and C6 Faruzan he will yield higher output and I am talking about close to 300k Plunges if u have atleast Homa + good set for him, He is just a unit that wants now alittle bit more of a premium deluxe vs previously, where he needed a C4 Jean FSR5(LUL) to even compete at close higher tier teams which is alot more cost than any of the above. It is not needed obviously but keep in mind Xiao wants that vertical upgrades more than anyone almost in this game, since he cannot for obvious reason abuse the Elemental reaction system. Thus stack as much DMG%, Crit DMG%, ATK%, Flat DMG anything that benefits his pure Raw DMG. while maintaining 70-80% crit rate which isn't too bad on any set pieces. Also for those who plan Xianyun C2, get her C2 first instead of R1 wep.
Hey Shintenzu, fair enough for the Xiao comments ( although Neuv + healer teams still generate stacks faster I believe ) I disagree on the vertical invest thing however, while Neuvillette's team dmg contribution is not as high as Xiao's, his DPR is still incredible and so is Furina's on his teams They together basically make up for like 95% of the team damage so a c2 Furina c1r1 neuvillette combo is insanely powerful
@@TheGenshinScientist ye hence i said slightly horizontal since he has more options at less investment, his Vertical investment skyrockets with each con, where xiaos lies with xianyun/furina/faruzan (his cons fucking suck LMAO)
@@chaosinfernoid9008 Hey, I'm not Shintenzux, though I might be able to answer. I think it's not bad per se, but if you plan on using him with Xianyun, you would benefit more from a Crit Dmg weapon in my opinion. This is because an Atk% weapons will not increase/multiply Xianyun's buff, but a Crit Dmg weapon will. Just like Ayaka with Shenhe, Xiao with Xianyun really wants high Crit DMG to multiply her buff because it can crit ;) Atk% stats are applied "before" Xianyun's buff, whilst CritDMG effects are applied "after" ;) Aside from this detail, a 5 star weapon like Calamity Queller is still a good option overall. I'm sure you will be able to clear all the content regardless of your weapon anyways ;)
@@ElTestokthe thing is it now equalises out instead of one being better, like it was before. As xiao still needs high level of attack for the amount of dmg% he has, but now its xianyuns buff too so you need those other stats too
Neuvilette burgeon with Xiangling is nuts I cleared the annoying Thunder Manifestation in Abyss with only 2 charged shots while it was still doing it`s beginning animations. You just rotate anti-clockwise around it so you get way more pyronado hits
I honestly wish there was more reasons to use the powerful characters other than spiral abyss. Most of the content is trivialized by how powerful the characters are; even when generally invested in.
Bro... Genshin simply has no end game. What we have is only bare minimum to make people hyped for characters. Just look how newer players think Kazu is not needed, cause in those couple versions of last floor 12 grouping was not much needed 💀 I won't give Hoyo any money until they start treating game and players seriously and I recommend to join. The more of us, the more changes we might get.
@@-IGRIS-eh I don’t agree with that statement. Sure Xiao requires investment but if it pays out in the end Xiao should still get the credit he deserves. Plus Xiao is complete at c0 while neuvilette does get huge upgrades with constellations (both require 5 star weapons)
As a Xiao main ima take it as a W for him to even be compared to Neuvillette. I finally got my first 36 start with Xiao's new team and it was actually easy.
@@maxwu4145 guess alhaitham mains cant take the fact that there’s more characters coming for his spot. LOL. Xiao is definitely top three hypercarry now.
Since you forgetting the put standard characters on your tier lists, how about you make 1 just for them and explain their best team, what they got recently, what constellation they are worth to build etc. I would love to see that since i have no idea how are they doing with new characters
I've always liked Xiao, but I had previously skipped him every time. He felt like he wanted to be able to move around, but he was always bound by Bennett Impact. Now, I have Xianyun, Furina, and C6 Faruzan, so I finally feel comfortable wishing for him this time around. I've got a second Staff of Homa just sitting around, and plus a good Anemo goblet and three out of four pieces of a Marechaussee set. I spent this week getting his ascension mats from the Primo Geovishap, and now I just need the one more artifact and enough talent mats to take him to 10/8/8. I also would like Neuv's C1 and signature weapon, but that's going to depend more heavily on what's around him. With Arlecchino and Clorinde supposedly being right around the corner, I don't think I'll have the spare primos for the Iudex. He's already strong at C0 with a R1 Sacrificial Jade, so it's not like he feels subpar.
@@leylintempest1714 Hydro reso - its already in the game design, tho hutao can benefit to that it doesnt mean it was meant for her. Yelan - tho yelan works with hutao it doesn't mean(again) that she's made for hutao. Almost everyone can take advantage of yelan. Furina - same with yelan Xianyun - same with furina
@@jaysii9736 1. i don’t think you know this but hydro resonace was different back then pre 3.0, it was more healing but they changed it to HP% which made hu tao who runs double hydro better 2. Yelan yeah you’re point is good but farzuan was also released with wanderer and was meant for him for a year 3. Furina has a higher synergy to hu tao than most non fonatine characters cause she can substitute xingqiu in the already existing hu tao teams and also give marechausse and hu tao also helps stacking her due to her hp changing, she also deleted hu taos weakness of being under 50% hp 4. Xianyun prefers self infusing characters so hu tao is perfect, not to mention xiao and hu tao are the biggest winners from xianyun even moreso than diluc.
@@leylintempest1714 1. Once again, hydro resonance is not taylor-made for her, not to mention she's a pyro unit. She can take advantage but it doesnt mean that its was intentional to be designed for her. 2. Faruzan is pretty much a unit for him since she buffs anemo dmg and decreases enemies anemo resistance. 3. Furina can pretty much synergize to everyone but it doesnt mean that she "taylor-made" for her. 4. Xianyun buffs "plunge attacks", ring a bell? Xiao's playstyle revolves plunge attacks, so its a direct buff to xiao.
@@leylintempest1714 "furina has a higher synergy to hu tao than most fontaine characters" False, are u forgetting neuvillette and so far all fontainian units has hp manipulation mechanics that is more consistent than hu tao (press e and thats it). Also do u have data or calcs for that claim? Btw even xiao has better synergy with furina coz he consistently drain his hp everytime he plunge on his burst mode so....🤣
can´t wait for the moment we get an hydro dmg buffer. We got Gorou(Geo), Sara (Electro), Shenhe (Cryo), Faruzan (Anemo), Mika (Physical). So we are missing one for Pyro, Hydro and Dendro
I’m just happy that Xiao no longer falls behind the top tier DPS characters like Neuvillette and Alhaitham (even if it requires vertical investment). Also, I use VV on Xianyun, because Furina’s personal DPS at C2 is just absurd.
Xiao wasn't really on my radar but I picked up C6 Faruzan pulling for Xianyun and had previously picked up PJWS pulling for Engulfing Lightning. I decided the universe was trying to tell me something - just dropped a ten pull on his banner and picked up Xiao on a 50/50 with 6 pity. Can't fight fate man :)
Specific team with c6 Faru and c5 Benny vs zero high investment on other side... Yeah 'same low investment' 💀 Not even mentioning lack of considerations of weapons... Or cons, cause why not to consider everything. This video is so much biased in favour of Xiao it's crazy. But very clever, viewers don't even notice it, when it tells us Neuvi is better, etc, ehhh
@@MarionFR tbf most ppl there know that he isn't better they're just happy he's even comparable. I can say that as someone who played him since 1.3 when his best artifact set was 2 vv + 2 glad that you could only get from bosses and one of his best supports was considered sucrose... needn't to say it was really diminishing her potential. I used to think getting her c1(that gives her additional skill to generate more particles) would be the best ever upgrade for the team and look where we are now. good artifact options, more variety of supports. I just hope we will get a dedicated limited weapon (like venti and tartaglia got some time after their releases) and maybe more f2p options (blackcliff being the only one atm). constellation rework and new anemo resonance would also be great but that most likely won't happen. 4.4 was great for xiao and I can understand the excitement even if it can get over the top😊
These kinds of character comparisons are really informative, and I really prefer your style to make them. Even though I have both, I still learned a lot in a short amount of time (other videos of the same type are 3 times as long with half the information you provide). Good job! And thank you!
Hopefully there will be content someday that'll put this whole who is the better DPS argument to use... I just use Alhaitham team in 1st half and Neuv team in 2nd half and the abyss is done lol Both Xiao and Neuv are boring to play imo, but at least Neuv clears the abyss with standard supports that can be used for everyone (Furina, Kazuha, Baizhu (I use him instead of charlotte)) But XIao needs more niche supports like C6 Faruzan and Xianyun, tho I guess that's the only downside
Those are my two carries as well. I still don't have Neuvi's best team, and I need better artifacts on my Haitham, but one day... -_-" I think it's because I was never much into combat in the first place, so Neuvi's straightforward style (and being overall easier to build tbh) has made my life so much easier to progress further. (I am mostly focused on stories/lore and exploration, so that's probably why. I am still very much a newbie.)
Xiao comparing to Neuvillette now is a huge bump. He might need 2 limited 5* stars and a C6 4* star to do so but its still good to see Xiao has somehow stayed relevant. He got an artifact set in 2.6, Faruzan in 3.3, Furina in 4.2 and now Xianyun. I wish Neuvillette had 3 "tailor made" supports to play him with, but Hydro faruzan downst exist, and there not a single CA dmg buffer in the game.
Bro. Thank you for this! I've had Xiao since release and never used him because he was so underwhelming. Maybe now I can get around to using him. Your videos are always super helpful with theory crafting and understanding the numbers behind team comps.
I remember when Wanderer came out and people used to doompost him by saying that even with C6 Faruzan his damage was "just as bad as Xiao's", and theorycrafters were like... that's not a bad thing at all actually because Xiao with C6 Faruzan is honest to god a good DPS now lol. Very glad Xianyun happened for Xiao, but he was already a good DPS option ever since Faruzan released, which I think a lot of people still don't realize!
That's because their floor is still lower even with C6 Faruzan that you'd have to push for their ceiling with 5* weapon and high artifact investment. Not to mention Wanderer in particular also turned out to be very dependent on his attack speed that DPC was more impactful on him than calcs showed it to be when compared to shimenawa, 2pc sets.
@@Matthew-qt3jk Their floor was "lower" on paper yet their performance in the practice was really good because they have good aoe/range and very good multiwave consolidation through a lack of extensive setup. Xiao actually dominated low cost speedruns for a long while after faruzan released. It also depends on what you compare them to, because for example Wanderer basically didn't care at all for other 5* (until furina released, or C4 Jean). People compare him at c0r0 to a c0r0 Ayaka with kazuha, kokomi, and shenhe team, for example. When in reality if you look at the actual primogem cost, you should be comparing that team to something like a C4 wanderer, or C2R1 to be fair. So what you consider their "floor" actually varies a lot. In the case of wanderer, he didnt need more investment than other units, it's just that his investment was all in his own banner and he didn't care for other 5* units at all until furina because all the supports he wanted were 4*.
@@qwertysysysyysysysyzzthat's not true Pre Xianyun he actually had one of the fastest cleaning teams in certain content, also why he was coming top 3 in Chinese c0 speedrun even without her. Pre faruzan he wasn't trash but was just decent, but excelled at aoe multiwave clearing
@@Cocxy69 pre faruzan, his peak dmg was 50k , if u could waste wishes for zhongli then it becomes 70k per plunge, which is still damn trash, and chinese are just favored by the game, u aint reaching the same investment at them, they get 50cv artifacts on every piece because their chinese thats it, no skill just bias
I'm watching this as someone with Xianyun, C6 Faruzan, and Furina but no Anemo DPS on my account 💀 Maybe I'll go for Xiao since I also have a spare Homa 😂 Though I will probably wait for Chiori since I'm a Geo enjoyer.
I've had Xiao for a while & while I don't play him often, I do find his combat style enjoyable. Neuvillette not so much .. I didn't expect to find a less engaging combat mechanic that Ayato's but here it is. While Neuvi is an easy carry with wider team possibilities, I'd much rather play Xiao regardless of the lower damage potential. That being said this was informative & a well researched topic, keep pushing out more top notch content.
I find Neuvillette much more enjoyable than Xiao but I'm glad Xiao now has teams where he's in the same ballpark as the other top tier characters for those that do enjoy him.
Genshin is the only PVE game I know of that can look at a great unit like Xiao and say 'he's kinda bad' just because he's not AS broken as later units became.
when he was top 3 DPS in the game back in 1.6 he was still shitted on lol. even before hu Tao's release I'd say because they compared him to ganyu. I think there wasn't much hype for him even during his first banner (the er management was tough, c1 sucrose was obligatory which was really narrowing her potential, his HP decreasing was also rather a downside since he couldn't take advantage from it). and even now the community doesn't like him that much (excluding the simps) and I don't even know what's up with that lol.
@@noodle4327 I guess because Xiao takes a little skill to play. Not even that much, mind you - definitely not Tartaglia levels - but it's not just 'press attack' or 'quick swap and press one button on each person' to get his potential. He also much benefits from shields and healers due to being a self-damaging glass cannon, and genshin players have decided to hate those. Personally I've played him since 1.3 when all I had were the free four stars Mihoyo gave you at that point, and literally never had a problem with him. He was my strongest character then and he is still my hardest hitting character now.
Xiao is better theoretically, and in practice only for those willing to use more than 3 braincells when playing the game. His ceiling is higher but harder to achieve while Neuvillette's ceiling is lower but significantly easier to achieve. This means that in practice most players will be able to squeeze Neuvillette's full potential or very close to it while the same players will only be able to play Xiao at a much lower % of his strength.
😂😂😂😂 have u seen the xiao team and neuvillette team in the video?😂😂😂 do u think this 2 team is comparable?😂😂😂. In xiao team, all his teammates buff for him. In neuvillette team, i dont know why Charlotte is in his team😂😂😂. Maybe Charlotte is there because Faruzan is in xiao team😂😂😂. But the benefit is too different.
@@thongduonghiengia7168 you’re for real ignorant. Charlotte is there because she does team wide healing. Teamwide healing with Furina = higher Furina damage + higher FRONTLOADED Neuvillette DMG. Tell me another team that contributes better?
Theoretically, neuvillette being hydro doesn’t even matter here. By virtue of his passive, reactions like hyperbloom is balanced pretty well with him. DMG-wise, Neuv is still a regular hypercarry playstyle. Team DMG is almost similar with Xiao. Situationally, Neuv should be better, however, by nature of Xianyun’s raw stat buffing + Furina (Neuv only has his own cons + Furina cons to buff him up), Xiao should have a theoretical higher ceiling. @@ArtezanOnline
Thank you for actually providing numbers for people to get a better idea of the differences though surely going to 1.4m from 1m is a 40% increase. The opposite is a ~30% decrease, 28.5% to be more precise. As someone with only c3 faruzan but with a decent Xiao build and Homa, Xiao doesn't feel good to play and isn't performing as good as a bunch of other teams I have. Besides being behind in dps without c6 Faruzan the pushback and lack of grouping are huge negatives.
@@qwertysysysyysysysyzz Could be, you can check my runs to judge for yourself. I mean he is decent but there are a lot of better teams if you don't have c6 Faruzan. Which is what TGS is saying. I also just hate the pushback.
@@qwertysysysyysysysyzz Not sure what you mean but I have a top 1% Xiao in akasha and I use an optimizer... for example I cleared the first two bosses in 4.2 abyss in 1 rotation with c0 Faruzan, c0 Furina, Bennett. Perhaps you saw a vv - fav lance run.
Interesting, I never had that much of an issue playing Xiao with bennet because if I have to leave a bennet burst to kill enemies, I'm probably fighting in floor 9 or something. I feel like bennet not feeling completely bad to use in floor 12 is the same reason why my venti is never used in floor 12, most aeo chamber at that level are just too heavy and aggro
Good video, i think most of your points are fair, but you also have to consider anemo resonance doesn't really do anything, wile hydro resonance gives 25% hp, wich it's a pretty noticeable buff to Neuv Furina teams. I think they should rework the anemo resonance to be actually useful, maybe 30% crit dmg or something like that.
@@lastorderx20001 He mentioned how Furina's dmg gets a buff from having the hydro resonance, what i mean it's considering how hydro resonance gives Neuv's dpr a pretty noticeable boost but Xiao gets literally nothing. I really don't know why Hoyoverse won't buff it like they did with hydro, all resonances except anemo give teams a pretty nice free dmg increase, even the electro one, cuz more particles means you need less er so you can invest more into offensive stats. When you think about it makes no sense, i mean the only time you want to use 2 anemo characters it's when you play an anemo dps and the current resonance only works for exploration XD.
Old school Xoao main here, I quit before Faruzan existed and recently restarted. I rolled for both Nahida and Xianyun this patch while trying to get c6 Faruzan, and i ended up getting 13 Noelle, 10 Gaming, but only 5 fucking Faruzan. FML, rolling for her is brutal.
Same here, i pulled Xiao on his first banner and then I stopped playing and missed Faruzan. I played again recently and pulled on Nahida and Xianyun's banner, managed to get both Nahida and Xianyun with Faruzan only at C1.
LMAOOOOO i got about 9 noelle, 2 faruzan and 1 gaming but i had C4 before and i am also one who barely ever plays and also quit for a really long time in between now i think am gonna take another 1 break or quit for good when wuthering waves comes out
Last time the community batchested a character so hard that they fell out of meta never to be seen again. I'm talking about everyones fav dps queen ganyu.
Good video, but since you have used C6 Faruzan in your calculations, I wish you had also considered constellations for the 5*. Unless somebody rolled on multiple past Faruzan banners that are not Wanderer (since getting both Wanderer and Xiao does not seem the greatest idea), it is very unlikely to have her at C6 with C0 5* characters. Once you start adding 5* weapons and constellations, Neuv gets quite far ahead.
For real... comparison was biased and unfair. Consider low investment as well - funny how both got BP weapons... Now give r5 Prototype Amber to Neuvi and for Xiao... uhh... yeah. Results will be interesting. Many factors were not taken into account really, that would make this comparison much different, better for Neuvi, worse for Xiao, simply closer to truth.
Yea xiao got nice improvements however nothing beats the spin 2 win in aoe literally nothing. The only thing that can beat spin 2 win is a bigger spin 2 win char that have better dmg than neuv.
i'd love dps comparision considering their signature weapons and also i feel like it is ideal to run 4pc vv on xianyun imo cause 20% atk for xiao isn't that big of a deal considering most ppl will run ttds on xianyun so i feel like vv might be better.
@@brutalterminator3868 I did calc their dmg for sig weapins in the vid. they mostly get similar increases from those compared to their r1 bp weapons, although Neuvillette gets a tad bit more ( also Homa is better than pjsw now for Xiao because of Marechaussee )
Oddly, I went to Abyss with this new Xiao team and compared to his previous double geo with Zhongli, Albedo and Faruzan, and got similar results in clear time.
The translation from damage to clear time just isn’t linear in genshin. If you have 2 teams and your investment level for both is at a point where you’ll have to 1.5 or 2-rotate a chamber, then that’s just what you will do for both, which will naturally result in similar times. Its just that one team will be able to 1-cycle at a certain (higher) investment, which would cut down on clear times drastically, while the other never will.
@@georgezhang1573 The shield is just for safety measures, and although Xiao gets a red HP by the end, he's mostly safe: the shield rarely gets broken 'cause I still passively dodge attacks with clever timing, iFraming and positioning, so I don't get hit much and still clear floors in around 60s. The only exception so far is against Consecrated Beasts: they can one-shot my shield and leave very little windows for dodging, so I prefer to deal with them using a Raiden team and many iFrames from using long Q animations as much as possible.
not really a xaio main but his teams at least are 5x more fun to play than neuvillete teams, honestly haven't played him since like the second week he came out lmao
I wonder how Nilou bloom compares to these two in AoE? My decently built bloom team obliterates the first half of the current abyss in a bit over 30 secs.
If Xiao team didnt need a 6* char. (faruzan) - It would be good. I have Xianyun but I have no plans to draw for xiao. I would rather go for Chiori+Gorou - at least their support will be in the same banner 😅 if not no thx as well. My faruzan is c3 atm. May be next year 😅
been struggling to c6 Faruzahn since patch began, started at c3, and shes still only c5. Got 2 Gaming, C1 Xianyun, another Jean, and 20+ Noelles. Farming up gems is time consuming and even if i 100% chenvale, still not even a 10 pull. Crazy how ppl compare exploration gems to HSR mandatory 10 pulls. Exploration to farm up gems is the most pitful cope ive ever done. Opening hundreds of chest for not even a 10 pull. and the Spirit carp system only gives 2. Yes 2 limited pulls. Saying the 3 4*s on banners have an equal 33.3% to drop is an actual lie. Its no coincedence new 4*s are always hard to pull, and 4*s that need their c6 alot, are conveniently infamously hard to c6.
Lol Nuvi doesn't need teammates and can finish abyss in solo mode. Xiao needs premium team just to get a strong damage. So much primos wasted for such character support
and xiao, alhaitham , and hutao are all better than him in full team dmg comparison so what, neuv is just for those losers with skill issues and cant play proper rotations
@@MarionFRthe same guy made a video on Neuvillette being impossible to powercreep, yeah biased to Xiao lmao. You are the one who is coping because your favourite character actually got a competition
@Cocxy69 doesn't matter, nilou's low investment team is enough to clear this baby as game. A clear is a clear, I don't see a leaderboard or extra rewards
Make as an “episodes;” in your channel; for more content. 👍 Ideas: Cyno VS Al-Haitham. Diluc VS Gaming. Cyno VS Raiden. Cyno VS Xiao. Wrio C1 VS Hu Tao C1. Wrio VS Ayaka. Ganyu VS Ayaka Arlecchino VS Neuvillette (future). Arlecchino VS Gaming, Diluc, Lyeny, and Hu Tao (Future)
if you wondering xiao is an elite player or p2w unit only you might try him with favonius and MH set energy and crit rate problem solved (tho its 5k-8k dmg difference per plunge lower than vermillion) but he still deliver very solid number
@jaysii9736 I mean to say that he still doesn't have a limited 5 star weapon so that's the only way to further buff him apart from obviously powercreeping the supports which won't happen any time soon.
@@bromegaman5962 not really imo, tho xiao can take advantage of homa but in majority of his teams, he is always above 50% hp so he cant take advantage of homa's passive and even if he fall below 50% most of his team has healers, its more like a stat stick i would say.
@@jaysii9736 Homa is still better far better than his signature weapon. They won't give him a different signature because he is like Ganyu with the Amos bow. We can only hope for a different character's signature to work for him, but at the moment it's Homa.
There’s no comparison. Neuvi puts out much higher potential dps than Xiao, even in single target. And ofc Neuvi in mob waves or anything not single target stomps Xiao even harder.
There is a comparison, your takes mean nothing compared to a theory crafters actual numbers. At equal investment, xiao can deal higher dpr than neuvillete but you need c6 faruzan. That’s why it’s comparable and In general neuvillete is better
@@ednatopg3074 except these aren’t “actual numbers”, even the teams are wrong. The assumed liquid subs are wrong as well. Literally the ENTIRE thing is objectively incorrect lmfao.
AOE huh, well atleast Neuvillette Dosen't have to Run towards far enemies during his DMG windows like Xiao results DPS loss. and Xiao is Q focused unit so there are DPS loss windows too i.e. "inconsistency".
These are assuming their best teams. Xiao’s best teams are triple anemo and those units generate high particles. Xianyun alone generates 5. So this burst inconsistency isn’t as bad anymore. While yes, running around is bad, but Xiao is actually one of the heroes that runs around less than other hypercarries before Neuvillette (except when the enemies are small).
No shit, this exact thing was said in the video. Though, the Q focused thing is a hilarious non-existent issue. Xianyun's addition has almost completely eliminated ER requirements for him. They are both consistent, but Neuv is moreso. He is more comfy/easier to play too. Easier to build with more team variety etc. Less premium. But at the end of the day they aren't far apart in damage.
You don't really run in most cases tho just jump foward and plunge lol, most works. That problems is real on characters like Childe or Alhaitham, but on Xiao it's not really a problem.
How well does nilou compare to them in aoe? Yes shes restricted in terms of teams and pretty much non functional without nahida, in her proper team she is definitely amazing
Unfortunately i dont think any tc can give a theoretical answer to that cuz almost everyone absolutely despises calcing Nilou teams because its very hard to determine who does the blooms. So the only goos way to gauge how good they are compared to neuvilette and xiao teams is with practical scenarios. From my experience, there are situations where nilou teams can clear significantly faster than any other team but there are also times where it clears as fast as neuvilette/xiao teams. So overall, I'd say they are on par.
Never pulling for Xiao. My Neuvillette needs only a moderately well built Neuvillette to do well… I do have Furina as support for him and Kazuha. I’m good 😊
I don’t have Xiao but I do have Neuvillette who is a monster even at c0. I got Raiden’s C2 and she is amazing with national, but I tell you what, as soon as I built my c6 chev and put her with Raiden, she surpassed my neuvillette teams. Neuvillette and xiao do a lot of personal dps and I think a big part of that is the field time they require, but with the right teams, Raiden is still very much in the top meta in my eyes with the damage+team er+ interruption resistance and SUPER easy rotations. Seems like a lot of people claim she is no longer top meta but I feel like she is. Very interesting that Xiao is now at the top with new supports. I don’t care much for his play style so I don’t think I’ll pull for him.
My main issue with c0 raiden has always been her personal damage. It truly feels like her c2 dmg should've been at her base kit. Her support capabilities and er gen is really good but her hypercarry team always felt too sweaty. No matter how much investment I put, it always felt like I need that c2 to be even comparable to my other dps characters at c0. My fav raiden team right now is quickbloom at c0 where I basically use her in cyno's best team with furina, nahida and baizhu.
you having c2 skews your pov, for c0 shes just better at national and her hypercarry teams at c0 just dont compare to the meta teams. shes the best hyperbloom bot tho, if u have a healer, she triggers it more than kuki
Yeah this is exactly why we don’t listen to RU-vidrs for calcs or anything lol bc in what fucking world does neuvis best ST use CHARLOTTE and only do 1.7 mil dpr lmfao. What a joke of a “scientist”
@@leylintempest1714 you didn’t watch the video or? Go look at his infographic for the Hyper ST Neuvi team lmfao it’s Neuvi Furina Kaz Char at only 1.78 million dpr. The ENTIRE thing is wildly inaccurate.
I always complained that xiao was so restrictive because of his skill not generating energy in ult, hp loss and anemo but I’m happy that he’s gotten buff to a pout where he can compete but neuvillete would still win because of his raw dps plus his insane atk speed and having reactions But I wonder who would win since ganyu vs xiao now because ganyu was previously stronger than xiao because of his restriction in the past but now I think it’s closer now
That comparison is overdone tbh. Other than the typing itself, xiao and wanderer don't have much in common. They mostly excel at different things ( although I do prefer Xiao as of now )
Tbh. Xianyun has skyrocketed C0 Xiao's single target dmg and if you have at least C0 R1 Xianyun along with Furina and C6 Faruzan, Xiao will definitely feel better at C0 than Wanderer.
but you have forgot to mention that neuvillete require a premium weapon that could only be obtained from the pass , which is quite a hard requirement , can you please compare them using prototype amber or another F2P accessible weapon ? thank you for your amazing videos
I think he was comparing them both on BP weapons. It looked like he was running Deathmatch on Xiao and Sac Jade on Neuvi. Unless you mean, F2P weapons on both, which would be... interesting. I run my Neuvi with pamber, and have been very grateful that it's craftable. I am not sure which of the craftable polearms - if any - would be the best for Xiao... my guess is the ER one?
I don't have him. LOL - But I guessed that Favonius would be the best choice. It seems to be the best choice on everyone honestly. LOL Unfortunately, I am a relatively new player, so I have a couple of characters sharing one atm. :) I was mostly responding to the OP's comment about comparing F2P options. I did catch that they mentioned Favonius, but my guess about why they didn't do an exact comparison was that the F2P options were different in terms of gacha-still-but-easier vs a craftable (thankfully - pending availability of billets).@@lastorderx20001
She is not a carry tho😭she unlocks a niche strong potential team. Her team is strong definitely relevant in the meta but simply can't be considered as a carry
Can u compare team dps between Xianyun/c6 faruzan/furina/c5 bennett (what is her best set for Sig/LP/Sky.Atlas ?) Xiao/c6 faruzan/furina/c5 bennett Xiao/c6 bennett/furina/xianyun (vape Xiao) Xiao/c6 faruzan/furina/xianyun = 70.4k dps (1.76M DPR/25 sec.)
