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Would love to hear your take on Xianyun's C1 and C2 putting her in great--I haven't really seen anything on her cons. Thanks so much for this list! Extremely helpful.
Her c1 is kinda like baizhu's one, just used for enery generation. Anda her c2 is a quite big dmg increase for the plunge attacks your teammate makes@@georgemacdonald8667
Not only that, with sacrificial bow u can use ur skill like Three times with huge ER regeneration and extra damage and hydro application, so ur artifacts only need HP and Crit. It's definitely a big W constellation
@@miscellaneous7777 You don't "need" anything in genshin, but we still get like 80 wishes /patch, even more with welkin. With yelan C1 all my mobility needs are covered and 3 can bring 3 characters I like (and I like yelan too). Yes, for those who don't like yelan or don't want to spend wishes on a con, they have other options. I'll try to get xy C1 for the same reason as c1 yelan.
@@leblancattire5951 Older units become less attractive pull. Nuvilette powercrept ayato so much as hydro dps that it's unlikely many will pul ayato from so on.
Keep in mind that this tierlist talks about how good each constellation is as increases over the C0 character, NOT how good each character is relative to each other at C2. For example, C2 Raiden is a bigger increase over C0 Raiden than C2 Alhaitham is over C0 Alhaitham, but that does not make Raiden a better carry than Alhaitham at C2.
I think if you use baizhu, that c1 makes a pretty big difference, especially for energy, and the c2 ends up doing a lot more for application than i thought. if hes the only dendro on the team those cons make a world of difference. i would personally put him higher but that really the only thing i disagree with on this list overall
i agree. baizhu is one of my favorite characters, and getting his c1 was a happy accident on his debut banner (i was struggling to pull kaveh LOL). i'm able to run 130 er on him and burst on cooldown. it makes a drastic difference for energy regen and dendro application. i find it's a very valuable and comfortable constellation
I feel like the disclaimer about not ranking the characters resulting power at c2 but rather the c1-c2 itself went out the window a little with Nuev and Raiden.
@@itz_andi9691 The C6 part was true in 2.1, when Raiden came out. Ever since Sumeru came out they started putting great early constellations on every character, if you notice except klee the carries in the same tier as Raiden all came out after her
List is great but you have Raiden fatique. No way that a 41% damage increase with her C2 isn't in Top tier. It's more damage than almost any other constellation listed.
I probably would have bumped Yelan up a tier. Large damage increase, application increase and qol increase feels a lot better than the others in the tier.
@@napkinx4341 if you need money to make a character good in any way shape or form to do some acceptable damage. That character isn't good. Also hyperbloom raiden is miles better.
I guess we are in the weird world where kazuha is more valuable as a grouper than because of reactions. He C2 is a game changer for a lot of traditional reaction teams.
@@_mako that is just failed information, the reason people use Kazuha over Venti is because of his ability to buff %DMG, not the grouping, if all you need is grouping Venti is just the best
i disagree about nahida c2 should be put in broken tier, especially that the buff applies to every dendro team and all the team not just own self dmg like the other archon c2 ... apart from that i agree with everything. however i insist that nahida should be broken tier ...
@hallyuniverse I think Nahida C2 is broken if you run Alhaitham quickbloom with Nahida. Her C2 gives him a bigger damage boost than his own constellations
Three reasons why I dislike this video- 1) yes furina C2 is better than nahida C2 but that doesn't mean nahida C2 isn't broken (nahida C2 broken tier) 2) I know raiden is not as great as it used to be but putting her C2 below Nilou is not cool ,yes Nilou bloom is the top meta team but that doesn't change the fact that she is super niche whereas raiden is highly versatile (put raiden above Nilou) 3) people don't get hu Tao C1 because it's a big damage increase they get because it's comfy, damage increase is just a part of it ,the same reason why people get child C1 it just makes using him comfy ( Put child in very good C1) . Except for these I completely agree with your tier list.👍
Some changes I would have made here is moving Nahida directly to Furina into "Broken", because her c2 is. She fundamentally changes how transformative reactions work by literally making them crit, which works in Hyperbloom, Nolou Bloom, and Burgeon. But not only that, it lowers enemies defence when hit by Quicken based reactions. Which increases EVERYONE'S damage. As opposed to just her own. And naturally, neither of these scenario's are mutually exlusive from each other. I would also argue Ganyu should be in "Nice" rather than Niche, because there is nothing "Niche" about just having a straight up damage increase by way of reducing resistances. I would also move Ayaka up just because of the scale in increased damage her c2 can provide. Baizhu should probably need to be moved up as a straight up increase to overall healing and dendro application shouldn't be underestimated, especially in context of the teams he is typically played in.
C2 Nahida is good at everyteam which need dendro reaction while C2 Furina increases everyteam's dmg, every dps's dmg. Not to mention that some players who don't even use dendro reaction won't pull for her tho so yeah i don't think C2 Nahida is even closed to C2 Furina
Nahida C1 is just incomparable to Furina's, that's why they can never be on the same tier. And for C2 both of them are on par for increasing the entire team's damage, but let's not forget that furina HP gets insanely high which can make her tank the highest damage in the game.
"This video isn't about how good each 5 star at contellation 2" "Proceeds to do exactly that" Neuvilette - "he doesn't need it that much but still a good damage increase in general" - S tier. Raiden - "constellation 2 is immensely good in terms of relative damage increase" - A tier. Ayaka - "whicn can be a lot more damage if connects" - D tier. Yelan - "makes her to apply more hydro" (remark: makes her a proper XQ replacement in every teams except one) - still A tier. etc. Not biased at all. This neuvilette shilling fiesta isn't fun anymore. Unsubscribed.
In most fights of playing with Kazuha, you can swirl an added element and gain the 3 stacks anyway. C1 imo is more of a comfort constellation, just a really really good one as you won't then need a shielder.
@@icekyuuthat's pretty situational, you can't get another draconic stacks when fighting enemies w non elemental aura/attacks (ruin mobs/bosses like pma)
Thank you thank u so much . I really need this video. Bro I can't thank u enough. Man I was thinking of pulling for constellations . In near future Thank u so much ❤❤
I would rate Yelan's constellations top tier just because of overworld exploration utility with C1, saves so much time on the long run and makes the game less annoying on daily tasks. I do agree with the all the rest
To be fair though, you can run C0 Yelan + C0 Wanderer and essentially be fine for all extended traversal except maybe across Sumeru's desert, where you can add Sayu or Kirara, and then you have no downtime.
I just wanted to keep the higher tiers very small. Also Neuvillette's relative dmg increase is higher compared to raidens. Their consts have similar dmg % impact, but in Neuvillette's case it's increasing dmg that's already above 1 million consistently, while raidens c0 dmg is much below that. Overall I just felt like having Neuvillette as the only carry in the higher tiers.
Its never been that much better than other new options. People just view raiden in a 2.X lense where she was mostly the only good carry released after ayaka. 3.X and 4.X have brought a lot of very strong on fielders who all have good c1 and c2s which together beat out raidens C2.
@@TheGenshinScientist I do understand where you are coming from but then this no longer feels objective. If the goal (and how I feel you addressed all the other characters) is to flatly look at how big an improvement a character's c2 is over their c0, i.e. in a vacuum outside of variables like the current meta, than Raiden is absolutely still broken. Ultimately it doesn't matter, everyone should just play whomever makes them happy, it just felt like Raiden was being looked at under certain criteria that other characters weren't. Incidentally I'd agree with everything else in the video.
@@Corve Bruh C2 raiden is straight up worse than some C0 carries. In a vaccum it might be good, but when you look at the other carries, you realize that they gain more with "worse" constellations, because their initial number was much higher to begin with.
Thanks man, love to see that my 5 favourite characters: Furina, Neuvi, Nahida, Nilou, and my one and only best boy Wanderer all have great-to-broken cons. That said, the biggest winner of the night was my lady, who was VERY happy to hear about Klee's ranking and her awesome C2. A Klee main to the end.
Kazuha deserve that broken tier tbh given that only mono/freeze cant benefit that c2 and literally everyone does, if its not “versatile enough” then no one else is (aside Furina).
I have to say, I didagree about C1 Itto. Starting your burst with full stacks and not having to spend 2~3s stacking it is a huge QoL to me. I feel like it is about the same as C1 Hu Tao is to C0 but people underestimate Itto a lot. Getting his C1 (no sig) improved my clear times by a lot and I often have a lot of extre time in Abyss now, which is helpful if the other side is struggling. Itto mono geo is often one of the teams I bring if I want a quick clear, only behind Alhaitham (C1R1) and Neuvillette (C1R1) for me.
Was recently debating again if I wanna go for Kazuha's C2 for my Childe team, this might have helped me decide to tread very carefully on that. There's just so many teams where it's not that significant... Unfortunate.
This is my crossroads as well. I play international tons so it would be a nice increase for my favorite characters best team but I've minmaxed quite a bit and I don't really find the team lacking anywhere. Plus I would probably have to alter Xiangling's build again since she has an EM sands and my Benny runs instructors.
While on paper it might not seem so amazing but sometimes it can be difficult to fit in that EM that you need. Kazuha c2 is just very very good in the International team. Xiangling will snapshot the EM buff and Childe will get the 200 EM for his burst as Childe normally does not want to invest EM into his stats. Xiangling is also very stat greedy. She wants ER, EM, crit rate, crit damage, and attack % in her stats. This makes Xiangling much easier to gear. Kazuha c2 is often the biggest upgrade you can give the team over something like a 5 star weapon. It is also significant in aggravate teams. Your Keqing or Yae will hit significantly harder when they are on the field. Anyway the constellations listed as great would all be considered broken a few patches ago until Furina showed up. I mean is a 42% increase in damage from Raiden not insane for a constellation? It is just that her base form is not strong from a damage perspective. Meanwhile Neuvillette c2 is nothing amazing. It is just some crit damage. It is 6 or 7 crit damage rolls on an artifact. It is just that the base character is so powerful but it is not a big difference from c1 Neuvillette.
tbh his c2 isnt that good. first of all, there are only 2 teams in the game that appreciate his em buff (international, keqing aggravate and rarely hu tao ayaka melt) secondly, his burst animation is too long (~2s) its considered dmg loss in many teams using bennett. moreover, together with his c1, he usually takes ~4s to do his stuffs which means shorter bennett buff for the on-fielder. so yeah thats why i think its doesnt worth ur primos
@@AzureDrag0n1 Thanks a lot for your thoughts! I actually really like Keqing (though she's still at C0 🥲) so yeah that could be a team he fits in at C2. Will think about it some more and also see how Arlecchino etc. turn out before I decide :)
Amazing video as always, was surprised i wasnt subscribed a lot earlier, yours literally my go to creator for anything tc related, you got my sub and my support ❤️‼️
Just when I was searching for a 5 star cons tier list Someone finally released one 😂 I was confused whether or not should I get Nahida C2 or save and get C0 Chiori and C1 Neuvillette.
@@FilledCircle Yeah. After playing for 3 years I want to get some limited 5 star cons. I want to push a character to their limit as far as I can as a f2p. Building new characters is always a hassle than fun specially when you don’t have the weekly boss mats and have been building some other characters. At this point I want to improve some of my characters like Furina and Neuvillette.
@@FilledCircle I think yes and no. Especially when it comes to onfield DPS you don't have to Pull every character, just the ones you like and enjoy, these require a lot of investment, you only have one onfield DPS spot per team and new ones often come along. For Support/SubDPS just pull them, they are like puzzle pieces that help you build new teams with the characters you have fun with
@@jcp5302Yeah, but being able to face tank everything is a lot more fun than just more damage. This is why I'll always say c1>r1 for Neuvillette despite it being a slightly less dmg increase on paper.
@@voii0777 It really doesn’t even matter since Neuvillette clears everything at C0R0 on pretty much any team he can be in. If anything, getting Furina and up to her C2 would be better for Neuvillette and your whole account in general.
The value of those cons diminishes if you are capable of building ER to hit requirements without them, a casual might accidentally get a lot bigger boost from them if they werent bursting every rotation before getting the cons.
This is a really useful video, i never normally pull for 5 star cons because i like getting new characters but i have so many these days that im starting to consider getting cons for my faves
"i won't judge these based on how good the character is just on the power of the constellation" also TGS: "raiden isn't broken anymore so 2 spots from broken" (despite a 41% increase)
Because it's not just about the % dmg increase, thats just the summary I used. She's in the same tier as carries that already have high end carry type damage at c0 ( wanderer, lyney ), so even a %dmg increase that's technically lower, can have just as much impact since their base dmg is higher In the same way that's the reason Neuvillette's consts outscale other carries to me
idk how long ago that happened but if you contact cs fast enough there is a chance you may actually get your weapons back after explaining the situation. i have a friend who once deleted all the five star weapons in rage and still got them back
About Kazuha: his C1 might not be broken, but it's extremely FUN. Something about doing another E after his burst is just so satisfying. It's also nice for exploration. And his C2 is strong, but it means playing Circle Impact like Benny's burst.
Nahida constellation not being broken is Laughable. The amount of damage it can do is out of this world. Blooms critting and an additional def shred? Take my money
@@heisenburger16 What do you mean her C1 is Ass? It's literally very good. Don't forget her burst gives the on field character a lot of em. Her C1 makes the duration of the burst longer. It also affects her E skill, its damage increases by a certain percentage and increases its hit rate.
If you actually look at the numbers it's not nearly as impressive as Furina's. The bloom crits and additional def shred are mutually exclusive, so you're getting at most around a 20% increase in team damage. Compare that to Furina's, which is almost 20% team damage and 50% personal damage.
I definitely need C1Yelan, her equipped with sacrificial bow makes ER regeneration and Hydro application so much better and artifacts only need HP and Crits
I personally would have great interest in a C1-centric tier list, because I'm of the mind to not chase five-star constellations, but the easing of attacking and party composition provided by Neuvillette's C1 is _tempting._ Since I largely ignore the Spiral Abyss, it's utility that I focus on.
I needed this SO badly...Ive been playing long enough I have questions like should I pull Nahida C1 or Cloud Retainer or Raiden C1...what Im saying is I never went for Cons before BUT NOW I have almost all the five stars and basically all the ones I want outside of maybe one or two
Disagree on Zhongli. My friend just goes for more constellations on the characters he likes as opposed to getting more characters. So he had Zhongli C2. Since he's the only person I play with, I decided to get the C2 as well so he wouldn't feel HE needed to play Zhongli each time. Maybe not the best reason in the world to pick up 2 copies of a 5 star but it seemed fair to me. Being able to put down an extra pillar (c1) and get an extra shield (c2) is actually massively useful. The pillar is more for teams with another geo character. Way back in the day, I used to use zhongli, albedo, venti (dps version), kazuha as a team for dungeons. Drop a pillar, drop albedo's construct, click the key, hold the pillar on the other side of albedo's construct, knock them up with kazuha and then run back to venti them. Obviously I have better teams but I did have fun with that one. As for the extra shield you get from the ult, I have never found that more useful than when people were whining that you cannot shield through coppelia/coppelius in the spiral abyss. Just keep doing your dps when they hit you with one slash from the sideline and then switch back to zhongli and through the other with his burst and have a nice shield and be ready to go for the next go-around.
Very good idea . If I had to give you my 2 cents, I would say that is kind of "niche" that the niche tier is actually not niche at all, since it represents the majority 🤣. Maybe you could have been a bit more straightforward with your opinions. Anyway, i follow you since your early days and you never fail to deliver. Good job 🎉
Not sure if you specified this tier list is tied to usefulness in the abyss. Some of those constellations with low ratings that help with cooldowns, E charges and energy help make our favourite characters more playable in the overworld.
Can we please get a tier list of actual power for c6 characters? I am mainly thinking getting a c6 since I have some of the early constellations already and can clear abyss easily
I got C1 Baizhu. and of course I have C6 Bennett. I absolutely do not need to get any other healers anymore. Saves me a lot of primogems to get DPS characters I want.
Since Raiden C2 is such a massive sticking point with people I'll through my 2 cents out there. Her C2 enables Raiden to be played like a Hypercarry. Pre-C2 she's really just above average, DPS-wise. And while that is great for Raiden's personal damage I wouldn't rank that as the same tier as the top 3. Because going down the list; Furina's constellations literally turns her into the undisputed best support in the game. That's universal across all teams. Nahida's C2 is massive buff to all dendro teams and makes her a requisite in almost all the best dendro-reaction teams to hit their damage ceiling. Neuvilette's C1 completely reworks the way his team comp works allowing him to hit his highest damage ceiling easier and gives him infinite interruption resistance. In addition to his C2 giving him a crap ton of Crit Damage bonus.
No major disagreement except Zhongli. His C2 is at least niche as it allows you to bypass all pillars. You can also then build him for burst damage so it's not always a DPS loss plus you get the best shield in the game. Imo i would put it in Nice, but Niche is understandable. Definitely not Albedo level tho.
I would categorize them according to their value to the team dps and each constellation should on average increase 20% dps. Of course, C1 Hu Tao/Neuviellette/Yelan can achieve the best C1 to invest, but there are other characters with subpar C1 and broken C2 managed to achieve best cumulative investments like with Raiden, Furina, and also Yelan.
@@TheGenshinScientistit should have been in his kit not consolation locked, they did him pretty dirty that he is one of the strongest cc in the game but cant suck big enemies, otherwise if he was able to, he will still be one of the strongest characters just like how he was broken before.
Nah bro Neuvillete's Cons just aren't worth it, he is already Gojo Satoru at C0. C1 needed for furina buff but for c2 He should have been at hutao's tier 60% Def shred is certainly Broken in a game when all enemy got Def
I agree. Neuvi is just a good character, his c2 is the same as Lyneys. The character is top tier, not the constellation. Which he said at the beginning it’s not about the character it’s the constellation itself. If raidens c2 was on neuvi, he’d be in Broken tier. Her c2 is Yaes c6, it’s that good. Similar to Furinas c2 being her old c6. Neuvi and raiden is the only thing I disagree with in this video.
@@YTusernam3Yeah I can understand Raiden not being in broken with Furina’s C1 and C2 both being broken(and Raiden’s C1 not being that amazing) but I think she should at least be in top tier or at least make a good C2 tier for her. Neuvillette should also be in good C1 tier since his C2 is isn’t that great of a constellation and on any other carry TGS would’ve just put them in great at most.
@@jcp5302 in a comment below he said, and I’m paraphrasing - Neuvi’s c2 even tho the damage gained is lower, he does more dmg at a base so his that makes the constellation better (than raidens c2). Which goes against the point of the video but it is what it is 🤷♂️. Both are good cons regardless
@@Marz333 this seems to be the popular opinion. So would you agree that he should be in the same tier as Hu Tao, that they both have really good c1’s? Or do you think Top tier because of his c2?
That's the only Tier list I've been looking for. I've always wondered what characters are best to upgraed to C1~C2, and which ones would be a waste of primogems. I would think Yelan was "Top tier", considering it allows her to replace Xinqiu.
I just personally feel like nahida's c2 holds more value than c2 furina tbh cause nahida's c2 literally makes meh dendro reactions like burgeon very viable n enable new gamplays !!! And i think farina is replicable in many of her teams but in any dendro team nahida is a staple n thus her c2 holds more value overall cause u can replace a character like farina but cant never replace nahida frm a team cause she is the embodiment of the element denro itself n any future dendro teams will need her period!
If you don't play dendro Nahida is useless while Furina can be slotted into almost any team in the game. Nahida may be marginally stronger but way more niche
Not any teams are dendro teams, first. Furina buffs team damage and becomes low dependant on healers. If it's tough to argue that C0 Furina is best pick in any team, C2 Furina is without a doubt the strongest support in the game.
@@AsunaSniper420 ya i agree that nahida is niche but let's be real her theres a lot of reactions n teams based on many of the reactions in dendro category.. i agree that furina is more universal but tbh nahida is flexible enough like being more flexible than nahida is kinda over capin..
@@Neotridagger tbh no one is talking about c1 here.. c2 can't be obtained without c1 so let's just ditch that argument n see c2 ans a combination of both c1 n c2 .. n ya still nahida is broken at c2
I heard Cyno`s C2 competes with C2 Raiden, and that C2 Baizhu is basically Nahida replacement, is all that misinformation? And also the ranking C1 and C2 could have been separate, for example you could put C2 Neuvilette in Nice, but his C1 is Top tier
A c0 Nahida replacement, maybe. Not a c2 Nahida replacement. For c2 Baizhu vs c0 Nahida, you trade Nahida's AoE application for better multi-wave application and Nahida's personal damage for healing. But they both can fill the dendro applier slot if dendro app is what you are mainly after.
Cynos c2 is comparable to raidens because he benefits from dmg% more so than other dps so it’s a similar damage upgrade for them both but raidens is probably more raw dmg since cynos c2 mostly benefits his aggravate dmg
I have both Raiden and Cyno at C2 and imo Raiden's is better. It transforms her to become a great DPS, i.e. she can be used in more teams as the carry. Cyno is already great at C0 and doesn't need C2 at all, it's just incremental damage he doesn't need and doesn't change his gameplay or his teams in anyway.
I can't agree this guy tells wriothesley c1 is not broken,he doesn't know about the game itself, it gives around 70percent more damage also it gives quality of life to its maximum increasing skill duration by 4 sec also hp drains mechanism very well
His C1 is really good. By the ranking him niche, he clearly shows that he doesn't have Itto C1. The constellation is like Hu Tao C1 and everyone know how powerful that is.
Itto C1 is really good. By the ranking him niche, he clearly shows that he doesn't have Itto C1. The constellation is like Hu Tao C1 and everyone know how powerful that is.
In my opinion never pull for constellations based on DMG increase, Genshin is an extremely easy game and C0 5stars are more than enough to easily clear everything. Instead, focus on constellations that provide utility, quality of life and gameplay improvement. Constellations that I am glad having pulled for are Wriothesley's C1, Itto's C1 and Hu Tao's C1 because they make using the character more fun.
heyho...i really like this content...i would probl like to see a ranking of all constellation for each 5* but i thk thats a lot of work n some of ur content alredy does it. with all dat said...maybe its just me but the background music was irritating my ears 😢it was not loud enuf/low to the point where it was getting annoying while u were talking. other than that keep up with the good work. atm ur my number 1 go to for genshin content 😄
Then hows wriothesley as good as kazuha and yelan if you think I did that? I just reserved higher spots for broken constellations on units that are devastating meta wise, which increases the value of the const itself
@@TheGenshinScientistif you're talking about base c0 to c2 then yeah. I thought from the previous video comment section, this tier list will be like that. Also, saying a constellation is niche is very weird. That character will use it and shouldn't have a separate category. That's the reason why you fill the niche category more than the other.
People(not TGS)really seem to misunderstand Nahida c2 and how it works all I see is misinformation about it. Cmon it’s at least on par with furina c2. Obviously she only works in dendro teams but isn’t dendro meta af already? Furina has her own restrictions as well so I’d say they’re equally great in strength
Where's the misinformation? You have to realize Nahida's C2 effects don't stack on top of each other. Each damage instance either gets buffed by having the 20% chance to crit, or it gets buffed by the DEF shred. That means you're getting at most a 20% team damage increase with her C2.
I dont like Ayaka's playstyle that much but keep in mind that with c2 she has enough cryo app to allow some forward melt things with characters like Diluc and Hu tao
While you could say cons of Furina/Nahida/Raiden one the best but for me, they fall low in comparison to Yelan's and bring nothing to table expect few sec faster clear end game content Abyss. Which is perfectly very much doable with even C0. I can't imagine to play genshin without Yelan anymore, especially her C1 is so much overall boost (Every cons of hers are best)... Like how much she makes exploration, domains and dailys so easy and fast, who just login to commission... It's insane.
Hutao C1 is very comfortable, and Ganyu C6 feels like a complete character from A FPS Hero shooter. Nahidas C2 is a str8 damage boost like Raidens one, those ones are kinda eh.
I do feel raiden’s c2 should be at least same tier as neuvilette. 60% def ignore is quite a valuable early con given how it’s up to par with some characters c6. Great video tho❤
Might be a hot take but i genuinely believe nahida C2 to better than furina C2, being able to crit blooms + shredding defense as long as there's a dendro and electro in the team is just that strong imo
It's still just 20% dmg increase for dendro related teams. Furina has more teams and the % increase from her c2 might be higher, and she has objectively better c1
Nahida c2 is overrated tho, also its only for dendro, Furina is for everyone even dendro, teams like Alhaitham quickbloom and Tighnari quickbloom becomes a lot better even with c2 furina