Xu Xiaodong MMA Should Challenge This Type of Kungfu - A Shuai Jiao Match Explored 

I thought Xu Xiaodong was on a mission to expose bullshit ways of training, not to challenge "kung fu". "Kung fu" is an extremely broad term; it means martial art in Chinese, so it can refer to anything between dim-mak mystical BS and full-contact san shou. So it would be pointless for him to challenge shuai jiao since the training is almost the same as Judo, which does very well in MMA.

Fight Commentary Breakdowns i dont think this should test mma or you should both wear the gi, they grab the gi.

Have you seen the "king of Shuai Jiao"? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SgPzk85BYIg.html

@@ericrolson it says that he wants the world to stop eating up all the fake kung fu. These fake masters are destroying the legitimacy of an ancient tradition. They are like all the stolen valor people in america, cheapening something good for personal aggrandizement. He does good work.

@@ericrolson dont work why none of them are in ufc.

@@OSTemli Tony Ferguson and Anderson Sylva practice WingChun

@@PrimalCulture no they dont, silva is taekwondo and did pro boxing, tony had bjj and boxing as background none of the fighter have any wing chun background because none of them when to any wing chun for even a year or month or had any wing chun competition, what you show is they themselves just doing some wing chun move on dumb for fun, can u namw me thwir wing chun gym or their master. You people r the one who think bruce lee is fighter

@@OSTemli 1. I did not say they are WingChun practitioners; what I said is that they practice it; they also have used it in their fights. 2. You do not need to become a master of a particular martial art to learn a few of its techniques to be used in combat. 3. They are not the only ones!

and what does that mean exactly?

it means it dosnt need" myth busting"

Yeah i agree. They are sparring and learning throws. It might not be the best training but its certainly not fake. At least it wouldn't make you WORSE at fighting like this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lAwTQTDz43k.html

according to who?

adam jensen m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tYufPc5Ex7A.html Skip to 15:48

Good point dude, I miss Cung Lee, he was awesome and Sandal is very cool.

Weili now

Wushu Sanda fighters winner in MMA: Muslin Salikov Cung le Weili Zhang Joshua Pacios ( ONE CHAMPIONSHIP WEILI/ Wushu lakai Tean) Li jingliang Yan Xionan...

madmike1 I find it interesting that the Chinese somewhat hate studying martial arts from other cultures so essentially they ripoff Judo and wrestling, give it a Chinese name and claim they discovered a new martial art, lol.

+ichnsn chgo either you are trolling or don't know much about the history of Chinese martial arts look up shuai jiao on just about any online encyclopedia and it martial arts book then come back with a different comment

Yeah I got to agree with Joel, China has been doing its martial arts for a long time. NOW I wont say they have the oldest martial arts on earth, because it is just a case of China was one of the first countries that have recorded history and I bet Japan and other countries have been doing martial arts for just as long. But saying China rips off other martial arts is a bit silly. If China did rip off other martial arts they would be more effective today funny enough, A lot of martial arts that 'rip off' others and put their own spin on it tend to be the more effective martial arts, such as BJJ, American Kick Boxing, Dutch Kick Boxing, Krav Maga and Sambo. What I am saying is this will not be effective in a fight against an MMA fighter because of the lack of ground fighting and submissions. I seriously see no way they would win against any other grappling arts, they might be pretty good at getting the takedown....They have no experience of what to do after the takedown. Regardless, I dunno why this martial art has to be brought up...China has a GREAT Freestyle and Greco wrestling program and they have a lot of talented wrestlers.

Shuai Jiao is several centuries older then Judo.

That doesn't seem like a fake martial art at all. For one thing they are actually sparring. It just seems like a variation of Judo. Judo fighters have done ok in MMA. They are very hard to take down without ending up on bottom.

Uhm, Choy lee fut?

It is in sanda, it’s just sanda has this awkward 5s rule to perform a throw after clinch. They did this because there’s no ground fight allowed in sanda and the ref will stop the fight a awards poijts after any successful throw (2 or 3 depending on the throw) and early sanda, which didn’t have such limit became a throw fest. Everyone and their mom is trying to throw the opponent instead of punching or kicking and this also gave people with wrestling background a huge advantage. As a result, the higher ups decided that this will make sanda less entertaining to watch and changed the rules.

Sanda already have takedowns and throws just no groundfight.

shuai jiao was directly incorporated into sanda for the takedowns

so mma

This is in sanda

competitive Sanda was created by the Chinese military in the 1980s and it's basically just a kickboxing ruleset

Joshua Sharrock agreed. I personally mix karate with judo and BJJ and did some Muay Thai. I'd take BJJ if I had to stick to one style,because,it's been proven to be the most useful style. I started in karate because I grew fond of it as a kid watching Baki the grappler and karate movies,and later,due to lyoto machida. Fact is,most TMA,and even certain "useful" striking arts such asboxing or kickboxing,are useless against an MMA fighter orgrappler,thus, I started grappling because I learned the hard way

Joshua Sharrock all I see here is sloppy judo with no kuzushi btw

Joshua Sharrock The ineffectiveness of traditional martial arts is due to non-sparring. Even now that they are being trashed there is little encouragement to sparring. A boxer on training always spar. How can a traditional martial artist know what really works when he do not put it to test? Just the feeling of getting hit will change your perspective. In fact, I believe that a boxer who practice only shadowboxing without sparring can be beaten by a wingçhun guy easily.

frankacuso agreed

Oh I'm not saying these guys are talented in any way... I was commenting on the very last comment he made at the very end of this video where he said a lot of us think that we hate him because he hates on Kung Fu.

Very interesting!

Actually Judo is the sport version and jujitsu where it came from also has strikes and kicks. There are throws in Judo that was made illegal because it was intended to kill or maim. Cung Le does incorporate Shaui Jiao but also wrestling as well (He was an all American wrestler at HS). The guy alsonknows TKD and boxing so he is very dangerous. Shaui Jiao (which I suspect was derived from Mongolian wrestling) like Judo is very effective.

To be honest, the example you gave is a valid criticism of BJJ. But to be fair, the Shuai Jiao practitioners are using their throws while trying to stay on their feet it's a real plus in self-defense situation and kinda justifies the lack of groundwork. Still if they have to face a wrestler or judoka they would have serious problems.

youve got to remember that a part of shuai jiao is taking people down without going down yourself, and arguebly that can create problems for judoka and wrestlers. also, like judo is to traditional jujutsu, shuai jiao is a standardised form of competition and not a traditional style (kuoshu federation, 1928). the traditional art was more of a mix of skills and disciplines called Jiao Li which included striking, locks, and holds in addition to the throws and takedowns, a more comllete martial art. no one really trains military jiao li and as such a lot of shuai jiao training contains throws and takedowns from across kung fu styles in addition to less standardised forms of traditional chinese wrestling. compared to judo, competitive shuai jiao doesnt put so much credit on going to the ground.... hence its point system where if your not fully taken down (ie stop yourself falling by placing a hand on the ground) then your opponent cant score the full 3 points and only gets 1. also shuai jiao allows you to grab the legs.... nothing wrong with a double leg, single leg, or an ankle pick... just dont put your knee on the ground and give away a point. who says these guys cant sprawl either....

Shuai Chiao petitioners do not do sacrifice throws. This is only the competition or sport side of Shuai Chiao the Combat side has strike such as kicks punches, breaking of Limbs, locks as well, on the ground submissions and stand up submissions as well to put that pointed out of commission for once or even death if necessary in real life.

I couldnt agree with you more, the problem with this type of judo is how they struggle to hip down throws and dont understand how their legs are open for attack too since in this sport there are more rules. It would be a better sport and martial art if they only looked at other martial arts and use more logical inexperienced techniques like takedowns and pinning like street fights half the time.

The problem is that their legs are open for attack, if I grab the persons leg and perform a low straight single they are done.

Ironically this was the very first martial art china used

It has his origins from at least 5 bce if I remember correctly, and it came from the steps so it's related to mongolian and kazakh wrestling

Mohseen Lala this is far older than Judo

Mohseen Lala you never know if you really want to fight until you get punched in the face and the smell of your own blood fills your nostrils. it triggers a fight or flight response that you have to be prepared for. I have seen really big muscular dudes that think they are badasses that get punched in the face one good time and they can only think about how the hell to get outta there.

Leg grabs are super easy to counter with gi on though. You push forward I just sprawl and pull your collar in the opposite direction of your neck, since a leg takedown relies entirely on pushing force resulting in an easy choke. And there's no strikes so there's no good reason to stand more straight like in MMA or boxing, don't gotta worry about avoiding punches or getting a knee to your face so going for the leg takedown just isn't as viable based on just the common way to stand in Judo.

Mohseen Lala judo has ground work. I don’t think you understand judo. Also tripping is legal in judo. Not to mention that many judo schools do teach leg attacks. If you’re interested in throws with leg attacks why wouldn’t you just learn wrestling honestly?

I've done Judo dude, oddly enough Newaza focused so I'm very well aware of what the art entails. Was talking about Judo more as a sport rather than an art. Foot trips and sweeps are legal here, but you can't intentionally target someone's legs (like a double or single leg take down). And even if they do teach newaza, the amount of time given in a Judo match doesn't make for a satisfying ground fight. Over here it's 30 seconds upon a failed Ippon--which is bullshit.

TGGP senpai Why don't they just learn Judo instead of trying to create a style that's a inferior ripoff? Chinese people are strange because their pride is the reason they've now been surpassed in martial arts by the west.

ichnsn chgo well,from my understanding,Chinese wrestling has a tradition that spans thousands of years before judo/JJJ. So it's not a rip-off. But. I think it just looks like sloppy judo. It has a deep cultural meaning for the Chinese just like other forms of Kung Fu. And I do agree it's inferior,but,with these peoples brute strength combined with judo and/or BJJ,I would say they would be beast

thats actually funny since Judo/JJ is a watered down ripoff of Chinese/Steppe Wrestling....

Turquoise Uranus not really......it borrows techniques from qin'na but it's not a COMPLETE ripoff....like ne waza....its only found in judo

Turquoise Uranus and if it's watered down instead of evolved,how come I only see sloppy takedown attempts with no kuzushi or set up what so ever. I'm sorry to saythis,but this wouldn't really work against a judoka. Source: I'm a 3 stripe white belt who beat someone with 3 years of shuai jiao training back in Mexico. He did no set up and just sloppily tried takedowns,I resisted all.

RussXnimbusX42 agreed,not only do they give out kuzushi,they do it basically deliberately. Too agressive,and not enough patience to set up kuzushi. For some reason all I see here are people going directly for kake too soon

I think i saw a video of a shuai Jiao practitioner owning a judo comp. I think i saved it somewhere...

Judo and Aikido came from this art.

Geto Mokuzai emm....no lol. They borrow stuff from qin'na.... But,they have ne waza,of which,is only found in Japanese martial arts.

Geto Mokuzai shuai jiao in turn came from Indian wrestling.

I think monks after seeing hundreds of videos where mma amateurs destroying asian artists decided not to fight. After all, imagine you are monk, you have own community where people respect you, then you go and show how mma fighter owns you in 10 sec...

gxtmfa I agree it’s like a T-shirt like people might wear out on da streets

They are beginners, idiot

Guo Jing actually....I think this might be a believable story,but,I don't think even if he were young now a days,he would be able to take on MMA fighters. I'm not trying to troll,but,without ground game,you won't really do well. There is a reason that most UFC fighters are at least purple belt inBJJ

StL33T agree. Sanda is the most effective Chinese martial art

Simon Warner agreed

Simon Warner that clinch looks very exploitable by a thai boxer waaaayy to upright to tp really grapple

jakubkalinamalina im not talking straight mauy thai im talking about an mma fighter with decent takedown defense who primarily use mauy thai think jose aldo that type of grappling would really make you vulnerable to strikes

Simon Warner why would someone use this instead of American folkstyle or international freestyle

Some Black Dude or bjj amd catch

Sure. We'll look at cantonese wing chun.

Yep. Shuai Jiao has ground work and small joint manipulations too.

Yep

Yeah ;)

Judo is known as slow shuai jiao