Yamaha T-MAX (2022) Test Ride 

I assume the other brands are relevant in Portugal. In the US, even if they may exists (possibly under different names..) noone as of yet knows of them. TMax isn't for sale in the US either, but at east people know what it is.

You are exactly right - he finds the smile spot in every bike and describes it really well. There is no nit picking or false scepticism - just an open mind for the ride he is reviewing.

From a purely pragmatic POV, it works well. Parallel twins with CVTs aren't exactly a match for Japanese I (and V) 4s, Italian and American Twins, British triples nor German I6s as far as excitement is concerned, though..... If "touring" involves a lot of actual dense Euro/Asian city exploring, this is likely hard to beat. But for endless roaming around wide open Western US states, or Alpine passes, or Mongolia and Kazakhstan, I'd rather have a setup with some more some intrinsic excitement than a CVT droner.

Get the NC. It's cheaper. And, except for the scooter's added protection for pant legs, a better ride. Storage is no worse, and the NC carries the side panniers (same ones, I believe) narrower than the Forza and XAdv. The NC also has "normal" tire sizes. he XAdv does have noticeably improved suspension over the other two. But is freaking HUGE: As in BMW 1200GS Huge! If all three were the same price, I'd still get the NC. It's just more versatile. Unless commuting on wet roads in pants you don't want muddied, is a big thing. Then, the scooter format (even if it is a motorcycle underneath) is unbeatable.

@@paulnorman8274 the NC is a great bik, decent value for money but has inferior suspension (at least front end wise) and brakes to the Forza 750 plus a worse TFT screen. I bought the Forza. I also ride a GS....

​@@robertmarsh3588was planning to buy the forza but am now considering the tmax 560 tech max instead. No chain, heating, electric windscreen, cruise control....

Above some rate of speed, something for your knees to grab onto starts to matter. As does a more "in-control" riding position. And longer-travel rear suspension. And perhaps larger wheels..... The TMax is already fast. The Forza may be even faster, but if it wasn't for it's huge parts-commonality with more overtly motorbike'y scoots, I doubt the added 10-odd HP would warrant the loss of all those potential A2 license-holders. Most people who bother getting a full license, don't do it to buy any scooter, no matter how brilliant.

@@paulnorman8274 *23 odd HP, I said it would be nice to have a more powerful version available so no loss of A2 customers and I doubt those are many anyway, not only because the full and A2 licence exams are identical, but also because the Tmax is too expensive for most of those age limited A2 riders. The Forza is a step in the right direction, but don't know how much faster it is. Adventure bikes have upright riding positions so the riding position is no issue, the only thing I'm going to agree with is the possible need for the knees to grab onto something, but at 70bhp that need is not crucial.

@@paulnorman8274 in any case TMax is a nice vehicle but I would understand its asking price if it had that extra 23bhp. I don't understand the price of scooters in general, they are low vfm.

@@infinitydreamzz 70hp means 200kph. Hit a good sized bump, or even just a big wind gust, or both at the same time..., and its nice to be a bit more anchored than when sitting on a barstool.....

@@paulnorman8274 I can make a few counterarguments to that point, but for the sake of brevity I'll give you only one: the Tmax has a top speed of 180kph.

Now in 2023 it’s 16300€

Tmax is way nicer I have ridden both

high engine temperatures under the plastics makes driving in city uncomfortable. such a big engine and bad heat dissipation

Yeah. No walk around either. We didn't even see how it looks.

Brakes works well ;) look from 1:10...

@@CagerOnTwoWheels I have no objection to Tmax. I like it! I also like Honda and have never been a Honda employee. Your videos are generally good, but in this video you have not reviewed most of the basics.