Thanks for this. I'm seriously contemplating buying the Yamaha RXV4A, so watching this is invaluable. Ps, I'm in love with the electrostatics, in your room 😍
Thanks for the good word. NOTE: We have had multiple RXV4s crap out on us. We also saw this with the previous model (RXV485). We have not had problems with the RXV6 or the models above this. I don't know why this is as there isn't anything noticeable that would point to this BUT something to keep in mind.
At the more budget end of the market, Yamaha delivers insanely good value for money! The amount of automatic room compensation and power delivery of the V6A is just incredible for the low price.
I have the V4A and am researching to update to a little better one debating on the A6A or A8A Hard choice when I can get two of the A6A for less then the price of the A8A
I'm a fellow dealer in San Diego and Cross paths with you periodically at the local distributor. I'll say hi next time I see you. 2022-2023 was an absolute nightmare for HDMI issues with Marantz receivers. We chalked it up to chip issues with shortages over those years. Cinema series has seemed to fix this. Great to see other professional installers that know their stuff in the area. On the code set thing though, we didn't have that issue with Control4. Full, complete, easy, and reliable IP control. Actually probably the most reliable we use.
Were your IP codes working for discrete DSPs such as All Channel Stereo, Dolby, etc.? They weren't for us (they were toggles that would toggle the DSP category). We tried with IP through Total Control and IR/hex with URC. The hex codes listed from SU didn't work, though they said they did (they never tested them). Inputs and power worked fine. After bothering Sound United for 2.5 years on this subject, they recently sent us the latest code list from Japan and these finally work. This was just a couple months ago. See you around!
@@airetheaterdesigns Yup. Control4 has always had reliable IP Marantz/Denon drivers with discrete DSP. Probably the most reliable IP controlled device we offer and full direct discrete DSP modes.
We'll have to compare notes next time I see you. Their hex codes definitely didn't work for 60-70% of their DSPs over the last number of years and their November release only fixed about half of these. If you look at their latest release of codes, Dolby, DTS and THX are 90% listed as unavailable for all of their newest receivers. We've been able to get by now but prior to this, the codes didn't work with RTI and URC and they are the same hex/RC-5 codes that are supposed to work with all models.@@cbane
@@airetheaterdesigns I'll introduce myself next time. Ask Jason @ V for my contact info if you want to reach out and chat. Haven't used IR (or needed to use hex strings) or 232 on Marantz in probably 7-8 since becoming a C4 dealer. 100 percent IP, certified, and rock solid with power, source, DSP etc. They also have modes "music" "movie" that toggle DSP modes accordingly but direct discrete as well. Marantz has been our go to since they allowed power on with input removing the on sequence delay 10-15 years ago.
The toggles work but not discretes for what I listed earlier. If you look at Marantz's chart from Japan it literally says that codes don't exist for Dolby, DTS, etc. for their entire new receiver line-up. When you want the client's system to go directly to 5 channel stereo or Dolby, these specific codes didn't work. I think what you are doing (having toggles for DSPs to cycle through the specific modes) and what we do (have specific DSPs so the systems ALWAYS go to Dolby, 5 chanel stereo, etc. are different. This isn't a problem with Yamaha or many other manufacturers@@cbane
I'm currently in the market for a new avr, at the min I'm using a 22 year old Yamaha rxv650 with 2 rotel rmb1066 running 6 surrounds and the other is running bridged powering the LCR, never really thought about getting another Yamaha I tend to be drawn to marantz.
If you want a great sound with Yamaha AVR´s, you have to use the manual EQ. This tool is great and you can edit room modes very well. But you have to know what you're doing with the EQ. YPAO is not good. The measurement changes parameters in some frequencies that make no sense. It detects sometimes the right room modes, but intervenes far too weakly in the frequency response. If you want the best results, you have to do it manually.
We like the way you think. A point we like to get across as well is that what a machine thinks is the best sound (YPAO, Dirac, Audyssey) may not be the best sound for you so feel free to experiment. Many people are led to believe that these correction systems are the Holy Grail and discussions like yours can shed some light on the subject.
@@charlesking678 We haven't installed enough of the RXA8As to make a decision yet. We have another one going in next week and we may have some more input.
This is the first time I ran into you guys. pretty good review. I think you are right about the Marantz. I was searching for a receiver to replace my 750 Yamaha when I audition a Marantz, Yamaha and Denon at a Best Buy store. I almost bought the Marantz because it sounded better than the Yamaha. But the Yamaha was cheaper and the flagship receiver was closing out so I bought the 3070. Not a bad receiver but not as detailed as the Marantz. I had a Yamaha 2200 years ago that was more detailed than this one.
Thanks for stopping by! The 3070 was a great receiver. Before they changed their nomenclature, their 30XX series sounded REALLY good for the last 12 years or so. P.S. Your 3070 should sound better than the RXV2200 that you had. It has superior DtoAs and a better amplifier section. Play around with YPAO and see if you can get that 3700 sounding better as it may sound smoother right off the bat when comparing the sound signature to the 2200. You might like a "crisper" sound and YPAO and settings can give you that.
@gralen Best Buy pushes Marantz because they get a better markup. I was there the other day to try to confirm a few features. They didn't have it hook up correctly to do an A/B comparison.
I can't disagree too much, pre 2020 I picked Yamaha over Marantz quite easily. However Yamaha's newer lineup hasn't been quite as good as expected, and they had some long firmware delays etc. And I think Marantz has gotten better and less glitchy than some previous models. Both make many excellent products though.
Hello Seth, It's nice to see that you're doing well and looking great. I have a Denon AVRX4400H with a proper 9.2 setup, and nowadays, most of the movies we watch are from various streaming services. However, the quality of the audio isn't respectable. Without installing more speakers, do any of the newer receivers do a better job with the poor audio quality of the streaming services? I'd upgrade to a better AVR if the audio quality were improved with streaming services. Do you have any suggestions
HEY! What's happening? Hope all is good. Regarding sound with streaming, this is a common complaint. I would focus more on the quality of the speakers and the speaker layout/set-up more than anything to improve the audio. Feel free to give me a call as I may type a novel to go over suggestions.
The front and center are Klipsch G-28 and the celling are Klipsch CDT-5800-C and the sides and rears are R-5650S and Klipsch 12’ sub. The thing is, it sounds fantastic on blue ray for that reason I thought that perhaps the streaming services were not providing the same audio experience as w/ blue ray. Since you didn’t immediately mention an issue w/ the receiver I suppose it’s safe to assume the receiver is fine.@@airetheaterdesigns
The issues were the ports not the company I have been using music cast for 3 or 4 years and never had the issue you describe with it and it plays daily for the dogs.
The informational issues were actually Yamaha. We got ETA updates from multiple competitors that used the same shipping ports. That aside, we love Yamaha. Good to hear about your MusicCast. I think they are doing things better on their end as we have heard more and more about the problems becoming less and less. Thanks for the feedback.
You guys sound like a couple of experts just shooting the breeze about things you know very well and have lots of experience with.. that’s a rarity on RU-vid…. At no time did I feel like you were trying to sell me one thing or the other.. “Just the facts Ma’am” I dig it..
I was using Yamaha for many years. Replaced the Adventage A-1000 with the Onkyo TX RZ50 a few weeks ago, for $1029. ($1599 on their website). Night and day difference in my Martin Logan Vistas. They never sounded this good. I think that Yamaha's, Marantz, Onkyo, Dennon, and Sony all have made tremendous strides in audio quality-particularly in the upper level receivers. While there are certainly differences between them, I don't think that you can make a bad decision if you purchase one of the top 1 or 2 models from any of the listed manufacturers.
Did you run calibration on the Onkyo? This could possibly account for the difference in sound that you are hearing. I agree that today's receivers have become more similar than different over the years.
@@airetheaterdesigns I did run the Onkyo room correction. Having difficulties Dirac. The sound difference was noticeable prior to running the correction program.
Not a bad idea and we may do that at some point. This was more to point out the pros-and-cons of Yamaha vs Marantz so people could differentiate between the lines.
i've been considering the yamaha but since you consider the sound of the marantz better now i need to look at marantz. difficult to know which one will make my old speakers sound better.
@@airetheaterdesigns sorry for the confusing reply. i have two sets of speakers in a 5.1 config. dt 2004 and infinity il60. i guess my question is which avr would help the sound "better" the yamaha a4a or the equivalent marantz model thanks for the replies
I'd go the Marantz. Both of those speakers have more of a neutral sound characteristic and you'll get a little more edge out of the Marantz. P.S. I haven't heard those Infinity models in 20+ years!@@PlazaMaya
Man...we're going back in the time machine on this one. I haven't sold these in 13-14 years BUT from what I remember...go with the SR5007. The 800 series from Yamaha was basically their step-down model from a current/build perspective but with extra features. Ex: 2 HDMI outs vs 1. The SR5007 was better built, had higher current capacity and sounded better.
That's wacky. I JUST talked to a buddy yesterday that had someone he found on-line that fixed his old legacy stereo system. You'll need to Google around a bit. Depending on the age of the gear, you may be able to do it through a manufacturer-provided servicer or through someone local that works on legacy stuff. Good luck!
Thought it was interesting - not bad, just interesting - that when you talk about Marantz’s Audyssey room correction setup, the image you show is a Denon (I might be a #denonfanboy, but I’m 75 years old, so not much “boy” left!) receiver with THEIR Audyssey room correction setup on top (yes, I know it’s all the same company now). I’m not sure, but I thought Denon had Audyssey first, some years ago. As for #denonfanboy, I’ve always thought Denon was quite comparable in terms of performance, but at a better price point. How do you feel about that? Have you done a Marantz vs. Denon and/or a Yamaha vs. Denon review? Thanks for the comparo review - like I said, interesting! Bart
Thanks for stopping by. We will probably do a Denon vs etc. review in the near future here, depending on funds and free time. In comparing Denon vs some of the others, you kind of have to dive into the weeds to see some of the differences. Ex: Some forums have claimed "The RXA6A ($2500) tests the same as the Denon 3800 ($1699) so there is no reason to buy Yamaha". They neglect to mention that the Yamaha has a more robust power supply, bigger capacitors, a better damping factor and weighs 14 pounds more. Think these differences equate to sound quality? I do. It really costs all of these manufacturers the same to make this stuff and we don't make any more selling one brand vs another SOOOOO should one think that you get a special value with Denon vs Marantz, Yamaha, etc.? I think not. I would buy the receiver to meet your needs and budget and know that spending more does equal a better receiver. Do you need/want these better elements? That's up to you.
Maybe you guys can answer this for me? I have this Yamaha a8a and 11 speakers and 2 subs. They are all Klipsch. That is with the 4 Atmos ceiling speakers. I have tried to get Atmos to display on my receiver screen like the Marantz. I tried every Atmos source I have including blu ray Atmos movies like midway. I have all the latest greatest hdmi cables. All settings on the receiver are set to auto. Is DD+Dsurround considered atmos. What should I set this receiver at to get true Atmos. Thank you
Hi 👋 Guy's, Speaking Of HDMI Issues, I Have A Issue With My Samsung S95B Tv 📺 And Denon AVRX6700H ???? Nothing Will Come ( SOURCES WILL COME ON BUT NOT SIMULTANEOUSLY LIKE TV AND AVRX6800H JUST WON'T @ THE SAME TIME!) All @ 9 Once, But Everything Will POWER 🔋 OFF ALL @ ONCE??? I've Have This ISSUE, Since I PAIRED The 2 Up With My DEVICES ALL Going Through My AVRX6800H. I Wish I Knew The Issue???? Help If You Can Please! I Did The Resets On Both , Power CYCLES. Checked For Corrected HDMI 2.1 CABLES ECT But Nothing Gives????
I'd call your dealer or whoever you bought it from to have them take you through it. We don't sell Denon so I don't know the setting offhand but it is most possibly tied to one of its AUTO HDMI settings that we reference in the video above.
My Marantz SR5009 just died! It had been having trouble with getting hot at a little more than half the volume. What AVR would you recommend for my setup: I only have two front speakers, 685 S2 and an AS608 subwoofer...thanks!)
If you aren't EVER going to add a center, rears, etc. you may want to consider a 2 channel/2.1 set-up and run the HDMI directly to the TV. You'll get more audio bang for the buck with this sort of set-up. Marantz and Yamaha have these sort of options. Arguably for some, today's calibration programs (Audyssey, YPAO, etc.) are more important for multi-channel and don't do a lot for two-channel set-ups. You can improve 2 channel sound tremendously by following our "How to make your speakers sound better" video. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6muZLnPyETw.html
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I have a Golden Ear Super Cinema 3D Aray Xl Soundbar and a Super sub x with a pair of the super sat 3 for a 5.1 Ian using a Integra 50.3 AVR AND I AM GOING TO UPGRADE my AVR to match my LG 65 inch OLED I AM LOOKING AT the Yamaha advantage A6a or the A8A or a Maratze cinema 40 or 50 what would be the best one for my system
We've put in a few A8As lately and those systems sound REALLY good. Both the Cinema 40 and the A8A are excellent but one thing your wallet may like is... All of the AVR companies raised their prices substantialy during Covid. Yamaha is the only manufacturer that has dropped them since. We think you're getting a little more bang-for-the buck as a result. We like the Yamaha sound characteristic with brighter speakers like the GoldenEar...We like the Cinema 40s room correction.
@@airetheaterdesigns I want the best sound quality and clear dialogue for music and movies I have a 21-12 room with 8 foot ceiling and my living room is square
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Can the Marantz auto switch from tv mode to Xbox when I turn on Xbox? And so on to PS5? Did I have a bad one? Cause the one I had didn’t? Also, for the Yamaha, can I have every speaker to pre amp for main zone?
I'm not sure what you're asking about Marantz. What exactly do you want to "auto switch" to do? I'm not sure what you're asking about Yamaha. Are you asking if there are pre-outs for all channels so you can hook up an external amplifier and use the Yamaha as a pre-amp? You can if you go high enough in their line-up.
@@airetheaterdesigns Meaning if I’m watching tv, it will be in tv mode, but if I turn on the Xbox, will it automatically switch over to display that, and so on
@@GizmoDuck34 They can if you have CEC enabled with all devices. However, CEC pretty much sucks and can be unreliable. It is more reliable to have CEC off on all devices and just change to the desired input when you want to use something. Ex: When you turn on the Xbox you will then manually turn the receiver to the correct input.
I HAVE: 4X - Mirage FRX One 1X - Mirage Mc-3 Center 1X - Mirage FRx-S10 Powered Subwoofer I am still very happy with them. I am doing a AVR upgrade (wireless) can I further utilize my Mirage speakers and keep them relevant with wireless? Is this possible? Is it advisable? Will I loose allot / any sound quality..? ANY HELP / POINTERS / DIRECTION(S) / ADVISE... WOULD BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED...
Seriously, if you're going to do a review please do some homework before you start making jokes. And if you make a joke bring put some facts behind it and not just kate the piss. You're supposed to be informing the viewers. Whilst other companies did not put inferior chipsets in their equipment when there was a shortage, D&M compromised quality for availability. Please God just do some homework before you put a review out.
If you're referring to our segment about Covid availability, we did plenty of homework. We reached out to Yamaha over and over and over asking for ETAs, scheduling, etc. Instead of acting like Sonos and Marantz which actually had timelines and calendars that they sent to dealers, Yamaha did NOTHING. When they were presented with the knowledge that we got weekly updates from Sonos, that we got rough timelines from D&M, etc. and asked if they could do the same...THEY DID NOTHING. That's not taking the piss...that's frustration based on 2 years of a total lack of communication. Covid was tough for everyone in manufacturing but some did a much better job than others.
I’ve heard the Cinema 40 has better bass than the Cinema 50 Also, do you know if the Cinema 40 has the same HDMI handshake issue for Xbox X that the Cinema 50 has?! I know the Yamaha is really good with connectivity and auto switching when turning on a device
@@GizmoDuck34 As of this second, we would take Marantz over Yamaha re: HDMI switching and handshakes. We have had a number of issues with the new Yamaha models (one was last Wednesday) where the handshake isn't being made and you need to turn off/on the TV or receiver to get it to show picture. We have seen this mainly with Sony TVs so we are trying to assess if this is a Yamaha thing or a Sony thing. We think Yamaha but stay tuned.
@@airetheaterdesigns Ahh, yea, I have a Sony tv! I’ve been having handshake issues with the cinema 50 too, I returned it tho. But now I’ve been reading that the 40 has way better bass than the 50. Have y’all found that to be true too? I need my bass
I have nothing but nightmares with Yamaha and my Xbox Series X. Never outputs the audio correctly and there is always massive de-sync too with the audio, I have tried everything to resolve it and ended up unplugging it from the receiver and not bothering.
I have a few awesome Yamaha Receivers from the DSP-A1 to RX-V1 to RX-V9,to Aventage-A2030. They all have many features, sound great and have been reliable. The one problem with them is if the remote goes bad you are basically screwed especially since Logitech stopped making their infinitely programable remotes. Yamaha does not sell replacement remotes as far as I know.
Nice! I sold the 2nd or 3rd DSP-A1 in the US (I wanted to be the 1st, but one of our other sales guys beat me to it) when I worked for Dow Stereo close to 30 years ago! You shouldn't have a problem getting a remote, either OEM or a generic one. Check with Yamaha and their parts department on Monday. They should be able to steer you in the right direction. NOTE: URC remotes work great for Yamaha receivers, regardless of the vintage. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_sqMIiwGyCU.html
