Yoshi-P Comments on Oversimplification, Gameplay Goals & The Return of Kaiten 

Jumping To Conclusions (Ultimate)

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​@@voistar5387Reading Comprehension Downfall (Ultimate)

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That's good to hear. I was a little worried they'd feel a need to rush. Glad we're not waiting a full 2.5 years, but I wonder exactly how much they're willing to change mid expansion.

We'll all need to have patience, large sweeping changes will only be bad for the health of the game! It's better that they're slowly improving the game and listening to player feedback along the way

i do that for every removed button, its a cool little collection you can cultivate over time. I got my "boomer bar" with MNK's evasion buff, the old SMN pet summons, many crafting icons and kaiten for example :D

Lot of SAMs still have it there lol

In the same boat, it looked cool and felt good to use. Otherwise I couldn't care less.

For me, it was the soul of the class. It just felt good to use and it flowed really well not only in your rotation but also it’s animation.

@@ich3730Old Sumnoner pet summons can stay gone because players just ended up using Ifrit the majority of the time and they are not designing the encounter around pet swapping.

Yeah I think more likely it refers to this general "enhanced player fulfilment" direction he has been talking about rather than job changes, as in it will be evident from 7.2 onwards. It feels like it's taken a bit out of context in the article. I hope to be proven wrong but it's just too crazy to me to think they will make jobs more complex mid expac.

@@VideogamesPang that being said, they DID change Paladin in 6.3, and HAVE made smaller changes mid-expansion. So if they started making SMALLER tweaks in 7.2, it wouldn't be so far off what they have done before. Not saying it WILL be how it goes, but they have actually changed jobs mid expac before.

7.2 would be the ideal patch to start doing it since they would be able to balance the next Tier of the raid series and Ultimate around them, unlike the first ones which are probably too far in development to do so now.

I feel like this article is quite misleading, as well as how they present reddit as being the "majority" when I can guarantee the majority of FF14's playerbase is not represented by the subreddit! Unfortunately I think that's just part of modern videogame journalism

​@Naoto-kun1085 it's crazy to me that anyone commenting on the game would feel confident enough to claim to represent a majority of any type.

No it's not, because at that point keeping all of them perfectly balanced is awkward. You can't make an easy job perform as well as a difficult job and vice versa because that's unfair on effort-result axis

It's not "unfair". I would gladly play a more difficult job and deal the same damage as a SMN crayon eater. The reward is not dealing more damage, it's getting to have fun by not pressing one button. RIP healers since ShB.

It seems to me you absolutely can do that. Just look at WAR.

@@felixryan9798 In EW, BLM smokes SMN in damage, but SMN is still the most played job and the job with the most clears because of its ease of use. What you're saying here isn't reflected in actual data.

@@Nezard0 BLM is its own thing, but I'm more talking about stuff like RPR vs every other melees in first tier, or SMN vs RDM. RPR was far ahead before they buffed other melees to catch up, and RDM felt like griefing for TOP first month when you absolutely needed LB to kill p2 comfortably BLM also didn't pull that far ahead until abyssos so it was a debatable choice also

They reworked Paladin on the same patch they dropped TOP.

hear me out, increasingly bigger saws

​@@SwordmasterChannelI love it. Fell Cleave, Feller Cleave, Fellest Cleave. Make 'em get progressively louder as well.

I'll miss Bloodspiller, loved the animation.

@@rafaelmendonca1272 I don't think bloodspiller is going away. I think the new combo happens during delirium.

I wish I could relate. Out of curiosity, what jobs do you play/when did you start playing? I'm just curious if there's a correlation with player sentiment

I agree this is far preferable to having 2-4 specs suddenly suck every patch. It is beyond frustrating to genuinely enjoy something and suddenly have to pick up something else because no one will play with you. Dragoon saw a little bit of that a few expacs ago. And look at Pictomancer. These people do not want homogenized jobs or kits but the second Pictomancer was announced to not have a rez it was declared to be "dead on arrival" and many people are already opposed to bringing Picto to prog for that reason unless double caster becomes the optimal composition. So what is it then? Perhaps if the community could reign in their elitisms we could consider niche jobs but so long as this is the way the community at large behaves, this is the best we can do.

@@Cervarius_K not OP, but I feel similarly and started in 2.0 beta. I’m firmly a believer that a game community warps around the emergent efficiencies in gameplay. If it’s efficient to gatekeep, not only will the community do it, they’ll do it zealously. I absolutely would love some job identity, but I don’t want it to be sacrificed for jobs that can’t be respectfully played in content. And, I don’t think that’s the track we’re on. Let ‘em cook.

@@Cervarius_K I wholeheartedly agree with Xorua. I have been playing since ARR launched. I mained Warrior on release up until I cleared the HM primals for the relic grind, I switched to NIN when it came out and I cleared Twintania on it but then I switched to SCH for prog for all other coils. I did not raid during Heavensward at all but I played DRG through it. I completed SB as a SMN and used it for extremes but switched to WHM for Savage because our group needed healers. I completed ShB as a SMN again but used DRG during all of the extremes and it became my main for the rest of the expansion when RPR was announced because I wanted to practice a melee for RPR. EW was Reaper time but I had a hard time finding a prog spot after leveling (there were a million reapers trying) so I had to settle for DNC since that's what the group wanted. We cleared Asphodelos and cleared up to the 1st phase of Hephaistos but during the 2nd phase of Hephaistos I left that group. I switched up to NIN briefly after viper was announced and though I initially found Picto to be a shock (not in a good way) because I was expecting a Shaman or Green Mage, I eventually got really excited, switched to RDM in preparation for Picto and cleared Anabaseios Savage though I still have to go back and actually kill Hephaistos at some point. I am preparing a Viper Alt as well because after how much hate Picto got for not getting the homogenous raise that RDM and SMN have, I imagine if I want into the next savage tier I will have to be willing to not play picto. To me that's the problem. People don't want homogenization but when a job does not offer the exact same kit as another they are very quick to turn on it. When DNC's kit did not benefit the reaper (which was initially seen as a must because of its damage) dancers were reviled and exiled from prog groups prompting SE to quickly come in and patch DNC. Also, no matter how many people hate the 2 minute meta the reason it exists is because people were always trying to align CDs but some jobs had incompatible CDs with others, so it you had one job in your group, then it likely meant the incompatible jobs were no longer welcomed. This was particularly bad with NIN because any kit that struggled to fit its burst into the Trick Attack window was immediately dead since NIN was seen as mandatory and only those jobs that synergized with it were welcomed. As a matter of fact, often the hallmark of a good player at the time was how good they were at aligning their CDs with others.The same people who now have an issue with homogenization were screaming them for "synergy" between jobs.

@@Cervarius_K I started in like 6.08 or something, so I’m not gonna pretend to have a lot of experience with major job changes or the way things used to feel, but coming from other games to this game, it felt much more fun not having to deal with a stupid flavour of the month meta where the current best thing gets nerfed and something else which was previously garbage suddenly becomes overwhelmingly dominant with every major content drop. I started with Dragoon and have stuck with it since, and I’m pleasantly surprised how intact it seems with the Dawntrail “rework.” That said, I’ve levelled everything to 90 and try my best to learn the opener/rotation and the theory that goes into high-end play for all of them, so a few of my other favourites are Paladin, Scholar and Monk.

I know there will be a lot of Kirito cosplayers, but my glam for Viper is going to be Lloyd Irving. The main Protag of Tales of Symphonia and the first dual wielder I ever saw, and while it may sound odd to say this about a fictional character who isn’t uncle Iroh, he was a role model for me in my teenage years with his almost always happy, never say die attitude

Edward Kenway.

​@@raarasunai4896 "If one sword has a power of 100, then using two swords would make it 200, right?" Has stuck with me ever since I first read it. Definitely going to figure out a cosplay of him as well

@@jooko91 I’d be glad to share mine if you like 😁

@@jooko91 I’d be glad to share mine with you if you want. Also sorry if you’re getting this twice. I think my connection blooped the first time I tried to post and it got ate

i mean taking away rez from jobs that have had it for 15 years at this point would be asinine and overly punishing to people that main those jobs in large part to the utility of having a rez instead of just spamming BLM

@@zeening I mean, I dunno about punishing, we Summoner's have a ton in our kit, Res does at times feel like it's just an "add-on" but it really does make the job feel, well "like summoner" because it feels like we're pulling from the opposite side of the coin that is our class, and pulling a Ressurection spell from Scholar. Oh? Actually, thinking about the topic of feeling "like summoner" man I'd love them to change Res to something like "Phoenix Tears" or something and have us actually summon Demi-Phoenix briefly. That'd REALLY feel "like summoner".

The Shadowbringers role quests were no less bland than the job quests before them. They told the story of the Warriors of Light from the first and what happened to them after the Flood of Light. It was a great story, even if it isn't unique between every single job in that role. I don't mind Role Quests replacing Job Quests as long as those Role Quests continue to be good stories, but the Endwalker role quests were just kind of okay. I mean, helping the realm get rid of the big, nearly-unkillable monsters born from peoples' despair is a cool idea, but the stories written for them didn't really stick as well because they weren't really personal.

"I want to do more healing" =/= "I want one damage button to press 99% of the time with 567 oGCD heals that are never used, not even in ultimate/savage".

@@wackantheduck6883 Its mind boggling. Like, just give healers 1-2-3 combos that would already atleast provide some variety in animations. SE not being able to implement solutions that other games would need around 30 minutes for is truly crazy.

Kaiten is pure contrarianism, really. The animation is cool, yes, but it's one of those abilities that didn't add much. You're seeing the same with Spineshatter now. If I asked people to give their opinion on what DRG ability, if any, to prune, Spineshatter was always at the top of the list, even above Dragon Sight. And since the job actions trailer, there's a sudden 180 where we all collectively pretend Spineshatter was the core and soul of the job. Ludicrous.

I was one of the people calling for the removal of kaiten and I was right.

@@ich3730 they dont need a 1-2-3 they can easily have Bard where you have a single button proc into another button. they just need SOMETHING to do in dps outside of spamming 1 button.

They did increase the time between patches in EW to give devs more breathing room

He had his anime training arc this year.

Ngl calling double dotting on 2 targets "weird non-standard rotation" is crazy to me, thats like basic DOT class gameplay we had in vanilla WoW in 2004.

I can only partially agree with listening to casuals, they should definitely be listen to, they make up a bulk of players, but there needs to be a point where Honey Buns the limsa afker really shouldn’t be the main audience listened to. This game really needs to say, ‘hey, you need to get good, it’s been 100 levels and hundreds of hours of play time, you need to pay some attention’

I'm gonna say this. Casuals are fine, and their input matters for most games. But not every job should BE casual accessible. There should be some jobs that are simple, easy to understand absolutely, but there should also be jobs that require a greater amount of skill.

I agree, the silent majority of players are satisfied with the current job meta (myself included) so if they kept the skill floor where it is and just increased the skill ceiling, I would be quite happy!

"there's no real majority here"... right, so SMN and RPR, the simplest Caster and the simplest Melee DPS being also the most popular jobs in the game throws that out the window. While it's true that every job having an overly simplified rotation is bad, it's also bad that every job has a ton of complexity, there's a reason ppl only remember HW for its story, because everything else, including job design, was not very good

Honestly? Call it schadenfreude or not, but I would LOVE to see what the game actually looks like if the decisions were in the hands of few identifiable people. So easy to just say in the sea of people what you think the game should be like but actually have it play out and see what comes of it. From the hyper casual who would be okay with a one button rotation to clear the latest Ultimate to the sweatiest raider who thinks that drifting your GCD for any reason is worthy of execution.

Damn, we are at the point of the game being so lost, people unironically playing with the idea of HW classic xD

I agree that's a route they can take. Problem is you know there will be people complaining that X job pressing a 3 button combo and doing as much damage as Y job pressing a 3 button combo with 2 OGCDs mixed in is not fair and that the "high skill" job should do more, when in reality it's just a different playstyle for those that enjoy more complexity. But, some people will always equate "more complex" with "more power" as opposed to just "different playstyle".

been with it since the beginning gave them two expansions shadow and endwalker and now even in dawntrail they triple down on making every role a homogeneous clone of each other which is even worse for healers because of way damage and combat works. They took away elemental dmg and resistances, they took away positionals, they just take and take chipping away at what makes a job unique and then with healers at least throw so many ogcds that we have a ton of healing options and nothing to heal because once you learn the fight everything is scripted. you know when damage is coming you know when tank busters are coming. Heck tanks themselves are practically a third healer they pump out so much mitigation and self heals.... so what's left for healers. Spamming one single dps button with an occasional dot thrown out. FUN!

gear is just so bad in this game. My lv1 starting sword has the exact same stats on it then the weapon i got for clearing TOP, the hardest content in the game. Only difference is the number.

​@@ich3730The game is not built around set effects or weapon effects. So it kind of makes sense that it doesn't work that way. Gear just being a number is not really much of a problem if all the other aspects of gameplay are properly addressed. The most they could really do is change what number means, but it's still just a number.

@@riel0563 There are so many cool things we could do with gear and equipment that go above "Numba go higha". Just look at the many RPG's that came out over the years, there has to be something more.

So what I'm hearing is.... bring back skill points? :D

AKA, Heavensward.

Tell that to the PF lmao. Though I do agree to an extent

@@purgatoriprytania5382 lol no

I can only imagine the dumpster fire when what you say you want actually happens

Feels like anyone who raids, disagrees with you.

There are no Pre Order Keys. If you preordered and already have access to the Preorder Stuff that means your account is already registered for early Access. You usually get your normal licence during the official Release but the early access i playable till couple of Days of the officiall Release due to maybe people got their Keys later cause of shipping. Just check out the Mogstation if your Acc has the licence for Early Access.

the problem is 80% of players dont do or like difficult stuff(causal players) and 20%( midcore and hardcores) do.

Same bro, it's still in my hotbar

Me too...look what they did to my boi...

When I was on my old chr I still had kaiten on my hotbar. its spot is replaced but its place in my heart is not...!

Aww it's ok there are many skills that I miss come back old astro 😭

There was a good old comment that was basically "What have they done to make you *not* miss Kaiten?" The answer is nothing.

A long time ago.

I actually heavily agree with this. EW was/is given a lot of forgiveness because of COVID but this was the time to start righting the ship. We can't just keep going years between expansions only to get yet another capstone finisher after your finisher.

For one of the biggest MMO's on the market with a rich history and franchise to rely upon for content, doing BOTH NOW should be child's play.

They're saying classes/jobs aren't as fun and good as they used to be, because the Whinging Nation attacked. Thought that was obvious.