Is Your Job Dead in FFXIV Dawntrail? 

Thank u!!

they probably saw how much the DRG community was confused as to why they thought it even needed a rework lol DRG hit peak gameplay in EW, a rework would just feel fucking awful

my understanding of the monk change was that they're just tracking the stances via a job gauge instead of via a buff.

​@@jslaughter95Most DRGs know it kinda in it's current state had to where to really go, it needs some kind of rework to grow again

MNK doesnt seem like a rework at all, if anything NIN its the one that gets rework since no more huton

I feel like people are massively underestimating how stupid the change is to getting rid of any kind of resource generation to just make dragoon a 1-2-3-4-5 job with three dps buffs.

Why are you booing him, he is right?

I was about to say the same thing, this guy is way more entertaining than me just 40 seconds in. If this isn't entertaining, then I'm screwed lol.

Reaction videos are a scam

@@kokayinewsome9308 They certainly can be if you don't add anything unique or if you don't provide any personal insight. (Like SSSniperwolf). However in my opinion this video isn't one of them. At the very minimum one should recognize that there are certainly worse React Andy's here on youtube that make absolute low qualtiy shitposts where they just steal from other talented creators. That isn't what happened here.

well, that's true for like 100% of 14 content creators (and that annoying WoW dude a lot of people seem to like for whatever reason), at least when it comes to "reactions". Reactions are for audiences that are actually reacting and are not even aware they are being recorded, not this fake camera on your face shit you get nowadays.

Same! 🤣

I was a summoner main before the 6.0 changes as I progressed through the Main quest but after the change, I rarely used her and didn't even bother to get her gears.

@@NeollaNoilaSame. Endwalker made SMN so incredibly bland. The new structure is ok but there's no substance.

That was funny but it also hurts. Ninja, MNK, and SMN used to be all I played. Now all I play now is just Ninja.

​@apharys8921 each summoner summon does the exact same so is literally so automatic what you do just diferent crayon colors and cast times that's it

BRD already had a guitar bow with the SHB relic. Hopefully, the quiver for this new one won’t clip into my glam.

WHM gets a gap closer STATUS ALIVE

Until they keep nerfing the damage overtime on every patch just to make dancer shine more 😂

The bard QoL goes crazy

Feels like that should've been changes in endwalker and not "expansion worthy" new changes 😭

Yes yes yes! I am a bard main and Im so hyped

I also main bard and I was like it's perfect lol

At last!!🤧🤧🤧🤧😭 We Bard mains have not been ignored!!😢

“Man literally too angry to die”

It lives by the energy generated by all the neurons it activates whenever it does the big ooga.

Well if it wasn't, we all know who's head you'd be calling to the chopping block, as it were.

​@@DeadSpaceWing a very bald head

That's a problem, I hope it doesn't remain broken in DT, it's ruined tanking.

"We didnt want a lot on summoner, just an entire overhaul and 3 more summons"

@@jesserebelo3583 they are already in the game. Abilities and all. You have “quotes” on your statement like you’re quoting anything anyone said…. You’re assuming we said “we didn’t want a lot” or hearing / reading things that weren’t said. Summoner mains are and have been telling you and the devs what we’ve wanted for years now. Granted it’s their game and they can make it how they want but we do pay the bills.

@@jesserebelo3583 Well, they kept overhauling it when it was fine, so why shouldn't players want them to stop slacking off with it?

​@@jesserebelo3583 its not an overhaul in literally any way. they added a copy-paste baha burst phase, they could literally do the same and copy-paste the titan/ifrit/garuda gem phase and just rebrand it shiva/ramuh/levi. feels like there's some squeenix bureaucracy going on here given that yoshi-p as asked everyone to wait until 8.0 for some real focus on job identity again but it's still disappointing. i like the general direction they've gone with smn though overall, though i might be in the minority. i can see the foundation of a good job here.

@@twigsno They had a perfect set up to make it amazing this xpac and dropped the ball… Summoner main here and disappointed. I really wish they’d have asked the players, the clients, heck anyone at all. We’ve been telling them for 2.5 years what we all wanted.

hey don't discount the possibility that it's really good damage-wise AND it sucks to play or vice versa, such things are not unheard of

@@femthingevelyn damage for me was never in the equation, unironically I think damage output in this game is a non issue outside of day one prog. Like when they buff or nerf a gcd it effectively changes nothing as far as the in game experience goes and anyone who tells me that they can feel a 20 pot increase it's either lying or delusional. Like if the class is the highest DPS ever but it feels like shit to play I am not going to play it because the reward for better damage is just not worth having to play a shit class, this is not wow or gw2 where the top DPS on an encounter straight up bodies the competition here the best is like 1/2% better than the rest assuming perfect plays

@@femthingevelyn anatman monk flashbacks..

Heck, they could've made the gem summons for one of the three demis and given the others different mechanics.

I'm pretty sure SMN is how SE wishes the rest of the jobs were in terms of simplicity. People were coping all of EW saying that SE would add a "ton" on to SMN in DT, and they got practically nothing. That tells me, SMN taking the award for possibly the simplest mmo job/class ever created is very much intentional.

@@trask9100 There is a difference between copium and remaining hopeful. The former is what happens when the latter is crushed, as SE did with DT summoner.

​@@trask9100 there are a lot of players out there that see that mindset and react with a resounding "GOOD". there has been too many damn buttons in the game since stormblood. I've played summoner pre-and post rework and while i enjoyed them before they got changed i embraced the new design with wide open arms as a breath of fresh air in the game. with the option to play on console once again I would hope they would be pairing things down, I've started playing on controller just to test the experience out and find it somewhat rediculous that is is practically mandatory to use off the the base XHB + all of the full WXHB for most classes and then some (such as warrior) required me to unlock the Expanded action hold hot bar on top of that just to fit all of the skills.

They seem to be directional dashes and not gap closers, yeah. I think DRK even uses it to move to the side of the training dummy at one point.

I agree, I prefer it that way, I only ever used plunge on cool down anyways so I barely even thought of it as a gap closer tbh!

I honestly don't mind this change, so long as the Potency from Plunge is added onto something else so Drk doesn't loose the damage side of it!

@@ishirutaekakura308 They added it to warrior instead

While watching the Live Letter, that was very apparent. They said there was a heavy debate over Summoner and almost took away the rez. I agree with you, I dont think they know what to do with that job.

​@@bobcharlie2337lmao rez is one of the few reasons i even play summoner which on itself is kinda sad if it's one of the main reasons i pick that job lol

….this team made FFXVI where the main character is a bad ass summoner They could have done way better than giving Dawntrail Summoner a shiny seahorse and calling it bladed Bahumut

@@bobcharlie2337 like, you have an entire base of smn players who are all almost UNANIMOUS in what we want from the job but the dev team is slapping solar bahamut on the job and calling it quits. there's NO reason we shouldn't be able to summon ramuh/shiva/levi by now, the story is QUITE clear that the wol is OP and had godly amounts of aether.

I think everyone was like, yeh not expecting much. Wait ODIN?? oh, meh.

It got a new Summons which means an expanded attack.

@@ruthnovena40 Which is just a third Bahamut with no real differences. It'll have an Enkindle ability, Astral Flow ability and either a singletarget or AoE filler...

I would have even been fine if they made it to were you only needed to do 1-2 attacks per summon Arcanum, for ifrit, garuda, and titan, then give summoner a gap closer like everyone else and not have it tied to damage or ifrit, and then you rotate through bahamut, phoenix, and alexander more quickly.

@@Kiobao I don't think SMN needs a gap closer, because so much of it is instant cast, and you don't need to do all the attacks the summons provide. But I am VERY salty we didn't get Alexander.

​@@Tiypo1337i would have been fine with literally any particularly powerful primal the WOL has fought (or at least come into contact with)! Anima would have been a cool idea, for example. but I agree that demi-Alexander would have been the perfect fit in terms of a.) power and b.) contrasting with the demis we already have. perhaps its astral flow would have been an AOE damage mitigation or enemy debuff the way that demi-phoenix's is a heal? idk, a gal can wish. but given that solar bahamut doesnt seem to be a primal we've ever been slapped in the face with the aether of im going to go with "meh" and go back to my other true love, red mage

O .O Raiju incident in 6.0 was not fun as a fellow NIN main

@@randomaether That was a slight hiccup! They fixed that pretty quickly!

Added Lionheart just in time to lose Rough Divide... we will never have the full set of Renzokuken finishers...

Yeah...I felt like SGE was the winner out of the healers between getting a new nuke that isn't tied to another existing cooldown and the aforementioned AoE DoT that'll give them something to do other then mindlessly mash on Dykrasia in dungeons. Though Eukrasian Dykrasian seems to actually stack with Eukrasian Dosis as you can see the latter expiring on the target dummy shortly after the former is applied. Unfortunately, it's probably not going to be an Aero III situation where it's worth using even in single target scenarios.

Yet all of that doesn't matter when the majority of relevant fights are single-target. If anything it dumbs down a mini phase where you'd try to put as many dots as possible. Still, it was kinda useless anyway. So yes, it's not impactful, it's a boring addition, but still welcome since it adds to eukrasia, which is a good mechanic which should have had more from the start. And all in all, this is an irrelevant addition if healers remain the same state.

@@teno777 shhhhhh!!!! Quit complaining before yoshi p takes away the dots and puts an aoe effect on dosis/broil/glare/malefic!!!

@@Sazandora635 yeah, but at least it let's me spin one more plate when the easy content inevitably gets to snooze fest levels of engagement. because what msq trial/dungone ever was tight enough that healers doing a sub optimal gcd every 30s or so mattered?

The healer changes honestly feel huge this expansion

I definitely agree. I'm unsure what to think about these changes. The way mana is build up and spent works really really well right now. But these changes... I don't know...

I came here to say this. I saw in the trailer that I got basically all of the changes I wanted minus upgrades to verfire and verstone so I'm happy.

RDM main here. I actually like the changes they made. You either adapt to the new rdm or put down the fancy hat and rapier.

​@@JoseLopez-us7zo *sad Viera noises * Well, I really like my pointy stick, so we have to wait and see how things pan out ^^

For a start, maybe they could make Sprint not consume Dualcast? And make it so that a Verraise or Vercure doesn't completely destroy your combo with no way to pause it? You are losing a ton of DPS by performing any utility anyway. I have no idea why they designed it to punish you for using the kit they gave you. These are changes EVERYONE should agree with.

The issue with that idea is that the HW Summoner Job quests explicitly goes out of its way to deconfirm Ramuh. Also... how exactly would that change the gameplay in a way that people who currently dislike SMN's gameplay would find satisfying?

​@TheIvoryDingo summoner need some cast time lol. I think samurai might have more cast time currently. Other summons would just be cool overall. Shiva dimond dust that afflict slow on enemies would be nice

​@TheIvoryDingo we've had an entire rejoining since that questline

@@TheIvoryDingo Does it deconfirmirm? It seemed to me that it said that the summoner needs to be stronger to summon a stronger primal. They could make something up.

​​​​@@Dianbler Afaik they did say WoL's aetherial limit got reached as far as egi's went at said point in time, hence they went into dreadwyrm trance, using themselves as a conduit. This is disproven right now due to the egi's being literal primals + Bahamut and Phoenix having been added since, also Solar Bahamut. Also Omicrons in Ultima Thule confirming the amount of aether you are wielding is quite bonkers and simply illogical in case of our SMN. So, I would say it's plausible.

Gauges in general could do with a lot more important information. Warrior should have Storm's Eye, Samurai should have both buffs and so on.

@@Auesis and pld should get a full on new use of the gauge

​@@AuesisI think thats what they are doing with MNK especially their new gauge

@@Auesis Eh, sam buffs are pretty much redundant at this point. They're up almost permanently with no effort. I do agree with that idea though, since drk's buff/ nin's huton have their own gague.

That sounds like a bad UI design to me, honestly. You should be able to see your buffs, debuffs, HP, MP and job gauges at a glance. Even better if you have the Boss' cast bar close to that too. Experiment a bit with your UI and you'll find out you can do much, much better.

Yeah i feel that Maybe they could have even linked a summon into that too

who's Kyle

smn is fine

@@elvangulley3210 SMN is not fine. They took what was viewed as the most complex class in the game, made it the least complex; then instead of listening to the community on where to progress the reworked class, they gave us "Solar Bahamut". No complexity reintroduced; No Demi-Alexander; No Levithan, Ramuh, or Shiva. And to top it off, it will take 4 MINUTES to do a full rotation, this could very well kill SMN's ability to solo harder old content. You could pretty reliably time Phoenix to restore HP in difficult parts, but now you won't even have your 1st healing window till the point you would be seeing your 2nd before.

@@Tiypo1337 Least complex? That goes to Warrior currently until we know for certain it will have less of a braindead boring rotation. But on the topic of Summoner, it is fine it plays well, yes I miss the old Summoner but there were definitely issues with it, that if they had only just made changes, but instead completely changed the rotation and kit, yes I would love if had different gem summons, to throw variety into there. Of course not everything is final or all information is shared, a job action trailer won't tell you how the job is going to perform or even show every single thing that's changed either. As for the solo content, it is what it is, but it's not confirmed that it will ruin it for that content either. I never understood this doomsaying mentality. To add though, while I'm a fan of busy jobs with a lot going on and such, I don't see the issue in a simple job so long as it's not broken.

@Tiypo1337 new flash the majority don't want needless complexity go cry somewhere else for your torture porn they listened to the fans and made smn a great job finally

Yeah summoners hit this expansion. doesn't seem like there will be any difference in gameplay from 90-100 given that solar baha will probably play exactly the same as regular baha and phoenix, pressing deathflare then spamming 1 button for 15 seconds

Lega muncher alegations were not beaten

@@brycemoose7026 I nearly bashed my skull in after seeing that.

Oh that job will be dead for a while, but brought back eventually. You always get kicked for being AFK in the first few weeks/months after an expac launch.

Mostly agree - honestly, the only thing I'd want to see them do with RDM is to give them a little more melee to balance things out between the spell slinging and the sword fighting (which was how the job was designed in older games, though I am aware that XIV has done things with other jobs to make them more unique to this game specifically). That's my personal preference, though, and I'm happy with how the class works regardless.

Yeah I felt funny about that statement too, it made me feel, as someone who felt pretty positively about a lot of jobs, like the team lacked confidence in their job design philosophy

​@@RinBanana I think they did say something like this ealier though. That 7.0 would be the start of a new direction but no huge sweeping changes would be made yet. Which is why a lot of people thought the jobs wouldn't change much

I felt it was more this is what is coming up. 7.0 was graphics and backend systems like dyes and 8.0 will be a big look at classes.

I'm out of the loop, what did the live letter say about the future?

You're not the only one, but they'd have to wait until they decided to not launch any more jobs before they could release something like this. Imagine having to update the case every few years for new stones.

Gonna say they have versions of them on the square Enix store last I checked a year ago or so. Just checked. They have them as magnets. Or you can get a pin with the job insignia on it with dps, tank or healer colors.

@@TifaTakeuchiLol, it literally isn’t an issue at all, just make a bigger box, it’s nothing special.

living shadow wasnt complex at all. it was just hold onto blood after around 20ish seconds left.

It was in heavy downtime phases were you had to meet the quota to use it, not hard but still, an option

​@@Xero-rr2olthats still something rather than nothing

None of the tanks look interesting in DT. Dark knight was slightly more interesting than warrior, now both look completely braindead and uninteresting.

Not to mention TBN is still the worst 25 sec mit come EW and DT, We now get less mana, and our burst might be significantly weaker due to lack of plunges, and half a edge, so bassically DRK may not do damage anymore with the potency buffs the other tanks got and we may not get compensated. I wouldve quit tank this expansion if it wasnt for all my friends moving jobs to dps so gunblade i go

Yeah i feel the same about warrior, the job feels great so just giving us a couple of extra bonks and better mitigation is perfectly fine by me.

If one did not do the raid questline, WoL did not know about Alex's existence.

Removing job quests and replacing them with role quests was my least favorite part of FFXIV's new expansions. I literally have levelled jobs so that I can see their job questline because the stories and lore was interesting :( Edit: I mean, shadowbringers had really interesting lore but it kind of dropped off in endwalker if I recall correctly

There's probably a lore thing about Solar Bahamut, but honestly I would've preferred something different if being honest.

As a fairly new player, I was kinda bummed to learn they quit doing job quests at a certain point :(

lol I'm the opposite ... I can't stand scholar ... so I get a free healer leveled for leveling my SMN ....

I raise you: Rpr forced outfit change

@@OathOblivio yes but with reaper that’s what you sign up for. I’ve been a scholar main since stormblood and never had to deal with a forced glam before. Considering i’m a male roe the forced glam is something I’m not looking forward to.

They missed a big opportunity to give us Titania's wings.

As a SCH main since ARR, I'm also concerned. One of my two biggest problems with SCH is the amalgamation of aesthetics. Honestly, just about everything else in the trailer looked meh. However, that Seraphism outfit change is completely out of left field and the look is so weird. What happened to our military tactician that we have been promised since ARR? So far, all we've gotten is goofy schoolgirl outfits with big boots and silly hats. Now we turn into an angel? What's worse is that it looks like some of the skills displayed seem to be dependent on it. Also, the fact that our new AOE dot is a follow up to Chain Stratagem is so annoying when SGE gets one that can be spammed with Eukrasia. It makes me feel like they got Miasma 2 and we got yet another stupid version of something we already had.

Probably not the best to assume but it's probably a upgrade over most players glam I see anyway, not a big deal though.. Kind of a weird thought to be bothered by.

Harpe is never used since well... it's a ranged attack. It's only used during the 2 second pre-pull timer and then you want to avoid it like the plague. If you want to use an uptime skill for range it's usually coming down to harvest moon. Besides they did the same thing showcasing harvest moon by jumping back through the portal during the endwalker job action trailer.

If they went through with what they did with wyrmwind thrust in pvp, that’d be a fantastic yet unusual addition. Ie, jump back and do more damage from a distance with this skill.

right? Astro is the only healing class that I like .... so I'm hoping the changes aren't too extreme...

with them going more away from time magic aesthetics, it makes me wonder if we will get an actual proper time mage in some way.

An actual time mage job? Yes please lol

The "dead" part is pretty tongue in cheek based on what I've heard people in the community saying if they don't like a change. I don't think any job is actually dead, there are just a few that didn't receive changes i liked!

I play RDM and SMN, and I definitely think both are dead. There's a difference between "playable" and even "enjoyable" and "dead". Dead insinuates that the jobs have gotten no meaningful updates or have blaring, unaddressed issues for a significant amount of time. RDM was an underperformer for basically all of EW after the devs took their quite good DPS balancing from Shadowbringers and threw it out the window. In addition, RDM got no compensation buff for even prog scenarios in EW often just wiping the party or putting them in an unrecoverable DPS state because of body checks. Despite this, it was quite good in Extreme content and below where you didn't always wipe to a failed mechanic, but also the DPS checks were basically non-existent so they shouldn't be balancing around it. Meanwhile SMN went from one of the most complex jobs in the game to the least by far. It required half of the effort of red mage, but oftentimes did upwards of ten percent more damage than it even in the hands of casual players. SMN mains complained, caster mains complained, devs did nothing to even attempt to remedy the issue while potentially even keeping its casual play style. Stagnant, only getting preference over BLM in a lot of situations because BLM is harder, Dead.

@@Qorani_VTI’d add on that Dark knight getting multiple points of complexity removed while seemingly getting nothing in it’s place also fits the term “dead” pretty well. We certainly aren’t beating the “warrior clone” allegations this expansion.

Well healers have been dead for years, and for some reason they’re alive in this video so…

Okay, I think my definition of what makes a job "dead" was pretty bad, I'll definitely admit. I think whether or not a job is dead is more or less related to what I mentioned earlier regarding the changes - in context to their current quality of life and design. For example, I'd think that DRK would be on the rocks if they took the current complaint that it's really busy and just added even more random things to throw during burst windows. In the same vein, if they limited healer DPS options further or something, I think there would be issues. The current fact of the matter is that casters were in a really bad situation for most of Endwalker - for various reasons. BLM more or less got fixed because they pumped its damage through the roof. RDM currently has issues with current fight design and Verraise taking up a disproportionate amount of it's power budget. SMN needs another resource or mechanic to bring it in line with the rest of the game's job complexity. People have been complaining about it for years, but no content creators have really mentioned it since the other week. I'm not saying that other jobs or roles don't need some help, but magical ranged in general is in arguably the worst state in the entire game and the devs responded by giving the problem children an ogcd on their raid buffs each and Bahamut a new paint job. Like, something needs to happen.

I’d say at least give it a shot, I suffered through the EW scholar preview memes and its still my favorite class, expedience turned out to be one of my favorite buttons. That said i did get free summoner levels with scholar and i have zero desire to play it over black mage.

They heard us loud and clear about Carbuncle Glamour and gave us a Bahamut Glamour too!! Game changer! And then they gave the Moogle Summon and Madeen at home to Pictomancer.

If the gameplay of solar baha was different I wouldn't be bitching so much. But in the trailer the gameplay is literally identical to regular bahumut just hitting deathflare twice then flare spam for 15 seconds like what's the point lmao

@@brycemoose7026 yuppers. wtf

​@@brycemoose7026 I think players were hoping for after you use a big summon we would get another set of gem summons in Shiva, Ramuh and Levi leading up to a capstone summon like Odin or Alexander. A searing light followup and Bahamut 2 isn't what we were hoping for. Especially now that we know the loop will be 3 Bahamuts and then Phoenix. And most fights last less then 4 minutes.

It no longer deals damage so the busy burst window has 2 less mandatory weaves, and it's a teleport so automatically looks way cooler. WIn for me.

@@Auesis no. teleport does not look cooler.

Lots of people have been asking for gap closers to lose potency so you can keep them for utility, rather than saving them for damage. I don't think it's an "asinine" change

Less APM, I would take it if they gave us another OGCD, I like the busy burst windows, is what differentiates DRK from WAR

Yup. DRK is my second main and that is the main thing that stood out to me. Hopefully it's a secondary ability, and not a replacement.

it was the worst dive tho

@@deadline6149 how? its an instant gap closer with decent damage

​@@NicholasAllen15Gap closers shouldn't do damage. Thats been a player sentiment for a while. It needs to be a utility not something your forced to use.

@axis1247 I agree, actually. My question is why can't that gap closer just be a jump instead of ANOTHER shoulder check

@@axis1247 but also by that count, Dragonfire should be gone too. It can be used as a gap closer same with spineshatter

The DRK rework in Shadowbringers made me quit, glad to see years later nothing has been done about it. SE hates DRK.

Thank you! My words exactly!

cuz you are meant to use dragonfire dive in burst not as a gap closer, cuz well thats a obv dps loss, spineshatter being changed into a true gap closer being it has no potency tied to it is functionally and objectively a better design than spineshatter dive

@@Kirianda class being less fun to play is not better design, and the dash looks stupid on dragoon.

Pretty much this. I watched the trailer and was initially hyped, which I still am. However, after hearing that they removed timers and figuring out how the new gauge potentially works, prior to other discussions, I've grown more sceptical. I'll either enjoy it or be annoyed that it's less flexible than it is now

But your rotation is already super static, this doesn't change that. It was dragon kick to demolish, then bootshine combo to snap pinch then kick to snap, boot to demo. 1 demo per 2 snap punches. There was already a set rotation that you had to follow so I don't get this view

Optimal drift wants to differ​@@skylarsimes8

MNK at high lvl of play had a lot of options, unlikely so with this changes

@@skylarsimes8 That's the looping rotation. Most higher level monks used optimal drift like randomaether said. Plus little things like the 2x/3x DK into SSS before downtime or allowing your dot to fall off if you don't have time to get enough potency out of refreshing it, or double dotting, they're dead. So are a lot of more specific fight to fight optimisations. It seems like the higher end of the job has been gutted in favour of accessibility for people picking the job up.

devs are just playing favorites with the tanks at this point. I've built up an unhealthy amount of dislike for Warriors.

​@@rasrandir Why for Warriors?

Its fitting GNB and DRK are the weave heavy Tanks..

Everyone in the raid: Now you have no excuses, MOVE!

I imagine it will be MP on ice cast and umbral soul also just gives mp for downtimes.

Because it's an incredibly boring button to press and as it's disconnected from every other part of the kit it slows down gauge generation enormously in any content with downtime. You can easily make double shroud possible without its existence eg. allow normal combo under shroud.

It's gotta be because they don't really play reaper. DD is a vital part of the kit, and the point where you start appreciating DD is when you've actually started to understand how the job works.

It's so weird. content creators always complain about the simplicity of jobs. But then celebrate when friction points are removed and constantly ask for buttons that actually add a tiny bit of thinking to the job get removed. It's not a complicated button. But removing it would defo make the job easier and more boring

Having mained smn in aspho, I wanted a radical change to post-demi minutes. Keep the gems for bahamut, but do something different for post-phoenix phases.

I miss when my summons actually did something versus looking cute on the battle field lol SMN is a one two three combo class. I hate it lol I’m leveling it up now and feel the same power I felt in endwalker but no real complexity to the job itself. 😭😭 it sucks. I’ll level it to 100 and never touch it again..

Yep, DRG's future looks very grim without Dragon Gauge and LotD management. Tbh, I think all people who think that those changes are good for DRG either don't actually play it or never tried to optimize in high end content.

@@pryanik1337 or we dont want needless complexity for complexity sake

@@elvangulley3210 bruh, Dragon Gauge management isn't that complex to completely cut it out and give nothing in return. And there is already way too much braindead jobs in every role, so go play them instead if you enjoy that slop.

@@pryanik1337 no you go play something else you are the one crying about it your kind is killing the game

@@elvangulley3210 that's the thing. There won't be anything left for me to play because of Square's decision to simplify every job in the game. You guys have more than enough dumb jobs (and this number grows with every expansion), but there probably won't be any "complex" job left for people like me.

Naaahh you were creating difficulty managing jank.same with BRD songs in DSR and TOP (I cleared TOP on BRD). These are the forms of "skill expression" that have no place in the game tbh. Like it was always unfun to overwrite your rotation to line it up later. BLM same thing with transpose lines. That stuff should have never existed

@@shakeweller "Transpose lines shouldn't exist" might win the prize for the worst take on FFXIV I've heard all year.

@@shakeweller Making changes like this almost make it so there is little to no skill expression at all though. Look what they did to SMN. It is so straightforward that to get a good parse is almost purely crit rng at this point. It's things like DRG eyes that actually change the way you do your rotation for alot of fights depending on downtime rather than just doing the striking dummy rotation.

@@MyChannelsNameIs Cry about it. BLM job fantasy is doing a fire and ice rotation. It's good that it's gone for the game. Same thing for downtime management on BRD or DRG. That was unfun AF to do like bursting during Mages ballad just so you can transition into p6 with Apex Arrow. Cringe. If you enjoy that cutting edge optimization you're probably the top 0.1% anyway which should never be considered for job design anyway. DRG is still difficult to play, nothing changes besides caring about using Geisrokul before Mirage dives to line up big dragon form. That is such a minor simplification that I really do not understand why people complain about it. It also never mattered outside of ultimare phases with downtime which only 2% of the playerbase even does.

@@mistyotr4631 I get it to some extend. Trust me. But the changes literally affect ultimates with extended downtime. That is so incredibly nieche.

You can see in the DRK showcase after they use Delirium that the next 3 hits give 10 gauge apiece, and the ones after don't give any. After the 3rd hit you can see the small aura exhaustion as the buff disappears

@@RinBanana ah ye good one, but ye I still think it'll recover more mana, or they tweak potency, which I'd prefer the former than the latter

they literally had to remove plunge cuz DRK dmg was too high, so ye that won't be a issue

@@deadline6149 they removed « plunge » from gnb and drk, I’d say I see a pattern

@@deadline6149 It wasn't because damage was high, it was because they weaved too many skill and it became clunky. Same reason they consolidated BW and Delirium. I'd have kept plunge and instead done something about Salted Earth being 2 button presses instead.

DNC might be the best high ping job in general.

Dancer skill reads more like what ninja got last expansion, a really weak dance that just applies standard used for recovery

All healers still dead in a ditch unfortunately. It looks like there might be some welcome additions regarding dps but I’m extremely dubitative until I see it. And again in regards to dps, they have the perfect nervous recipe in pvp so who knows…

Hopefully you can disable the effect because as if we didn’t have enough robes already…

Reaper had the same thing for all of EW and I never heard anyone complaining that the black robe prevented them from doing mechanics.

I just don’t want my male roe to get forced into frilly robes tbh, nothing wrong with them but its not my style.

@@TheVenhammer I didn't even think about it like that. I now think that that is a horrible design idea I hope they do something

Nvm I see it now the blue glow

Yes, this exactly, give us SOMETHING, with the removal of the eye the gauge looks like a job that's sub-70, and let's be real looking cool is really important for jobs like Dragoon

Yeah, DRG needed a gauge rework not a rotation change. This change isn’t good removing the last bit interaction within the class making it a bloat job. Soon it be as bare bones as Summoner in terms of mechanics.

But LotD management was still interesting tho, without it I don't see any reason to play DRG anymore. Like, there's literally nothing else to do besides LotD.

That would be very interesting to see, I didn't think of if the %s had changed

From what it seems, they aren't in Dawntrail, but we'll have to wait on tool tips for 100% confirmation

Leviathon leviathion :(

Could've also just outright changed which 3 gems you got from different demis, making every 2nd minute different from each other and from the odd minutes.

@@MyVanir That would be fun, Change the 3 core summons. Fenrir for Earth to replace Titan. Syldra, Ixion or Ramuh for Air/Elec to relpace Guarda. Lastly Kjata, Brynhildr or Belias for Fire to replace Ifrit considering Pheonix is already there. Leviathan could work instead for fire as the other fire summons are niche and aren't well known. Changing the fire gem to water gem to indicate what loop you're on. I do think Kjata and Ixion would work better due to being animals keeping wild primal thing going on. despite Kjata being multi-element in FF7.

I main sch and am in love with the transformation i mean compared to summoner i feel we had nothing with flare like them at all atm we got the regular faries and seraph who did nothing too mayor and lasted so little i am happy that we got something like a transformation though i would still have loved that we could have gotten more fairies that did diferent stuff since sch do derivate from the summoner role

The sch glam argument is the most asinine nonsense ever. Anyone who makes that complaint deserves to be perma-locked to zoom-in to the point of the character taking the full height of the monitor when playing scholar, so they can look at their glam in instances. It won't change much, since they are constantly paying attention to that, right?

@@MyVanirgod forbid people want to keep their character in clothing they like in an RPG.

@TheVenhammer if you dont like transforming just dont use the skill often and use it as a oh shit button and done bur crying over a skill that transform you for not even the majority of the fight is downright stupid i don't see reaper mains crying over them transforming to edge incarnate

As I said above, I felt it was more this is what is coming up. 7.0 was graphics and backend systems like dyes and 8.0 will be a big look at classes.

I don't know, I kinda like resource management so seeing that core part of MMO classes gone... what will replace it? Because atm they just remove things with every expansion while adding nothing interesting.

Summoner is the only job where I was baffled by the update. They don't even have the excuse of "we didn't want to make a new model for Ramuh/Moogle/Leviathan/etc."

For being dead (it’s allready called so in EW), do I see Smn very often in raids.^^ It’s true, that they could have added more new stuff. But I doesn’t see stuff, that maked him worse.

@@hasseo195 yeah dead is def wrong word, its a super popular casual job

​@@hasseo195 the thing is if you ask half of the summoners you see in a raid to play another job, they'll crumble under the weight of playing a job with an actual rotation while doing mechanics. Summoner was also one of the most popular when it was the hardest class in the game to play

​@@tatersalad76That's not true, you're acting as if this game is hard, everyone can do rotations.

I don't really think any job is dead. I hoped for more from the Red Mage changes than what we got, but if you very much enjoy current RDM it'll stay mostly the same!

I have absolutely no idea, it’s possible it could be linked to the Dawntrail story but I’m in the same boat as you

I suppose it looks KIND OF skmilar to Bahamut in ​stranger of paradise

​​@@RinBananaI think it's a reference to ff9/ff12 or whatever FF this expansion is based off of.

@@RinBanana Best idea I have is that Dalamud effectively acted as a giant solar battery.

@@RinBanana it's pretty clear if you look at the effects and think about the name, Solar, as in the opposite of Lunar Bahamut. it's clearly a Hydaelyn Bahamut.

My issue with Astrodyne was that it's a solution to the problem of powerful yet random card effects being a nightmare to balance around. So they reduced the impact of the cards' effects and vested their power in Astrodyne. This works by giving the card system a more selfish reward, but caused the job's identity to shift away from what people originally loved. I understand why it exists, and I think it was an effective solution, but I fundamentally do not like what it meant for the job or how it felt to play around.

You kind of replied to your own question there. If only 1 of the three buffs mattered, why are there 3? :D

@@kingvelard I feel like I missed a memo somewhere. I've played AST as a main with my WHM pretty much since release, and I honestly never once felt an "identity shift" and actually liked Astrodyne. I just hope they're shifting the mana recovery elsewhere if removing astrodyne, as well as maybe increasing potencies to make up for its loss as well

I don't even know where to start with this one. But don't worry, SE didn't know where to start with the job either. That's why they made this new four oGCD draw 60s. The real question is will the cooldown be a secret like the current minor arcana? Only time will tell!

Astrodyne was bad, it makes no sense to me that you don't see that.

It's okay, job is still fun but my gosh I would love to see some bigger functional changes

@RinBanana that is true,I will admit that some functional changes can be of use and even make it look even prettier than it already is,but I think it falls under a "Alligator treatment",it works well enough there hasn't been a need to change,at least in the eyes of the developers

I was hoping for more buttons to press during non-burst phase. Something more than just 1-2-3 until my cooldowns are back. Instead they take away one of the coolest animations in the game for a button you might press once or twice outside of a dungeon.

Summoner doesn't lose any of their summons. Every minute you get one of Phoenix, Bahamut, or the new Solar bahamut, and Ifrit, Titan and Garuda are still the intermediary gemstones