You got one fact wrong. This movie is NOT based on the book Pride and Prejudice. It is a remake of the 1940 movie, THE SHOP AROUND THE CORNER, staring James Stewart and Margaret Sullavan.
I agree that Joe isn't actually a bad guy. Given how his grandfather and father had a history of remarrying multiple times, throwing his inheritance down the drain, it's a miracle that he turned out decent and sensitive. Also, he's clearly worried about hurting Kathleen, especially when she starts crying during the last scene.
What still doesn't sit right with me is how heartbreaking it was for her to lose her mom's store. I'd have a hard time falling for a man who did something as big as that to me even if he didn't intend to hurt me.
Yes! Thnak you. it wasn't about him not telling her about the email thing, it's that he literally shut down her mum's bookstore and was gloating to her about it.
And then minimizes her feelings by saying, “how can you forgive him for standing you up and not forgive me for this small thing of… putting you out of business” Like, even if that’s tongue in cheek, it’s super douchey
A bit late but maybe the "in-movie" explanation for Fox' cavalier attitude is that he is trying to treat her like an equal/peer. The douchiness is a bit amplified for comedy, and I get the impression that Fox could sit down and listen to her thoughts and properly empathize
Totally fair feeling! I love this movie and do you think they make a charming couple but yeah. If you went through something like this in real life, it would be hard to just fall head over heels when you have this kind of attachment
I found it realistic that while Joe and Kathleen's then partners briefly meet during a party, they don't hook up with each other, or meet beyond that point.
I never watched this movie but I have to say that I feel that everyone has some toxic traits. What’s important is recognizing your toxic traits and holding yourself accountable. I feel like a lot of people refuse to acknowledge their toxic traits and it starts to get worst because of their lack of accountability. Only you can change yourself not anyone else. I’m going to check out this movie today.
Highly recommend this movie, especially at the holidays, but I came up in the golden era of rom-coms lol. You've Got Mail (and Love Jones) I've watched repeatedly; just a classic.
I would rather call them negative traits or failings. Failings are where you don't have the innate personality traits to change or the skills because of childhood trauma or neglect. For example a shy person can act a little less shy but will never be an extrovert. Toxic is where somebody behaves in a negative way over and over again & deliberately despite being called out on it. Toxic people know how to push your buttons which they will do often. Decen people you don't know well may accidentally push them & never again.
I’ve seen You’ve Got Mail about 30 times! It was my favorite rom-com while I was in high school. It’s truly a cute movie with some pretty good life and personal lessons in it as well.
@@lemsip207 it’s certainly an old movie and didn’t age well. But is really charming, you get to see new york in the late 90s and is fun to watch. I always end the movie wanting to have a pen pal. Definitely recommend it.
As someone who absolutely loves You’ve Got Mail, even considering Joe’s dubious behaviour, I clicked on this video so fast. Glad I did. It articulated some great ideas, and maybe even some subconscious reasons I had for “forgiving Joe”. Nice take!
It was during the reign of Giuliani. Say what you will about him, Rudy was responsible for cleaning up NYC. Sadly, present leadership is seriously lacking.
I'd like to argue I don't know if Kathleen's attempts to be nice, it's so genuine, I think she always thought she needed to be nice, because she owned a children's story store, that this is expected of her (and women in general), this delicacy and sensitivity, and she always lost a little of her agency and voice because of that, And Joe comes along, and he shows her, you don't always have to be *that* nice, she stand up for herself, she make her voice to be heard. They made each other be better person.
I think interacting with Joe help her realize that her niceness IS a choice, not something that she's doomed to always respond with because of her upbringing/role as you point out. Finding her voice and discovering that she is capable of meanness just as much as anyone else is a catalyst for helping her realize that actually isn't who she wants to be. Having the perfect biting wit DOESN'T actually align with her values, so despite longing for that ability for so long, she finally understands it isn't worth it either and can choose kindness more genuinely. He helps her realize the grass isn't always greener, and she helps him realize that the only way he can ever water his own grass is from emotional honesty and vulnerability.
It’s also largely based on the play The Parfumerie, about two coworkers who spar with each other but don’t realize they’re pen pals. It was also adapted into the musical She Loves Me.
My all-time favorite rom com! Watched it uncountable times. Couldn’t agree more on your take on Joe and the inner lives perspective. I’m sure Nora Ephron would’ve loved to see this video.
The movie is actually a remake of the 1940 movie "The Shop Around the Corner," not pride and prejudice. Though, one could argue that most enemies to lovers are a loose reimagining of Lizzie and Darcy lol.
I had never really thought about when people say “It’s nothing personal” as a way of comforting the person they’ve wronged. It’s really weird. Like if someone treated me badly, why should I care about their feelings towards me? Does it make it better if they’re indifferent?
I kind of forgive him at the end just because this is a movie about privileged people and all of Kathleen friends (kind of her family, from the shop) don't have problems after losing their job, but this man actually makes her lose her job 😅 and we are talking about a woman he claims to love... Like... Ok you say you are sorry and all but you had a choice and you choose to ruin her 😅
what choice did he have? whenever big businesses are setup in an area , small businesses are bound to get affected....and frankly he was in love with the Shopgirl on internet and once he found out who Katheleen was in real life he started to know her more personally...
Her business was already failing (we get comments about it before Fox Books enters the picture). Furthermore, the store's closing enabled her to find her own dream. She confesses to NY152 that she sometimes felt like she was living someone else's life, and she was. The shop was her mom's dream, not hers. And while having the store kept her close to her mom and kept her alive, it was arguably holding Kathleen back.
I will take ten Joe Foxes at his worst over even one of Greg Kinnear's character. Dude literally wakes Kathleen up by yelling about people playing computer Solitaire in another state. He's an ass.
This movie is so perfect 🥰😋. Saw it in the 90s at the cinema and have watched it about 1000 times since. It was such a perfect modern update to Pride & Prejudice. I loved all the side characters too. I just love Kathleen's fashion style also! She was so beautiful and classicly stylish in this movie! So charming & wholesome. Miss the 90s feel-good movies. Sleepless in Seattle is perfect too imho!
I'm a 42 yr old Midwestern dude, but... This movie is a classic. I've seen it so many times. Always chokes me up at the end. It's good to know that some things can still get through to this heart. :)
I can't be more happy with this video. This is one of my favorite movies of all time and had to watch ot at least once a year. However, in the last years I have been feeling guilty for liking it that much. So, thank you for this essay.
I think the algorithm is getting too smart when creators are uploading content about 24 year old movies the same day that they come up in my conversation.
Thank you for this video. I enjoyed this movie as a very young person. then several years back I saw a review that completely trashed this movie which made me think I shouldn’t like it or I should feel guilty for liking it. It’s nice to hear good things about movies again.
I 100% agree with all you’ve said and I think that’s why I’ve never hated him and adore this movie! Plus, Joe always came across as sincere to me. He never felt like this big manipulator or an uncaring businessman. I think it’s exactly what you said. He is a caring person in tune with his emotions, but he just thinks he has to be this businessman, because it was how he was raised and what’s expected of him. And when he dates Kathleen, you see him letting the corporate side of him really go away. I have always seen that by the end of the movie, he really does change and go through growth, and it makes me not hate him at all
this video is absolutely brilliant and I love your analysis.. most of the other videos are about Joe being a narcissistic sociopath and it seems like they were watching a different movie.. great job !
If I'm not mistaken this movie is also around the same time that Barnes & Noble started taking over small local bookstores. Don't know if Fox's is suppose to be loosely based off of that as well.
I love this movie. Mind you, my favorite relationship in it is a man and his dog. The relationships between the two brothers and aunt and nephew are pretty sweet too.
I love this movie. I’m glad you made a video about it. I like to think that in the end Kathleen became a successful child book author and Fox books closed because Amazon run them out of business.
You had it backwards, Darcy is the one with the prejudice, because Elizabeth family background, and Elizabeth is to proud to admit that she had feelings for Darcy.
Actually you are both right! Darcy was known for being proud and as a result he was prejudiced against Elizabeth's background but Elizabeth was first prejudiced against Darcy because of how he dismissed her at the Meryton Ball and by what Wickham said to her and then she was too proud to admit he had good qualities.
I love this movie. Well joe didn’t make her lose her job it was business. In the 1990s if you had a small bookstore in front of a Barnes and Noble it would fail. Plus she did get a job at the end it all worked out.
This movie was ahead of its time,know one went online to date people back them,so to have a film about it was kinda crazy.i just thought it was funny in a city that big they found someone right down the street come on.
I would really love to see an analysis of the treatment of groups labelled (by those with power or establishment-backing) as Bernie Bros, Taylor Swift’s cult and toxic Snyder-fans. How did it come about, what motivated it and whether or not the behaviour within these groups actually reflects the negative depiction of them in media. Please please consider it? 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
There is that greek tale of a leader dieing and was a strong leader and was famous for not being afraid of death so he is seen crying while dieing and they ask him whats wrong? He says if God ask why couldnt you be more like moses I will say im not Moses,but when God ask me why did you just be you? I will cry because i God will be right.
6:32 it is the other way around, ladies! Havent you read the book? Mr Darcy thinks the Bennets are ill mannered and way below him and his friends. That's the main reason he broken up Jane and her beau's courtship. And Lizzie is too proud to forgive him for that and also for the comment he made about her beauty at the dance 🙈🙈🙈
Of the three Norah Ephron written, Meg Ryan starring romcoms, When Harry Met Sally is my favorite and the best written, Sleepless in Seattle comes next- even though she ‘cheated’ and knew exactly who he was, it had a fantastic end. but this one is my least favorite. Too predictable and emotionally manipulative
Also, to all the communists in the comment section who haven't seen this movie, Meg Ryan's character's mom was General Franco's lover and Ryan justifies it that she was in love, but the loser boyfriend calls her mom out for banging a fascist.
You 've Got Mail is a wonderful feel-good romantic comedy that can be enjoyed by most ages and both sexes. Now you want to vandalize yet another cultural moment?
??? This video made me want to give "You got mail" a second chance. I saw it when it came out when I was younger and Joe's deception came off as sleazy. I was so turned off by it that I never watched it again and have been confused why people like it. Just because you weren't the target audience of this video doesn't mean its points are wrong. Joe is toxic in a lot of the movie. That's true for a lot of rom coms frankly.
@@jennifermanning8282 same for me. I didn't like how Joe made her shop shut down, which she loved so much and didn't understand how so many people liked it.
The Internet is a duality of (in)authenticity. On the one hand, it lets people find others simmilar to them and resources they need to get out of a bad community, be themselves, open up. As a gay or mentally ill person, I feel that a lot. But at the same time, it lets you manipulate your image, do harm, etc. It's all the good and bad that comes with anonimity and resources.
