You Can’t Sell Your Cybertruck and Nikon Buys RED 

Lol "got rid of the hole", I got bad news fellas

Env scientist here: You are both right about ozone because there are 2 types: good (stratospheric) and bad (tropospheric). Stratospheric prevents harmful UV radiation whereas tropospheric ozone is a greenhouse gas that prevents radiation from the Earth being able to pass into space thus causing global warming. Stratospheric ozone is produced naturally while tropospheric ozone is produced by humans. The Montreal protocol heavily regulated chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs -> the stuff in aerosols) thus the hole in the ozone layer has been making a miraculous recovery which is why you probably don’t here much about it anymore. Also interestingly enough we use ozone to disinfect our drinking waters sometimes since it produces less toxic disinfection byproducts than free available chlorine. Hope that helps!

The correct pronunciation is: "Nikon", not "Nikon"

Never be embarrassed of your keyboards Andrew. Remember Marques and To-do apps.

To put a few things right: 1. The whole „Nikon is dying“ thing came from some badly informed influencers etc who were trying to get views with clickbait videos / articles. 2. Yes, Nikon had ONE year of losses in 2020, partially because of COVID but mainly because of shutting down the Japanese factories and moving to Thailand, stopping production on some DSLR lines and not yet having enough mirrorless. 3. The Z 6/7 II were not ideal when they came out (just after the Canon R5 and R6) and didn’t allow Nikon to recover market share. 4. HOWEVER, the Nikon Z 9 has been extremely popular since launch and has seemingly gotten a lot of marketshare in the professional / high speed camera market, also launching it at $ 5500 which is 500 / 1000 below Canon Sony‘s equivalent model was a massive deal. 5. The Z 8, basically a mini Z9 with the same technology is even more affordable has been equally successful and considered to be one of the best hybrid cameras. 6. Nikon got sued first by RED for implementing NRAW which is a compressed codes based on TicoRaw‘s compression algorithm which sports industry leading efficiency! Nikon then sued back, basically questioning the validity and righteousness of the patent. The suit got eventually dismissed without prejudice. 7. Nikon is making significant profit with both their cameras and lenses and currently growing. Look at the current financial statements. Also, they acquired SLM a German company a market leader for industrial high tech 3D printing for $ 660 million, showing that Nikon has considerable finiancial resources. RED will have been significantly less then that.

Knob discussion as a Brit is.. funny to say the least

So honored for the shout out guys! Also glad Andrew got the pricing wrong, just imagine... lol🖤

This podcast is my serotonin at this point, whenever I need friends, I know I have the waveform podcast. I’ve literally been waiting the whole day. Thanks adam ❤

The McDonalds hot coffee lawsuit wasn't ridiculous, it's a popular misconception that litigation happy America allowed it to happen but the woman suffered extreme burns and McDonalds were found to intentionally make their coffee way too hot for consumption so it would last longer and they'd need to brew fewer times throughout the day.

"I want knobs!" ok, surely not the only british person finding this whole section hilarious? - love this podcast!

When Nikon released the Z6 it wasn't the same situation as the RED lawsuit. You had to pay a $200 upgrade fee and send your camera back to Nikon to enable ProRes RAW recording, which we all know is an Apple codec, and Apple pays that license fee to RED. The lawsuit really started with the Z9 and the NRAW codec that Nikon created with IndoPix. If video is just a series of stills, then RAW video is just a series of RAW photos, and every professional camera can take a series of compressed RAW photos. The patent should never have been granted. It's partially the fault of the patent office, but also RED. When filing a patent, you're supposed to disclose if use of the technology had been mentioned or used prior to the filing and it had. As for the lens rotation and Nikon, Nikon were making lenses before most companies. They used to make lenses before they made cameras and made lenses for Canon at one point in history, so I would argue that everyone else's lenses are rotating wrong. I look at it the same way you drive a screw; right goes in and left pulls out.

15:30 Nikon is not on their deathbed. They do more than cameras. In addition to buying RED, they also have Marc Roberts Motion Control (which I believe you guys use... right?). They manufacture medical imaging equipment. Also, best bit, and something I learned recently from a Nikon Rep: while Sony makes all the generic sensors for companies to retool and send to Sony for production, the fabricators that makes Sony's sensors are... made by Nikon! So whenever any Sony Pony uses the whole "Sony makes the sensors in your camera" argument, you can always tell them that the machines used to make those sensors were made by Nikon.

Nikon Z lenses have the ability to change focus rotation as well as the focus throw, so this should not be an issue for folks coming from Canon or Sony

0:32 that hole conversation started getting real funny as a opening bit.

From what I understand, Nikon historically have made a lot of their money through glass. I believe they make glass for a number of other companies too, and they used to even have Nikon lenses on other cameras (e.g. the Plaubel Makina). They took too long shifting their focus to mirrorless and that's largely the cause of their downturn, but the last year has seen a big uptick in their fortunes now that they're heavily focusing on it. The Z8 and Zf look to be very popular so far - the Zf is apparently one of the best-selling cameras in February in Japan. I've got a Z9 that I largely use for wildlife photography (an area that Nikon still dominate, in my experience, and they have by far the best telephoto selection), and its video spec is really, really good. The only things really missing are a better LOG profile (I hate grading the current one, compared to Panasonic's), and video-specific lenses. If the RED purchase means Nikon are gonna start churning out video lenses, we could be in for a bit of a treat.

I shot a short film about 10yrs back, on a RED with Nikon glass, and it was a surprisingly good combo, I'm sure there's opportunities for RED to get some amazing custom glass from Nikon. I also think Nikon started to return to form about 2yrs ago with the Z9 and then the Z8, which are both phenomenal cameras, (I shoot on Z9) and both sold really well. Hopefully it all works out well for both companies, more competition for Sony and Cannon should be good for everyone 🙌🏻

Loving my yt premium so far. Podcast listening while my phone is off and I laying on my bed eyes closed is so pleasant.

As a concert photographer, I will say I'm almost always the only Nikon shooter in the pit. It's usually Sony, with a Canon here or there. Also, Nikon isn't doing as poorly as you think.

I've been birding for the past two years and i can vouch for Nikon being an INCREDIBLE choice for birding. Nikon and Cannon are extremely popular in birding and sony is not that far behind. i use a Nikon D500 with Nikorr 200-500mm and a Sony A7III with a G 200-600mm

Awesome as always!! minor fix: 27:10, H2O has two hydrogen and one oxygen atoms.

Don’t snooze on Nikon Z8 and ZF. Def love to see the z mount Lens like the recently released 135 plena on RED cameras!

I need more MKBHD high end keyboard content in my life. Y'all have one of the best boards ever made in a custom color way. Dear God.

It's not true that the hole in the ozone layer is gone, but it's mostly healing and the remnants over the arctic is said to be fully closed in 10 years.

Hey Andrew, I'm loving que quick keyboard segments on the podcast! Watched the VOD on LMNO and its awesome when you get impressions on the team about keebs :) Keep it up!

Andrew's "I don't know" actually had me guffaw out loud. Something about your inflection on that sent me at 21:40

You guys always speak my languange, like listening to people who know exactly what I wanna hear about, thanks guys!

As an engineer, the discussion about ozone was making me absolutely furious. Please do some research guys and come back to this next episode. Anyways, love the podcast!!

David, the z8 and z9 is probably the best still camera to date.

Amazing Video Podcast guys I went looking for the site Ellis mentioned and definitely enjoyed listening to about dealerships as well. Thanks so much for sharing all the great information.Keep up the great work.✌️💯🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀

19:16 The PL standard was actually invented by ARRI in the 80s. But they opened it for everybody to use it. There is some proprietary communication build in with LDS but everybody else can use the mount passively no problem. LPL is the large format successor on Alexa LF, Mini LF and Alexa35

I love this group!You guys are so fun to watch and listen to.

In Red+Nikon segment while talking about internal RAW recording you should have mentioned Blackmagic RAW

18:50 You can change the direction in the menu settings. Obviously not for the physical lens mount, but for everything else like focus, etc. that’s just a menu setting.

God. Yes. I LOVE that Andrew is bringing in some super high end keyboards.

I listen to like 6 different podcasts every week and this is by far my favorite!

You & Southside Rabbi are literally the only podcasts I watch regularly. We need more black creators on RU-vid. So many smart people here lol. Keep up the hard work ya’ll. ❤️🙏🏻🔥

My brother and I bond over his love of sneakers and my love of keyboards so spot on comparison 😂

O3 isn't stable, it decays naturally and has to be continually reformed. This happens via the absorption of UV radiation, so "the ozone layer" doesn't really block UV radiation, large amounts of UV energy is absorbed by the formation of ozone from oxygen in the upper atmosphere. CFCs were so bad because they not only take this energy for their own chemical processes, but one of the products (chlorine gas) singlehandedly catalyzes the O3 -> O2 reaction that normally happens a lot slower. So CFCs stop the formation of new ozone while simultaneously speeding up the break-down of ozone gas.

2:55 that board sounds 🔥🔥🔥. WOAH.

An early Waveform in the UK is always a good think! Hope all OK with the fire outside recently too

Just wanna say I love the keyboard talks so please keep talking about them Andrew!

I also didn’t know about holding to pause a reel 😂 you’re not alone haha

Hi Andrew! I also had no idea how to pause reels so you're not alone 😂😂

Maybe I missed it, but I was expecting somebody to point out that Nikon now has global shutter technology. That might be a significant thing in the near future. And yes, Nikon is the smallest of the three. And it shows the most in marketing, which partly explains how the majority of starters don't really consider Nikon. But they are very profitable, also because Nikon doesn't only sell photo equipment, but is also heavily invested in the industrial optics. The first gen Z6 & Z7 were a bit of a disappointment, but the Z8 & Z9, "retro styled" ZF and no doubt the future Z6III are on pair with the competition, improving on them on some specs. The lens mount twist direction is a lame thing to whine about. Nikon has had it since the F mount saw light of day 65 years ago. Imagine Nikon deciding "no let's do it like Canon, they are the leader". That would not get a warm reception from its user base. At all. If you can use a new camera with different button placements, color science and menus.... you can learn a new direction to twist a lens or focus ring. We're all curious what the future will bring, even for me as someone who never uses the video mode on my Z cameras. Nikon is a big, old, traditional Japanese company with a specific culture and values. While RED is a small niche US company with its own mentality and pace. I'm interested in how this will work out.

Not that I support dealer markups, but as a point for Andrew's grocery store analogy, the same box of cereal can cost quite different prices depending on which grocery store you go to and, also, what part of the country you're in. Grocery markups are a very real thing.

You can just tell that that keyboard at the beginning was like 100 pounds by how he was holding it 😂

"The Power of Love" is a great song. Thanks for reminding me to add it to my Spotify playlist, David.

I think the biggest take away is that Nikon just bought a bunch of tech that they can include in their future Nikon lineups including REDs global shutter technology.

I bought a Loupedeck CT and a Tourbox Neo, that’s how I love knobs; I have countless uses for them.

1:05:55 BRO YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE good lord I didn’t know that either 😂

2:48 Props to the editor for this brilliant and hillarious typing audio moment while Ellis is having his moment. Cracked me up!😂

58:05 Here for team David. Count me in for #notiktok4life

55:56 yeah, exactly! I remember the PS5/Series X days! Damn it!

The bodega thing: both are true. One near me was bought by someone, who discovered the previous owners had stiffed every distributor in the state, so no one would do business with them. They would go to Sam’s Club or Costco for inventory. For about a year they simply didn’t have name-brand soda.

I live in Utah, I was listening to this at the gym a few days ago and I was walking out the door right when you were talking about how rare the cybertruck is, and I saw a tail light in the parking lot that looked kinda like a cybertruck, and then it turned to park and it was a cybertruck lol. I was baffled. Then I saw it 3 more times over the next 2 days.

26:52 lmao the Rollie!! at the end.

Awesome job marquee with the podcast

You are so ripped off in the US and you have no idea. Dealer markups, filing your own taxes, your healthcare costs and drugs. Insane.

Lossless compressed raw is basically a variation of a zip archive format, tailored to the structure of sensor data.

The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog

David's famous waveform lines "Yeah I think" or "I'm pretty sure that's right"

These guys talking about Nikon like they have nearly zero market share and that they're gonna turn around and degrade the quality of RED cameras... clearly have not used or held a Nikon camera in any serious depth. They manufacture extremely high quality pieces of equipment and glass. This move is gonna be good for consumers.

What's hilarious is years ago I thought of the exact opposite of what Tesla is doing where they basically say after you have had the car for about a year, they offer you to sign a contract where you can get a massive discount on your next car if you agree to buy from them. Could even opted into a small payment program see where you're slowly paying for your next vehicle years possibly even a decade before you buy another which would give you a massive discount on the actual vehicle in addition to whatever you paid for it in monthly payments.

I have an old Northgate Omnikey keyboard that I bought years ago with Alps switches. Very fine keyboard. Types better than I do.

Man, Marques!! You know what, I am going to write a special blog on my substack for you, just to clear the clouds of confusion around GHGs, radiations, and Ozone. Watch this space team...

For testing a keyboard, this sentence has every letter in it. "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog."

Been waiting for this all day

The no-flip rule isn’t intended to stop people selling their product for a profit. It’s intended to stop people buying the product for the sole purpose of selling it for a profit. The people most upset by this rule are not true customers, but opportunists.

I like David don't have a TikTok for the same reason, and as he said, shorts and reels still consumes me a lot, but for what I have heard about the algorithm of TikTok it's just better. So after a few minutes the reels or shorts that continue to show, they get so random and that keeps me from staying hours watching them

About the counter-intuitive "compressed raw": compression need not be lossy. It's often the case that we think we're losing information when compressing but this isn't always the case (take PNG images for instance). So if it's compressed raw, they're most likely using a lossless compression algorithm that is hopefully optimised for video. It's not really about "removing frequencies of light that our eyes can't even see". The compression here is most likely not discarding any data at all. The whole point of raw is to have that data precision that your eye doesn't even notice so that you can edit it freely *before* encoding it yourself (degrading it), avoiding artefacts and increasing editing possibilities.

"And they usually have a cat" lol I had to relisten a few times to catch that one 😂

1:08:00 Yep, they do have ads. They have ads everywhere!

I always fast forward the quick intro because i don't want spoilers.... Like being surprised

Bodega's definitely have... varied supply chains. I'm sure mine gets a lot from distributers, but they also sell Kirkland paper towels.

I think the reason why Spotify having music videos (similar to Apple Music) is sometimes artists release music videos with a different mix from the original release (that's why labels usually release a separate lyric video for the original mix of the song). This is just my guess though.

Knobs on keyboards yessss. I love my KeyChron Q3. I have a Mastodon numpad with 3 knobs too that is super useful for controlling music in the background.

1:05:57 Don't worry Andrew, I learned that just now too 😂

Andrew, I actually just had my wife show me about the hold-to-pause in stories thing the other day… you’re not alone, lol!

great episode guys, keep it up!

1. Tesla does have dealerships 2. the 'dealerships' you're talking about when referring to mark ups are franchises.

Andrew saying. "Am I that dumb" is such a soundbite🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣theyre definitely going to use that againt him inthe future

Woooo! Auto play had me covered and serve this up to me!! Hype!

RU-vid Music does the video/music tab thing that works pretty well most of the time, but sometimes has a slight lag when clicking over. Had to be Spotify's inspiration

45:53 you guys are completely missing why people order 2 Tesla and flip. They get the tax incentive and sell the car, getting thousands of dollars off for free (assuming they sell at least or more what they bought it at).

Volume knob on a keyboard is amazing.

As colorist. Red one or arri is all the same. What makes arri constantly winning Oscar for cinematography is reliability. Red one is famous for shutting down and software issues. Red one is amazing at slow mo, it has nothing to do with grading. Hence why music videos and music that use lots of slow mo tend to go with red one. Red one also tend to go towards digital look rather than filmic. Also lots of cinematographer are going back to film. Red one history has always been amazing at marketing and resolution. Arri history is very closely related to lots of film roots. Their rental house is everywhere and most camera operators is arri trained. Both camera are excellent, but nothing beats reliability of arri or panavision.

A bodega sounds like what we'd call a convenience store here. It's open at inhospitable hours but you'll pay more for stuff for the convenience of being able to buy stuff when other shops are closed

Knob on a keeb is so handy for volume and a quick mute.

13:36 it’s like when you go to the grocery store and they don’t charge you for an item. You notice but figure, I won’t say anything if they don’t.

Spotify concert are from the Spotify for artist page and as the musician you can add you concerts and tour as well as store and fundraising as well. Though all of that is set up by the actual artist on the Spotify for artist.

Guys I love how you slowly keep falling farther and farther off the deep end the second you digress. It leaves me cackling. 😂

mammoth75 has a very nice knob you can map it to pg up or pg down , volume whatever you like. A lot of great boards are out there

The shareholders are part owners of Tesla. It is different than being ‘a fan’ and buying merch. But when you buy a stock in a company, you are literally buying a share of the company, you co-own the company, most likely a very very small percentage, but you do co-own the company.

The Z9 and Z8 made a big splash for Nikon, so they're in a different space than they were just a few short years ago. Also, their cameras allow users to change the lens focus direction now.

"all that was causing the hole in the ozone layer was hairspray cans" haha no... refrigerants leaking into the atmosphere (HVAC, fridge, etc) played a big role

Here's a hot take! sell me the truck at the sticker price that was advertised 4 years ago and I won't sell the truck! but if you jack up the price especially with the foundation series also being jacked up $20,000 above that, so that's a 40k increase don't get mad at me for trying to sell the truck, then take that extra money and then buy another cyber truck later when the price is more reasonable!

Standard Volume knob can be replaced by a mouse with programmable buttons/wheel. (Logitech MX Master 3S)

38:00 the flipping is such an economics problem. I think the middle point is leasing, can't stop that.

Yeeeaaahhh I'm not sure about the Ozone Layer being fully healed... Ya need sunblock, sunglasses, an oversized hat, and a long-sleeve to hang two blankets out on the washing line in New Zealand... and you STILL get sunburnt to the point of looking like your logo... By the way, Great podcast :)

Nikon buying red is a move straight from succession, especially with the context of the lawsuits between the 2 brands