Thanks for sharing the project Tom! We're really excited about what the LumenPnP can do, and incredibly grateful to the wonderful community that has helped get it there.
Hey! I just wanted to say that your project has convinced me that my next step as a maker will be to make my own boards. I never thought this would be possible.
Having been following you for a little over a year I'm super excited to see you in errf! Your voice is rough tho, seems you've been having a lot of demos! Congrats!
I spoke with Stephen at ERRF, he is an incredible person who is obviously very passionate about his project. It was great speaking with Stephen as his knowledge on this in incredible. Very well explained and an awesome project. I hope their company does very well. Maybe someday I will take him up on his offer to come visit their office! haha
Why assign it only mid-scale and not also lower-scale? I could use such an machine for producing one single part a year, as SMD-soldering is and will ever be black magic to me, with my blind eyes and my shaky sausage fingers :P
MOOD LOL with my essential tremor i can barely do Welding/Soldering let alone *micro soldering and placement* Granted I’d probably have it at a makerspace so others could use it all the other days of the year, but I totally want one for this reason too lol.
I am glad to be part of the Opulo community! There are so many fantastic minds working together, sharing their mods and suggestions for this machine. Stephen and his team take the “truly” open-source aspect very seriously. It is great to see this project being recognized.
I work on pick-and-place and flip-chip bonding machines in the semiconductor industry and it's super awesome to see this kind of tech making it's way to the enthusiast space. Awesome work guys, keep it up!
Some of the people in the OpenPnp community have started using old Siplace feeders, myself included. If you drop one of those things on the floor, they will dent the floor.
Opulo just so cool and it’s been fantastic seeing it come together. Stephen is so enthusiastic and I’m grateful for all the work he and his team is doing!
Just absolutely awesome. I am surprised & yet not surprised this exists. The open source maker community is wicked. This is such a game changer. Now if I only had need to make one.
This video rather oversimplifies how difficult it is to setup, calibrate, program, and use any of these OpenPNP-powered pick-and-place machines. And because OpenPNP is under such rapid development, information from even 6 months ago may no longer be valid. It's great that the software is improving and I credit their work, but it is a VERY complex program that is nothing like a 3D printer slicer like Cura for example. It is a VERY manual process with a lot of research, guessing and trial-and-error required. Having built (and rebuilt) my own, written and shared extensive documentation for it, I'd conservatively estimate 50 hours to populating your first PCB.
I normally and am not fond of these types of presentation videos. This video had me enthralled the entire time. This guy is a great presenter and really knows his material. On top of all that Pennsylvania represents! I actually commented out loud when he mentioned it ran on Marlin. Good job, guys!!
Nice to see the Opulo on this channel. I'd like to make my own PCB at least once in my life, but as a mechanical engineer the odds of me ever having any sort of use for a pick and place is very slim, but I love watching his videos and following their progress.
Even though it's open source (!= free), I always try to give some money anyway, hope he and the team have a coffee option. :) Oh wait, they have a shop, haha. Check
These guys are amazing! I'm coming up on 50 really soon, and things have changed so much in my lifetime and career. I've worked as an electronic tech / designer / pcb layout guy, and we would have loved to have (couldn't have imagined, really) the technologies that are being made available open-source. I'm considering opening my own consumer electronics company, and this tech will probably make it possible to do so, as I fall right into that mid-volume area. Now we only need an environmentally safe way to make prototype or production boards in-house. I am hoping that additive technology might be created in the near future to do just that.
Wow, what a passionate guy. I kinda want to get into making my own pcbs now, even though I'd have no way to use them & dont know anything about designing them!
Trying to understand this, we are looking for doing small batches from 10-100 pr batch for our products, so if this can place things like uart, canbus, and standard processors it would be perfect for us, or is this just components that fits on these small strips, didn’t quite get it?
I don’t quite know the answer myself, but they have a really active “Discord” and also i’d imagine one could contact them via their email, website, or “LinkedIn” as well! Do you need help getting links or do you have them already? (Edit: Typos Fix)
Following the LumenPNP for a long time, awesome to see it get even more recognition out here! That said did really think about the 3d printing vs the machine vision work they did until he mentioned it, but I wonder if incorperating that machine vision work into 3d printing would be a good way to do mixed part work. I.E. printer ontop of an existing structure like the LumenPNP does for adding parts on top of an existing thing.
That system is SO impressive! It was definitely one of the top 3 things I saw at ERRF. Thanks for taking the time to get some a thorough review up for us to see!
They (Adafruit/Sparkfun) are big enough already to buy more professional industrial pick and place machines that actually work way better (faster, more precise, reliable) and are directly integrated in a full assembly line with paste printers and reflow ovens.
In theory, yes. You need enough stepper driver outputs and hardware I/O to run a pick and place machine tho. 3 axis for X,Y,Z and 2 extra axis for the rotation of the pick and place heads. Then you need just some inputs for the endstop switches, and outputs for the camera-lights (2x), the vacuum pump, vacuum solenoids (2x) and an interface for the vacuum sensors (usually done over I2C). If you want to add feeders, they need a control interface too, currently the plan is to run them over RS485 and an extra single wire bus.
SO cool! I have been watching Stephens video from jan 2020 multiple times just because he is so damn inspiring! Great to see that this project are still evolving and have now been a full develop product! So inspiring and cool!!
Been watch Stephen for a couple of years now back when he was frustrated hand building his glow-tie's and decided to build his own pick-n-place machine just to automate that.... Its so good to see him at this point with a product! Keep going Stephen!
This was an interesting style of editing for a video. Just sorta letting him do his whole pitch/ad on the channel. I follow their youtube channel as well, and they don't post often, but its some really interesting stuff. Lets you get a real view into some cooler but more niche makery type things. I appreciate that the barrier to entry for creating products is lowering all the time. I f only we could deal with all the red tape involving nefarious patents and the patent system.
This is a super cool idea that I can't in any way use lol. But it makes me wish that I DID do this kind of thing because it's such a fascinating product!
For $2000 this is not good deal, Professional pick and place machine price is from 2700-2800$ Sooo... not a good deal for this called open sorce And I don't like sucking heads 1 going down and 2 going up... this mashine is not close to be comercial Good deal is about $500, not fu*king 2000 usd
Hey Thomas, wts up. Actually I have problem plz help me... . I wanna build a 3d printer who have rotary on nozzle head, like Construction 3D-Printer if u see... My mean about rotary nozzle is when nozzle wanne extrude the filets curvas or Curvature. Now can I set it on marlin? And how can I get this export G-code? (software for export G-code). Tnx men🌼
hmm, after ~8 years sucess with LinuxCNC on an old Boxford eduacation CNC mill, this "open pnp" sounds like a very do-able side step...(Linux CNC is an open source CNC control system run on an old parrallel port pc/PCI card).
Excellent product and beautiful engineering, love it. Video just let down with the legendary Yank mispronunciation of words and the dreaded damn bloody adverts. Didn't watch the full video as I can't be doing with adverts.
Didn't notice you made a video on it. I've been glued to Stephen's channel for a while! (I DO NOT need a pnp, I just love to follow all the steps and improvements of the product and the company)
@Thomas: Are you somehow involved in this project or do you show this simply because you like it? With no clarification at the beginning or a blended in text message it makes your motivation why you promote them a bit weird for me…especially as you always have your usual disclaimer whenever you test a machine.
It’s been really awesome to watch this project mature over the last few years. Going from a simple idea to a full-fledged open-source product. A+ Opulo team for making this, and Thomas you made an excellent video covering it!
I love seeing this. I have been watching his channel from the start of this journey with the pick and place through the name change and his struggle and building his custom control board. It's been fun and interesting to watch his stuff and I'm glad to see this. Link to his channel: ru-vid.com
Compared to the Opulo -guys me as an engineer for mechanical parts and designing the smallest and lightest print head feel like a dumbass :-( Damn they're good!
Is there a list of all parts including the camaras, vaccuum pumps hollow shaft Nema11 motors and so on available. I want to build that machine by myself.
damn i love hearing smart people talk about things i dont understand but they can communicate in a language i understand. Great video, hope you share more of these new interesting vendors with amazing ideas!
it would be cool to adapt this to be a swappable head for a 3d printer with a system like WhamBam Mutant. I know that the control would probably need to outside the printer but it could be nice to use the same hardware
Awesome video! Stephen does a great job talking about the machine. Been following the dev for a few years now and really happy to have seen it in person!
He's really proud of that, and he should be - on the point about where it fits in the market so to speak, seems to me you could easily scale that Prusa style and build a farm of them if you needed to.
Dont fucking tell me that this guy and a dozen more are going to develope in the future an open source phone that you can do in your garage just like this hahahaha
Oho! Very timely information; this goes in my files for, I hope, the first half of next year, when if things go even vaguely as planned I should be setting up for small-scale SMT assembly. I'll be watching for the automated feeders, and for the maximum number of feeders possible (some of my likely designs have 60 or so line items on the BOM, because analog stuff tends to involve lots of different values). Be nice to have an open-source, domestically-produced board-stuffing machine.
If you can't place all the components on the same machine, just having two machines and move the boards forward might help. This is bascially the same thing that happens on all the professional SMT assembly lines where there are usually 2-3 pick and place machines connected by belts in a row, to have enough feeder space for a full job. Sometimes it even makes sense to have different specialized machiens for different parts, like one "chip shooter" that is good at placing all the small passives, and a different machine that is set up for larger parts like connectors and ICs or even tray and loose components that can't be fed from reels.
Does the openPnP work out of box or does it require custom java scripts to function? Last time I played around with openPnP I found it was less plug and play than Marlin but that was like 6 years ago.
There's been a ton of work, but there are still some limitations. Tons of work has been put into extending Marlin to allow full functionality, so the hardware side is going strong, but I think there are still some issues on the software side being worked on. I highly recommend checking out the wiki and discord server if you want more details.
@@syber-space thank you! Last time I messed with this was with a Scara and I kind of hit a Java wall on OpenPnP. Python or C++ would be fine, but I only code as a hobby and have not dipped into Java yet.
OpenPNP works pretty good "out of the box" right now. There have been quite a few immprovements, especially to help you set up and calibrate the machine before the first job. However, if you need to set up a job (configure parts and feeders) regularly, there is still quite a lot of point and click work involved that could be improved with automation and some scripting. At least from my limited experience.
I think my issue at the time was I had a Scara robot which needed to rotate the gantry camera orientation before it picked. With Cartesian you are always parallel, so thinks are simpler. My next attempt will be based of these kits or similar so glad to hear they work somewhat well out of the box.
cool i can now make my own SMT and make my own company . P.S.: My job is to work with Samsung SM481 and the software is not updated from like 10 years and its buggy sometimes and makes my bloodboil .
Just as a disclaimer, OpenPnP can be buggy and get your blood boiling as well. But at least you have access to the source code and could potentially fix issues you encounter. There are a few people working on converting industrial PnP machines to work with OpenPnP, mostly they are using Neoden machines tho from what i've seen.
The positioning of some of the resistors and LED seems very random on that test board, I.e almost on the solder pads but not quite. I guess this was just setup because if that was an example of the accuracy it's a bit sad.
It takes quite a bit of tuning to get it perfect, and depending on the size of the component, you can place them quite a bit away from the perfect location, and it will correct itself in the reflow process. Thats one of the reasons 0402 and fine pitch ICs are still pretty hard to do reliably. Of course, the roller wheels riding in aluminium profiles are not really helping with precision placement. I'm pretty sure that who ever does place 0402 and 0.4mm pitch QFN with a "LumenPnP" has upgraded the motion system to linear rail bearings. (The upgrades are open sourced too tho, the community is really trying to help this thing to get better)
I looked into building my own pick and place machine, but in the end my time is worth more than the time it would take to build and load one. My commercial PNP that holds 27 different reels was only $3500 purchased from China and runs at 20 times the speed of this unit. I do enjoy people that innovate, and this system is really neat. Machine vision is not necessary if the system is built with tight specs. A slight misalignment is tolerable because the component will straighten itself out during reflow.
@@Adharsh-e7x It was a Neoden TM-240A. I have upgraded to Neoden YY1 which has vision check of component angle, but I have turned off that vision check for several boards and its placement is still highly accurate.
It's always a joy to see Stephen's energy.. He mentioned he has played around with enough 3d printers, but he didn't mention he was once working for FormLabs!
