@@Cybergodless Funny how most of those “former atheists” show they don’t understand what atheism means. Maybe their religions use a neuralyzer on them like in Men In Black. Flash! They forget what atheism means.🤤
Also God is supposedly immaterial but I’ve never seen a definition of life that includes anything immaterial. So basically they’re arguing against what they believe.
@Never-ending party timeless, so no when. Spaceless, so nowhere. Immaterial, so nonexistent. You’ve proven nothing, only asserted knowledge you don’t have. Funny how God seems to only fit into places we can’t access. How exactly does something immaterial not only cause but design the material? Now you’ll claim God has infinite power and hand wave away all objections to your assertion. Was there ever a time when the universe didn’t exist? Was there ever a place where the universe didn’t exist?
@Never-ending party God doesn’t fit into my ignorance, he fits into yours. I’m not claiming to know things no one knows. If time had a beginning then there’s was no time when the universe didn’t exist. If space has a beginning then there was no place the universe didn’t exist. No one knows the conditions before the expansion of the universe. No one knows why it expanded. I never said anything about star dust, a mud puddle or nothing. You can create strawmen all day long but it doesn’t change the fact that you have no idea what your talking about.
Do you think this never ending party vegetable thinks it wins the arguments on these threads? The level of delusion people like this have has always baffled me. I’m always worried about being wrong or stupid (which I am often) but these people who are always demonstrated to be false or fallacious never are. Hmmmmm 🤔
Does it make sense to Ryan how a computer CPU works or how lines of code can direct a computer to do the things it does or how medicine works in the body? I doubt it very much...
Nick Holmes first off, these callers calling in were not atheists they just claim to be to try and prove “no” point whatsoever. Shame they claim to be Christians and spew their LIES!!!
I think the key word is uncritically, if you are uncritical in your thinking you are likely to believe anything because you have no ability to question things, which is how Ryan has got himself into this nonsensical bullshit
@@timrube up until the point that he substitutes "God" for his ignorance and doesn't do any legwork to find the truth after that. "I don't know...I should try to find out" is the rest of that thought process, if intellectual honesty is your actual position
caller: "You can come to god through skepticism" me: "What tools of skepticism are you using?" caller: "Anecdotal personal experiences and argument of ignorance fallacies."
To be sure, personal experiences might be a valid reason for believing something (e.g., witnessing an event), but usually the personal experience cited is merely a transformation of their character, beliefs, or identity. Well gee golly whiz! Thats not convincing at all. Reading any kind of fiction has the potential to do as well.
@@pdworld3421 *"You're all so sad."* The only one who is sad here is you. I just read a sensible comment followed by sensible agreement, until I came to your negative comment. *"God have pity on you all."* What god, how do you know of it, and why would anyone be concerned about it having pity?
*Knock Knock* - "Who's there'' - ''It's Jesus, let me in'' - ''Why?'' - ''So I can save you! '' - ''From what? '' - '' From what I'm going to do to you if you don't let me in!!!! '' No thank you.
@Viktor Tandofsky Ok by that argument that means, If u don't understand something a person is saying then that problem is 100% on them and not also on you?!
@Viktor Tandofsky The thing is that guys like Ryan did not learn about evolution from "evolutionists" i.e actual biologists, but from creationist shysters, who probably both don't understand evolution and misrepresent it willingly.
Awesome. I'm not the only one who saw that flag pop up xD And moments after he was laughing. "Oh, lol, evolution, sure, lol, so evolution is absolutely true? Lol" "Alright, so what's wrong with the theory of evolution?" "My understanding of evolution-" "Let me stop you there; Yes. You're right." -End of call-
@Viktor Tandofsky "because the evolutionists can't explain it" As "evolutionsts" is made up word by YEC and there are no "evolutionsts" I'm pretty sure you should blame your lazyness and ignorance. And maybe lack of intelligence because understanding evolution is not hard for children in elementary school.
@@poozer1986 Hey there, Alex! No problem. I'll Explain Very true. Love exists. Love is the most important thing in your life...but its Invisible. Love is the Invisible Force that is the Source and Motivation for everything you do. Even your comment to me. If not.. you wouldn't have cared. And Love must be followed. Because it is also the Judge of everything we do. GOD IS THE SAME EXACT DEFINITION I repeat... GOD IS THE SAME EXACT DEFINITION Love is inescapable. Thats the reason Atheists say a higher power is useless and pointless...but y'all CONSTANTLY talk about it. That's AWESOME.
@@damianedwards2327 Redefinitions, conflations, bullshit claims and strawmen plus a whole lot of word salad, all in an attempt to try to tell us what we believe. Dishonest. Do you feel no shame?
Albert: Love your answer, but your misspelling of "creationism" makes it look like "cretinism" ("creatonism") and that gave me a big laugh! Many thanks for that (so don't correct it)!
@Folk Aart And parasitic worms that slowly eat their hosts to death from the inside out. You can deny god all you like, but you can't deny his imaginative ways of torturing his toys.
Well in fairness to him , i think we have all done this as one point in life and the reason why we do it is to have a crack, to see if he's gonna answer Now.. it doesn't make sense nor does it have to, People don't always do things that make sense but the point is... You can pray once or twice or 5 times, but if you actually don't believe in him you're not going to be praying for very long because your inner belief system won't let you either that... Or you have to start to believe in order to continue it
@@felixsalazar4475 True, (at that point in time) You do or at the least you think they might exist. Your belief can change over time though. Ultimately you need proof internally and justification to change a belief but.. you are right yes
He said he was an atheist his whole life. I don't believe him for a second, because of the caricture of the secular perspective. I think his story is made up to attack atheism, but the call didn't went as he thought. I think Matt made a brilliant call. Ryans understanding of science seems come from a christian worldview.
It's a common story, i found out that Christians, a lot of them, seem to think being an atheist means not going to church, but still believing a god, or blaming some god for something. THey have about as much understanding of atheism as an earthworm does about flight.
Anthony Flew was an atheist but he ends up believing in the existence of God due to the complexity of DNA. And how do you know the caller is lying? And you portray atheists as if all of them were atheists for the same reasons or all of them are scientists or something.
@Dark Wind, because of the way he discribes the secular position. It sounds like taken out of a textbook for strawmanning the atheist position, written by an apologetic. Then when Matt didn't play along he immediatly loses it and has to rethink. People don't have to rethink their story if they are honest. He acuses Matt several times of making fallecies, but he is of. He clearly memoriest the accusation phrasing and his voice changes from nerveus to certain when uttering the acusations. But Ryans accusations are ridiculisly off. He has no idea what he is talking about. Ryan also refuses to anwser simple harmless questions about the age of the universe. A clear sign of a dishonest nature of this call. Last but not least , i did NOT portray the atheist position like you said. I don't think there is a typical atheist. But this portrayl of an atheist position is just a joke.
@@darkwind1812 What does Flew have to do with this video? What point are you trying to make by bringing him up? Who accused the caller of lying and when? Your last sentence makes no sense at all. Try rephrasing.
I thought it was allergies at 1st, but he was definitely tearing up at times. It was worse when he spoke of thinking he was dying, and when talking about "something" inside him that was "missing", and finally in needing salvation. Clearly those were the target points that the church honed in on for the win. They said "prayer saved you from death, and you're missing God who answered your prayer, and God is your salvation from death. They made "god" the key. I wonder how he happened upon Eastern orthodoxy.... That's not exactly evangelicalism, it almost sounds as if he found them thru an NA or similar program, or perhaps a friend or something. Almost every theist was either raised that way & never thought for themselves, or "found God" during the recovery process, because Christians know that an addicted mind in recovery is looking for something, ANYTHING to fill the void the drugs were filling. They're easy prey. It's sick
he is crying....he bought the shitty cocaine again, instead of shelling out for something that would leave his nose intact for important things, like sniveling and crying...ok so nothing will change, but his nose will feel better...
when people say that, i dont know if i believe them.. only on the basis they started believing again because religion was comforting to them again or something..
@@dukeblair7792 Hey there! No problem. I'll Explain Love is the most important thing in your life...but its Invisible. Love is the Invisible Force that is the Source and Motivation for everything you do. Even your comment to me. If not.. you wouldn't have cared. And Love must be followed. Because it is also the Judge of everything we do. GOD IS THE SAME EXACT DEFINITION I repeat... GOD IS THE SAME EXACT DEFINITION Love is inescapable. Thats the reason Atheists say a higher power is useless and pointless...but y'all CONSTANTLY talk about it. That's AWESOME. Thanks for reply
@@markwhitmore9326 Hey Mark! No problem. I'll Explain Love is the most important thing in your life...but its Invisible. Love is the Invisible Force that is the Source and Motivation for everything you do. Even your comment to me. If not.. you wouldn't have cared. And Love must be followed. Because it is also the Judge of everything we do. GOD IS THE SAME EXACT DEFINITION I repeat... GOD IS THE SAME EXACT DEFINITION Love is inescapable. Thats the reason Atheists say a higher power is useless and pointless...but y'all CONSTANTLY talk about it. That's AWESOME. Thanks for reply
Wow, the caller is the product of some pretty intense religious homeschooling. He can't even be honest with himself let alone treat others with honesty.
I'm of the opinion the almost all Christians are graduates of the Juilliard School because of the way they so gracefully dance around questions. And it absolutely kills them to say "I don't know". Why is it so important to have an answer for everything, even if it cannot be shown to be correct?
“Let me collect my thoughts for a second”.... in other words he had a script he had planned to follow and your immediate questions threw his mind through a whirlpool. Now he’s in the deep end with no floaty
I generally like to give people the benefit of the doubt when they make a claim but listening to this guy I seriously doubt he was ever an atheist let alone a skeptic.
I started out not knowing about the invisible man. Then I heard about the invisible man and went searching for him Finally I decided the invisible man did not exist. Then I met a woman who believes in the invisible man. I now believe the invisible man exists. After my girl friend left me...
Matt - "What good reason do you have to believe in the god of the bible?" 3:38 - *clears throat* "Ok....this went in a bit of a direction that I wasn't prepared for...so if you'll excuse me while I collect my thoughts for a sec." Oh.....you mean the direction of having to justify your beliefs? Something that even as an adult of 20-30 years of age you have NEVER considered...that direction?
I caught that too! I think he truly thought he could limp in there justifying his belief by asserting opinion that secular belief has faulty assumptions. Not realizing that atheists don't assert that there is no god, they just aren't convinced of one.
Yep. Ryan thought he could just waltz in there and rattle off his script (uninterrupted) and be believed. Convince the hosts that his conversion was real and justified. Nope He was never an atheist bc he doesn't understand science and only has the creationist method of explaining reality. "The invisible incorporeal hairy fairy in the sky" did it. Thinking that that is a GOOD and BELIEVABLE reason to believe in HIS version of crap. So sorry So sad. 😐
Matt is the scariest kind of arguer-the kind that can fluently point out which logical fallacy you make while avoiding them himself. Not to mention being very knowledgeable about his opponents’ side (more than they are)
True. Additionally he does have the truth behind him. There is NO evidence of a god or god's. So he has the high ground and it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Poor theists already start out at a disadvantage.😂😂😂😂
@@bikeshop2002 I would argue that every theist should spend an hour a week here. If they change your mind, faith was shallow. If you can answer his challenges faith is real.
I know, right? If there's an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient deity, why are its emissaries these simpletons whose logic struggles to achieve "childlike"?
@@stevenschnepp576 Never mind the corpse on the floor..I mean the fact God almighty Forgives All Genocides and pedophiles but honest disbelief is the ultimate taboo.. Sounds like the perfect excuse to kill those that disobey the piper..
They are so poor at thinking, it makes me wonder how this guy has not accidentally killed himself, prime candidate for a Darwin award, they just meander through dumb idea to dumb idea, I don't get how people hear this and still think yeah Christianity and god are true, it bogles my mind, it sounds so fucking stupid
I love when theists complain that secular education was forced on them in public schools, then a few moments later go on to prove that they did not, in fact, ever actually learn a bit of it.
It doesn't help that "secular" education is highly tainted by religious people who dislike the scientific method, evolution, geology, and critical/logic being taught in schools. It is a disservice to science that the word law is used to describe observable actions which makes it seem like a legal law that is prescriptive rather than descriptive of human behavior.
Sunday school Church The Bible Religious movies Morning and evening prayers You Tube channels TV evangelism Statewide Day of Prayer Money supply Pledge of Allegiance Prayer in the White House Town meetings begin with a prayer.
So his entire argument is: I was too stoned to pay attention in school. I have a 3rd grade knowledge of science, therefore god. Well if that doesn't convince you, I don't know what could.
Atheism is the lack of a belief in a deity or deties. It doesn't mean he had a well considered epistemology, nor how to apply skepticism properly. He was surprised by Matt's description of the knowledge science provides. Some how he seemed to think science made absolute claims. I can understand that as it's often not made clear. That's more to do with the philosophical underpinning of the scientific method rather than "science" itself. You can be completely ignorant and be an atheist. Being atheist isn't a protection against becoming theist. We can all make mistakes.
Some believe conspiracy theories others are fascist leaning, some keeps posting the same stuff over again like complaining about bestemmie (cursing especially god Jesus Mary saints) and those believing ancient aliens stuff
"I was an atheist for my whole life..." I've always wondered why all those "former atheists" seem to forget what atheism means. "I think the church was more honest." That would be a first. IF anybody can prove any honest churches exist, they'll be the first people to do that.
Also there's other uses for limbs, like holding a mating partner in place or digging for food. Some whales use their vestigial pelvis as an anchor for wang meat
I like how theists think that since science makes corrections with dating that it's somehow indicative of it being unreliable. "It keeps changing." Yeah, they may revise it a million years out of multiple billions but it's not like we're seeing it shaved dwn to 50,000 then back to 4.5 billion then back to 45,000. They act like that's what's happening.
Also they keep forgetting that they use science to make corrections to their book as well. According to the Bible, earth is flat with a dome of glass with windows and water is outside in space and the windows open to let rain. When science disproved it they stopped talking about that.
11:46 Matt has asked the "why do you believe" question so many times, and I think a lot of theists don't realize that their answer is "because it's what is popular" or "someone I trust told me about it" or "I was raised to believe this". I suspect that their personal experiences often happen after the first three reasons but the timeliness gets forgotten to them. I also suspect this is one reason some callers start to argue dishonestly in the call. They are starting to realize they've never had a good reason for their belief. And if they've been believing something untrue (sometimes for decades) they think they will look foolish admitting they were wrong.
I think they feel, on some level, that “because it gives me happy fee-fees” sounds really unconvincing, they try to dress up things. It boils down to, “I am afraid of death and want to feel special, Christianity is the culturally dominant system that cover these requirements.”
Yes 😂 his little remarks followed by a selfish little giggle, not bothered one bit by the fact that the person he just satirized is _still on the line_ XD
@@RW-ix2to Matt can be what you just described, but he makes no jokes about it. he is what he says he is... true to him self and dont take shit from no one. Don is jsut trying to be a little funny sometimes. no harm in that i think :) As mentioned, he is the comic relief, i find it refreshing. how can any be insulted by his ways.
@@RW-ix2to Don belittles beliefs, I've never seen him call someone a name, or to insult them personally. These callers don't have a right to not have their beliefs mocked or belittled. If they can't handle that, then their beliefs are as pathetic as Don makes it known they are, no?
@Never-ending party Nothing but copy pasting apologetics on every comment on a video that you didn't watch under comments you don't read on a topic you don't understand. Not sure which secondary troll account this is but get a life fucktard
@Never-ending party I have to stop reading at "We know the universe had a beginning, thus a beginner." _We_ would have a few Nobel prices in the pocket as that is pretty much not know...
@Never-ending party _"Except there's nothing but EVIDENCE for G0D:"_ ... - *Then proceeds to present exactly 0 pieces of evidence for God* The universe having a beginning does not lead to the conclusion that it was God. How existence "began" is only answered by "I don't know". To assert "God did it" is nothing but an argument from ignorance. Saying that god did it is nothing but a claim that would require evidence to support it... you tried to support it using other empty claims. Then its an argument from probabilities... which is another argument from ignorance. Followed by flawed claims about what we know about science and what can do things... all of which are rather wrong. Then a claim about Christianity's uniqueness... which is also wrong. *With all that being said, the biggest problem with your argument is that asking questions and attacking some other idea or stands DOES NOT support some other idea, stance or claim. No list of things that science doesn't know, or claims about what couldn't happen, or ideas about impossibility will ever support a different idea.* You presented no evidence for anything in your post about evidence. You made a bunch of empty claims attacking other ideas then an empty assertion about your claim.
@Never-ending party everything you cite is bottom-up, all you propose as answers for them are top-down. You're unclear in your definition of how. It's so easy to dismiss your ideas from how many errors you've written.
There was a time that I was going through a deep depression and I began to seek God at a non denominational Christian church, I went through all the motions although I’d always been a skeptic. I really wanted to believe it would work but guess what, I didn’t get better until I saw a psychiatrist that gave me meds and referred me to a therapist. Over the course of 1-2 years I got better n then got off the meds. Science gave me real relief, I struggled to admit that to myself for a while but it’s the facts Jack
Every caller starts off sounding all confident like they are going to be the ones to make a good point. After about 2 questions from Matt.... "Uh uh ummm" 😂
Never-ending party Hu? What do you mean? Matt just takes the calls from people that call. And he doesn’t “run off” from people. Everyone he’s debated has them running off lol
@Never-ending party do you have any verifiable proof that the god of the abrahamic religions is real, and that Christianity is true. If you can provide proof please provide it, if you cannot admit that you do not have it.
@Never-ending party RNA has been shown to actually be able to form on its own. Every testable claim within the Bible and all other religious documents have been shown to be false. If everything needs a creator then god would need a creator. If you where to study the history of religions you will find that all religions and all gods are man-made, which means that they came from the imagination of people not the other way around. You have provided absolutely zero proof that the god of the abrahamic religions is real.
@Never-ending party Nice argument from ignorance and incredulity troll. All you do is make baseless claims without evidence. Lucifer asked for evidence.
I've been listening to this show for 12 years, and I've been teaching for 20 years. Most of the callers sound to me like they were the D students who think they knew more than the teacher. In my youth, I don't remember students being so arrogantly ignorant!!!!
He is smug, presumptuous, and accuses of the scientific community/method of committing all sorts of fallacies that pretty much disqualifies you from being scientific should you really endorse in any of them in reality. Don't try to make him sympathetic. He gets that coming.
I can hear it in this kid's voice that he's not really trying to prove any point. Rather, he's trying to reassure himself that he's right, and science is wrong. This is the same existential terror I started having in school when I was still a Christian and started learning about evolutionary biology. The whole community comes together around a child to reinforce the dogma, no matter how absurd, by shaming the child for asking questions or even daring to consider contrary evidence. It's heartbreaking really, because you can hear it in this kid's voice that he's convinced that he MUST believe, no matter what. This is an example of the doctrine of BELIEF is more important than FACTS.
I love from the first minute up until minute 13 just how off the rails this went 😂. I think his definition of skepticism would have to be "acceptance that we know absolutely nothing, no matter the weight of the evidence, except that which you believe 'by choice' without evidence and in spite of evidence to the contrary". Uh oh people, we got a serious skeptic on our hands over here 🤣🤣🤣
the best part was when he said people told him he was not dying and just had a panic attract. caller: I thought i was gonna die twice, god did nothing the first time but answered me the second. Matt: so you survived both instances and god answered you once. what does that tell you? caller: well people said i just had a panic attack.
Reminds me of the old saying, "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day." God ignored his prayer. Dude's gonna die anyway.
I think that Matt is one of the most articulate and analytical men I have ever heard. He would have made a brilliant lawyer - yet he doesn't even have a university education. Remarkable.
This was almost sad. Then he started talking about evolution with the same ignorance and arrogance as any first rate tv preacher. "No, I wasn't convinced by anyone" BUUUUULSHIIIIT
Think of the stress and grief that that would bring to religious people when their sick child dies. They’d be tormented wondering why their child wasn’t worthy.
Another person claiming to be a life long atheist convert who was clearly never an atheist. Ryan has already decided what he wants his conclusion to be and he's simply trying to come up with whatever means he can to justify it. That's why he began the call by insinuating that we don't or can't really know anything, therefore we are on equal footing. He then goes on to say that we choose what we want to believe, further attempting to justify his preconceived notions. And to top it off, he basically admits that his views are completely derived from feelings and emotions. He doesn't seem the least bit surprised that his offer of personal experience isn't the least bit convincing to Matt and Don. Why would he when he himself said that beliefs are a choice, and that we can't really know anything anyway?
Joe Gillian I can’t stand these fucks who claim they were atheists when that was clearly not the case. Like, why would you pray to a god if you’re an atheist lmao, but of course there are other various reasons why I find that bullshit
@@KC-py5vq If someone wants to call crying out in a moment of desperation (which is exactly what the caller described) a prayer, fine, but all they are doing is rationalizing after the fact. This caller, as well as many before, make the mistake of trying to make their case by attacking and attempting to expose the "other side" (there is no other side when it comes to things like evolution and cosmology; our science offers explanations and possibilities where religion offers bubkis). If someones argument is to attack the opposing view instead of supporting their own, that tells me that their position is weak. Truth isn't determined by the last idea standing, and it certainly isn't determined by a person's inability or unwillingness to understand something.
@Joe Gillian, i agree . I thought his lifelong atheist story was fake 3 min in. NOT because of bias, but because of his poor carcture of the atheist perspective. I think Matt saw trough this early on, and the caller probably had a script written by an apologist with only a strawman understanding of sceptisism and sience.
You cant say what is going on in his head or was going on in his head so he could have been an atheist, even if hes wrong about what that means now. Otherwise I agree with your comment.
Urr no, not straw, mouldy silage more like it, and replace man with a diarrhea'd dingle berry that has been violently ejected from Cardinal George Pell's ass. There, that's better)
a stupid argument from ignorance, “how half a wing is going to be useful?” it’s NOT half a wing dummy it’s a RUDIMENTARY wing, like the first daguerreotype was a rudimentary form of picture taking, it was better than sketching by hand and then “evolved” into the camera in your phone, so the “rudimentary wing” was better than no wing and it could have had alternative use like keeping the eggs in the nest warmer
yep. any extra aerodynamics, on small lightweight animals, would help them jump farther from predators and towards prey. just extra skin between the arms and body would become taught when the arms are outstretched, and allow increased gliding distance. one can easily see how that would evolve into the complex wings that the dinos got.
Thermoregulation, climbing, protection from attack and UV damage, assistance with climbing trees, balance, mating display. All kinds of uses for feathers other than flying.
Matt: "What good reason do you have to believe in the god of Abraham?" Caller: "Umm, my script doesn't have that as a question you might ask me, so let me collect my thoughts for a second and then completely ignore the question."
"I used to be an atheist until I realized I couldn't accept death is the end so I started to believe what makes me feel good" Why couldn't he just say that?
I remember crying to my church group leader 10 years ago, asking him why is it that he and the other group members can worship so beautifully without any seeming doubt. By the time I was talking to him, I had already gone through the slow burning deconversion out of Christianity, where one belief after another had turned into a miniscule version of what originally started as a miracle belief. Prayer can heal the sick, to well actually prayer is a way to communicate with God to give thanks. Bible is the infallible word of God, to well actually they're more like all wise allegories. Jesus christ is the God in flesh, to well actually he might be some mytical creature like King Arthur or Zeus. Maybe, maybe not. The caller is on the last ropes of his own faith and is attempting to grasp back to it but is realizing that he is lacking that one crucial ingredient to all valid beliefs.. E V I D E N C E. A lot of us have been there, and we all know the fear of losing the hope that religion has sold to us. I hope this guy is doing better.
Most people simply cannot accept death as an end to everything. They desperately wish to continue their existence and will find solace in the belief that their soul continues forever. What's interesting is that it doesn't bother them that they didn't exist for the billions of years before their birth, but cannot accept that they won't exist for the billions of years after their death.
For the "feels". Religion also provides established guidelines on which to live by, as well as a "foundation"by which people live by. I am good friends with quite a few believers of varying religions, and friends with some who do not. I really find no glaring discrepancy between them, in terms of them being a "good person". I guess it all boils down to people in the end; how they interpret "life" and what they should do to navigate through it. I know some f'd up believers, and some f'd up non-believers. Religion / non-religion doesn't define one's character.
@Never-ending party More baseless assertions with no proof. I'll happily believe in your god if you can show it to me. I know you won't, and you'll claim I need to "open my eyes" and look at "creation", the "complexity of life", the "order of life and reality". Why do you believe your god causes all of that? Because you like to believe that there is a deity that has a plan for you, and you'll get to live forever if you just believe and follow these arbitrary rules?
Yo, Matt! This is soooo important. "Pooping" is sooooo much more offensive and funny than "shitting." I approve that so much and hope to hear it again. Thank you and love you Dad.
@@forger42 The way I see is it's far more likely he just didn't have all the arguments for both sides. Or he called himself atheist without looking into it. There are more nuances to non-belief than just rejecting the god claim and atheism is a rejection of that claim - the "I don't believe you" when someone says "god is real". Maybe nobody actually said "god is real" to him. Idk. But it's far more likely he's a theist troll - the "I used to be an atheist" type are gaining momentum.
Well I mean just like there are religious people who believe for bad reasons there are Atheists who don't believe for "bad reasons". He probably never questioned his atheism before, which is something a lot of outspoken Atheists do in the process of becoming Atheists. It's important to remember we're all human and all prone to the same faulty thinking.
@@Jay-vp3kk I'm not claiming to know his mind, but it's always suspect to me when someone says they're a theist but used to be atheist. There is more than one level to non-belief than calling yourself atheist. That's only my opinion, but I don't think it's unreasonable. To me, simply saying "I don't believe" isn't always enough. Because there's "I don't believe because I've never heard this story before" and "I don't believe because I've heard the story and it has no credibility". I don't put much stock in that first one actually being an atheist. It sounds just like ignorance. Which is a far more accurate label. That's all. And like I said to @Lina Wrang: it's far more likely he's a theist troll - the "I used to be an atheist" type are gaining momentum. Just my opinion. But definitely valid, in my eyes.
Life is a chemical reaction. All it takes to "create" life is a suitable environment and the chance for the right chemicals to interact. Design by any sort of being NOT NEEDED.
Never-ending party demonstrate design without using the “well just look at it. It’s so complex and wonderful and whatever the fuck” argument. Sorry but look at the trees does not prove anything. We will wait...
@Never-ending party An experiment was conducted over half a century back that put the "right chemicals" into an enclosed chamber, where the conditions/environment were the same as primitive earth. Low and behold in but a few short hours the "building blocks" needed for life were formed. No life crawled out of this chamber, but the chamber didn't have billions of years to work with. Proof of something coming from nothing but the right chemical mix and the right environment. Your fantasy of a being waving his:/her/its wand to "create" everything from his/her/its will, is way beyond belief.
@@John-lr5je Nobody before you, or while you've been alive, has been able to provide a shread of evidence for your fantasy creator. You all just got "faith", nothing else. When you've got any evidence of proof, take it to the "Nobel" awards board. I'm sure they will reward you. But that is never gonna happen a. Because you got nothing except your blind faith.
On the "half wing", i recall a documentary that was looking at a flightless or semi flightless quail like bird. The researchers noticed that even as just a intermediate wing, the birds were able to propel themselves up steep slopes they otherwise could not maneuver. Just because its not a wing that flies, does not mean its a wing that has no use.
These theists start off so well. They manage to explain what they believe in about 25 seconds.... but when it comes to why they believe, 25 hours isn’t enough time!!
Most people want to live forever, so they invent a deity who gives you eternal life And there's a lotta lonely people who create an imaginary friend to talk to...
Poor guy was in tears... 😢 Matt, you’re like the “Simon Cowell” of The Atheist Experience! Couldn’t you have just given him the “golden buzzer” and tell him he’s going to Heaven?
"This went a direction I wasn't prepared to go." Translating...... "I have a script in front of me and you didn't give the expected response so I now I have no idea what to say."
This is a great example for how „I don‘t know“ isn‘t always the most honest answer, even when it’s technically accurate. „I don‘t know“ is in fact the most honest answer if it’s genuinely meant as an admission to a lack of knowledge (an indicator would be if it’s followed by something along the lines of „let’s investigate“), but this isn‘t this caller‘s intention; he merely uses it as a rhetorical cop-out to avoid an uncomfortable position. Intention matters.
What I found interesting, is his personal experience. I would imagine he had a bad trip that caused 2 panic attacks. He thought he heard God and was dying, rationalised his fear of death and claiming God was life and became a Christian
Perfectly good reason to seek out a God. I suffer with panic attacks and in that moment your convinced your going to die. It’s called Gods grace sometimes that’s how he calls us to him
