You Got This Unit Totally Wrong 

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So double chariot to snipe lords and monsters? The Vampire Counts have been put on life support after hearing this.

A Tzeentch unit working completely backwards from how you think it would? Man, CA really outdid themselves on representing the lore this time.

A good tactic for the Burning Chariot is to pair it with an Exalted Lord of Change and use the Gaze of Fate ability to hold the enemy lord in place. Combo it with Blue Flame to proc the Warpfire effect.

The same thing is true with Plague Drones with death heads. They aren't aoe explosive grenades but rather sniper shots that do lots of damage to single entities.

A good tip I can't stress enough is that you should almost always leave it's fire at will turned off, too little ammo for it to be wasted on random infantry and what not. Very good unit in campaign, even in melee it seems very good at sniping most heroes and lords!

I was wondering why the starting flamer chariot kairos gets couldn't even take out a single formation of jade warriors before running out of ammo

The main problem with this unit is that if the unit runs out of ammo it automatically suicides in melle

Ive used it on the ground VS infantry and in the sky VS large units and Lords. Due to the level you're firing from you're either firing a more wide-spread stream of fire or a more focussed beam making it a very versatile unit

It has the same speed flying as on the ground. The projectiles pierce. The angle from above can snipe single entities well, but you can also position it to the flank of a high armor elite unit and murder it.

I just wish that taking their Fire-at-Will off would actually mean that. Several times they just whooshed whatever they saw in range. It is also worth noting that sending your Bloodthirsters against them is a bad idea, they'll win but lose half their HP against the pyro chariot version of Luthor Harkon.

Technically it is good vs infantry, but the aim of it is horrendous, I don't know why CA insists on having these units fire at the corner of the unit instead of center mass. I was doing a siege battle and out of a whole unit of Cathay infantry A SINGLE DUDE was straggling behind and ofc the chariot blasted that 1 guy.

Sheesh. The more I see videos on Tzeentch the more gross and oppressive currently the faction seems compared to the other daemonic factions.

Tzeench troops are so fucked up, a reverse chariot, flying chaos warriors and a giant bird that actually flies.

Solid video! I was definitely in the underwhelmed category because I'd mainly used it in campaigns for blob destruction. And while it still can do that, I hadn't actually thought of it's lord sniping potential. Cheers!

This is true, but the ammo count is still incredibly low The normal flamers still vastly outclass it for its price In every way

YOu know what's the best part... even if its a flying disc. It can't take off Vertically.

Nice to see this because my friends asked me why they perform so bad against infantry. I litteraly told them to use it against single entites. Basic flamers are way better and cost effective against infantry.

Tzeentch is horrendous to fight in multiplayer, it feels like I’m being bullied

Wish there was a way to give flamer units and burning chariots more ammo in campaign.

I noticed this my first time playing Kairos around launch. Just kept sniping lords. Find one "standing still" murder. Cathay response, lure the flamer into oneshoting itself by redirecting the fire back. Instant death of the chariot.

If you do need to kill infantry with it I've found it's much more effective if you land it first and set up on the flank before firing

Well with your lord and 2 other mages you can obliterated any lord by just spamming the auto aimed missile (forget the name but kinda cheap for the dps)

This and the fact that the AI is trying to snipe your lord HARD makes it a nightmare to fight Tzeentch... (Especially as N'kari)

You need to add that heroes in burning chariot have 2 little blue horrors that shoots for free, makes them little useful once the ammo is spent

Pink fire of tzeech us the anti armour fire, while the blue fire was the anti infantry. So it seems to be doing what it's meant to.

I like to use the chariot as a cheese tactic against slaanesh and khorne. After you've sniped their lord you can send it to babysit your side objectives in domination; or harass backlines elsewhere

Yea, ok, don't mention the bug with them at all... Even when you toggle "fire at will OFF" they will shoot a volley at ANY enemy they fly over and waste ammo, even though you just told him to move. It's a crap unit anyways for it's tier, cost and upkeep - even more so because of the attention it needs to live (at least on Legendary campaign). Anything flying gets to him or you left him somewhere while managing the rest of your army and he is destroyed by any missile fire in seconds.

Another tip with this chariot, TURN OFF FIRE AT WILL or else it will shoot at a unit of nurglings when your trying to have it go after a great uncleaned one

In essence, it's like the Gyrobomber : Flying Armor Piercing shooter, who's main role is to target single entities out of the picture (preferably agents and lords.)

Explaining Herald of Tzeentch vs Exalted lord of change and Exalted flamer of tzeenth vs flamers of tzeenth would be nice

It's like having a unit that's just star dragons breath

The pièce de résistance is to use Gaze of Fate on a Lord or Single Entity then attack with a couple of these, the target just MELTS in seconds.

What do you cycle charge if it's awful against infantry? Does it hit harder against single entities in cc too?

They are also amazing on dropping enemy off walled settlement with their beyblade move.

This is actually true of all Tzeentch flame units. I started off using flamers to melt approaching infantry, and using horrors against SE, but I discovered (by roasting my own heroes accidentally) the the flamers will absolutely slaughter any SE that comes near them, while the damage output against infantry is good but not amazing

I run 5 in my demon prince army, exalted bloodletters for melee, Tzeentch chariots and Soulgrinders for support. Each chariot usually gets around 249 kills, they're quite effective!

how very tzeentch to make a flamethrower chariot not an anti-infantry unit

Oh thats what this unit reminds me of. Star dragon breaths! So instead of 2.4k for a combat dragon and 3 breath attacks, you get maybe twice the breath damage (lets say ammo = breath charges) and a squishy AP chariot for 1.7k. Eeehh maybe worth? It really sucks that they use ammo while in force melee mode. Possible use case in domination to blow its load on a lord then withdraw and resummon?

alternatively you can just get more exalted pink horrors which are far more multi purpose and can erase single entity no problem especially if you have kairos/exalted lord of change in your squad

I love the Chariots, on infantry too

Flamethrowers that are good vs single targets and bad vs crowds? Sounds like a questionable design choice to me, but it’s good that they're useful for something.

Thanks for the tips, realy helping me out in Multiplayer destroying my friends :D

there is this weird bug where every unit with "shooting while moving" will always shoot when given a melee attack order, regardless if fire at will is on or not

I only discovered this when I was doing a siege with kairos. I thought that the chariots are garbo after using it on infantry but I loved it's style. I send it in to shoot at an infantry blob which the Lord happened to stand in. Needless to say I was flabbergasted when I noticed that the general had died in 3 shots to the chariot. The same thing goes for exalted flamers. They absolutely melt (pun intended) any single entity target.

Consistent work man good jab i advise putting patch version in video or description cuz all this might/will change.

I generally use them in this way already. I like sniping with ranged flying units in general and was absolutely giddy over this one.

Your videos are an absolute joy

Ah, that's why Belakor was so easy. Had 2 chariots with me in the end fight against him.

I just discover that yesterday when by accident it hit a davi lord in infrantry. Who ordered well fried davi?

As someone who plays Kairos and two chariots in MP, watching lords and SEMs melt right before my opponent rage quits is hilarious.

yeah, i was so disappointed by its performance against infantry i just gave up my tzeentch campaign like 10 turns in... might give it another shot when i feel like playing again, probably next patch

Me and my buddy's are doing some coop and I had him make me 4 chariots so I can run around hero and monster sniping.

The burning chariot is able to fight the daemon prince in one on one melee and almost kill him.

Good post, now I know why I hated these in campaign, I was targeting the wrong units!

Oh this is great to know! I’ve been using it wrong this whole time

I mean, to be completely honest, I don´t get why people see something with over a thousand missile strength and are like "jeah, I am gonna fire that at units, in which a single entity has really low health. That sounds right". I mean: the overkill-potential is basically written in the unit-card

I was about to finish forth chaos realm with Khorne last night, all the sudden i get the campaign defeat message at turn 170. Darn Ogres killed belakor way early on me, i beat it with Belakor kislev Tzeetch and Slannesh. I didnt realize that could happen oof..

You’re totally right. I’ve been using it to melt iron blasters and it works great

If I can’t tell my unit to attack another then forget about it for the rest up the battle then I consider it a bad unit

The shots seem equivalent to a star dragon breath.

I played an entire campaign with that damn thing in my tzeentch army and did it wrong the whole time and felt like it sucked.

I enjoy your videos and find them very helpful, Thanks!

Lore of nurgle can like 3 hit enemy lords too and 0 miss chance.

I also use the burning chariot by disabling autofire and sniping lords. Glad I am not alone in this that I hate to use it against infantry.

Noticed this the first time i used it, started to just snipe lords for leadership loss

Could you or do you have a video on the tzeentch flamers? :)

huh, thought they were kinda underwhelming, thanks for the tip!

Honestly it's just kind of an awkward unit. It's increadible at sniping lords. And almost feels like cheating to use it against an army with no ranged (or flying) units of their own. But it is also awkward to use when it runs out of ammo because it isn't very good in melee (and keeps disengaging at random unless you tell it to land), runs out of ammo way too quickly, & is so fragile that if you look away for a second it might get killed immeadiatly even by relativly "weak" opponents. (seriously, the amount of times it gets randomly shot out of the sky by a random unit of archers that I thought had routed...). O and the AI likes chasing it if they can fly, so if you're facing someone like the Cathai dragons it'll probably make a beeline for your chariot which is rather annoying as it forces you to micro the chariot just to run circles around the stupid dragon. I'd love to see it's damage lowered in exchange for fixing these issues.

honestly they're not even bad against infantry either, it's just that they perform really badly in the air against them. If you land them and have them shoot in to lines, they're fine.

Just what I asked for, THANKS MAN!

I disband mine in campaign and save the upkeep cost.

Thank you ! i confess i've been using it wrong , and thought it was absolutley horrible .

Do you do comprehensive faction guides?

I was blown away at how powerful all flamer units are. I would almost call them overpowered (but my definition of overpowered is being able to one shot a lord, so I don't.) Seriously though, they can melt through most things with ease, and I love it.

Great!

You know, Tzeentch must be nerfed, but I would love for this unit to get a little more mass to use it as an actual chariot. It looks so cool!

Ah yes the FLAMETHROWER CHARIOT that’s useless vs infantry

Changer of ways makes unit that seems to be good against infantry to should be used against large units and heroes. It has good range but you want it to start shooting just above the target. Seems legit.

Always thought these were strong, in my Khorne playthrough I dreaded seeing a bunch of these in Tzeentch armies especially if they outnumbered my Bloodthirsters. The only tool I had against them would get melted by them, fortunately the AI doesn't manage them as well as they could.

What do you do with it once it's out of ammo though?

I thought this this thing's high damage output on the unit card gave away its purpose as a SE assassin.

waiting for patch 1.1 to play again

just me or does he go out of his way not to hover units so he doesnt reveal who he's playing with oO

BUMP

Bring back land battles make total war great again

UHG. Hate playing against them with ogres they don't have a good enough counter for when they rush your lords like that.

Huh. The more you know.

its the same way dragons breath works so

I found these guys pretty annoying to use in campaign, if I left them on Fire at Will they'd burn up their ammo on the way to a high value target, Vs opponents like Cathay and Tzeentch they'd also take a lot of damage on the way in and risk being taken out before they could actually do their job. Too micro heavy for me personally!

Oh and it's a dodging machine try dodging against the dwarves you will be amazed you can legit spam right click left and right when getting shot and never take any damage these dudes are the reason I've won against armies that just sit there you can kite them into charging you down

Still think this unit is useless past the 3rd to 5th turn in campaign. Idk how it works in multi but i cant imagine a glass canon unit only used to kill single entities from very low range with no ammo can really be useful.

I feel like they drastically needs change. I think the damage should be lowered and ammo count increased or at least give some ability to replenish ammo. Right now to do their job they not only need to be micro managed all the time but also as soon as they lose ammo they are completely worthless. Its just not really worth it especially considering their really high price.

Tzeentch is busted

What a shit unit. Character sniping has been a major balance issue multiple times since TWW1. Some factions fall apart completely if they lose their lord early (VC, Greenskins). It's amazing they learn nothing after so many years and 3 titles. Expect this to be nerfed into the ground, being useless for 9-12 months, then re-emerging as a completely different unit mechanics-wise.

I really hate that your channel is so incredibly absolutely necessary. Like . A strategy depends on having accurate info, right? WHY YOU DO THIS CA.

First of all you are wrong dude , you should have said ... " as long as noone is there to insta kill your shitty Chariot". AI loves sniping flying stuff on discs/chariots . This whole trick may work against Khorne but against Cathay or Kislev ? Forget it - you will be blasted out of sky. Second of all stop saying they don't do damage against infantry when they actually do - Just use speed and mobility to move to side of infantry ... and... and NOT shoot. LAND because in WH3 you can now - and then shoot from side. Thats how you use your chariot flamers (of course with shoot at will disabled). Whole problem with chariot flamer is that this ammo kinda pierces and hits multiple targets at once when shoot from ground - but from sky it hits one small spot. Kinda problem solves itself. Almost never shoot from flying stance unless against single entity and even then from ground works just fine. Is it worth twice upkeep of normal /exalted flamers?... depends - for sure you dont want too many.

Wait, something is this game is not as bad as people make it out to be? I think you didn'' get the message: everything in this game is bad. everything. and if you dare to say a single good thing about it, you are a CA shill or bought

it's such a goofy unit they just crammed 3 existing assets together and called it a day - WHIII feels like such a cop-out of a release.

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