@ryansheard8092 Not in this case. That old engine is rated to 350k miles before needing a rebuild. Not fail just need a rebuild. You would be luck to get to that on the new truck before a failure. I would bet the old truck gets better fuel mileage too.
@DB-os7wl the question wasn't about the engine itself. In general, older vehicles required far more maintenance, upkeep and repairs over 100K miles than today's vehicles. Now, modern diesels are more complicated and can have more parts to break down. But overall, I promise you I could use data to prove newer vehicles are more reliable.
Kase, perfectly tuned. Just a hint of black smoke while the turbo is spooling up and the fuel is slightly higher. No rolling coal BS! From all signs, it seems you’ve got that ‘94 dialed.
He was rolling coal for half of the run. Look at the at the bumper. Not sure that any old Diesel can be tuned to not smoke. That's why most of the tuners have been outlawed.
@@nm-qt2hb I'd call that more of a "haze", not what I'd call "rolling coal" . Check out some diesel drag racing or sled pulling videos to see true coal rolling. I've seen plenty of tuned trucks leave a cloud that (not even running that hard or racing) made it impossible to see the highway, zero visibility....THAT'S rolling coal.
@@nm-qt2hb you have no idea what your talking about. The smoke cleared up once the turbo lit after everyshift. He wasn’t rolling coal. If he was it would of been pitch black the whole way down. No one has ever outlawed tuning on a 12v why? Cause there isnt a programmer or a laptop to tune them with. They can make an extra 90hp (depending on the year) at the rear tire with just basic tools no hardparts. They are mechanical engines. Only thing they need to run that requires electricity is the starter.
Both great trucks. Man we didn’t know how good we had it in the 90s with these Rams. We used to beat on them. Now they are the most collectible truck on the road. People are restoring them left and right. Great to see these Rams still on the road and people appreciating how great they are.
Speed isn't everything, and speed is not what trucks are for. Ability to tow and haul without breaking a sweat is. My pick is the older Dodge/Cummins. It had me at manual transmission! 😊
My 03 six speed dually club cab 8ft box at 8200 pounds gets 22 mpg on the flat at 65 mph on trailer program, smarty junior. Performance setting gets even better but smokes the tires in 3 gears, not needed. The 6 speed shifts like my tractor but thats ok with me! (Yes,did the Amsoil synthetic 6 quart fill) New ones get lousy mileage at least a friends did. I can average 19 country driving, he got 13.
I've got a 2000 1-ton 4x4 dually with a 6-speed, 5.9 24v, extended cab, which was my dream truck back in March 2000 when I bought it as the only new vehicle I have ever owned. Had to put running boards on it to make entry to cab and bed easier, a dealer installed Jake brake and Rhino lining, and shortly after tossed the exhaust for a 4" with a muffler you can see all the way through. Sounds and pulls great, gets around 20 MPG unloaded, although pounds you as punishment for being unloaded. Only ever had to do 1 clutch, 1 brake job, and 1 new injector pump that failed between Cody, WY and Yellowstone, the only time it ever had to be towed. Have lift pump in tank now, lift pump on side of block, so should never have another failure of an injection pump. Had a fully loaded Lance 1161 camper in the bed for what I refer to as an early overlander setup with Airlift bags on the back axle. I could pull the boat still with it installed with a 4' Class 5 extension bar for the ball mount to get under the 4' the 1161 hung off the back of the end of the bed. It has been all over the country and up in British Columbia. My wife and I did Slickrock in Moab for our honeymoon, and took the truck off onto BLM land between Moab and Canyonlands NP for mountain biking out in the wilderness and camped by ourselves for 2 nights up on a knoll offroad. Sleeping bag up on the camper roof rewarded us with billions of stars and not a single yard or street light polluting our nights until time to sleep. Camper died in a tornado with us inside in Arkansas, thankfully we made it out with minor injuries. Truck lives on, though, with 196K miles, and other than the typical self destructing dash that has a cover, a steering wheel and driver's seat in need of recovering, and a cracked fender from a battle with a tree that no longer exists, the truck just runs and pulls, even with 6000 lbs. of SB2 dumped into the bed. I think I will get a replacement fender, wheels/tires, and a paint job to go along with the antique tag next March, about the time it crosses 200K. My daughter wants the truck left to her if anything happens to the both of us, despite having been relegated to the back seat her whole life when we all load up into it. Gonna have to teach her how to drive stick I guess.
No emissions equipment! I don't know how into the diesel world you are but look up deleted 6.7 cummins. I still don't know if they beat the 5.9 but damn they sound good
They sound like a big cat or big cummins because it's a 12v. The 24v sound much different. Both sound good but the 12 sounds like the big boys is why i like it more
Older gen autos with less techy nonsense are becoming more popular for a reason. Definitely price, and it's easier to make the truck do what you want it to do.
Older diesel trucks are definitely better than the newer POS emissions clogged, Prius sounding, DEF needing diesels we have nowadays. Serviceability check, Reliability check, Durability check, Sounds better most of the time and with some cash and time thrown at it awesome newer truck power can be had. My two cents Thanks Ray
I'm still driving the Ram/ Cummings 2500 I bought new in 1999. Tows my 28' Airstream thru the Colorado mountain's great and very economically and reliably.
I don’t know if the young folks realize what a shocker this body style RAM was when it came out compared to anything else on the road and years ahead of old Dodge’s!
Agreed. Definitely the best sounding 6 cylinder engine ever made. Hearing those old 12 valve cummins reminds me of my youth, every morning my entire life from 0-20 years old I woke up to my neighbor firing up his '93 1st gen straight piped cummins. You could hear him coming home from 2 miles away 😂😂😂
I still remember walking into the San Diego Auto Show in 1993 snd seeing the Dodge Ram front and center. I was just s kid, my dad took me to the show, and it eas just incredible. It was a extended cab 4X4 in a champagne color. I took so many pictures of that truck with my Minolta X700 camera.
I really like that '94 Dodge. The 12 valve with a 5 speed makes this truck almost indestructable. At 260k mi that Cummins is barely broken in. Case could drive that thing until hes 90 and itll still run and drive like it does today.
These dodges rams in the 90s with the manual and the Cummins motor were the absolute elite of towing and power. As you can see they still hold up extremely well with today's trucks.
Awesome video guys. Good job! Love both those trucks! I have 2015 and 2023 Cummins. Really looking forward to the TFL coverage on the new 2025s. Kase's 2nd gen has always been my Favorite truck on TFL. I love hearing that old 12 valve Cummins run! Just an awesome sounding truck!
Love diesels and when it comes to simplicity and longevity NOTHING beats a old 12v with that being said we can thank the government for ruining the diesel (and the gas can for that matter) New diesels are overcomplicated and restrictive for absolutely no reason at all!!!
The first image that comes to my mind when i see those old Dodge rigs is the movie Twister 1996 That one red was just legendary along with the old Fords, Jeep commander and Chevrolet suburban Such a good times
I am pumped for new twister movie that comes out tomorrow… My uncle owned a 2nd gen Cummins when that movie came out, remember it like it was yesterday.
I daily drive a 1992 D250 with the Getrag 5spd. Shes got DAP injectors, HE351 turbo, full 4" exhaust and fuel turned up on the Bosch VE. No idea what power she makes but hauls our 30' toy hauler just fine.
Old one gets the job done and the owner can do most of the maintenance to save money. If you brake a taillight while working it won't cost you $1000 due to all the electronics in the newer LED taillights with radar etc.
My wife is an awesome lady. After 39 years, I can say one of the few times she disappointed me. Was when she bought her 2018 Ram 2500 Crewcab 4wd 6.7L. She chose the auto over the G56 stick. The truck is an awesome pickup for our 4wheel camper. With the camper, it pulls our '23 Jeep JLU like it is not even there. The truck typically gets 26mpg empty with a bed cover, 22mpg with the camper, and 17mpg adding the Jeep.
It’s hard to wrap my head around the stock numbers on the 5.9 compared to what they’re doing today. Things were just done a lot slower back then. I remember when I was a kid we had a square body Silverado with the 305 and pulling the 16 ft bass boat up the small mountain where we lived we just chilled at 25mph and kept an eye on the water temp. Quite a difference with today’s trucks. Even the base models NA v6’s would do that same run with no sweat and keep up with traffic.
Hey, I was next to you on 287 yesterday after a day at the range! That old Cummins was def faster than my 2000 Frontier with a little lift and AC on full blast… Also you had a mini-trailer.
There's something about old classic simplicity. Give me a manual Jeep Rubi '03-'06 TJ 4.0, or an '04- '23 Manual Tacoma V6. Not the best haulers but solid, reliable fun off-roading. This from a guy running a 392 Rubicon who's about ready to trade 500hp & all the luxury creature comforts, but with too much techno-crap to maintenance/ keep up with.. Cool video keep it up!
Get the Edge EZX for that 22 Cummins. It will wake it up a little and you can adjust for the tire size. I’ve been running it for about 10k miles and wish I would have done it sooner.
Well to be fair, the reason old trucks are the best is because they are more reliable, easier to repair, less expensive to repair, and last forever. Back in the 1990s nobody bought diesels for power. Big block gas motors always made more power. The reason guys bought diesels is because they lasted forever and the MPG was superior (and diesel fuel cost less than gas always back then).
Let me suggest adding the "sport" headlights! As I'm sure you have noticed the OE lights are TERRIBLE. I also wired sport lenses so the bulbs on all 4 are on with the low filaments and all four are on with the high filaments. It takes a couple of relays to accomplish but the lighting is MUCH improved !!
Ones a used truck and it's probably $25,000 versus the new truck for over $100,000, on my 2014 I just put $7,000 into it and had the seats redone in a delete put on it and it looks like a brand new truck
It would be interesting to see an Ike gauntlet with a 20 year old Ram vs new, both loaded to or near the 20 year old truck's limit, comparing time and mpg up the gauntlet. How much does the new tech really give you...
I've got a 1996 12 Valve and a 2022 H.O. 3500. I get so many more compliments on my old 12Valve. But my 12V is completely original and is terribly weak.
Dodge, Ram and Jeep have horrible programming for the transmissions. My Jeep when using cruise control and going up hills, it waits till it looses 4 mph before it will downshift and then its only one gear. If it's a steeper hill it will drop 9 mph before it downshifts to the next down gear. When going up hills and you have someone behind you, that is not good. IMO it should be if it drops 2 mph is should grab a gear and if it drops 4 is should be grabbing the next gear.
Nobody drives an old vehicle to be faster, it is because it is more simple, more reliable, not controlled by the government and emissions, and has more character
That’s the problem People have lost touch of what a work truck is One thing they are not made for drag racing I guess to many many people buying big luxury high towing horsepower work trucks for grocery getting And to pull a bass boat and side by side a few times a year
5.9 cummins 💪still ruling the nest🪹 ol son. But for real, before some cat comes along and says that the old ram had an advantage over the newer one because of the weight difference, I understand, and yes, that does play a factor.
I'll take the 94 stock over anything new. We all got by just fine back then with its capabilities. Not to mention far less computer things that will go wrong and cost dearly to fix. Old is Gold. New costs Gold.
That transmission in the new truck definitely could use a tune for the strip.
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Older trucks, with less technology, will always be better if want to own it beyond the warranty period. Plus, before the warranty expires, it'll be a whole lot cheaper.
Edge makes a tuner that adds more horsepower and torque for the 5th gen. Plug-n-play, makes a world of difference, and it’s EPA, OSHA, FBI and CIA compliant.
In 1994, didn't Cummins call these 359's and when they sold an engine to Dodge, they went by liters? I know Ford did with the 444 that they switched to liters.
Typically you need a dual disc clutch and then launch in 3rd gear or there abouts. You have to be able to hold the brake and start letting out on the clutch and then launch when the boost comes up. A single disc clutch typically wont handle the slipping required to do that and for someone's daily driver/work truck that they dont want to tear up, its just not worth it.
I have a 93 D350 and a 14 that’s gone on a diet. The 12/24V absolutely sound better, they don’t have all the emissions or electronic headaches, and they are always trustworthy. Just a shame the factory transmissions are garbage.
Which things would last 25 years in my climate. Northeast, have to work real hard to keep rust off work trucks. My 2002 tacoma is doing ok considering 225k
Umm, us guys are talking about RELIABILITY and the LACK OF ABSURD EMMISSIONS CONTROL SYSTEMS in old diesels versus new diesels. No one expect the older trucks to out-race new trucks. Or to have better handling, or better braking, or better cab design / ergonomics!
