"You Have To Believe In God, It's Just Common Sense!?" | The Atheist Experience: Throwback 

"It's very difficult for me to understand..."That's why you're a theist.

Common sense doesn't mean true. Science was invented for that reason

"You Have To Believe In God" Why ?? I've been doing fine for 62 years without a belief in a god.

Believing in god is the opposite of common sense.

It always baffles me whenever christians, who believe in magic and supernatural powers, talks about common sense.

Long time ago it was common sense that the sun went around the earth...

It is always astonishing that there are still people today who are convinced that there is a higher power.

I find it interesting when theists take offense to “foul language” as their arguments start to falter, yet they’re reluctant to concede. This has happened frequently over the years, and I often find myself rolling my eyes. While I can understand their perspective, it's important to remember that engaging in these discussions is voluntary. If you're entering the arena, it’s essential to either back up your claims or acknowledge the opposing viewpoint. He did neither.

Good bye to "The Watch Maker" analogy, now it is "The I-Phone analogy"

The earth is flat! It's common sense! The sun goes underground at night! It's common sense! Railways converge! It's common sense! 🤣

Incredulity equals evidence for far too many people

Theism doesn't make much sense, but it sure is common

'common sense' is shaped to a degree by culture and social upbringing. calling your god belief 'common sense' is akin to saying that you were conditioned to believe in your god.

People often confuse Common sense with Intuition. The Universe has no need to be Intuitive at all.

You don't even need to get into quantum mechanics weirdness -- "common sense" tells us that light objects fall more slowly than heavy objects. "Common sense" tells us the earth is flat. "Common sense" tells us the sun revolves around the earth. Etc.

People often mistake “easy” for “common sense”. It’s easier to imagine that an exaggeratedly powerful human is controlling all those things you can’t explain. That does not make it common sense. It makes it the easy answer.

Beliefs are not proof! Otherwise they would be called proof! Weird how religion can never provide evidence but they will believe in magic, wishes, and miracles but never prove them

I agree with him completely, you must have a creator, something can not come from nothing and complexity must be designed without exception, now explain god, remember the criteria, it's common sense so lets hear the reply, god was always there isn't an answer and completely negates your argument.

Adding a creator does not resolve the Something From Nothing problem. It merely shifts the problem to a different layer of the model.

Remember, the only reason theists bother with the "God" thing is in the hopes that they can convince him to do their bidding through the impotent pleadings known as "prayers." Oh, and they think he will let them live forever, if they behave themselves and believe the right things.

I think its common sense for priests who molest children to go to jail, yet apparently many don't. Common sense has failed me like it failed this poor caller 😂

I don't know how a god arising out of nothingness is easier to believe than the universe forming naturally. especially a god with properties that appear to be impossible and everything in nature that we can explain is explained by natural processes.

I have not encountered a theist who claims to know scientific empirical evidence without invoking a deity.

" Rationality does not guarantee infallability". -Nathaniel Branden-1967

He calls to ask a question. He asks, they answer. He ignores that completely and shows no interest in what they said, doesn’t even acknowledge there was an answer to disagree with. Why call? Getting stuck with this guy on a plane would probably have me believing in hell by the end of the flight.

It's not 'common sense', it's just repetition. He's had the same creationist catchphrases drilled into his head so many times he can't understand that his fundamental framework is wrong.

Couldn't listen. Just kept staring at the Pikmin behind MD. And when it wasn't there I was watching waiting for it to return. lol

Common sense, huh? Well, if believing in God is common sense, then I must be the poster child for rational thinking!” 😈🔥

Oh imaginary God, I actually can't understand how these peoples brains work.. it's like a switch that's in the wrong setting!

“common sense” is reasoning based on experience with cause and effect. it’s common sense not to poke a sleeping bear, because the bear may attack you. we have experience of this. we don’t have any experience of a god. it’s not common sense.

MY “common sense” tells me there is no god.

Listening to a theist prove their god for 5 minutes kills more brain cells than a lifetime of heavy drinking.

That's very much the opposite of common sense.

"common sense" is a myth. There was never a time when "sense" was common, especially among theists.

The big bang is not the beginning of the universe. The big bang is the beginning of the expansion of the universe. The universe was never a singularity nor was it ever in an eternally inert state that suddenly became active for literally no reason. To suddenly get activity from an eternity of non-activity is to get something from nothing. An active universe is always active even if its activity isn't always expansion. So, a universe that's always been here doesn't have to come from and furthermore cannot come from anywhere. It's always here in some form or another and is beyond any requirement for a god. In fact, as any sentience requires the sensations of a sensational world to be sentient of, a universe must preexist the idea of any sentient being claimed to be a god.

No blood from a stone, and no evidence from this guy either !

Why can't these people ever just get to the point?

Despite the claim that he and a friend "are always discussing the existence of God," Issa is obviously unfamiliar with the realities of debating a position. I'm betting that he and his friend talk over each other constantly, rarely actually listen to each other if at all, and constantly repeat themselves ad nauseum. And think that's the way to argue things.

I liked his opening: watchmaker but make it i-phone

Poor Issa. These videos could be up for decades, so if he ever develops some understanding of science and reality, they could be a source of humiliation and regret. Theists never understand reason, critical thinking, skepticism, so when they come on the show parroting Christian apologist talking points, they not only get destroyed, but they leave a permanent stain on themselves. Theists, please try to be kinder to your future self before embarrassing yourselves this thoroughly. Perhaps a more modest posture, one with asking rather than preaching, would be a step in that direction.

Theists are not qualified to preach about common sense.

There's a quite a few walls of separation between common practice and common sense. One does not equate to the other, no matter how much you may believe it does.

It is my experience, and no doubt the hosts of this show share it, that the vast majority of people who are anxious to share their views and opinions on their god with others are far less willing to listen to anyone else's views and opinions in turn. It's all a one-way street as far as most of these people are concerned, and once they start with the 'it's just common sense' bollocks then you may as well terminate the exchange there and then, because they clearly have nothing of interest to say and are merely wasting everybody's time.

We are capable of logical thinking unlike theists....................................................

The problem with relying on common sense is it's not common and it's rarely sense.

If everything need creator then who created God?

He sees complexity and says that a magic being in the sky used magic to do it. We don't take that last step.

Issa repeated the standard arguments. From the end remark the most could have been made "Could the first cause not be God?" - The response is then, "OK, let us put a God in that spot that initiated the universe. A Prime Mover, a First Cause. And now? That is not the God you believe in. You believe in a VERY personal, human-like God, that walks around, speaks with humans, lets himself be carried around in a box. How do you know your God is really the Prime Mover from 13.7 billion years ago? Or which of the 3 abrahamic religions that share the SAME God is right? Or which of the 40,000 CHRISTIAN denominations have all the essentials of God and his will correct, and how can you know that the other denominations that are equally persuaded as you are wrong and will go to Hell?" On the way to that point, it would have been important to shake a fundamental of Issa's christian persuasion: That we humans are the final GOAL of Creation, that the whole universe was ONLY created to give the humans on a tiny planet a place to survive. That is the dogma religion baits you with: You are special, you are the one worthy thing in the universe that an all-powerful entity is obsessed by you, made you in his god image, watches you 24/7, scans your thoughts even in your sleep. For Issa it is an absolutely revolutionary principle to imagine that there is no goal, that the universe just does what the physical laws describe. Complexity arises "naturally" when the more complex structure is more stable than the less complex one. When DNA-strands form from the naturally forming amino acids on a clay surface, but do not last very long until they break up, but when by chance they get enclosed by (naturally forming) lipids that attach naturally to the DNA strand and make it more robust, so that it lasts longer, then you have made the first step to a functioning cell. But there can be trillions of other variant to produce a complex "organism". "worse" or "better" than terrestric life. Just as fundamental and revolutionary is the idea that the universe is gigantic, that it is IMperfect, meaning everything is a little different from "the other", and that everything constantly changes. And that we as part of the universe are IMperfect, are all different, and change with our age. But only IMperfection has the ability to change, only change has the potential to become better. And is that not somehow what the Bible tells us about ourselves? "We are all sinners" = we are all imperfect, and the Bible tells us we shall try for all our life to become better, but can NEVER reach the perfection, because that is reserved for God? That brings you automatically to the principle that we are definitely not the final goal of Creation, but just one step on a seemingly endless ladder of development of the universe. An idea that makes us humble, but no need to see it as humiliating (like christians would see it). Nevertheless, we are a miniscule, but inseperable part of the universe. And when you come with the heat death of the universe in 80 billion years or so - I think there are more relevant things to care about than this. We have enough to care about to make our species and this world survive for out grandchildren. So much can be improved to better life for us and for others. No need to be depressed about what happens in 80 billion years.

Complexity is a series of simple things, one on top of the other. Complexity is only seen as complexity in hindsight.

"Where did the matter come from?" Is a nonsensical question, since as far as I'm aware, matter can neither be created nor destroyed; it can only change form. This leads to the suggestion that matter has always existed. Ergo, until we know better, the universe may have no beginning; it may be eternal.

This person cannot even articulate a full sentence! Impressive.

And yet another theist falls flat on their face...

It really seems like its a common theme amongst theists that they cant generally answer any Yes or Not based questions...

“Could it be god” implies there is a god that it could instead be, therefore it begs the question. It seems the question should rather be “could we imagine a god that created everything” so which I would answer, yes, we can imagine that. But I’m interested in what we can demonstrate to be true in reality, not just in our imagination.

We all would like to know the origin of the Universe - if for no other reason than to satisfy idle curiosity. But, only those who are serious about the question are willing to do the actual honest research needed to discover the answers. Everyone else just believes a "God" thing did it, or they don't care.

Ok then but which god? Personally i believe in Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe! The one true god of the Multiverse.

I don't need to beat myself up about how the universe came into existence, I can just accept it and use aspects of it to get through life. My position is perhaps it has always existed in some form, say energy. What triggered the singularity? Nobody knows.

It's just common sense to believe in an unproven all powerful bronze age God that defies all known physics and science, loosely based on other unproven older Gods that just happened to be in the same area and even though it was written up by sheepherders just coincidentally has over 500 references to sheep, flocks, shepherds lambs etc in the one and only book containing stories that are either retellings of older myths or events that could not and did not happen... Yup common sense... lol

I hate this one….we know how the fuck iPhones are made it’s not remotely the same thing….

The argument from ignorance yet again. I don't understand so 'god dun it'.

Just because something is commonly believed doesn't make it true. In fact, every new idea or discovery starts out with just one or very few having that idea or knowing about that discovery, but that doesn't make it wrong because still everyone else doesn't know about it.

Belief and Faith and Common Sense all appear to be the same word.

Issa: If they don't believe in God how do they explain where all this came from then? Me: "All this" is the cat's mother. You need to say *exactly* what you mean if you expect the question to be taken remotely seriously. 🙄

Oh. It's common sense. It convinced me, now I believe in God.

"Something from nothing" is a problem for these people unless god created everything from nothing.... got it😂😂😂 What a condescending dipstick he turned out to be.

I actually stopped believing at a young age (about 8, though maybe I never believed because I never really listened in church lol) because of common sense and from what a friend told me. We were playing outside one day and saw a rainbow. She turned to me and said that God created rainbows as a promise to never flood the world again. Even at 8 I knew how rainbows worked and thought to myself, "Wait, did rainbows just not exist before the flood?" Like, refraction works regardless of time, there is no way that rainbows just starting appearing one day. So I knew this had to be a lie and if that was the case what else was a lie. Of course it turns out the bible is a lie.

It's "common sense" to argue that the Sun revolves around Earth, because it certainly looks that way from our perspective down here on the surface of Earth. Thanks to scientific inquiry and the things we've ascertained about our planet's place in the known universe, we now know that's not the case. Understanding wrought from purely sensory means isn't always correct Issa. I'll grant Issa the difficulty of trying to grasp what "was" the nature of reality "before" the big bang, I certainly find it hard to fathom the idea that the potential of everything we can objectively verify in the universes current state existed in a singularity. With that admission of sciences limits out of the way, explaining it away with baseless speculation that a magic space wizard did it isn't very convincing. It's not even a tentatively good explanation.

This was a lot of fun. They really don't listen, or are just too stupid 😅.

Common sense is rarely common or sense.

I wish people would understand "common sense" is not an explanation nor a reason to believe something. It's like they think it adds some sort of credibility if it's commonly believed, and honestly feels like a sneaky little argumentum ad populum cuz just because a belief may be commonly held doesn't tell you whether or not it's true and I will never understand why they think it's a good argument

The earth is complicated and therefore must be designed by a creator. So Issa...is god complicated?

Common sense says the sun goes around the earth, because that's how it looks. Common sense says the earth is flat, because that's how it looks. Common sense is not the best guide to what's actually true.

Jeremy, Timothy, Peter, Mark, reject!

believing in a god is common sense ? i think its lacking all sense

We don't know, what has been before the Planck time, 5.5 10 Power -44 Seconds after beginning of time

Why are so many theists so desperate to have a belief about the origin of the universe? It's as if it's more important to have a belief about it than caring if it's what actually happened. Just believe in God if that makes you happy. But please understand that from the principle of parsimony alone, even the hypothetical idea that the universe popped into existence from nothing (please note that I don't think that's what happened), for no reason at all, is a better explanation than positing the existence of a being with consciousness, intelligence, and both the will and the capability to create universes, who, without explanation, just happens to exist as the default of existence. Also, from a scientific perspective, intelligence and consciousness are functions of complex, physical brains, not something that can exist "outside of time and space". So what you're proposing when you say God created the universe, is something we have no reason to believe to be possible.

same stupid story.

No entiendo por qué el humano defiende sus amigos imaginarios. Es facil vivir sin las reglas de un dios o amigo imaginario. Recuerden que los cristianos creen que las reglas de su dios les aplican a todo el mundo, son los únicos que creen que somos creación de un dios. Imagínate si ese dios existiera sería comunista por qué no quiere que adores a otros dioses solo quiere que lo adores a el . Los humanos tenemos el derecho de elegir si queremos las reglas de un dios en nuestras vidas no un monopolio religiosos

Can someone please attempt to explain why 2,024 years ago this religious rubbish started and not 100 years ago or 50,000 years ago ?! It all seems oddly coincidental to me that this nonsense started when technology started to get a grip but was still VERY basic compared to today and maybe people did not like what was being invented or the direction did not fit with theist belief. Why 2,024 years ago ???

IF THERE IS A GOD , ANY OF THE THOUSANDS IN HUMAN HISTORY , WHY IS THERE ANY QUESTION ABOUT HIS EXISTENCE ? GOD COULD HAVE , AND SHOULD HAVE , PROVEN HIS EXISTENCE . BUT NONE HAVE - EVER . UNTIL A GOD DOES PROVE HIS OWN EXISTENCE TO HUMANITY IT IS MOST LOGICAL TO CONCLUDE THAT THERE IS NO GOD

Well, God must have come from somewhere, like, right ?

Why do religious people like to word police you

I've heard a lot of talk about how people don't have a good reason to believe in their beliefs. (I'm not a Christian by the way. I don't believe in any of the Abrahamic religions.) I think I have a pretty darn good reason to believe what I do believe. What I believe in keeps me alive. It keeps me from doing something horrible to myself.

Everything must come from somewhere cause that's how I can only understand it ... Well what about your god ? Is he a thing or nothing? Well if he's a thing then from where he came from 😂 and if he's nothing then case closed 😂 but I know for a fact that theists want things to be : everything must come from somewhere except my god has always been there ( cause they think that will solve it ) while we could easily just say everything always existed ( like your god ) which is what science actually pointing at right now 😂

Is this a demand to believe in ur god issa

I will paraphrase to save time. You can watch and listen again to see if I heard correctly. One says, Complexity developed overtime but the singularity was not complex, it was simple ( that is a paraphrase ) The other says, Complexity is not a hallmark of design. Simplicity is a hallmark of design. ( also a paraphrase ) If both statements are true, is the simplicity of the singularity a hallmark of design?

Would you announce people's pronouns you should also ask them to explain why they think God has a pronoun, he

Opium of the secularists claims another victim. Liam Payne 31. Chose Xanax over god

If a was a diest ide say how the greek language is spoken differently as im Cypriot descent born Oz when greeks say 1000 times we dont use the word or meaning of time or fold we would just say 1k ,... 1k×1k= kinda similar to the age of thr universe. But remember i am an arhiest and i live in Australia that the oldest humans live on for 80k years .

An iphone is millions of time more complex than the universe. Even a nail clipper no matter how simple it looks is much more complex than the entire universe, because it serves a very specific need and purpose and other than human settlements we will never find a nail clipper anywhere in the entire universe.

God is trolling atheists, He's purposely doing things to make it hard for them to believe He exists.

If you ever find yourself questioning your existence or you want answers about what your purpose is in this life,The Q u r a n is the only book in the world which will give you the true answers to these questions.

Quiero abrirte los ojos sobre el cristianismo. Por sus frutos los conoceréis. ¿Qué dijo Jesús sobre la pena de muerte?, ¿qué dicen los cristianos sobre la pena de muerte?. ¿Qué dices tú sobre la pena de muerte?. ¡Menos mal que ahora los cristianos no apoyan la esclavitud como la apoyaban en el pasado!, al menos algo se ha mejorado. Soy un psicólogo y pensador racional y quiero ayudarte porque el cristianismo te está costando tu salud mental y economía. ¡Atento, que hay muchas personas que quieren vivir del cuento a tu costa y a mi costa!. Me gustaría que reflexionases sobre los beneficios del cristianisno en tu vida, ¿porque si no te ayuda a vivir feliz para que sirve?. Para salir del círculo tienes que entender Dios existe, si no entiendes Dios existe te resultará más difícil salir del círculo. Entendiendo Dios existe repentínamente toda tu vida importa porque Dios conoce la creación de Dios. Dios sabe todo (menos el futuro de la vida) porque es literalmente todo lo que existe y tus intenciones están expuestas. Se puede engañar a los demás pero no a Dios. Para entender Dios existe tienes que aprender lo que en la iglesia ni te enseñaron ni enseñarán porque te quieren ignorante. En la iglesia te repiten la Biblia y te asustan. Con el verdadero Dios solo tienes que estar asustado si eres una mala persona que hace daño a los demás. Para entender Dios existe tienes que entender la realidad es eterna porque de la nada no puede ser creado algo. Algo siempre existió, siempre existió algo antes. Ese algo que existió siempre es Dios, Dios es el creador de la creación o lo que tiene un principio de existencia. Para escapar del círculo tienes que entender el argumento cosmológico de kalam: Lo que tiene un principio de existencia tiene una causa porque de la nada no puede ser creado algo. Lógicamente es imposible la existencia de un número infinito de causas, luego tiene que existir una primera causa eterna no causada que creó lo que tiene un principio de existencia. Para escapar del círculo tienes que entender la falacia lógica atea. El ateísmo es una falacia lógica que asume Dios es la idea religiosa del creador de la creación y concluye erróneamente el creador no existe porque una idea particular de Dios no existe. El ateísmo es una falacia lógica que asume Dios es "el amigo imaginario que vive en el cielo y hace milagros a cambio de rezos y vivir de rodillas" y concluye erróneamente el creador no existe porque una idea particular de Dios no existe. ¡No tienes que creer en Dios, tienes que entender Dios existe!, ¡no eres una oveja que necesita un pastor!. Quiero que generaciones futuras sepan que los cristianos se negaron a pedir que se pruebe el Corán fue memorizado. Si los continuos casos de pedofilia por parte de líderes cristianos no hicieron mella en el fervor religioso de padres esperemos que el nuevo escándalo sea la gota que colme el vaso. El cristianismo está muerto y tú lo puedes enterrar haciendo saber a los demás que los cristianos se niegan a pedir que se pruebe el Corán fue memorizado. Se puede decir más alto pero no más claro. ¡La historia del cristianisno es una retahila de horrores!, y desafortunadamente las víctimas son niños inocentes y vulnerables. Un ejercicio para mejorar tu vida es leer a Spinoza, Spinoza es lectura prohibida para los cristianos. ¡Emergencia!, cada vida cuenta, cada momento vivo cuenta. Gracias.

Repent. Believe in Jesus Christ for salvation and become a new person in this life. Luke 13:3, Romans 10:9, 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV.......

You only need to observe life for 5 minutes to see that god does not exist and that there is no proof of his existence. So believing in god is not common sense, it's not believing in god which is common sense, it's being an atheist which is common sense. Believing in an imaginary invisible magical omnipotent omniscient perfect "being" is not common sense. NOT believing in an imaginary invisible magical omnipotent omniscient perfect "being" it's THAT the common sense.

I have no proof for this obviously, but I’ve become more and more of the opinion that the cosmos was never created/never came into being. The assumption that there was a “time” before time that lasted “forever” before somehow something changed to engender “time” and “reality.” Sounds like horseshit the more I ponder it.

Please share with every person who thinks it is more rational to believe in an imagined creator thing, than it is not to. One two part question for people with superstitious religious beliefs. (A) If someone told you (or you read in a book) that the sun used matches and candles to spread light and heat at night. Would it be obvious to you, how self evidently illogical, irrational, unreasonable and nonsensical this idea was? (Would you understand why)? (B) If someone told you (or you read in a book) that something capable of creating a universe and everything in it, used puny humans and books to spread accurate information. Would it be obvious to you, how self evidently illogical, irrational, unreasonable and nonsensical this idea was? (Would you understand why)? All gods are imaginary. No people = No imagined gods.