you're not alt -- you're just basic on dark mode 

I got a tiktok ad before the video 😂

I love you and your content but if you’re going to make videos talking about goth and emo etc please know what they actually mean as there is no “dressing goth” it’s a music based sub culture

Exactly what I just commented, I'm so glad another person understands

Punk is more about the political movement, though, which a lot of things named 'punk' have nothing to do with. I don't think people can really call themselves punk if they listen to Avril Lavine or something else that is just edgy pop. And people always forget Wednesday Addams for example is a gothic literature fan, not a goth. Gothics are forgotten so much in these conversations when Victorian fashion styled after mourning attire is so commonly worn, it's weird.

@@beththedarkmage3359 Well what do u think punk songs are about lol. The music and the politics go hand in hand. Most if not all punk music has to do with politics.

@ville__ saying goth is dead is unironically super hilarious. The subculture that's super morbid and spooky? Gosh who woulda thought

@monster-enthusiast Yes, water is wet. But I'm moreso talking about the stuff that labels itself punk when it's at best emo. That's what "normies" think punk is about- I've talked to so many people who think they listen to punk when they don't. This is coming from, you guessed it, a punk. It's still not dominantly a music subculture, you can be a punk without listening to that, you'd just need to enact social change with an anarchist mindset.

cartoons and anime really did ruin a whole entire generation of men

I literally used to see guys EVERYWHERE saying that they wanted a "goth girl" while guys can have preferences, they weren't really talking about a GOTH, they were talking about a girl wearing a black star hoodie and 'y2k' printed jeans 😅

As a brunette alt I'm sad 😢 lol

The RAGE 🔥 I can’t. What’s even more disgusting is seeing the exact same people that made my life HELL back then are now on TikTok as ‘adults’ making content, dressing as Punk or even Cosplaying, all the while claiming they’ve ‘always been alt’…. No Racheal…. That’s NOT reality & I’m damn sure gonna tell your kids the truth too, all their ‘be tolerant’ bs they spew now when THEY were the enemy back then, that’s a whole new level of YUCK. like, cute pink neko collar Kelly… do you remember when you AND your friends JUMPED me for wearing mine Freshman year? Or how about the time you kicked me in the BACK because I had a Rocky Horror Picture Show tin lunchbox? yea…. About that…🚮, fn posers.

Super random but soooo much respect to you for keeping on with who you are, it was so hard for me to really return to who I am while integrating what I picked up along the way, so gen that’s so mf cool that u were able to hold onto ur likes and still ride for the retention of the culture

Don’t blame it all on the “fake alt” ppl. A lot of the times we listen to the music WE like and dress how WE want and people call us goth/emo/punk for the way we dress. I’ve NEVER labeled myself any of those things, but other people call me them and when people hear that they say I’m fake even tho I never asked to be called that in the first place. I’ve never described myself as any alt group, and if I were to correct ppl anytime they called me a certain alt group, I would be having that convo every single day. I don’t want to deal with that, I just want to wear what makes me happy. And even then, my style changes every day bc I have clothes that fit literally every “aesthetic” or “style” or “subculture.”

All the original punks and goths were poor. The original looks from these subcultures were made by poor people for as little money as possible. How are you gonna say "I'm poor so I have to buy from shein" when the style of clothes you're buying were literally originated from poor people doing DIY? makes me so mad.

thriftying and DIY is like. the entire foundation of punk.

The last piece of clothing I bought new was socks. Almost everything else can be sourced for free somewhere if you know what you’re doing.

No fr and thrift stores are cheaper than shein

@@k4nd1incyb3rsp4c3I wouldn’t compare poor people then to poor people now. It’s much harder nowadays than back then to obtain anything. Back then, you could still get a house with below average credit. Btw I’m not defending SHEIN. I’ve never even bought from them.

in what way? bc you agree or disagree?

I've done the same lmao, I enjoy having my pastel pink hoodies and sailor uniforms on and then shocking people with my lifestyle and music taste, you really can't judge someone based on appearances alone

this comment made me puke a little... "lots of alts" "basic is the REAL unique!" do we really have to be doing this? can't we just be normal about style?

@@k4nd1incyb3rsp4c3 I've been dressing the way I want to for a very long time and used to get bullied/outcasted for it. Now that it's "in" I find it humorous to sometimes dress myself in a way I used to avoid back then. So no, I'll never be "normal" about style because it's fun to be stylistically outlandish.

I dress normal asf sometimes for punk shows because I’m going to be doing pit moves. Then if I’m like going to a bar I will wear something actually cute with lots of accessories

@@girlvoid do what you want but being different just for the sake of being different is dumb, and this is coming from someone with a huge range of stylistic tastes. I just wish we'd wear what we like instead of insisting we must be unique at all times.

You sound like someone complaining about emos in 00's

@@fensynency I don't remember emos complaining about emos

⁠​⁠​⁠@@nonamekakoyto7692probably because you were the one doing it like you are right now💀💀💀 emos complaining about "fake emos" was literally one of the biggest things in 00's in tumble and even outside of tumblr

@@BlackRose-rp7kv posing was never liked by anybody

@@nonamekakoyto7692 yea and neither was gatekeeping and policing people

Lolita always seemed very consumerist to me. There's a huge culture of buying up all the latest dresses and shaming people who don't dress head to toe in the best brands. It's why I never got into it, it's very inaccessible, strict style rules aside.

Of what I've seen, at least the reddit community doesn't seem to be that negative! Most of the people were supportive of having second hand *insert random store here* gloves, etc, and focused on helping people find out which pieces fit together the best and such@@k4nd1incyb3rsp4c3

@@k4nd1incyb3rsp4c3I have two methods for counteracting those mental tactics. I buy from cheaper shops and don’t give a fuck who whines about it.

I have so much respect for punk, not punk myself, but mad respect.

Thank u for the kind comment !!!!! :D have an amazing rest of the week and following year 🤍🤍🤍

I have found the CUTEST things at goodwill!

people who were cheaper clothing inspired by goth and emo culture still can be bullied like that

same. to this day, i have family members who a) make a joke about my genuine interests and the terrible depressive episode i went through while i dressed alt and b) call me a witch/satanist which is ridiculous lmao

@@lucievelyn4866 agreed! even though it is absolute nonsense, to know they were dumb enough to think 'yeah that makes total sense, these terms do not contradict themselves at all!" is kinda mind boggling, lmao....

i don't even consider myself a part of either but i know the culture

Same!!! The only thing wrong with my iPad was tiny dents, cracks, and scratches but they were all cosmetic and it works fine otherwise, it’s REALLY new too I think it came out in 2020 or something newer

Hyper consumerism is the issue if you aren't mindlessly excessively consuming it's fine

I may be mis-remembering, but I think miia has talked or at least mentioned this in one of her previous videos, and i think that many people (including myself) who are against fast fashion do not place judgement on those who buy from fast fashion because other options are inaccessible or are very mindful of their consumption

No you’re totally right. It’s not so much simply buying fast fashion itself bc lots of people basically have to, it’s the disregard for morals and human rights while labeling yourself as apart of a subculture that often includes counterculture politics and is most defined by the music taste, a lot of which being again, about protesting and politics lmao. So essentially, the problem is just being a fake / poser and not actually understanding or standing for what you’re supposedly representing. For example, I mostly agree with Mia but I also buy from SheIn. But I also thrift as much as I can of my wardrobe and DIY “edgy” clothing (up cycling) when I can, I mostly listen to alternative music, I’m very liberal/left to the point some would consider me radical, have taken part in peaceful protests, and I’m going to be a high school teacher where one of my main goals is not only to help my students succeed educationally but also have a safe space, be able to express themselves, be weird, be mad, be upset. So OTHER than SheIn, I think I very much fit what it means to be “alternative.”

​​@@xErinxxshein...uses...slave labor and at best pays pennies per item made. I don't know how you can push that aside. You save money because someone else isn't paid a living wage.

@@Unfortunately_MickeyI didn’t push that aside. I literally mentioned human rights lmao

FINISH UR HOMEWORK LORDDDD (I finished my 3D printing class homework right after this but lemme stfu cus I think a design degree is much less weight than whatever ur writing kgmfnkfnf keep going)

I think you mean embracing and not embarrassing? Unless I’m wrong? 👀

The terms get so watered down that a "clean goth" would probably go insane seeing a crust punk or hardcore deathrocker

Hmmmmm…. Something makes me think you stole it, I could be wrong though 🤔

you just described who I am now, I used to feel like I had to dress "alt" all the time because it was the only way to get others to know about my lifestyle, and regardless of the judgement I'd get back then, it was fun and I don't regret looking that way one bit. However, even if I stopped caring about how I looked and dressed the way that I want to (that switches from being stereotypically "alt" to extremely pastel and cutesy), you still can't take the lifestyle, music taste, and beliefs out of me (I haven't shopped in an actual store in years despite my shift in style), which is the point of being alt. The same could be said for those who think that dressing "alt"/""edgy"" will change them, you need to have the more important parts of the subculture within you to be considered "alt".

That’s actually why I call myself alternative! I listen to varying bands, like I can go from my chemical romance to lemon demon to leathermouth so for myself I don’t really put a label on it or my style other than alt but I really agree with punk beliefs and stuff! I just don’t actually know any punk bands 💀

I LOVE LOLITA SO MUCH (I know that wasn’t the point but I really like lolita)

she can’t :( it’s youtube that runs the ads, and if you’ve been engaging with news on israel and palestine, they’re more likely to show you ads from that topic, regardless of the “side”. i get a lot of ads for fundraisers for palestine AND a lot of israeli propaganda. the algorithm is fucked up

she can’t :( it’s youtube that runs the ads, and if you’ve been engaging with news on israel and palestine, they’re more likely to show you ads from that topic, regardless of the “side”. i get a lot of ads for fundraisers for palestine AND a lot of israeli propaganda. the algorithm is fucked up

hey, you've made some good points but I just want to supplement by saying that I wouldn't call dolls kill a good store to buy from. They're pretty similar to shein in that rhey also flood the market with cheap clothes, their manufacturers have like a zero rating in terms of sustainability practices and they have a history of stealing designs from smaller creators (such as Nicole Orchard. What sucks more is they stole an awesome design from a local Melbourne fashion student who had literally JUST started their online business and who makes their clothes with insane quality.) It sucks because seeing their clothes on pictures online bc it makes them seem high fashion at semi-affordable prices, but as someone who's bought from them in the past I know that the clothes I've gotten are cheap. It's nice that you spend the time to fix them up and repair them, that's actually a really commendable thing in this day and age, but I would still suggest putting that effort into secondhand clothes rather than into the stuff from dolls kill. If you want to look into the claims then I would recommend you look them up on good on you, and also read the article Aria Silva-Espinosa wrote about them on adolescent.net

@@evairywon thankyou friend, and I appreciate your desire to inform me about dolls kill and there was a time when I agreed with you but I have recently begun supporting the brand again. I disagree with that about shien - I would not lump them in with SHEIN, as their clothes are much higher quality, and most of the pieces that I do have, have lasted me for years and can be fixed or altered into different things. First of all again- the quality of clothing is higher than that of Shein and number two the price point is nowhere near the same as Shiens because they do actually price their clothes at a point to where they pay their manufacturers a fair wage. I know this because I know who their manufacturers are because I’ve looked into them, and I’ve gotten first fit samples with manufacturers tags on them so that is how I was able to look into them. As for the stuff that I agree with you on, including the design theft and some of the ignorant and dumb shock content designs - as far as I’m aware all of those issues are old and have been addressed and dealt with and I don’t see the company doing those things anymore, I started getting back into them from watching the Whatnot live auctions, and I have sort of seen over the course of 7 months of almost daily viewing that They do listen to and value like valid and current criticisms and feedback - like they do listen. I’ve seen it and they try to do better based on criticisms that they can actually address, but if they’re not doing something anymore how can they keep addressing it especially if they’ve already addressed it and apologized? All of the graphics that they do now all of their designs are all done by like an in-house graphics team they’re actually really proud of that now, they did a bunch of stuff for charity on Whatnot in the last six months too. Plus I ended up getting to tour their headquarters and meet the designers and shipping department, and all the people behind the brand, and they do care very much about what people think of their image and their brand, and it was also seeing headquarters and meeting the people who designed the clothes, seeing how many people that worked there that said that their life had genuinely been changed for the positive by the company, and there were so many different kinds of people working there, and they all just seemed like genuinely really happy to be there and like invested in what they were doing and like in finding out what we want as customers. It was that and the whatnot auctions and the daily interactions there and being able to look into the manufactures that made me decide to give them a second chance - because they’re not doing the same things anymore. All the issues that I see circulating about them are bringing up the same old issues about things that they’re not doing anymore. Now the second that I see them start stealing designs again, or putting out offensive designs, then I’ll voice my opinion and put monetary pressure on them to do better. A lot of the other complaints about them about size inclusivity, and all of that- those are all things that EVERY alt brand struggles with and gets complaints about, in fact it’s a fashion wide problem. I do really feel like I’ve seen them trying though. I don’t feel bad for shopping with them because I do try to shop sustainably and do my best and do my part. I don’t wear clothes once or just for a picture. I keep my clothes until they literally disintegrate and I either donate them or make them into something new. I buy a lot of secondhand, but there is certain pieces that I really love and when it comes to Dolls kill and I feel like they’re a lot more ethical than fucking SHEIN or romwe, and I would say they are about as bad as forever 21 or h&M or whatever was, however my clothes from dolls kill have lasted longer than my stuff from those places. So yeah I’m giving them another chance and I do happen to buy a lot of secondhand and consignment, and make my own clothes. I grew up a political activists daughter and generally try to be a non negative presence on the planet

@ville__ ok girl yet you replied💀

At this point, why are you still friends

@@teetheatersanonymous we arent really friends i just dont know what to refer to them as lmao

@cluuuu860im not sure, i know they're technically fast fashion so that could factor into the quality of their items.

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From the VERY little I know it’s basically like in a capitalist society all consumerism isn’t ethical because capitalism ISNT very ethical, now I haven’t done like any research at all but that’s what I gathered from what they said in the video. If I’m wrong let me know!

From the VERY little I know it’s basically like in a capitalist society all consumerism isn’t ethical because capitalism ISNT very ethical, now I haven’t done like any research at all but that’s what I gathered from what they said in the video. If I’m wrong let me know!

not rlly@ville__

@cluuuu860 From what I've seen in most cases they don't last, but I really think it just depends on how much you wear them

@@come_to_the_sabbath I can also be opinionated lmao and that’s make opinion, and this is THE INTERNET where I am MORE then allowed to comment whatever the hell I want too lmao

@@come_to_the_sabbath and good for you? You sound like a terrible person? But go off sis, not to mention I was raised by metal heads but I don’t really let what other people do effect me lmao

@@hethelbrooke8724 you want to have your own opinions but don’t like when others have an opinion…?

@@hethelbrooke8724 it don’t seem like it 😭 you literally mad about what i said responding real fast. if you don’t get bothered then why respond. as for me i’m well aware i’m a hater and accept it lmfao

@@come_to_the_sabbath you’re telling me to let people be opinionated, and I’m saying so can I