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Can you say if the third core perk affect range damage? I see the guide but I have a doubt about that perk effect on charge attacks, don't know if only affect melee.
@@emrockerstilish Overcharge does not boost plasma shots and only affects charged melees. Go load into a mission shoot a ranged major with it on and off to test it yourself. (Melee majors have ranged damage resist.)
@@Zerosixious Yes perk description is somehow misleading, we need to have an arena where we can make damage calculation on different type of enemies like in dartide.
@@J.B.1982 Because it has been tested and confirmed. People began to question it because the icon for the perk is a stomp and sure enough it was confirmed it only affects melee stomps
@@Browncoatful Oh. That’s pretty lame. Does it actually help hit a good breakpoint? I’ve run with it the whole time because it thought it was just making my guns stronger.
I’ve been trying to tell everyone who will listen, Heavy Plasma is the highest output weapon for this class. It’s incredible when you get good with it.
Forget the class. It's the highest output weapon in the game, full stop. I ran Fall of Atreus on Ruthless with a Tactical on my squad and we had a Hellbrute spawn in the generator area. That thing died in 9 seconds, I kid you not. 4 fully charged plasma shots with the Auspex debuff active and then switched to my plasma pistol and smacked him with that once for good measure. I did 75% of his health in damage all by my lonesome.
It feels like it's bugged, sometimes. I lob shots (even fully charged) into the shitty little cultists, and I can *literally* see them being engulfed by the plasma... but they don't react. I don't know, is it supposed to work like that? Sometimes it feels like it has no area at all. I know it's not a mortar, it's not going to make huge explosions, but I wouldn't expect it to require pin-point accuracy when it's intended as a damn arced projectile.
Level 22 heavy here. I play going for highest number of Assists. I stay near everyone laying suppressive fire while snipers use my shield to click heads and i clean up the surrounding runners. It works fantastic. Top 1-2 99% of the time.
I agree, this is objectively just a bad way to play the class. Ultimately play how you want and if it makes you happy don't worry what other people think. But objectively you should be dishing out the highest kill counts bar none
I wish the heavy's primary weapons could come with block/balance/fencing since they don't get a melee weapon. Because regardless of how well you play, you will find yourself in melee situations regularly
As long as you get the timing right, it's actually super easy to parry with the Heavy, so getting lots of gun-strikes on enemies is a great way of dealing damage in melee.
The heavy weapons are technically balance weapons already. With gunstrikes and back pedaling the melta is the best weapons for slaughtering the hordes by yourself. You’re the most capable with a melta
As someone leveling the plasma incinerator i am a believer: the weapon is cut from a fabric like no other in the game, its insane how powerful it feels
Top row perks was the first one I tried but really the hands down best perk for the heavy plasma is the cost reduction for charged shots.. 3 energy is dirt cheap (though 5 isn't breaking the bank either). I guess it comes down to how often you end up firing commons when you dont want to swap to secondary
5 ammo charged shot actually deals less damage than 5 common shots (102:125), not picking -2 is just an indication of pure ignorance and unprofessional.
@@ДанилоЯнчук That perk does not work for ranged weapons, it only effects your charged melee attacks. Whether this is a bug or intended, it has been tested a great deal and confirmed.
@@Browncoatful dont know if the changed this patch, but tooltip says "damage from charged melee attacks increases by 20%" so pretty sure its not a bug.
So it turns out that plasma weapons can't headshot, according to recent datamining. You'll still get the X symbol for a headshot, but no extra damage. This is obviously done to balance the big charge shot damage, so just a bit of info for your play experience.
yeah jjust aim for the body or ground with plasma weapon...no point trying to be accurate with headshot....meanwhile boltgun however i wish they increased damage headshot across the boards for all of them to compensate for weak ass bodysuit
I prefer plasma that gives extra ammo, and the perks for plasma are: bottom until the perk that decreases ammo usage of charged shots by 2 (which is crazy good 40% more ammo conservation for charged shots), and then go for the top row. This allows not to worry about ammo, like at all. Which also allows to choose in the character team perk ranged damage reduction (which is the best choice, imo), instead of more ammo capacity. As for the rate of fire I've noticed that you use heavy stance only when charging. If you need rate of fire against manoris you also can use heavy stance for it, with the weapon perks that I've described your rate of fire is also very high in heavy stance, even with plasmas that don't have a rate of fire focus on them.
Dude the plasma’s pure insanity in the hardest difficulty. I never played boltgun, but it’s clear how powerful the plasma is when you get used to the mechanics.
That’s almost exactly the same build I run but I was screwing with the weapon perk tree. Bolter is more fun but plasma is where it’s at. Also I think my buddy and I ran a couple missions with you earlier. He was leveling tactical and I was leveling vanguard, red armor, melta / knife missions 2 and 6. Either that or someone else is running around in a plasma heavy with your exact color pattern. If so we enjoyed rolling with a heavy that knew how to play.
I started out with the plasma incinerator and completed missions wayyyy above my level no problem. I just played like an artillery and it worked great!
ive done nothing but use the heavy bolter and its sooo much fun aswell broken at stomping tyranids. you can easily get 50%+ dmg bonus on the 10 dmg H bolter and its insane
@@Flakzor123yeah considering headshots deal quadruple damage, it’s nearly impossible for the 10dmg bolter to come close to the damage output of the 4 accuracy one
@@atlasstoned The accuracy relic model with both perks for the damage and spread in heavy stance (30% damage/20% reduced spread) make it a laser. It's so easy to just get a ton of headshots and put something into execute almost immediately. It's my go to heavy weapon especially for the Chaos missions. It obliterates rubric marines and terminators.
All good points, and I think you could be right and this is a better build. But have you considered that I am a Salamander and you can take my Multi-Melta when Nocturne freezes over?
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That’s why I had heavy maxed first lol, it’s the best ranged build, melta at relic is fantastic but it’s Great in any difficulty. They should up the ammo cap by 50 after the poor update a few days ago with 10 x the enemies and less ammo access with less armor because let’s make the game less fun instead of just making it more difficult by adding lots of enemies and extremises and bosses and leaving the armor alone.
It's a bit subjective, Heavy can actually solo ruthless with all 3 weapons and all 3 of them are pretty good. Melta just starts out easy from the get go.
Honestly I spent almost no time with multi melta it don't have the range I want and it's boring. What works is heavy bolter relic, with 2x heavy might 2x heavy precision, discipline, adamant restoration, head hunter, perpetual penetration. It's absolutely shreds everything, especially Rubric Marines, and nothing compares to it with Ad clearing. With rounds going through your targets your hitting / killing 2 for the price of one. The HUGE accuracy boost from weapon and class perks + w.e your team members perks may bring to the table you can spam head shots 90%+ even at mid range. Long range still possible just learn to burst fire and control your shots. Seriously invest heavy bolter or plasma cannon depending on your style avoid the multi melta. That's my hot take, the Emperor protects. Walk softly and carry a big gun
I guess you never tried running it with the range variant and all the range / damage perks. It becomes a fiery cannon of death that can clear entire hordes including majoris and extremis.
had a dude in a game that had a full on Go at me becuase i wasn't using the melta or plasma. people like that need to go back to sweaty battle royale games and let people play how they want, REAL SOLDIERS KNOW HOW TO BE EFFECTIVE WITH ANYTHING!
I go for the ammo perks and get one of yhe faster chargers, and do not get the last two in the top row More ammo and charged shots for 3 instead of 5 lets you shoot for days
Counter Argument: I enjoy ripping apart the scrabbling hordes of bugs with both my heavy bolter AND my multi melta more than the plasma, even if it’s meta
Top Damage on Ruthless for me with a Heavy Bolter was 27,300something damage. If the team is not slacking my damage is around 20k. Every thing on the heavy is viable, Melta a little less so just because its outranged by the other primaries. I just prefer the Heavy Bolter because you pretty much have zero downtime. You got ammo? you can shoot.
I feel so stupid. I have 5 days playtime and I just realized you can only have one perk in each tree equipped. I had the understanding if you bought it you got it. The days of wasted synergy 😭
What about the fact that the meltas still the best heavy weapon. Even after the over heal bug was patched. They get too close and the plasma and bolter become a liability. The melta is the king. “Come to me xenos, I will assist in your purging” kinda play style
I hate the travel time of the plasma blasts. I feel the enemy dog so often AND the amount of times the shots just don't register. Heavy bolter forever.
Been using this for a while, got it in PVP as well and the charged shot seems to oneshot some people (or at least close) in PVE, the bolt weapons are meant for headshots, the bodyshot damage is a lot lower. I enjoy the plasma incinerator a lot because it's a little versatile, the single shots have a minor aoe blast as well and work vs the minoris while the charged shots, my goodness....
I loooove the heavy plasma incinerator since the changes. But I have to say, after experimenting a LOT with builds for this, imo going full bottom row on the weapon is the play. The -2 cost for charged shots is so good, and the increased projectile speed makes it so much better at sniping those sentries. Spamming charged shots is silly damage. My favourite mission to farm on heavy is the one with the giant dragon, because you can kill it so fast, it's silly damage. You can go a hybrid build to pick up the cost reduction and a bit of the extra charge time reduction, but I actually feel this is worse than it seems, because you really want to stay above 50% heat for the extra damage, so charging faster actually doesn't add much DPS since you have to wait the same amount of time between the shots so you don't overheat.
@@webbc99 While I’ve run the projectile speed before and it does feel good, you give up 20% damage on charged shots (2top line perks) and therefore miss a crucial breakpoint of 1 charged shot to put a ranged majoris into execute.
Me too, i find the overheat perk is next to useless, especially for plasma, by the time you get 50% heat, either you shoot a few more common shot or lob a big shot and wait for vent. Rather have the more health, since you need to tank. For weapon perk, yes, bottom seems better, you can sustain your dps longer.
I tried it before the update. Only used it once and never tried again. Now I tried it day 1 of the update and my God it was night and day. I haven't used the melta since the update. So good. Definitely try it if you haven't.
2 reasons. First, you never want your back to a wall in this game. It just takes one major in the wings shooting vines to trap you in there to take a ton of unnecessary damage. So I'm repositioning so my back is to the cave just in case I need room to work with. Second reason, I talk later in the video about smart ammo use. I just got in a habit of trying to keep everything in front of me so I can get the most splash damage possible with each shot. Taking a little scratch from a gaunt or two is no big deal anyway, we were never in any real danger in that clip were we?
Pick up the slack where? I clear everything solo in ruthless with multi melta easily.. What are u saying? Heavy Plasma is OP too but why would you ever even need a team if u got multi melta?
Sorry if I didn't make it clear, brought it up twice in the video though that the Melta rifle's damage output against single targets is a fraction of the Plasma's. It's literally not close. The Plasma cooks mobs just as well as the Melta, can do it from much further away, and like I showed multiple times in the gameplay you can even pick the sniper off in the back of the room without having to make your way over to them. It's just got far more versatility than the melta.
@@TrueVanguard yea ik it can 1 shot majoris, but Melta still erases majoris too, every shot is an automatic stagger too, you just have to know how to conserve ammo, but when you already have the plasma pistol it's kind of pointless having heavy plasma cuz that thing can put majoris into execution stage in 2 shots too from even further then the heavy plasma. But I mean I agree it's a nasty gun, just don't agree how weak u try to make the melta seem to hype it, multi melta is the best gun in the game and easily handles everything. A lot of people don't know how crazy good the plasma pistol is, I see people not using it right or using bolt pistol when plasma pistol is by far one of the best weapons in the game period. Fully charges shots have all the range and damage..
My main issue with the heavy class is it looks. The armor set you could get just look like a more plain and boring tactical class. at least tactual get some Roman and Spartan seems going, but the heavy class doesn’t get much personality at all. I would love to be a bad ass tank, Holland, the heaviest weaponry, the emperor could provide, but it looks really do it for me. I mean this game is mostly about cosmetics, looking bad ass, but you kill xenos and heretics.
Heavy bolter is un-ironically one of the good boltgun in the game, along with stalker / bolt GL / PLASMA and melta....it fix the problem of 70% of boltgun in the game by having alot of ammo to compensate for peashooting damage i want to love heavy bolt rifle but 50 rounds and only 240 reserve, i will go empty after 4 majoris (all aiming at the head) and ammo box only give back 1 mag instead of 2-3 mags.
a mean is fun to use the heavy plasma, and aim to the majoris and kill it, but for me the sniper is where I have fun in that aspect, one shotting majoris and thousand sons, but I don't know I just like the melta, when you go heavy stance and you just spray that thing, is just so satisfying and damage buff, and yes I have all classes max and both melta and plasma max, and is not that i cant aim, but is just more of a preference I suppose.
I made a heavy thats decked out in red white and blue with eagles everywhere and most importantly I use the Armour with the two skulls and a bone hanging between your legs. Yea they gave the heavy truck nuts....its the perfect MERICA heavy armor and I just laugh everytime I see it. Yes its dumb no I don't care lol
@@TrueVanguard I suggest you train on it. Using the high mag plasma pistol and those perks is a blast. Also good in clearing and increased efficiency on both plasma.
@@martinsauer8431 It's not really a training issue, I use the plasma pistol on plenty other builds. Like it said, it's preference. Having a second plasma weapon in this build feels redundant and unnecessary to me, I just prefer to have a reliable hitscan secondary with this setup personally.
For mouse and keyboard players first thing change toggle ads to hold it makes a night day difference how the class feels. Also rebinding melee and ads lol scroll wheel is forever the worst keybinding mainly cause its a good way to kill your mouse lol
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Should really run Plasma Pistol as your secondary, as the second and third perks in your Heavy build buff it as well. Make the most of your perks, and you will make it back to the Battle Barge alive. Courage and honor.
@@Zerosixious You by chance have more data on that than the icon for the perk? All the plasma weapons have "Charged Attacks" after all. Not trying to say you are wrong, just looking for more info.
@@D3rpp00l I literally tested it myself on both the plasma pistol and Plasma Heavy. Tested on both, with and without the perk, all on the ranged major type mobs since they have no DR to range like melee majors have. There are also others in comments including TV admitting that the perk is melee only. The devs in this game are iffy on their perk design and perk description. For instance, the Sniper perk is actually 100% and not 75%. You also cannot change weapons while invisible or take damage when invisible or you lose the damage. Tac base scan is 50% increase and the perk that gives it 100% more actually just increases it to 100%... Unless you take the plus 75% as well. Then it gives the 50% back and you get 225% which is absolutely busted. The headshot perks on the guns also do more than what they say if you take multiple of them and way out damage the flat percentage damage perks for some reason. Also, like half the perks in the game are borderline useless or are hard to pull off consistently. Especially the 5 second ones which basically get eaten by the time it takes to gunstrike or charge a shot after.
sorry man, 50 rounds on the multi melta and being able to infinitely stagger a pack of majors is just too op, ill leave the single target damage to everyone else
Right? I can single handedly take a dozen warriors my self with a melta. Take out all the accompanying gaunts too. Good luck doing that with anything else
Black Templars don't take backseats when it comes to killing Tyranids or Chaos. No matter what I'm using I'll always be up front where the glory is. 😁👍
Objectively, heavy plasma has more DPS than any other weapon in the game, by a lot. It’s like 50% more than the next highest, and that’s to single targets, it also deals that DPS in a huge AOE. This is indisputable now from the datamined weapon data.
venting speed actually affects max heat capacity, so you can fire more shots consecutively before needing to cool off, this might be practically higher fire rate than the firerate version(which seems geared toward uncharged use).
Fire rate affects charge speed (-0.45s) for the relic version which is huge. The problem with the venting speed gun is that you basically can’t get above 50% overheat for the damage buff. IMO being able to put out burst damage when needed with 1-3 charged shots in like 1.3s (or less) each depending on build is so much stronger than just putting out several more charged shots but at like 1.8s or greater each. 2 charged shots will wipe any non boss enemy in the game so that’s all you need.
I use the melta when i know i gotta carry people in ruthless jsut so i can keep crowds under control and that overheal going, if i dont gotta carry, ill run either heavy bolter or plasma incinerator and jsut shred. I do feel like the plasma incinerator needs a slightly largely blast radius effect tho
I run top row plasma perks when I *have* to carry because it lets the gun larp as a melta when you go into heavy stance. I usually don't bother with heavy stance, but when you have 5+ majoris about to be in your face, you have to get your stagger aoes dropped before they stagger you, cuz single shots won't save you from multiple whip tyranids.
Gonna be real, post-patch, the Melta isn't even good. I don't want you clearing out all of the minoris, they are a source of effectively infinite health because I can just parry them constantly to refill armour. The real dangerous enemies are now the ranged enemies that are too far away to hit with a melta or melee, and they can't be parried of course. The plasma is perfect for sniping them. Melta clears out the little guys in melee, now I'm getting annihilated by ranged attacks with no source of armour nearby.
Its also not good at early tiers of the gun much like the heavy bolter it takes till almost relic to be good. Meanwhile melta is good from green onward and before the nerf the tzangors and chaos marines the almot unlimited melta ammo made it far and above the best weapon
@@DC-ml6cv it'll never cease to amaze me how friggin' weird RU-vid commenters are sometimes lol I just have a different opinion on something and you actually go and type that whole sentence out and never once stop to ask if it's something a normal person would do
All weapons have their place, I would say the melta on heavy is actually it’s worst weapon (that’s not saying the weapon is bad) heavy bolter wrecks everything too. As long as you use it right. Plasma heavy is strong there’s no doubt. But don’t discount heavy bolter. I outperform damagewise others who use plasma with my bolter pretty easily. As long as you know how to aim at heads the damage and clear comes easily especially on bosses/elites.
FYI there are perks on the plasma pistol that benefit the heavy plasma incinerator and vice versa. Any perk on the tree for either of the guns that says something like "plasma WEAPONS get [insert buff here]" means it benefits BOTH GUNS. They don't always stack together, but it still works. Heavy is the only class as far as I can tell that can run two plasma weapons at once and is therefore the only class that can take advantage of this.
Theres a perk in both of the trees that says something along the lines of "charged shots cost two less ammo for plasma weapons" but even if you take both of those perks the heavy incinerator will not go any less than 3 for a charged shot. However if you take the "plasma weapons get 20% more ammo reserves" on the heavy incinerator, the pistol gets it as well
If I'm wrong, please tell me. But as far as I can tell, most of the perks that are worded like that benefit both weapons, which allows you to have more freedom customizing the perk trees
I've been running the plasma ever since I leveld it up, the melta got boring real fast, bolter felt good once level'd so I started leveling the plasma and I Was like "my god, best of both worlds" and it works well against both nids and chaos. It always feels way more rewarding than melta and don't need to worry about headshots unlike with the bolter. I honestly think you took the wrong perks on the weapon though, you should start bottom and then only go upper line for the charged shots and then finish that line. That way you'll have supreme ammo economy AND charged damage.
I maxed all three heavy weapons and all have different strengths and weaknesses. I think the best thing about heavy melta is you can move around all the time except for an instant moment you shoot. It also forces enemies to hit back and stand still for a while. Especially against massive crowds of enemies we often encounter, we hardly get hit while also devastate them with shoot and dodge move. The weakness of melta is it’s risky to use it against bosses. It causes a lot of hate from bosses, make them keep sticking to you. The damage doesn’t worth the risk either. I’d rather use uncharged plasma pistol to stay away and safe when carring heavy melta. Heavy plasma and melta are two different weapons imo.
