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The more I'm seeing these, the more I'm seeing you can really just rock whatever you want. Just spec into it and you can make it work, which is awesome!
Always could, same with Helldivers. People are just too obsessed with following the meta and doing as they're told instead of reading stuff for themselves and using their own heads.
This is how it's always been. The problem is that the current generation of gamers are mainly metaslaves that don't want to account for personal skill-level (perhaps ironically, given how ego is so intrinsically tied to gaming these days). METAslave players prefer when a weapon compensates for skill level and gamesense, which in turn builds bad overall habits. A player with good footwork, timing, and command of the character's abilities can stay alive and win _regardless_ of the weapon they have equipped, because they understand how to use it within the limitations of its design and stats, because they're a better player. There are of course exceptions (sometimes devs miss the mark in equipment design or stats), but by and large, if you spend your time honing your positioning and gamesense, you'll open so many more doors for your flexible enjoyment of a game. Whether SM2, Helldivers 2, or pick-your-shooter. Dont be afraid to use off-meta stuff long enough to get good with it. It feels good, and it's also a fun, low-key flex to bring overlooked gear to the winning podium, because then you KNOW that player's good when they didn't need the META handicap to win.
@@Trepanation21 It has less to do with being a metaslave and more to do with some weapons being absolute ass until you're level 20+ and have your weapon pumped up to Relic tier. It takes time to level things up in this game which is why _some_ weapons that people thought were weak are starting to shine.
Every other YTer: "I found the best weapon everyone has been "sleeping on". TrueVanguard: "Thanks for pointing out I was wrong" Now that's class, Brother.
The relic heavy bolter with accuracy is so so good; constant stream of shells into a majoris enemies head, chewing hordes, melting Terminus enemies it does a lot. It's just a bit of slog to get to relic weapons, but does open up in artificer and yes, you're going to have to learn to play the game unlike the melta
Before the nerf to Chaos, I was consistently getting 20k Damage on the Bolter. The key to to aim at head height to get the multiplier off and using the Kraken bolt perk you'll chew through hordes like nobody's business. I even hit 30k Damage on Fall of Atreus. I love this gun so much.
So, Trick I've been using as a Heavy main. Use your Heavy stance to move the heat gauge to about 75% then switch to your hip fire since it holds heat at current level. this gives great add clear and mobility. Yes the bloom is huge, but against a crowd it doesn't matter. It also allows consistent use of the damage buff perk and movement while firing. Its allowed me to push back against the front line, or fall back while still chipping away at their numbers.
Way I describe the Heavy weapons to friends getting into the game: Melta - anti swarm, it murks the little guys and stuns everything smaller then bosses, but has issues actually killing Majors or up though it can stagger lock groups of them to death if it has to. You’re actually better off pulling out a plasma pistol to dps bosses in Ruthless then using this. Hands down the best gun in lower difficulties where even boss enemies lack durability. Plasma - Heavy killer. Deals gut busting levels of damage to single targets with just enough splash to assist with swarm control. Absolutely destroys bosses of any sort. Bolter - Pretty good at everything. Mostly shines in drawn out fights where its constant dps output begins to shine. Handles single targets and swarm equally well.
Give the Tactical's Heavy Bolt Rifle a serious try using the same mindset as with this. With Kraken rounds it tears through swarms and can be burst fired (usually 5ish rounds before letting the bloom drop back to neutral) at heads to take out majoris surprisingly fast, but you need to land those headshots. I found it really weak like everyone else when spray and praying, but using this strategy it's actually not awful, at least usable.
heavy boly rifle i've found success with in terms of you can just shoot shoot parry, shoot shooot parry. With recent updates, you should not be getting rekt by swarms by just parrying the little guys at the right time. But a lot of randoms i end up grouped with get rekt by swams cause all they do is swing swing swing. even some bulwarks i've seen. like dude, power stance light attack into gunstrike will literally make you god, how r u dying to a bunch of gaunts.
@@Guo1234bob Agreed. I like to use the perk that increases ranged damage after a gunstrike and slap a burst in to the Elite's face afterwards, combined with Auspex scan on parry, as well as the weapon perks that boost headshot damage, it puts in work like this. I open by clearing out as many Minoris as I can before engaging. That's the thing about the Heavy Bolt Rifle...it doesn't do any one thing exceptionally, but it's very versatile. Fits quite well with the Tactical's "Jack of all trades" Identity
FINALLY SOMEONE SHOWS SOME LOVE TO HEAVY BOLTER! Its so underrated and so many refuse to use this gun when the first levels of heavy bolter is bad, but relic bolter shreds both tyranids and heretics. All difficulties and all tiers of enemies
Fun 40k fact ; The Infernus Heavy Bolter is a pattern of heavy bolter used by the Deathwatch. These weapons are mag-clamped with rare suspensor discs that reduce the weapon's weight considerably. It is also equipped with a Heavy Flamer. ; - “My Heavy Bolter has seen nearly as many worlds as I have. It has awed primitive warriors, overcome lesser foes by the dozen, and has often been underestimated by my enemies. It has served me well.”- BATTLE-BROTHER RAFE WIDOWMAKER OF THE SPACE WOLVES telling tales of his beloved Ancient Infernus “Longfang of Russ” over a poisonous concoction of ale with his Brothers of the Long Watch. FOR THE EMPEROR!!!!!
my tip that made heavy bolter come alive for me was to change the keybind. Right click to aim, and in the settings set it to [hold] instead of toggle. That made it significantly easier to get in and out of ADS on this class, which is incredibly important. I have melee and parry set to M4 and M5.
i feel like now more than ever, you can run all 3 of the heavy's primary weapons and you can't really go wrong, melta has close range minoris clear and ease of use, the heavy bolter is better for DPS on extremis enemies and longer range engagements. while the plasma with its buffs fits somewhere in the middle with the AOE and arcing shots. if i see any guides on heavy online i expect them to have perk selection for ALL 3 of the primary weapons. people are allowed to have their favorite but just because its THEIR favorite its not EVERYONES favorite.
@@phucletran2860 sure, but zoanthropes die fast and still can easily be hit and staggered by melta Its only the neotrope that sometimes flys really high up and eats all your plasma pistol ammo
But, I HIGHLY recommend turning off camera shake in the camera options. It makes it SO smooth and WAY easier to hit those longer shots. Can't go back to how it was myself lol. It almost feels like a cheat code. Seriously OP.
Whats happiest place for a Heavy? Tight next to and snugging the ammo box! Multi melta is ok, but the plasma heavy is SO GOOD! U can shoot in your legs to clear a room with the AOE, the charged DPS is capable of one shotting Majors. I highly advice people to lvl Heavy with plasma pistol and main and then when high lvl to go and then level the heavy bolter. Heavy bolter is really really good but only once you hit maxed out Artisan Mastery. Before that it hurts. A great setup is to have all healing percs because you can tank bosses in heavy mode and just shoot. Contested health is healed, armour vs waves etc. Also going for more bolter penetration is great. Melta is my least favourite because you really must kill the target you are shooting.....random players just execute left right and center.....so start with plasma, by 13 you have the best notes for it and get it to Artisan/Relic easily! Then go for heavy bolter and compensate with your great Heavy perks. A trick i love is the explosive Barrier, yes you cant move in heavt stance but you also cant be interupted healing with the heavy bolter and by the time you are in trouble- Barrier exploes and kills all! On a heavy bolter you can just blow up a swarm around you so you never have to stop just shooting Brother!
As a Heavy main who loves bolters and hasn't touched the melta, this video makes me so damn proud. There's something about bolters that make it feel very manly to use lol
This is my Heavy Bolter Build - My Main (Over 20K range damage every game on Ruthless) Perks: - Auxiliary Ammunition (Ammo Issue. Just save a grenade once your guns empty or pistol whip a barrel). - Thermal Boost (15% damage. Managing gun heat between 50% and 100% will condition you to pick your shots which will save more ammo. Taking pauses shooting to manage heat also gives your more accuracy to maximize dps). - Versatility - Additional Supplies (Ammo) - Consecutive Executioner (10 quick kills for a free grenade. Save it til you need to use Auxiliary Ammunition to replenish Ammo). - Abdurate Bastion - Brute Force -Conversion Field ---------- Weapon: Gathalamor Crusade Perks: Fast Venting Perfect Cooling (Perfect dodging an enemy completely cools your weapon). Increased Capacity (More ammo) Head Hunter Perpetual Penetration Adamant Restoration (More Ammo) Heavy Might Heavy Might Heavy Precision Heavy Precision Discipline (25% more damage at low ammo)
@@floorpizza8074 honestly the damage i don't think is so much the issue. I feel if multiple shots to the same target broke blocks and/or staggered them. It would feel really good.
@@sreggad Head shots (yes, the heavy bolter can head shot for those that don't know) > block. If a swords crossed blocking nid is approaching, head shots will take him down. Just takes a lot of them.
@floorpizza8074 sure. that doesn't change how the heavy bolter doesn't really feel like it punches thing. Melta feels like it hits like a mack truck cause it basically one shots minoris and staggers majoris. While I haven't used the heavy plasma I assume it staggers at full charge like all other plasmas. The heavy bolt doesn't do that. So to make it feel like it punches hard without increasing the damage would be nice to have it break blocks or staggers after multiple hits. I would prefer break blocks cause it would feel really good in team play to have a weapon that does that.
@@sreggad Yup, I completely agree. Heavy bolter feels like it's only good for canon fodder clearing only, and even then, it could use a buff. But it *really* needs a buff to feel anywhere nearly as good as the two alternatives. I actually agree with everything you said, I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page as far as head shots working on blocking enemies. They do work, they just don't hit hard enough. Since the last patch, the plasma incinerator, IMO, is going to end up being the new meta once everyone levels it up. It literally does it all.. crowd control, breaks blocks, works on flying bosses, stuns... it does all the things. I really wish the heavy bolter would be buffed to feel the same way the plasma incinerator feels now.
Heavy Bolter is my favorite weapon, and it’s the biggest reason I play heavy. It needs some minor buffs and quality of life changes. Imo as you said it needs an easier way of regaining ammo, it needs a small damage boost, and it needs a little more piercing and guard break/stagger power. Do that and it’s perfect.
Heavy bolter is great, not as good as heavy melta, but really good nonetheless. It just can't compete with one shot wiping out 20 nids, the overall good dmg and the mass aoe stuns the melta does
I've been using the heavy bolter for a while on this class and I can say without a doubt, it's really good. It chews up minoris hordes with ease, without having to get terribly close; and has a generous parry window. It doesn't say what specifically it is, but if I had to guess, it's probably 'fencing.'
Both heavy bolter and heavy plasma are fun to play with precisely because they actually require you to think a bit about what you are doing Whereas with melta you just click lmb, that's it
The Heavy Bolter is outrageously solid. It won't be flashy. But it will output damage on any target you want, at a rate that is faster, and more consistent than any other class and weapon.
It was always amazing from day 1. Just atand ur ground spray and pray... heal back any damage you take instantly. Didn't watch the video cause I'm at work but if u didn't know you definitely need to take the heavy hits do not interrupt so u can just stand there through anything and outheak any damage you take.
Decent weapon but , it needs to directly compete with the super buffed heavy plasma weapon. It just can’t keep up in either aoe or boss , mini boss damage. It can do ruthless very easily of course but everything can at this point.
I find myself really yearning for something like a perk which triggers at full armor only, restores to ammo pool 2x number of enemies destroyed while in heavy stance, or something like that
My suggestion is to take the part that let you do 25% more damage when you are low on ammo instead of the extra 10% spread. It’s great against killing extremis and terminus targets.
I have his same build minus the being knocked over while in heavy stance and taking the increased the dmg while low ammo. Either way seems fine but yea ur right that dmg bump is nice and actually huge.
I've also been leveling my heavy bolter but I haven't taken it above the tier of the weapon so far (played it on substantial with an artificer bolter missing a perk or 2 and it held up fine). IMO it is an extremely late bloomer that sucks dishwater at mastercrafted, decent at artificer and pretty good at relic tiers once perked. Not only is the step in weapondamage from mastercraft => relic abnormally large (4 to 6?) but the perks available in epic tier are some of the strongest weaponperks in the game (2x15% damage in heavy stance, yes please) whereas the perks in mastercrafted are "just" to make it function solidly (making that b-line for "heavy immunity"). These factors together result in perked artificer being about 100% stronger than perked mastercrafted so I'm very glad it wasn't the first weapon I leveled. On the whole I'm not sure you really need the "perpetual penetration" perk though, the HB's have piercing 4 already so I'm planning on picking "discipline" when I get to it.
A few thoughts here. One, the heavy has no bad guns. The plasma post buff is an absolute monster too. It destroys hard targets like nothing else. The bolter is a nice middle ground and the melta is the melta. Two, the melta isn't boring. In fact, it's a ton of fun. It just plays very differently and much more aggressively than the bolter. It's a close range brawler weapon that you will rarely need to use heavy stance with. Get stuck, work that dodge and parry while getting good angles to fire.
As a heavy bolter enjoyer myself, I’d like to point out a few things: 1. Heavy immunity most likely doesn’t work at all. I still get staggered and knocked around by most attacks just like I would without the perk. 2. The maximum spread reduction perk isn’t very good, imo. In this game, non headshot damage is so low that I find more success by tap firing. I deal more consistent damage and preserve more ammo this way. I understand why some people prefer to go full BBBBRRRRRRRRR, tho. If that’s the case, this perk ain’t so bad.
If spread reduction is not good enough, I would choose the cooler variant. It will cool down the heavy bolter more faster and the right perks will cool even faster. It's my build though. I haven't tried accuracy build yet.
Try turn on & off your sheid and keep CD, your damage will go crazy I choose the accuacy heavy bolt for headshot damage, dont worry about the ammo because you still get around 7xx rounds, kill fast and you wont care about the overheat too
Hey TV if you are diving into Warhammer and Warhammer games, give Boltgun a try. It's a fun shooter. Maybe not as good for content, but I'd say it's worth streaming a playthrough of that.
I am excited for the new difficulty. I hope they tune it well and you really need to run a team with strong synergy. I feel like you can really run whatever you want right now so yeah the bolter can hose bullets from range and has good ammo economy. I think it is definitely a few tiers lower than the other 2 weapons, especially when you think about what you would want a heavy on your team to run if you are on another class.
Hey TV, possibly a silly question from me today. I noticed you're not using the Iron Halo in your footage - was it just a case of what you captured didn't have you in a situation where you felt you needed the frontal shield?
I recently maxed all the heavies weapons as well. I found the gun to be a bit spongey. Yea it did the job but the relic version felt the exact same as the master crafted version. When it comes to heavy I think people are sleeping on the Plasma launcher, 14+ base dmg on a non charged shot with a ton of ammo, it's basically a melta with long range and way more ammo. You rarely need to even charge the weapon and each uncharged shot is a baby grenade.
Bro im trying to lvl the bolt after using Las and it's a major slog, what a power difference. Hopefully it feels better at relic but without the dmg/area/piercing compared the Las the gun just seems well, pointless.
Relic heavy plasma chunks through missions. Love it more than the bolter and meltas. Really can't go wrong with any of them for the heavy, just need to adjust your range and ammo usage for each.
HB is the generalist choice. Not at all horrible at anything, but does leave you wanting more for specifics. Melta is amazing against swarms of things (duh), while the Plasma Cannon is amazing against big boys and small packs. Personally, I'm a plasma bro. And the damage and mobility it allows is a godsend in many ways. After that, the bolter is king
Heavy bolter was always awesome, heavy bolter go brrr. I pair it with a plasma pistol that I can charge if need be. I don’t see my job as the one who needs to get the most kills, I’m there to clear out the crowds and soften up hard targets for my teammates. Getting the most kills is not the only way to be a team asset.
Yeah I really dont know whoever was saying the heavy Bolter was bad or worse than the others. Plasma is only great against bosses and Melta is amazing against hordes, but trash against Terminus. But Heavy Bolter? Its good at everything, at all ranges. With much better CC and better range to pick off long distance enemies a lot quicker. 25 all classes and can solo Ruthless and yeah, Heavy Bolter is my go to weapon on Heavy. It's adaptability is great. Glad to hear you mention the Melta not being good against bosses. It genuinely isnt. It's by far the best at add clearing, but thats it. The Headshot damage on a straight stream of Heavy Bolter with your iron halo up with the ranged damage perks I have literally melted a Helbrute in under 15 seconds on Ruthless with the HB.
While Tactical and Heavy CAN use meltas they're both better with guns that better suit their role. Tactical for mid/short support and Heavy mid/long support. Vanguard, assault, and Bulwark all can handle the short range which is why I now only run melta on Vangaurd.
Every weapon is good as long as you know what it's good for ,that also means that even "Meta" weapons suck if you don't know it's use For example the Heavy bolter is godlike against incoming Waves Against bosses and Majors not so much , the Plasma cannon is good against everything yet struggles with Ammo so you need to pick your targets wisely ,the Multimelta is basically the same but struggles with everything beyond "melee" range And all this goes for the light variants too
Only thing I don’t like is that heat build up stops the fun 😢 I liked how the first game allowed you to manually vent whenever you wanted so you could vent between bursts
I will start this by saying that I am on purple rarity and still learning positioning with the Bolter Heavy, but from this little experience I feel that I really need a teammate that can peel for me, it takes me too much time to kill a Nid Warrior(impossible if swords crossed), thus needing too much time to reposition, get into heavy,rev up, and start blasting. But it might be just my little experience making things hard to deal with.
@@novembermike512 I've been breaking warriors in 3 ways. 1.) hit with plasma, heavy stance full auto into head, dead. (My fav way to dispose of lone majors quickly or if I have the opening) 2.) hip fire while backing up or even dodge back step backwards to bait out parries from both major/minor. (Do not roll! Just the back step dodge) 3.) weave in Stomps. It's deceptively fast to pull off and nets free gun strikes to surrounding nids if ya need it. At the start of a mission practice starting it quickly, no need for a full charge. Also keep in mind, because I just learned this and no one points it out. Parry activates from heavy stance ^_^
You can still hit their heads during the cross guard but realistically using a charged plasma pistol shot does the job just as well. Two charged shots then back to bolter and blast.
Dont get me wrong but - was that even ever in question? HB with ACC, the spray is reduced realy big and headshots melted Majoris with ease. Carnifex on Ruthless with a epic or relic HB, a walk trough the park. But - that was allways the case. Didnt know, that players needed this info. The Perktree of the HB is selfmaking. Combined with the Plasmapistol Heavy was and is from the Start of the Game with HB a carry class.
This is a cautionary tale of the Brothers of the Long Watch - The “Redemption of St. Sulech” is an ancient heavy bolter relic that represents a symbol of honour, but also a disregard for orders. A Deathwatch Kill-team posted to the isolated colony of St. Sulech was caught up in the fighting when an Ork raiding force from the Evil Sunz Clan attacked. Delaying their extraction and the completion of their mission, the Space Marines chose to join the defence. Brother Frosius, a Devastator from the Imperial Fists Chapter, was deployed in the highest tower of the Imperial shrine with his favoured heavy bolter, while the others remained below. Thanks to the devastating bursts of accurate fire from the tower, the Speed Freaks were defeated, but not without the loss of the rest of the Kill-team. Upon his return to Erioch, Brother Frosius was severely censured for the decision to stay and fight. FOR THE EMPEROR!!
A little surprised to see you aren't going for consecutive execution. Getting a melta bomb then getting another one every 3 minutes when you can use them against extremis level enemies that you only run into every like 5 minutes can really help your team.
I also love the heavy bolter and wish we got some sort of ammo replenishment murder perk, that would be great. Even if it were like, kill 10 minoris get 60 shots, that would be sweet
This is the one game I have played in a LONG time where all the weapons are balanced in such a way that there really is no bad weapon to choose. Sure, some are better than others, but it's by such a small amount that it would be nitpicking. All weapons are viable. I have not played a game like that in a LONG time.
Heavy can be run with any class combo in the game and work extremely well. Melta, you inherently depend on others to fill niches you are no longer providing. That's all well and good until all three classes run Melta's and you vs a Zoanthrope or the Helldrake and can't do anything but pray for grenade spawns. Like 80% of Melta players mismanage their ammo as well, so they end up using secondary/melee for half the damn run too.
It almost impossible to run out of heavy melta ammo also for the heldrake u have infinite ammo crate in the arena u just use a permanently boosted plasma pistol against it does lots of damage
My heavy bolter literally just stands there blasting at a Neurothrope while tanking hits from it and anything hitting me. While the fight with the tyrant just goes with me standing by the ammo box never stopping my shots even if it decides to attack me.... Heavy bolter rocks.
i noticed that the lmg is better with burst fire, which i find VERY annoying , since ur supposed to be able to full auto it, i noticed this on every difficulty, visually u dont notice how many rounds are not hitting with low accuracy. the moment you burst fire u start killing more often . there seems to be a distance when full auto doesnt suffer from inaacuracy, and its basically melta range. up close u dont have to aim for the head it seems the chest takes mor dmg , but the further away to more headshots and burst fire u need.
accuracy heavy bolter is basically required imo on higher difficulties. or damage bolter if you burst. 75 rounds isn't munch when ammo isn't a super big issue
the accuracy nerf and lack of perks hurts this gun, it should naturaly be a cose to mid range monster with burst or sniping potential , without NEEDing the accuracy perks, the acc should just be for sniping or full auto on a boss head
The problem I have with heavy bolter is that it takes too long to deal little damage and with the amount of bullet it provides, I can't even clear room.
I start to seea trend here. All bolter weapons seem to be suffering from "being mid until reaching Relic tier". Same thing with stalkerbolter from your last video. I think people simply don't want to go through seemless grind just to get decent option if they can pick something that cooks from the beginning (melta). With recent buffs to plasma I think Bolters will inevitably get outperformed until devs bring some buffs to the table.
i mean the plasma is just a better weapon atm for tactical at least. you get the same damage as a bolter when you spam fire, no need to reload, and you get instant cancels on majors calling for support on a charged shot.
@Guo1234bob yea I plan to start using plasma on Tactical, but I gotta level him up first. I already have relic melta since I maxed out Vanguard first so I will use melta until I reach lvl 20 in tactical, then switch to plasma. Melta gets boring really fast, might as well consider picking something else for Vanguard(even though the other primaries for him suck)
The penetrate actually makes it act like a true bolter would making it a little explosive hitting those close around it, not just behind it. It’s way more powerful to stagger minoris that way. Check it out next time you fire at some minoris nids!
This is less about the heavy bolt or, and more about Bolton weapons in general. They need to redo the perk trees on these weapons, because they honestly are too underwhelming. I’ve been leveling up both the stalker rifle and carbine on my vanguard, and it’s simply ridiculous that I can empty an entire clip into ONE majoris, and it doesn’t get them to finisher. The damage is done. But the perk pools need some ‘specialization’ to allow better damage windows. For instance, the carbine needs a perk that says ,parrying a majoris or higher level enemy increases weapon damage by 25% for 3 seconds’. Something that simple would GREATLY increase its intended close range usage, as you now know the weapon is a parry/shoot/parry roll. Most bolt weapons need that kind of love
@@RebelOfTheNorm242 I *wish* the vanguard got the stalker. Alas, they get the instigator, which very much feels like a slightly worse Stalker. It's meh, but at least feels in the ranged niche. Occulus carbine is quite fun, but feels like it's trying to fill the same niche as the melta (cqb trash clear) and just does it way worse.
@@Jester456 instigator is fine imo, really helps with bosses and vanguard is survivable enough by himself in a horde. The only thing i miss about the melta is the instant stun on majors calling for reinforcements.
they fixed it where you can properly perfect parry in heavy stance now... just not while shooting. Heavy bolter had been my go-to for awhile since the only situation it's not great in is CQC and the standard melee is basically an auto gun-strike on minoris so I literally just do that until they all die or my teammate rescue me or I switch to my pistol and perfect-parry/dodge majoris enemies til the same thing happens. I found that when you are using the correct level gun on the correct level you stagger a lot more... so this gameplay is not *the best* at showing how good it is.
The problem with bolter is if you find yourself in difficult situation, surrounded by few elites and trash mobs and get hit for a lot of your hp - you have NO WAY of healing yourself with bolter under pressure
The biggest thing I have seen the last few days has been seeing people play classes how they aren’t meant to be played. I had a sniper player the other day knifing the entire time. Also you are a turret. Pivot
