You're Wrong About Etie Vs Alcryst 

I will gladly disrespect walking Thoron all day.

Now take this corn, and hurl it skywards!

Lindon is a pretty mighty warrior. So mighty, in fact, that he has 2.2 more strength than Alcryst does.

@@OriginalRaisins Fucked up, but also hilarious.

I had a free deployment slot in my most recent Maddening run so I decided to try Lindon. He's actually pretty okay. He can Olwen poke things and give some staff utility.

In FE3H, all the months are called moons yet Luna isn't an ability. This means we're 100% getting Fire Emblem 3 Houses 2: 6 Houses. 6 new routes and 6 new maps from the base game and we might even have a fully completed route, if we're lucky.

In FE7, Luna is a tome that you can use to kill the final boss in one round.

If you use FE Builder, Pierce is named Luna there, and its on Wyvern Knights.

They need some way to sell that SoV DLC from the defunct 3DS eShop after all

2 fire emblem AIs pretending to be human:

"Scientists have recently discovered that ABS help a unit perform better in Fire Emblem Engage. We go now to Mekkah in the field to tell us more."

Fogado + Veronica + Radiant Bow slaps, especially since Veronica gives him more Magic. I wanna put him into Warrior so he can get the Veronica-Backup bonus, and he'll Wait more and build up the Book bonuses if he has low Movement so he'll be a nuclear warhead when he does attack next.

I think scepti mentioned it because of the coincidental numbers and not much past that

They're talking about the average benefit you get out of Luna throughout the game, meaning, from the time you learn Luna at 10/5 for Alcryst, as obviously from 1-4 on his personal class, you don't have Luna yet, it doesn't matter for enemies earlier than before you get Luna. If you think the comparison is using endgame stats, then just look at Alcryst's str at level 10/5, and Etie's at level 10/1, where because of going Warrior, she already has 19 Str vs Alcryst's 13 Str at level 10/5. That's already a difference of 6 str, and if you can get Etie doubling at that point (give her Lyn), that's 12 damage. Also yes, Etie cannot use the Brave Bow, however I'm noticing that in end-game Maddening with my 10/20+ Alcryst, he is still looking at 0's against those endgame enemies with the Brave Bow, because obviously it's weak. The Brave Bow has a Mt of 4, while the Silver Bow has a Mt of 13. Taking Alcryst's str of 19 at 10/20 with a Brave Bow, that's 23 Atk, versus Etie's 31 str with a Silver Bow, that's 44. Now consider what Luna does, it *ignores* half of Def or Res. If an enemy has 40 Defense and my 10/20 Alcryst comes up to it with a Brave Bow, with a Phys Atk of 23, and Luna procs. It's dealing 3 damage. If an enemy has 40 Defense and my 10/20 Etie comes up to it with a Silver Bow, with a Phys Atk of 44, no Luna to speak of. It's dealing 4 damage. Ignoring half the Def is great, but Alcryst, unless he procs both a Luna and a Crit, really has pathetic damage, because his Phys Atk is so weak to start with. Additionally, let's say that the same unit has 20 Res. Well, Alcryst has 4 Magic, and a Radiant Bow of 19 Mt, hey look, it's 23 Mag Atk, and he'd actually be better off attacking with the Radiant Bow and ignoring 10 Res, coming out with a damage of 13, than using the Brave Bow. In my current run, in Gradlon now, I've given Alcryst 2 Energy Drops earlier in this run, making his str now 25 at level 10/20/5, and I *still* feel like he's the worst unit on my team. Etie's would be 33 without Energy Drops at this same point, and I really gave Alcryst favoritism earlier on, he got my first Master Seal, and he is still my highest level unit. He's still just pathetic, but I'm in too deep with him now, and I have to rely upon him hitting Luna *and* Crit

Since when are chapter 20 paladins/halberdiers considered midgame 🤔

I felt that the argument was more that Etie and Alcryst are a lot closer than people think vs one clearly being better than the other.

Not to mention on maddening exp is so scarce and after ch 3 etie needs help to oneshot fliers. Unless youre babying the everloving crap out of her, shell be behind alcryst. Its baffling.

A chapter 10 pegasi has 32 hp and 10 def. +1 steel bow has 36 effective might so you only need 6 str to ohko them. A base level etie has 10 str so she doesnt need any babying to do her job in the early game.

I never see the argument for the exp problem(especially early maddening), you have Celica recover and Micahiah Great sacrifice and her multiple Healing to get a lot of exp without the need to give them kills, so you can change the user between chapters and get almost all the the early units to lv10, and because you only had 3 master seals before chapter 10 you can give the kills to those 3 units and then promote the others after chapter 11 if you want to use more of the early units.

@@del_ty9005 Because dedicating those resources to Etie specifically is still an opportunity cost. You're giving up resources to Etie over other units. Celica especially is an opportunity cost since it means you're giving up any and all offensive potential with the emblem just to prevent Etie from falling behind. And you can't even give her Micaiah until after Chapter 6. Meaning that the chances of her being on par with Alcryst are even lower. At best she has Jean and Anna's paralogues to Micaiah grind for exp before you get Alcryst. If you want Etie to be leveled up you're dedicating her a bunch of kills and emblems that anyone can use to be good. And Etie doesn't even bring much to the table when trained.

@@nachohangover5104 with celica okey, she is better with units like Celine Chloe Clanne or even Framme but with micahia Etie can get to lv9 with ease in one of the paralogues or even in ch7 and thats all she needs because at the end of the day neither Alcryst or Etie are getting a early master seal, both can kill fliers with a steel bow or a leif engrave long bow at that level, and because the way that the internal level works they dont want to level up past lv 10 in their basic class.

Mekkah isn't top-tier at FE?

Mekkah is not an LTC'er like the ones they named above.

@@auraguard0212 Mekkah is smart enough to be and could be if he really wanted to but he is not ltc or speed runner typically. Again, he can do those things. He just typically prefers to play fun and fast

@@conradkorbolhe could, but he just really doesn’t like math very much, and that’s practically all ltc stuff is

I love how you claim that Etie has major flaws that need fixing and then immediately follow it up by basically admitting that Alcryst also has major flaws that need fixing. Your bias is beyond pathetic. Keep coping.

@@verde5738chill tf out. It’s just a fun single player video game

Id like to pose that, they not only drag on Luna way too much, but within minutes of saying "Alcryst is better off with Luna and not as a warrior" then drag him for doing less damage than a class with bumps in strength. There's absolutely more analysis to do with these two beyond "Etie has 10% higher STR growth and worse growths overall". Alcryst can grow Mag for the Radiant bow, if they both go Warrior he will likely beat her out in actual DPR because he's default bulkier and can be closer to the front for enemy phase, and his passive gives a whole 3 extra strength for any turn after he's within 3 squares of an ally that was attacked.

Alcryst's earlygame is good since fliers are still weak, but if you have used Etie, she can hit the benchmarks just the same, Etie will also reach Alcryst's base str with just 2 levels, it is not terribly difficult to do this, and then she is still 4 levels away from Alcryst's base, and eventually levels will plateau and become more close, meaning Etie's much larger strength will start to bare its fangs, especially since she needs just 200 EXP to get on Alcryst's level. Etie will then reach Alcryst's base class Lv20 Str at Lv13, though I do admit it is pretty difficult to get her there without a bit of favoritism (but then, so is getting Alcryst to Lv cap). During this early game part, if you have used Etie more than a little bit, she will be doing more damage than Alcryst (except Ch7 where Alcryst gets a Steel Bow in his inventory which you haven't had before, unless you use the Update Bonus one). Entering midgame, if both Alcryst and Etie are IL16 (and promoted at 10), then she can kill the 47HP 20 Def wyverns in Ch13/14 with a Silver Bow +1, while Alcryst cannot (he is 7 points of damage behind), and it is unlikely he even has Luna by now. During Ch16, everyone can kill the 42HP, 17 Def Griffins easily, so the comparison shifts to non-fliers, of which Etie consistently deals more damage to without Luna, he can only kill the Heroes here if he procs Luna twice. Etie can't kill them while doubling either, to be fair, but she does 40 damage to their 42 HP, while Alcryst needs a 7% proc rate to do 42 damage, so Etie deals more 93% of the time. This continues for the whole game, even if Etie is a few levels lower (which, realistically, after a while she wouldn't be due to how EXP formula works), she will do more damage most of the time, and the Killer Bow is an extremely weak option, it has awful base Mt and Alcryst's own strength isn't... amazing, and his speed isn't either, so he's likely not doubling with investment, just like Etie, so you may as well use the unit who will consistently do more damage. www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/1244ole/my_consistency_obsession_is_showing_an_alcryst/ This reddit post had a lot of the calcs I used and goes into a lot more detail, Alcryst is just consistently inconsistent about doing more damage than Etie, and the level difference will eventually plateau out as the game's EXP formula will eventually standardize everyone's level assuming they see enough combat.

I've done the math, luna eventually will out pace etie's strength advantage. Despite enemy defense capping at the end of the game, it is increasing at a much faster rate than etie's strength lead over Alcryst. Assuming 1.5 lvs per chapter and promotion at ch 9 and Alcryst has immediate access to luna and warrior Etie: in ch 9 etie's str advantage is 7.75 to luna's approx 6, ch 13 etie's str advantage 8.95 to luna approx 7, ch 17 etie's str +10.15 luna approx 11, ch 21 etie's str +11.35 luna approx 14, ch 25 etie's str +12.55 luna approx 16. The comparison made in the video is fair. 3-5 level advantage with favoritism? You do realize that a 5 level difference is giving etie 1 level in 4 chapters and 2 paralogs which is at best 25exp per chapter. A 3 level advantage is 3 levels in 4 chapters and 2 paralogues which is at best 75exp per chapter. On my maddening playthrough where i used her as a temp, she got to lv 9 before i benched her and she was the 4th unit i perma benched.

​@@Skilletking2010 Alcryst with the radiant bow? He has an absolute base of 1 mag with a 10% growth. If etie goes bow knight, with her 0% growth, she will have the same magic till they reach internal lv 20.

@@gameboyn64 yeah true but you can't forget luna is a dex% proc while str advantage is extra dmg 100% of the time, also luna gets better the more dex alcryst has since he gets more dex the latter the game gets

You've opened my third eye with this revelation...

​@@duetopersonalreasonsaaaaaa ur a fell dragon now

That's an interesting strategy ngl I'm used to give Etie raw Speed boost since I make her a warrior, with maybe either Precision bonus or something to make her a dead eye fighter

I gave Etie canter and made her a warrior, before Sigurd was taken and she just carried my team, Merrin and Yunaka also carried

Interesting. That sounds awesome

Agree with all of the above. If you're trying to play as good as you can early game, you want to prioritize just a few units to get them ready for promotion as soon as you get master seals, and your best choices for those early promotions are probably Chloe and Alear. There's some wiggle room, so if you want to use Etie long term, you can feed her some too. There's nothing wrong with that, but that experience could be going to Celine, Louis, Yunaka for an easy chapter 11, or even Alfred who I found in a second playthrough to be quite good if you legitimately try to make him work. With Etie, she has a viable replacement soon available on the horizon. It's same reason why you wouldn't normally use Clanne - you get Celine just a few chapters later.

Warrior alcryst so good that he is out classed by warrior lapis

Yeah like with investment Erie might end up a bit better, but both of their ultimate purposes are to be earlygame filler and then get benched once the flood of super good units in Solm happens

been hearing etie was bad but she's been hard carrying my whole squad with her being the hardest hitter on my team and with a decent crit rate because her being a sniper with a brave bow, I also gave her hold out so on enemy phase she can take out other ranged units if she missed one, playing on maddening btw on chapter 24

Well if warrior etie uses a base hammer, she is getting 18 extra damage which is the equivalent to activating luna on a 36 defense armor.

There are people who don’t have good str and can use a second seal instead of master sealing. There is also citrinne who can kill bosses with her radiant bow astra storm funnily enough : p

People don’t go warrior because they already have strength they go in a class that gets them to 50% growth in their offensive stat and your strength determines the options for that. Alcryst is the one who considers going warrior to patch up his poor strength while etie has the option to run classes that support other aspects more ( like sniper patching up their low dex so they more consistently hit). Also mages benifit most from lyn because mages tend to benefit more from speed fixing then power fixing because of the relatively lower average res of enemies and the lower base speed of classes like sage. Warrior’s one of the classes all the 30 percent strength growth people go into to supplement their strength. Though you can certainly argue for using warrior etie for backup nonsense it isn’t mandatory for her as opposed to someone with 30 strength growth wanting to use bows aka alcryst who should be reclassed to warrior as soon as possible to start patching up his strength and maybe if you really want Luna reclass back after his strength has been patched up by the class but at that point may as well stay in the class since the investment of another second seal for luna which you can’t rely on proccing really ain’t worth it especially when it’d make his stats worse.

Addendum: The overall opinion for me is that they're both kinda poor in gameplay and using either of them long term is kind of a gimp in an optimal playthrough

You realistically don't need to shield etie from every enemy. She is unlikely to be one rounded by any enemy except bosses through ch 6 at base. If you give her a +2def bond ring, she can survive at least one round of combat against every non boss enemy at base through ch 7. Granted Alcryst can tank two hits before going down in ch 7, but at that point what are you doing exposing an archer to that much enemy phase.

@@gameboyn64 +2def Bond ring? Thats an s rank ring which is unlikely to get and is used way better on a frontline unit.

@@Silberlangbogen well you do get Sharena for free. You can also use cooking to boost defense if need be. The point im making is that even without giving etie a single level up, she generally survives at least one round of combat for quite a while. She still doesn't get one rounded by most enemies for quite a while even without any boosts or levels.

@@gameboyn64 to me thats also the beauty of the game that it gives you enough options to make any character good. If i wanted to make etie survive enemy phase i could but that would take preparations.

@@Silberlangbogen yeah this game is great. It's fun knowing that no matter how dire a situation seems there is almost always a big brain play available that can get you out of the situation.

Mom can wr have warrior-lyn panette??? We have warrior-lyn panette at home Warrior-lyn panette at home:...

I think lyn is her 6th best non dlc ring lol

@@korskors6088what’s better then? Cause she desperately needs the speed

That's what I did. Gave her a Killer Axe and a Killer bow. She's crits left and right.

@@TheOmegaDragonsame actually! I gave her both crit engraves, until late game when I needed to give up the accurate one (I believe it’s Erika’s?) to Goldmary, who had the +3 silver greatlance

I used panette as a warrior + Ike on my first run and was quite impressed, but for every maddening run since I've used halberdier panette + eirika for a durable melee unit with a brave lance delete button on player phase, and potential for vantage/wrath spear throwing on enemy phase. I've more recently felt that putting her on warrior gimps her overall potential a bit, but warrior is such a good class anyway it doesnt matter lol

Everyone is viable yes!

@@sohn7767 playing with other's characters in MP shows that even ones I never invest in like Clanne can become beasts!

It would seem that you would need more to fix her than to fix Alcryst

@@goroadachi9489 Not really since at least she can be fixed.

@@hanzou1238 How can Alcryst not be fixed? His strength isn’t even that far behind Etie and it has a chance to be outright greater than her

@@goroadachi9489 19 strength on Alcryst to 30 on Etie, that is a pretty big difference to me while Alcryst will typically only have around a 30%-35% chance to activate Luna. If they both are doubling then he needs 2 Luna procs to out damage her which is around a 12% chance. They both require Lyn/Speedtaker to double and they both want engravings and with them both having the same investment he has a 12% chance to slightly out do her.

@@hanzou1238 Thing is, if you consider Etie starts off playing catch-up to Alcryst as she is behind. Not even factoring in Alcryst’s personal skill. Then Etie is behind in every single other stat that you have to fix. Not to mention that she can’t afford to get hit at all for most of the game until you fix her abysmal speed. And even if you fix her speed you need to fix her build. Alcryst has a lot less to fix

Any warrior can use the longbow. That's not unique to her.

@@nachohangover5104 That’s true, ​ I mean just something she excels at. And I was exclusively thinking about about choosing between having a Warrior!Ettie or a Tireur!Alcryst.

@@nachohangover5104 true but she also gets bow prof so she can use silver bow in warrior as well

I put it on a Killer Axe and gave it to Panette. The might penalty was no issue at all XD.

​@@NoRealThanYouAre losing a little MT means nothing when you have 10 million atk and constantly crit

@@xacmashe3852 Yes… that’s exactly what I said.

Both his personal and his class skill simply help fix his horrible strength, it'd be better to just have higher strength. Dude sucks long-term.

This

Nah its a throw back to old Mekkah video quality its great

Also Etie doesn't need Lyn, you can just have an Etie who doesn't double and hits hard once hitting extremely hard with Merciless (a much better skill than Luna) set-up, at the same IL Alycryst had 2 more speed in his class than Warrior Etie with both level 3 promo at 11, Altcryst is fucking slow.

@@FUTBALLZAK i disagree that Merciless is better. Firstly, it requires another unit to break the target. Meaning you’re attacking the target with 2 characters to get the kill. And chances are, if they’re broken they’re already pretty low so the extra damage is either redundant or your units are massively weak. Secondly, Luna may not proc as assuredly as Merciless, but it does have the advantage of the fact that it’s only requirement is odds instead of set up. As for your speed point, a point lead is still relevant. 1 point is the difference between getting doubled and not or not doubling and doubling. I would not dare call him slow considering his growth in speed is 60%, which is generally considered a solid growth rate.

@@VangolaGear Fracture is a thing as are bosses as are bulky hard to kill units that Merciless can make a massive difference on, Merciless+Marth+Fracture allowed me to kill Wyrms with Etie with 100% reliability that would've been problems otherwise, dude had 13 speed at level 3 Tierur D'Elite level 11 befofe promo, two points of speed above Etie, yipee, sorry but that is a pretty insignificant difference and neither should be eating attacks anyway, 60% growth or not with how fucking fast enemies get on Maddening he is slow and needs speed-fixing to be useable but he isn't worth that kind of investment because he has bad strength with his skills merely making up for that bad strength, bad speed, and is bow-locked. He's a bad unit.

@@FUTBALLZAK fracture I will give you, but if you’re playing on Maddening, bosses are immune to Break through yf . Meaning the boss bulk point is still redundant. In regards to your mention of Wyrms, my Alcryst in my maddening run is able to kill them with just as much ease, granted I have him Alacrity, and it does not require I use an Engage, yours does AND requires the use of a Fracture staff. Could you please tell me what their strength difference was as well? Oh. And are we also forgetting that Alcryst’s personal speed growth is 10% higher than Etie’s? Because that would allow him to increase that gap over time. Sure, it won’t be much, but it will be enough that he will doubling her over the course. I have not used a speeding or done anything to my Alcryst to enhance his speed outside of give him starsphere, but I have EVERY character I used starsphere, so there was no favoritism and every 10 levels only provides 1.5 points, not much of a bonus. But he is consistently my hard carry in that profile, able to one round almost anything, including bosses, by himself without Engaging or utilizing Fracture. Your Etie combo still requires burning an Engage, utilizing a Fracture staff, and then killing your target.

@@FUTBALLZAK oh wait. Hah! Just checked the profile and he doesn’t even have Starsphere in this one. He has Lineage and Mentoship

The averages used still gave Etie more lvls than Alcryst and don't take account on his personal skill that is totally free.

Kind of strange that this "pick one over the other" mentality is coming right after "make everyone a Wyvern Lord" in 3 Houses, which has its own problems too.

They might have misspoke on the arc, but 10/20 is about the recommended level for ch20 and paladins on that map have 27ish defense which is 13 for alcryst (they even have a chapter 20 map displayed)

@@sohn7767 gotcha thanks!

@@sohn7767 And with those stats in chapter 20, the speed difference is actually important. Etie has 20 speed without lyn, which is just enough to get doubled by enemies paladins and is doubled by enemies Halberdier and Warriors if she has a weight penalty (like steel axe+2). People can argue about engraves, but other units compete with those engraves while alcryst is more flexible

@@Pmu_Sh0wd0wn sure she gets doubled if you ignore every other source of speed that isn’t lyn. If you really want to, you can make Etie 10/1 warrior Etie with a normal silver bow double chapter 21 snipers without any emblems but just with resources everybody has access to

Agreed. I didn't think they were pushing that Etie was better, but that it's much closer than people realize.

I do think Etie is better, but yes, they are both suboptimal (but still sufficient)

@@Mekkkah I like Etie as a character and I find Alcryst annoying sooooo its an easy choice. Though I never thought about making her a warrior and omg am I glad I did. So much better than sniper

When Alcryst joins, a same level etie will have 2.3 more str. Starting from chapter 9 at lv 13 however when reclassing becomes available, the difference becomes 3.75 which is the difference in absolute bases. If Alcryst chooses to continue as Tireur d’élite while etie pursues warrior, the difference in growth will be 20% with 7.75 difference in str. At ch7 assuming equal level at lv 10, Alcryst has 5.1 more hit than etie which honestly isn't a lot. 14 dex vs 17 dex, 9.8 luk vs 8 luk

@@gameboyn64 > same level Etie And there's the issue right there. She's not gonna be the same level. Like I said, all previous maps are bad maps for archers and maddening xp gain is really slow. She's also not gonna be spamming Mercurius, someone else would rather use Marth than her. She's gonna be 3-4 levels behind and have 10-15 less hit and the same str. Even assuming she does catch up, what difference does it make? She's not gonna one shot the chapter 7 fliers any more than Alcryst will do and she's not gonna one round non-flier enemies. She'll do some chip damage from the back lines and that's it. And at that point you have limited deployment slots, so there's a good chance you have to choose between the two and there's a good chance you'll choose between a level 7 Etie and a level 10 Alcryst who has the same str but has better stats literally everywhere else.

Lot of undermining Alcryst speed and dex advantage. Somehow you can "always get more speed for Etie with skills", ok so give Alcryst more strength with skills as well. Lots of framing going on here.

@@amanasd26 Speed is way easier (and cheaper) to get than strength. Dex is not a very good stat, especially when both characters still need engraves and both characters are brought to 100% hit with engraves.

They didn’t even mention get behind me, one of the few good personal skills in the game. Also, there’s an awful lot of endgame averages talk when these guys are primarily midgame units

It’s also nice to use both for tiki’s map if you are doing dlc content

Doesn’t help that alcryst natural SP also sucks

I don't think "every unit is good" is a good description, more like "every unit is usable".

@@hanzou1238 I don’t completely agree. Even in the older games, basically every unit was usable, even someone like Rolf can perform if you funnel him all your bexp or someone like FE6 Sophia if you save/buy her a ton of stat boosters. In any post awakening game, if you give that level of love to unit they will turn out as your best unit. In an old game even a 20/20 Rolf, while serviceable, will not be performing as well as Titania.

@@murphthasmurf5923 I feel like Rolf isn't the most fair example because no matter how much you feed him he will always be Bow locked and by nature be worse than Titania. In POR I like feeding Mia and she typically becomes my best unit in that game and easily passes Titania. In RD I have used both Astrid and Makalov and fed enough they both also can easily destroy things in the endgame even on Hard. My first FE was Shadow Dragon and my first playthrough I for some reason decided to give everything to Julian and even though he was a thief he could still solo the game, now I doubt he could do it on H5 but that is more difficult than most other hardest difficulties. The thing with older games is that units like Pent and Nino who are on opposite sides of a tier list still have the same maximum potential so feeding everything to Nino caps her at the same place feeding everything to Pent does. Pent is better because you don't have to invest into him however for basically any game making a tier list based off heavy investment would have everyone in the same place.

I also imagine that Luna is pretty neat for ringless

Well as they pointed out, you really only get high value out of luna itself against high defense enemies and chances are, you're probably not using Alcryst to attack a general anyways. Granted, Etie isnt the brightest choice for that either, but at least on Warrior she has consistent Merciless and Hammer access and Sniper provides some oneshot potential through crit. I don't tend to rely on RNG to carry my dumb ass either, but then again, unpredictability is its own source of fun and stress.

Idk if I would call 3 more spd than warrior etie at lv 39 much faster

@@korskors6088 When you're trying to stack Spd to double in Maddening, every point counts. Plus Etie takes investment to get up there. She's best used to OHKO fliers and chip things for good units in the earlygame, which means she's not getting a ton of experience. So, in practice, Alcryst will have a level lead over Etie unless you really favour her. That's not mentioning the Second Seal she has to eat to make the comparison Warrior vs. Tireur instead of Sniper/Bow Knight vs. Tireur, or that, even assuming equal levels, the Spd gap starts out at 3.15, so he still has the advantage early where it matters a lot more.

I mean Etie could also run wrath sets like pannette. Her str is 1 lower than pannette 2 by lv 40. She has the str to 1 shot everything but great knights and generals as a warrior with a crit without investment. It is easy to get into range of wrath from my 6 maddening runs experience. I have used both units before.

Also lv 40 etie with ike ring has 54 atk with killer bow ike ring and eirika engrave. Alcryst has 34 with killer bow corrin engrave lyn ring

@@korskors6088 There, now that's an actual argument. I still value someone who needs early experience less than a midgame promoted unit, but it's something for Etie. Still doesn't answer the part where both archers are pretty meh and Alcryst costs good units less in the earlygame where experience is tightest, but it's something I hadn't considered. Also, I don't really see the point of those Atk calculations. My Alcryst has 37 Atk at endgame, and that's enough to kill things a large amount of the time thanks to the multiple ways he has to increase damage. He doubles all but the fastest things before Speedtaker gets going, and has done throughout the game, so his chance to get one Luna or one crit is pretty significant. If you don't mind me asking, what ring do you recommend for Kagetsu? Because I ran Ike on him to make the most of his ridiculous bulk, and it feels like a big opportunity cost to switch it over to a bad unit just to make the argument that she's better than another bad unit.

I don't think there's integrity of comparing equal classes when evaluating characters should encompass everything about them, including their best class. Part of Alcryst's character is having access to the unique lord class and thats his best class so it makes sense to compare with Etie's best class which is presumably Warrior.

@@Jaxter0987 Respectfully, if we're trying to do the best class for each, I think Alcryst wants to be in Warrior just as much as Etie. Tireur's only advantage over anything would be Luna, but as discussed in this video, Luna typically brings Alcryst's Damage up to Warrior Etie's but on an RNG trigger. At that point, why bother with a class that only really boosts one's Dex, when you could put him in a class that *immediately* boosts his Strength, grants him Backup Status, and also brings higher Strength and Speed growths for the long haul? I think this is an instance of where a character's intended/unique path isn't as good as other builds, like how Byleth in 3H has a unique class, but was often better in some sort of dedicated build or a good generalist class like a Wyvern Lord.

Or you can just give a higher strength unit the brave bow...

The problem with this is that enemies have pretty high avoidance in maddening and the brave weapons are not very good on people who don't have skills that synergize with it. They don't have good might, accuracy, and are heavy to boot. A stronger unit would probably get less use out of it than a steel or silver bow.

@Timorus the brave bow acruallt has the average bow accuracy in engage at 75 hit!! Putting it at the same hit rates as killer bow and radiant bow while being more accurate than the longbow The silver bow only has 85 total hit by comparison by default, with both of them getting +10 hit through upgrades The brave bow also has ONLY 11 weight!!! That sounds like a lot, but the other relevant bows in the game are a lot heavier than you think!! The radiant bow sits at 12 Killer bow at 7 (it's the lightest of the good ones btw!!!) Longbow at 10 And silver at 10 as well!!! So it's actually NOT Inacurate NOR is it even that heavy by comparison But we do have that pesky might problem. Hmm, I wonder what the brave bow does to fix that Oh yea!!! I simply can just use a units strength Stat 4 times I instead of just 2! That sounds really good and syngersric with my really high strength unit!

@@magiv7573 Oh wow!!! You really showed me😳😳😳 I'm sorry my small brain can't figure out how a Maxed out bravebow is more consistent than a maxed out Silver bow on a strength unit. Can you help me with this?🤔 I'm not as good at math as you seem to be so I'll lay out my problem. A maxed out Bravebow has 9 mt while a similar silver bow would have 19mt. To me 9×4=36 and 19×2=38, so how does a strength unit do more damage on the brave bow? How does shooting 4 times with 10 less hit more reliable on your strength unit? Also oopsie🤭🤭🤭 You're soo right about the weight!!! I just didn't think about all the 11 build units this game has lying around and the extremely forgiving 5spd doubling threshold this game has. The few units in this game that get slowed down by 11wt should have no problems with the brave bow!! Please tell me how it's "acruallt" better on your strength unit!!🥺 I'd really love to know. ♥️

@Timorus @Timorus those were actually completely unupgraded stats I was comparing You also completely ignored that the weight of the brave bow is supposed to be taken relative, the lightest of good bows are only 4 points lighter and silver is quite literally a single point lighter Also 11 weight actually isn't even that's bad!! A character like etié for instance has a fairly low personal build of 4. Say we turn her into a sniper or bow knight, her 2 promo options that can use brave bow and neither being classes with particularly high build, she will have 9 minimum bld, meaning she's losing only 2 points of speed with the brave bow by default, which isn't enough yo make or break things, especially as build itself doesn't really matter much ad raw speed is easier to stack and always just better! So no, it's not substantially heavier And 10 hit isn't innacurate to the point of being a problem like you said it may be, ntm if accuracy is REALLY Problem then there's easy, cheap skill Inherits to fix that You quite literally spelled out how brave bows can better utilize a units strength on your own so theyres not much else to say, but it's also worth mentioning that you effectively get double returns on all MT engravements. It should be fairly laid out by now that anyone can use brave weapons well, acting like their stats makes them character specific is literally just false and pretending big bungus strength isn't the best way to use them is just silly. There IS a problem with them though, specifically the bow A VERY big problem that you have failed to mention so far

So I decided to give this another listen, as I felt the comparisons were very one sided. Statements like "What is Alcryst's best build, would he be better in Warrior" is met with "His STR will be almost the same, but he's better off with his personal promotion and Luna" only to then tear down that promotion over and over again. "He does on average 11 less damage, so he needs a random proc to copy Etie's damage", wouldn't this mean he'd be better in Warrior then? How is he doing so much less in damage compared to Etie in Warrior when his passive gives +3 to STR AND you can fairly consistently force it to activate. You also made very clear that where Luna would excel (armor knights, paladins) you could just give them a hammer. So why is the assumption that Luna is better anyway? Later on when talking about stat items you say it's better to give them to Etie, but Alcryst is already ahead of the curve, giving them to him just keeps him beyond Etie's reach, and with no stat items she only on average beats his str out and loses out in every other regard. You also brought up "Etie's durability doesn't matter because if she's in range of an enemy, you've already made a mistake," but also make assumptions that she will be able to use the hammer on armored enemies. Which begs the question, what if she misses? TLDR: This video is biased towards Etie, and doesn't actually do much analysis of Alcryst outside of "Luna is bad therefore Alcryst worse"

Well by ch 9 assuming 1.5 lvs per chapter, etie will have a 3.75 str lead. By ch 14 the lead is 4.5. Ch 19 the lead is 5.25. Ch 24 the lead is 6. Get behind me barely covers the difference when reclassing becomes available. After that, it doesn't and can be a problem if you don't get it to activate

They probably should have talked about get behind me but i think like most activation skills is that you still have to depend on it activating which doesn't always happen making it inconsistent. The str gap when both have the ability to reclass to warrior is about 3.75 or so and by end game is over 6 which is quite a bit.

​@@gameboyn64 its more consistent for Alcryst since him standing behind a unit getting attacked happens very often if you do it correctly so to an extent its pretty much free strength and it means Alcryst outdamages Etie when he joins when she is already in a weak class. The main problem is that it doesn't really work on enemy phase but both units don't do so well on enemy phase anyway and its best you get things done on player phase in this game.

Speaking of Speed, Alcryst joins with DOUBLE the base speed of Etie , but actually its EVEN WORSE. You see, Etie has a sad Bld stat of 4 compared to Alcryst's 6 , so base Etie's speed with a Steel Bow is actually an entire 8 points behind Alcryst. This is in the territory of completely unsalvageable , Etie literally cannot double 0 AS enemies at base with a Steel Bow, and you can bet she's going to get doubled if she ever exposes herself. She even gets weighed down by an Iron Bow! With a full +10 stack of Speedtaker , she can squeak past Alcryst's base speed by 2 , who is a unit that has trouble doubling faster enemies in midgame. Now I want to talk about Luna. It is skill that ignores half of the target's applicable defensive stat and triggers at Dex% . The first thing to mention here is that Alcryst has base 17 Dex and a 70% Dex growth in Tireur, in addition to whatever the promotion bonuses are. We can safely assume he is hitting nearly 25 Dex by the time this skill becomes relevant , which is level 5 promoted. In the midgame , Luna adds around 6-8 damage if it activates , while the maximum strength difference between Etie and Alcryst is maybe +5 in Etie's favour , a very kind assumption considering Get Behind Me. Against flyers, strength calculations are useless, a +3 Silver Bow forge with Strength tonics should allow both of them to KO , making Alcryst better due to higher accuracy. Against fast enemies Alcryst can't double , Etie gets +5 damage relatively 75% of the time and -2 damage relatively 25% of the time. Against enemies Alcryst can double but Etie cannot, Alcryst just straight up deals more damage as long as he deals more than 5 damage (6*2 > 11) , not to mention Alcryst has a 43.75% chance to proc Luna atleast once , plus the extra critical chance provided by his higher skill and there being two opportunities. Let us say 43.75+ extra crit bonus = 50 . Assuming Alcryst dealing atleast 5 damage to be a generously low 50% chance , this means that Alcryst deals more damage in 50 + 0.5*50 = 75% of the time at MINIMUM in this category. As for cases where Etie doubles an enemy , good luck finding those cases against anything but armors, in which case Alcryst deals 10 less damage with no Luna , 3 less with a Luna and 4 more with a double Luna , without mentioning extra crits in Alcryst's favour. Looking at the category-wise % distribution of enemies on each map , it should be clear to anyone with a brain and a little knowledge of probability and mathematics that Alcryst is dealing more damage than Etie on average. But let me dumb it down. Let us consider each of our three categories to be equally probable : None double (Etie wins) , Alcryst doubles (Alcryst wins), both double (Etie wisn) each at 33% odds. Throwing away all other calculations , one would think Etie wins 66% of the time while Alcryst does 33% of the time. A reminder that this is an ABSURD best case scenario where I assume Etie not only has an effective strength lead but can also double 1/3rd of the enemies on a map while Alcryst can't , and Luna never activates ever. Even in this hypothetical absolute best case scenario with no regard for finer points , Alcryst is STILL better than Etie a third of the time. Etie is so pathetic that she can't win convincingly enough even with ALL the odds stacked in her favour. Now, lets check the same calculations at 10/20. As you yourself pointed out in the video , a Luna proc is expected to add more damage to Alcryst's attacks (12) than Etie's strength lead (11). At this point, the speed difference between them is 2.5 - 3.5 considering the new build stats. Let us consider they have a speed difference of 3. This is a pretty significant speed lead , but both of them will not double anything without Speedtaker. If that is the case , then the calculation is very simple. Alcryst deals more damage with Luna or a crit in case Etie doesn't crit. This happens Dex% + (Dex1-Dex2)/2 % of the time , which is 32+14/2= 39% of the time. Let us round that out to 40 for simplicity's sake. So, even in your best case scenario , Alcryst is better 40% of the time. Sweet , Etie wins, right? Nope.

We haven't considered enemy stats and Speedtaker yet. Since this calculation is for the absolute lategame, I'm considering Ch 25 stats on Maddening .First of all , Etie's absolutely pathetic speed of 20 means that she cannot even double capped speed (17) Generals in Engage's lategame while Alcyst can with 23 speed. This alone means that the aforementioned 40% chance is actually very close to 50% , since Alcryst will deal more damage to Generals on average , so both of them are almost equal. But , it doesn't end there either. With a full +10 stack of Speedtaker , Etie has 30 speed whike Alcryst has 33 speed. This allows Alcryst to not get doubled by wolf knights , and double Berserkers, High Priests , Martial Masters and Snipers . That is 5 incredibly common enemy types in the endgame. If anything , granting access to Speedtaker isn't an advantage for Warrior Etie , it definitively cements Alcryst as the better bow user. What about Griffin Riders, you say? Well , they have 59HP and 27 Def , and speed so high neither of them can hope to double, ever. 30 Str Etie with a +5 Silver Bow (18 mt) can one shot these guys with a Strength Tonic , that's 86 Atk exactly . Alcryst only has 75 Atk (78 with Get Behind Me!) , but higher crit , higher accuracy and with Luna he has 86 Atk and thus kills nearly 40% of the time. Since Alcryst can one shot a shade less than half a time or leave the Griffin crippled enough to die to any other blow , they are not too far apart in this regard, but this is Etie's biggest advantage. Also note that in chapters from 20-24 (23 in particular) , Great Knights, Paladins, Royal Knights, Zephia with Thoron and especially Wyverns can be doubled by Alcryst at +10 but not by Etie. Alcryst also doesn't get doubled by Swordmasters at +10 , for what its worth. The point of all this rambling and dissecting enemy types is that Etie does better against Griffins and Swordmasters (barely) while doing worse against atleast half the enemy types present in Engage's lategame, if not more. So, after babying Etie for the entire game , where she was objectively worse than Alcryst for the entire midgame, she becomes ever-so-slightly more , maybe even equal to him in terms of usefulness. That is a sign of being almost completely outclassed. Etie can also wield axes as a warrior , but there are atleast 8 other axe users that are better than her in that role , so I have kept this comparison to bows for this entire rant. Not to mention Alcryst could also use other weapons like Axes by reclassing , but why even bother when he uses bows just fine. I haven't even mentioned Alcryst's SP lead , how Etie needs to be tethered to an Emblem from 4-10 to be viable , Alcryst's better stat caps , Engage weapon refines , Alcryst using low-demand emblems better Now speaking in completely casual terms , Alcryst is still (subjectively) better than Etie in terms of unit feel , since he doubles more often , procs his personal skill more often , crits more often and Luna is just a skill with better application and feel when compared to Merciless. It also helps that Alcryst has (more) good supports with viable characters (Ivy, Hortensia ,Diamant , Seadall) while Etie gets to support relative weaklings like Alfred, Jade and Clanne for the most part. Alcryst also has some presence in the story , especially from Ch 7-11 , while Etie is absolutely irrelevant after Ch 3. Alcryst having a unique class also gives players an actual incentive to use him. Thus, I conclude by saying that Alcryst , in my humble opinion , absolutely dunks on Etie in almost all aspects and this shouldn't even have been a question in the first place. That being said , Engage is a game where every single character is viable because of Emblem Rings and their bonuses, forging , engraving , tonics , cooking , easily obtainable skills thanks to the well , broken DLC , free Heroes weapons and so much more. Even bottom 5 units like Vander, Etie and Anna can be used easily on the highest difficulty to kick some ass , and I think this level of flexibility makes Engage very enjoyable, both to play and to discuss

​@@AnandTripathi-dd8go ok so I was initially very excited that you brought concrete numbers and performances to the table, but looking at this comment more closely there are a lot of holes here (and some rudeness that i don't appreciate, like the bit about "anyone good at math can see..."). so i appreciate the effort and would love to engage with this further but i don't have the time to go through this much text and address everything, nor does the tone make me want to. but just to give some examples, yeah, 20 speed etie can't double 17 speed generals....until she consumes one (1) speed tonic, eats one somniel meal, OR gets one speedtaker, and then she one rounds with the hammer. In general, I'm noticing your analysis only factors in Speedtaker and no other speed bonuses at all. 10/20/1 Etie has 20 speed, but level 10 Lyn bond grants +5 speed, tonic/meal grants +2, Dragon/Covert Byleth adds +3/+5 speed, and since Etie is one-rounding enemies, it's not out of the question that you use Special Dance on her for another +3 speed every now and then. And if your complaint is that I'm using resources to boost a unit's speed - refer back to the video where we discuss this elaborately, as well as what happens if we don't spend any resources on either of them. "Also note that Master Seals are limited in midgame, so Etie may go 1-2 chapters without promoting (thus having lower strength growth) as Alcryst gets more exp and gets closer to Luna. Alcryst WILL promote first since he can promote immediately. Etie also takes an additional Second Seal to reclass to Warrior while Alcyrst can just promote to his exclusive class." Wait, so both Etie and Alcryst want to use a limited Master Seal, but it's only a drawback for Etie? Alcryst wants to use a Master Seal ASAP to be closer to Luna, but other than that they are in the same boat with regards to a Master Seal. They both want to use them. Optimally, neither of them get it, because there are better promotion options. Alcryst wanting Luna ASAP does not somehow make that problem go away, the opportunity cost is the same. There is a reward for Alcryst, yes, he gets Luna - but that's already factored into the combat equations.

@@Mekkkah So sorry that you found my analysis rude, Mekkah. Did not mean to offend anyone , I am a big fan of yours. Should not have been aggressive at all. Debating brings out the worst in me. I am happy to address your criticisms about the units however, it is true that I did not factor in the extra speed bonuses from Lyn emblem or meal bonuses or otherwise except for tonics. I did mention some of these things in fragments but failed to realise the potential combos. In my mind, both want to inherit Speedtaker and then use a very low-demand emblem since its simply not worth it to put Lyn on such mediocre units overall. This is mainly why I have not considered the Lyn emblem bonuses. As for the meal bonus and miscellaneous speed bonuses , Alcryst can use them too and it allows him to reach 40 speed (23+10+2+2+3) from Natural/Speedtaker/Tonics/Meals/Miscellaneous . This means he can double everything relevant including Griffins , something I think (not very sure about this) Etie cannot do because her Warrior class has a speed cap of 33. If speed bonuses allow her to go past these caps , then Etie has better endgame offense against regular enemies while Alcryst is better for killing really fast enemies or bosses. Also, accounting for level 20 emblem bond bonuses , I would like to point out that Roy gives +6 Str , so with Strength+6 , Alcryst actually can cover the strength gap completely (+meals, tonics, Alear and Veyle skills , Engage+ , there are so many ways to boost strength I must be forgetting). Of course, Etie can also use Roy but then she doesn't get Lyn's +5 speed, so her speed gets limited. The big thing here is that Roy is the emblem with the least demand next to Leif and Celica , while Lyn is unquestionably the most contested emblem. Alcryst needing Roy is less of a burden than Etie needing Lyn, even though Strength+6 is really expensive (but SP well exists and he gets it while Engaged anyway) There are also a few points I completely failed to account for. If Etie goes Warrior , she loses the Covert bonuses , so Alcryst has the niche of Covert 20 range Astra Storm going on for him . This is really important to lure bosses or break enemy formations, but it requires putting Lyn on Alcryst , so favoritism. Another thing is that in midgame before both units promote , where emblems and other bonuses are scarce, Alcryst can use his significant extra speed (+5 to +8) to fill engage meter faster. This is a minor point , but it is an advantage nonetheless. Re: Limited Master Seals and Second Seals I don't think I explained clearly enough. Both units are competing for the same Master Seals in midgame. Alcryst is the natural first choice due to his high level and speed lead, while Etie hasn't gained her strength lead yet. So Etie gets the second Master Seal naturally , putting her a level or two behind in addition to her lagging Alcryst's level in the first place (Etie likely promotes at 10 while Alcryst does at 12 or 13). The first disadvantage for Etie is that Alcryst will consistently maintain a level lead , so until both of them reach 20 promoted , the gap in strength is even lower than what it is here. The second disadvantage is that the 1 or 2 chapters Etie has to spend unpromoted hampers her performance wrt Alcryst even further than what I already calculated. But the third disadvantage , perhaps most crucial of all , is that she HAS TO use an additional Second Seal over Alcryst to even reclass into Warrior. That is an enormous amount of investment for a unit who will still remain worse than Alcryst a majority of the game. Of course , if we are only using one of the two , Etie can get the first Master Seal but that is not the point of comparison. Another thing I forgot, With Get Behind Me! factored in , Etie actually gains only 11-3 = 8 Strength over Alcryst in 20 levels, or 2 Strength in 5 levels. It takes 5 levels for Etie to even gain an Energy Drop's worth of Strength over Alcryst in practical combat, but he has Luna and crit and accuracy so that isn't even true around a third of the time. By comparison , Alcryst has +4 speed without even accounting for the level lead he might have (it went down from +8 due to Etie gaining speed and build) , so he can double almost an entire category of enemies she can't , making levelling him easier amongst other things. I would also argue any emblem Etie could use well , Alcryst could use better with the exception of Ike, since Etie gains axes. Even Lyn, doubling with Luna at ~30 Dex is over a 50% chance of a Luna proc , which deals 8 extra damage and renders even a +4 net Strength advantage irrelevant. For Etie to use Lyn better , she would have to get a net strength advantage (SA) such that 2SA>Luna proccing once , which will happen at +5 net strength , or around 10/10 for Etie factoring in Get Behind Me! . So Alcryst even uses Lyn better than Etie until 10/10, maybe even after that since I didn't account for Alacrity. Feel free to counter me Mekkah, I may be completely wrong yet again , but I'd love having this debate in a civil manner this time. Once again, I profusely apologise for my hurtful comments and my condescending tone earlier , my comments about math in particular were not meant to offend anyone, just to prove a point about probability. Thank you for reading my previous comments as well !

Merciless just does more yes, it’s not extremely practical as breaking means: enemy is damaged in the first place so killing shouldn’t be super hard and 2. Fracture which can result in some funny wrym ohkos

@Sohn fracture->merciless is the general idea yea 1 staff action to more or less guarantee a kill is pretty great, esp as it's basically 100% consistent

Diamant is a fair bit better than Lapis and Kagestu is much better than Diamant.

@@haroldmatthews-duggan4435 Lapis and Diamant are much closer in their performance than one might realize even outside the comparisons to Kagetsu. If Diamant is better than Lapis it's only by the extra 300 SP he joins with compared to her.

@@cartooncritic7045 honestly on looking into, I'm surprised how slim his strength lead is over her. Though his high build is very nice to let me use stronger weapons and Successor is good of you can get some Dex additives, I gave him Lyn but that might be more of support for Lyn.

@@haroldmatthews-duggan4435 lapis actually has more str than diamant!

@@sohn7767 I checked the maths, pretty sure she doesn't, and it could come down to class growths but it's surprisingly close.

Level 10 Alcryst has 1.5 more crit than level 10 Etie, and with each level his lead will grow by 0.075. This means that a level 40 Alcryst will have 3.75 more crit than a level 40 Etie Not massive.

Ppl do play him wrong. His dex growth and cap is so high that crit builds turn him into an absolute monster. Building him just around luna will cause frustration. Build.around his best boon, his dex.

Why don't you do that with Etie? She's got solid dex and her crits should do more damage than Alcryst's crits

Her dex isnt good at all and war doesnt help with that.

Even warriors run 100% crit builds lategame and both need wrath. And alcryst dex isn’t good enough to make the corrin engrave trade off

Did you do second seal, lvl 10 archer, then master seal, or master seal then second seal to bow knight?

@@duetopersonalreasonsaaaaaa promoted him to paladin and then reclass to bow knight

master seal then second seal (with lyn is a god)@@duetopersonalreasonsaaaaaa

You mean a cav ball with Alear using Lucina?

Because in discussion about unit viability you kinda just have to assume that you're giving them enough resources to at the very least be on the best class sets Besides alcrysts ord class is just sniper with garnish, he probably wants a second seal anyways

Sniper kinda sucks aside from 2 niche’s, speed instruct and 20 range astra

​@@magiv7573but then why use Luna Alcryst? Isn't this whole video talking about how it's unreliable and basically just "mimics" Etie's damage? Why would they not also put Alcryst in Warrior, where him having more Bld and HP would actually matter? They brought up hammers for Etie to counter armored enemies for their comparison to Luna, but also said that Etie getting in close is a mistake and shouldn't even be considered for arguments about her frailty.

@Skilletking2010 idk, I don't 5hink Luna alcryst is good In fact I would rather just use warrior alcryst if I have to Was just kind a potential answer to the first question

@@Skilletking2010 *would rather use warrior alcryst Ober Luna alcryst

When discussing unit viability these discussion inherently can't work if we take into considering stuff like wider master seal economy So both units are just being guaranteed a master seal for the discussion Also alcrysts best class is likely warrior anyways So the axes restriction hits him all the same

Anna better bouch video soon

Have you looked at Boucheron's absolute base str. It's 1 compared to etie's 4. Once reclassing is available, both etie and Alcryst have higher strength than he does with superior growths. Alcryst actually has higher dex for a large part of the game. He isnt passed until around internal lv 23 which is about ch 16. They also both have bow innates so they can use silver bows as warriors. Boucheron's standout quality is that he is incredibly bulky yet fast

@@gameboyn64 internal bases are completely irrelevant, Boucheron is a much better combat unit, so he'll get more xp and end up at a much higher level than Etie for a much lower amount of investment. He's just better in practice Boucheron's lowish strength growth eventually gets in the way but nothing an energy drop can't fix. Just did ch17 with my warrior boucheron and he was great

Don't worry, a lot of the people in the comments didn't watch the video either, or ignored arguments made in there.

The video isn't even arguing that one character is good and the other sucks. It's pretty much understood that neither units is particularly good. The video is comparing which is better and why because they are often compared to each other.

I agree, let's ignore engraves completely. They're not in the game to be used after all. And Alcryst has perfect hit without the engrave anyway, as shown by the comparison in the video.

@@Mekkkah Stop being disingenuous. That Lyn Engrave is highly contested. As are most of the hit+ engraves. And don't assume I'm some Alcryst fanboy either. They're both bad. I think your friend was clearly showing her biases when she confidently asserted that was an option for her and not your killer axe user (who will need it if they want one round foes as a physical attacker) So again. Do better

@@PKRockin7 ok then just get the leif engrave... or the eirika engrave... or the byleth engrave... or the lucina engrave...

@@Docaccino literally all of those are contested. You're not going to waste them on fucking Etie when your staple units like Ivy will most certainly need one, Eirika is going to help with crit builds, and Leif's all-around utility makes him too valuable What is with ostensibly smart Fire Emblem fans suddenly losing braincells when it comes to Etie??

@@PKRockin7 then just inherit bow focus lmao

Weapon sync is dlc. Both Weapon sync and lunar brace are expensive requiring well farming. If you divinely inspiring, marth ring, sigurd ring, or Alfonse ring with a chain attack she can one shot the fliers. Power skills are expensive and require well abuse.

@@gameboyn64 Weapon Sync is DLC. That is fair. I also admit I didn’t think of using Divinely Inspired or Chain attacks to get the fliers. So now she has two chapters in which she is decent with the second requiring set up. That doesn’t help her chapter 5 or 6 performance though. Overall, I have played the chapters both ways and still think they are easier with Etie on the bench. Using the well normally (3 or 4 stars) will allow you to get thing like Lunar Brace and Power skills up to 3 with little difficulty. If you don’t like using the well that’s fine but it is a part of the no DLC base game now so these very strong skills need to be considered despite their cost.