Iain must be right he knows all the facts. The BBC have told him all the facts necessary to make an educated judgement. Backed up by BBC verify. What on earth could be wrong with that.😂😂😂
Seems like the UK has conveniently forgotten who illegally invaded Iraq to effect regime change on the pretext of seeking mythical weapons of mass destruction. The invasion was condemned by the UN and its Secretary General as an illegal invasion. So, what's the difference between the illegal invasion of Iraq and the illegal invasion of Ukraine? To me, the West was just more successful in its illegal invasion than Russia was, but then, the West had plenty of such practise from its colonial past! No wonder the Global South look upon the West as hypocrites and effecting double standards when it suits them. Oh, and what about the Israel invasion of Gaza?
1) We don't condone the Iraq war. The largest protest in our history was against it. 2) The Iraq war wasn't conducted by "the west", but by 4 countries; the US, Poland, Britain, and Canada. Other "the west" countries opposed it, notably Germany and France.
😂😂😂 Modern mainstream media have suffered significant losses, particularly when they resort to personal attacks against guests they themselves invited. Such behavior reflects unprofessionalism and an inability to handle dissenting opinions gracefully
Iain Dale is the clown in this debate. I didn't hear any actual arguments from him. All he could do was resort to name-calling. Too indoctrinated to face reality.
@thomasstergaard4412 they are talking utter nonsense though . Putin himself destroyed the nato argument when he told the world ukraine was Russian.. clearly imperialist nationalism was the reason and if Ukrainians didn't want to be apart of putins world tough as far as the dictator was concerned 🙄
@@mikedon5205 The true imperialists are NATO, i.e., the U.S. and their sycophants. Russia won't accept NATO missiles in their backyard. And why should they? The Americans would never accept Russian missiles in Mexico or Canada. The double standards of the West makes me cringe.
@@stevewake6614 Apparently, my reply has been deleted. Probably because I pointed out the double standards of NATO and the U.S. In what way am I talking nonsense? Just like the clown Iain Dale, you resort to name-calling without arguments.
@@mikedon5205 You forget that the U.S. helped overthrow a democratically elected Ukrainian goverment in 2014. Before the neo-n@zi Zelenskij were installed as a U.S. puppet, the Ukrainians had no problems accepting a guaranteed neutrality. NATO and the U.S. are the true imperialists in this case (and many others).
"confirmed" You mean they _claimed_ it? Please explain to me, how a completely unreasonable and exclusively favorable deal to Russia, was going to be accepted by Zelensky up until Boris Johnson did.. What exactly? Stated publicly the obvious fact that Russia cannot be trusted?
@@Khalkara You are mistaken. It has been confirmed by the Israeli mediator himself. Putin and Zelinskij had reached an agreement, but the US and the UK would not allow it. Boris scuppered the deal by putting pressure on Zelinskij. An act of criminal stupidity.
These guys were probably all hyped about 2012 too, or maybe they could have brought some flat earth believers to the studio with them. All of them could actually agree on their conspiracies and fallacies
Ian Dale should be ashamed for his ignorance and lack of impartiality - two sides to most conflicts , he is very childish. David Kurten is right on most things
Did you listen to a word they told you, Russia would not have invaded if it wasnt for the West interfering with Ukraine's politics and making them anti-Russian.
Maiden coup ? Yanokovich ? Attacks by ukrne neo yazi battalions since 2014? If you care for the other side of the story look up Ukraine on fire on youtube , these msm outlets really have people dumbed down , I can guess you took the jab and plan to vote labour lol. Probly a big wef fan too
Because the truth is nato was once again wrong look what happened in libya and Afghanistan today the taliban held talks with un tomorrow or near future putin will have talks with eu or usa .
Erm the USA orchestrated a regime change in 2014 and toppled the elected government. Then the new regime began slaughtering people in Eastern Ukraine because they didn't agree with it. Don't you even know that? Putin tried for 8 years to get the new regime to sign a peace agreement but they kept breaking the terms. I'm astonished that so many people are ignorant of the facts. Merkel and Zelensky even admitted publicly that they never intended to honour the peace agreement because they were just using it to buy time to rearm. Russia only invaded as a last resort.
You have no idea what you're talking about. It's ok for him to talk about ceding territory. Yes, there are those in the Luhansk areas that like to be Russian, but many more that don't. Those that refuse to accept Russian passports face having homes seized, having bank accounts frozen.
I love how the best any ukrainian supporters around the world can ever come up with is 'putin propaganda' and then wonder why everyone isnt rallying to their side 😂
MODERATOR, i certainly wasn't thinking that at all; how dare you speak for others; the bloke was factual; 'bout time you caught up with what is happening
Wel done to David Kirten for telling the truth. YES, Russia did invade Ukraine but WHY did they? And that is the question that they never ever want to ask or answer! They only show or talk about 1 side of the story! There is ALWAYS 2 sides to a story! Iain Dale was rude, arrogant and unprofessional towards his guest. Iain Dale should be ashamed of himself for being so willfully ignornant and also for his poor conduct!
They attacked Ukraine because Putin is power crazy, has no internal opponents and wanted to show off his ‘tough man’ credentials on the world stage. As a Brexit headbanger of course Kurten is bought and paid for by the Kremlin
When is Iain going to understand that these types of views will always be attached to the right wing of politics. Of which he says he is a member of. Wake up mate.
The guests on this are all left wing. Organisation titles such as Social Democrats, Socialist Workers etc. They are just making up stuff as they go along or pull all of their so-called facts from opinions on social media.
The guests on this are all left wing. Organisation titles such as Social Coalition, Workers Party etc are a dead giveaway. It seems as though they just make up stuff as they go along or pull all their so-called facts from opinions on social media. A distinct lack of intellect is on display.. scary really.
go and ask Russians how they feel about nato expansion , disregard for Minsk agreements and having hostile weapons on their border , some controlled by neo yazis . Speaking of which maybe go look into founders of nato , eu and united nations - think u might find they worked for AH
And go ask people in ukrne if they like being forced to fight and perish in a war that could have been stopped over a table - boris johnson soon saw to that - dale is a tory he is towing the line , kurten is talking sense - its possible to be neutral and see both sides perspectives - these are basics and people should know , even lbc sheeple - try the duran or redacted on yt
@@mrdaveythebabyThe Americans spent 5 billion ousting an elected leader for the CIA to put in their own guy also a raging "not see." They got caught red handed and have still been meddling in Ukraine hard for over a decade. You know nothing.
Full marks for Ian giving these small parties air time. Unfortunately as moderator on this occasion he was terrible. Anyone with a non UK media - political perspective can see there is a background which is not complimentary to the USA / UK versions of events. Anyone disagreeing with the sequence of events leading up to this conflict should argue on basis of facts not simply try to wash everything away with a derogatory 'Putin Fan' dismissal.
Opinions like these is precisely why these small parties should remain small. There is nothing that justifies Russia’s invasion. Absolutely nothing. And these Putin apologists are being called exactly what they deserve; absolute disgraces.
He’s rude and talks over people that he doesn’t agree with, the propaganda in this ‘war’ is off the scale and it’s actually pathetic and cringey to listen to people who parrot the mainstream narrative
Many people agree with David. How dare you speak to David in such a manner! Most people are sick of the alphabets and Iain doesn't even understand what is being spoken about. David represents the mass thought that you ignore in your silly little echo chamber. Reform is coming.😊
Anyone supporting Putin and his narrative should not forget that if he gets his way, the supporters here will not be rewarded and get rich. A few hundred Russian indivudals will be seated here and gain power, but none of you "early supporters" will get any power or money.
Time for Ian Dale to go. Doesn't he read the comments. Doesn't he do research. When the US commentator Jimmy Dore starts to ridicule him on his show its time for LBC to show him the door.
@@JohnScott-el9gm yea bare basic pre programmed brainwashed simpleton answer - watches half an hour of mainstream media and thinks they know it all - try redacted or the duran on youtube if you want actual news
The Workers party guy went from talking about talking about having solidarity with eastern Europeans to saying, why should we send troops to defend other people.
Dale usually is the clown but the two ivans either side of him managed to out clown him .. putins told us ukraine is Russian so the whole nato excuse is dead putin himself killed it .
Dale can't see that he's completely idiotic with the "Putin Propaganda" line, he has no ability to look at the situation with any nuance and as a person who debates for a living that's shameful from him.
Also vast majority of Ukrainians want to join the EU that's why there were protests and when the putin puppet responded with bullets and met resistance he fled because he knew the vast majority were against his stance Ukrainians will tell you this. These two are mouthing putin propaganda
Ukrainians would not be forced to resist for the amount the have by anyone including zelensky. They say they resist because simply they don't have a choice I know several Ukrainian women who have husbands at the front here who only blame putin not zelensky
A small group that Zelenskyy wanted to disband but they had been made local heroes when they held out against Russia during the invasion of Crimea. On the other hand the Russian Nazis hold 4 seats in the Kremlin. Funny how no one talks about that. When will Putin take action there?
Read your comments LBC. When you say, "I'm just reflecting what every person listening to this programme is saying".......er nope, you are not. Why is the British media so utterly incorrigible and predictable? Give up, too many people are waking up to your one dimensional narrative.
Well done to David and the guy from the Worker's Party....they spoke truth. And its funny how all the messages Ian gets are against these two gentlemen, but the comments page on the LBC youTube channel support them both.
If you don't like what someone's saying, debate it with them. They're raising valid points, Iain just doesn't want to hear/debate it. What's the point in having them on?
Love the title not bias at all. You can’t say anything against Ukraine without being called an apologist or a Putin, puppet. There are people in positions of power in the Uk and other countries that do not want this war to end. They will continue to pour money and Ukrainian lives at it. All the while telling us that victory is just around the corner. A lot of companies lying in their pockets with this blood money. Obviously it is a very complex situation but I’m sure if they want it they could reach deal tomorrow
We live in a society of too many polarising views. Either Russia are 100% in the wrong or the west are 100% in the wrong. The truth, as always, is likely to be closer to the middle.
I would say that annexing someone else's territories for their human, agricultural and mineral resources is 100% wrong personallly. And I said it in an academic way. The reality is sheer horror.
Whats it got to do with kier starmers father ? BTW people should look up the trilateral commission - founded by bankers kier is on the members list with kissenger and JE ( yes the island man ) , not to mention people like blinken and a endless string of global elites - how very socialist , then again david lammy hangs around at bilderberg conferences so the writings on the wall , oh but david has show on my blinky box he seems nice - yea like mogg gets 30k pm on gb news too or whatever - really wish people would wake up
Yea hopefully we get fully detached from the corrupt cabal spun up by former yazis - names like walter hallstein , adolf huseinger and kurt waldheim spring to mind . Sure the big brains that clap torys on corporate owned lbc know all about that lol
Yea, absolutely. Didn't cover himself In glory. If ever the Russians want proof of the effectiveness of their bot intelligence program, this is it though. This guy is hook, line and sinker, unfortunately
Agree; I would have asked them what their advice would have been to Neville Chamberlain at Munich, and how they regard Russia's position on LGBTQ and workers' rights (Russian workers have the lowest employment protection and face the highest income inequality in Europe, and LGTBQ people are fleeing the country btw.)
Not sure why folks are having a go at poor Iain. All he really said in effect was ‘I am an utterly brainless idiot that parrots propaganda above all else, so don’t pollute my presence with your hurty truth’.