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@michaelblankenau6598
@michaelblankenau6598 7 месяцев назад
If you are allowed to use a calculator to get 2 ÷15 why can't you use the calculator to take square root of 65 and square root of 63 ?
@Ruddigore
@Ruddigore 6 месяцев назад
My thoughts exactly...
@DrThot
@DrThot 6 месяцев назад
You don’t need a calculator for 2/15. Long division works fine, but there isn’t an “easy” way to do the roots
@michaelblankenau6598
@michaelblankenau6598 6 месяцев назад
@@DrThot for me even long division is hard
@DrThot
@DrThot 6 месяцев назад
@@michaelblankenau6598 well that’s fair enough then !
@obstfrukty1063
@obstfrukty1063 6 месяцев назад
It's easy to calculate 2 ÷15 without a calculator, even without paper and pen: 2 ÷15 = 4 ÷30 = 0.13333333......
@backgammonmaster
@backgammonmaster 7 месяцев назад
Dear teacher @ 5:8 it should be 254 NOT 255 . Thanks you.
@chunsu3361
@chunsu3361 4 месяца назад
254가 맞음
@kingbeauregard
@kingbeauregard 7 месяцев назад
Neat! I wish they'd teach the old pen and paper square root technique again. It required a fair amount of brute force mathin', but it got me results that I could feel confident were accurate to whatever arbitrary degree of precision.
@ajb16384
@ajb16384 7 месяцев назад
Correction: its S² < 256 and S² > 254
@cyruspersia3436
@cyruspersia3436 7 месяцев назад
In Iran we solve this by taking the roots separately, no calculator used, I have 0.125 as answer in two steps.
@pieterjlansbergen6988
@pieterjlansbergen6988 6 месяцев назад
Same here. The solution proposed by MathWindow is clever but seems overly complicated and eventually inaccurate.
@suryadiadipranata3340
@suryadiadipranata3340 3 месяца назад
For the numerator, it is okay, so that we got 65-63=2 For the denominator, your approach is rather complicated, confusing and inaccurate. I have a version that is simpler. Sqrt(65)+sqrt(63) =sqrt(64+1)+sqrt(64-1) =sqrt(8+a)^2+sqrt(8-a)^2 So (8+a)^2=8^2+2x8xa+a^2 where 16a+a^2=1 …….i Similarly (8-a)^2=8^2-2x8xa+a^2 where -16a+a^2=-1 …..ii Minus i with ii, we got 32a=2 so a = 1/16 The denominator will be Sqrt(8+1/16)^2+sqrt(8-1/16)^2=8+1/16+8-1/16=16 Final result = 2/16 = 1/8 ______________________ Same approach can be applied to similar question. For example, Sqrt(66) - sqrt(62) = 4/16=1/4 Sqrt(82) - sqrt(80)=2/18=1/9
@rogerkearns8094
@rogerkearns8094 7 месяцев назад
2:07 It's already seen to be very close to 2/(8 +8) = 1/8 at this point, I'd stop here.
@christopheremmanuel1615
@christopheremmanuel1615 7 месяцев назад
how about this: the root of 254 is way more than 15, sort of closer to 16. so i think i would use something like 0.125
@robertveith6383
@robertveith6383 7 месяцев назад
*@ Math Window* Instead of your method, you should use the binomial theorem. Write it as 8*sqrt(1 + 1/64) - 8*sqrt(1 - 1/64), and just use two terms in each. You will up with an approximation of *0.125* which is relatively very close.
@CrYou575
@CrYou575 7 месяцев назад
That was my immediate thought.
@honestadministrator
@honestadministrator 7 месяцев назад
√(n^2 + 1) - √(n^2 - 1) = n( 1 + 1/( 2 n^2)) - n( 1 - 1/( 2 n^2)) = 1/n Herein n = 8 This implies desired answer is 1/8
@windyyw
@windyyw 6 месяцев назад
yes agree
@danielvieira8374
@danielvieira8374 7 месяцев назад
By Taylor formula for sqrt(x+1)-sqrt(x-1) at x=64 up to first derivative, you get (8+1/16)-(8-1/16)=1/8=0,125 that is a good approximation even though the intervals appears to be large
@grzegorzkondracki4630
@grzegorzkondracki4630 6 месяцев назад
Calculator says sqrt(65)-sqrt(63)=0,125003815104... Your aproximation is very, very good.
@mindyourbusiness3749
@mindyourbusiness3749 7 месяцев назад
thank you window. you are teaching me new tricks day by day keep going
@jessewolf7649
@jessewolf7649 7 месяцев назад
The clickbait is misleading. I was expecting an exact answer.
@jamesburrelljr.8561
@jamesburrelljr.8561 7 месяцев назад
This is not a trick simply a lot of math
@yvesdelombaerde5909
@yvesdelombaerde5909 7 месяцев назад
S^2 is closer to 256 than to 255 as 15x15 is only 225, you could interpolate a more accurate estimation. Also 128+2x63=254. But this does not invalidate your method. Usualy one uses the conjugate product to get rid of the squre roots at the denominator, this is a nice example just doing the opposite.
@user-wq8oh5ph2q
@user-wq8oh5ph2q 6 месяцев назад
If you know the Taylor expansion you can a more accurate answer 0.12500, faster than this.
@ScientistPrepper
@ScientistPrepper 4 месяца назад
Since S is very very close to 16, you can estimate a lot closer to 0.25 than to 0.3333. So in stead of 0.3 we could say 0.26. I really like this example!
@AlexeyEvpalov
@AlexeyEvpalov 7 месяцев назад
Спасибо за решение.
@tonyscott1658
@tonyscott1658 7 месяцев назад
Not bad the answer is much closer to the lower bound ie. 0.125
@robertveith6383
@robertveith6383 7 месяцев назад
@ Math Window -- Or, as the radicands are 8^2 + 1 and 8^2 - 1, use the approximation a + b/(2a). This will work well, because the absolute values of 1 and -1 are relatively small compared to 64. For example, for the first number, a = 8 and b = 1. When you use this approximation on both numbers, and then take their difference, the result is *0.125.*
@0011peace
@0011peace 7 месяцев назад
since you aren't eliminate ing the square roots its b any better than the orginal. If you figure 65^1/2 + 63^1/2 it becomes half of the orginal answer and you can approximate bu doing 1/64^1/2 which 1/8 fir aorioamately 0.125 and exactly 0.12500381510477788086176596938599 Wich is ~ the right answer
@Ciofey
@Ciofey 3 месяца назад
Or approximate that sqrt(65) + sqrt(63) = 2 * sqtr(64). The difference is about 0.0005. This gives us that sqrt(65) - sqrt(63) = 1/8, which is a much better approximation than 1.3
@fred8780
@fred8780 6 месяцев назад
instead look for a pqttern. i see that (n^2 +1)^0.5 - (n^2 -1)^0.5 equal approx 1/n. but n>=2. 2, 1/2; 3, 1/3; etc so the answer is 1/8.
@jim2376
@jim2376 7 месяцев назад
8 + (1/16) = 8.0625. √65 = 8.0622 . . . Pretty close. 8 - (1/16) = 7.9375. (Notice the minus sign because you're looking upstairs.) √63 = 7.9372 . . . Pretty close. Ya got really close approximations. Take the difference. There's your answer. The Aussie on the Tech Math channel has an excellent video on estimating square roots. But he doesn't cover the minus technique for perfect squares above. It's a simple three step process. 😃
@jessewallis6589
@jessewallis6589 6 месяцев назад
How was that 2?
@yzhang2008
@yzhang2008 6 месяцев назад
This is not math. This is calculation.
@walter6574
@walter6574 7 месяцев назад
1:45 not following how numerator is 2.
@NLGeebee
@NLGeebee 6 месяцев назад
Expand and simplify. The result is the difference between 65 and 63. This works with all square roots. I had to try is for myself to find out the general rule for this.
@justaman1090
@justaman1090 7 месяцев назад
All this explanation should take a minute, not 7 minutes
@OneTrueBadShoe
@OneTrueBadShoe 7 месяцев назад
Question By my thinking That result is 6.7% higher than the true value And the lower range in that estimation (0.125) is less than 0.0031% lower than the true value. Is there somewhere in your estimation process that could be tweaked to get it closer?
@afj810
@afj810 7 месяцев назад
taking into account rate of change instead of simply bounding will be able to give a better estimate
@AP-wz6fb
@AP-wz6fb 7 месяцев назад
When doing approximation, it is good to have a sandwich as you can tell the range of the approximation. Knowing the answer is 0.125 is good but honestly not enough. However, there must be a better way for the upper bound as it varies too much.
@nothingbutmathproofs7150
@nothingbutmathproofs7150 4 месяца назад
128 is even, 2sqrt(63^2) is even so the sum must be even. You said that the sum is 255 !!!
@canr772
@canr772 7 месяцев назад
with a sqaure root table: sqrt(65) - sqrt(63) = sqrt(6500)/10 - sqrt(6300)/10 and so use the method that everybody knows to find an approximation (if u want a better approximation do sqrt(650000)/100 - sqrt(630000)/100) sqrt(6300)/10 approximately (sqrt(6241) + (6300-6241)/(sqrt(6241)*2))/10 = 79 + 59/158 sqrt(6500)/10 approximately (sqrt(6561) + (6500-6561)/(sqrt(6561)*2))/10 = 81 - 61/162 so (81 - 61/162)/10 - (79 + 59/158)/10 = (8.1 - 61/1620) - (7.9 + 59/1580) = 8.1 - 61/1620 - 7.9 - 59/1580 = = 8.1 - 7.9 - 61/1620 - 59/1580 = 0.2 - 61/1620 - 59/1580 = 2/10 - 61/1620 - 59/1580 = = (2 - 61/162 - 59/158)/10 = (2 - ((61*158) / (162 * 158)) - ((59 * 162) / (158 * 162)))/10 = (2 - 9638/25596 - 9558/25596)/10 = = (51192/25596 - 9638/25596 - 9558/25596)/10 = (51192-9638-9558)/25596/10 = 31996/25596/10 = 31996/255960 = 7999/63990 so sqrt(65) - sqrt(63) is approximately 7999/63990 go to calculator and check: 7999/63990 ≈ 0.125003906861 sqrt(65) - sqrt(63) ≈ 0.12500381511 so error is about 0.0000000917556690639734 while error in video is about 0.00499618 so mine is about 54450.97 times accurate than yours
@stevenwilson5556
@stevenwilson5556 7 месяцев назад
Your boundaries were spot on but the 0.13 was off.. 0.125 was much better approximation. The answer is ~ 0.1250038…
@ApurvaAnilKunkulol
@ApurvaAnilKunkulol 6 месяцев назад
Why is (sqrt(65) -sqrt(63)) (sqrt65+sqrt(63)) = 2 When it should be 2*sqrt(65) *sqrt(63) ?
@Fred-yq3fs
@Fred-yq3fs 6 месяцев назад
Write 65 = 64+1 and 63 = 64-1. Factor by 8 out of the radicals. A=8*[ (1+x)^1/2 - (1-x)^1/2 ] where x = 1/64 Then use the Taylor series of (1+x)^1/2: Stopping at order 1, we get the approximate value = 1/8. Easy. But how good the approx is? Go to the 3rd order given order 0 and 2 cancel because of the minus sign of the 2 radicals. The 2 3rd order terms = 2*(1/2*-1/2*-3/2*1/6!)*x^3 = 1/8*x^3 Multiplied by 8 in front = x^3 = (1/64)^3 = 4/2^20 2^20 being approx 10^6: 1/8 approximates the correct value with an approx error of 4*10^-6. Good enough. Won't use the Lagrange reminder formula of the Taylor series to get a rigorous upper bound of the approx. A quick calculation in Excel gives A = 0.125004
@Columbariusify
@Columbariusify 5 месяцев назад
I understand everything till 4:00 after that this replacing and +1and -1 is more like philosophy to me .
@Columbariusify
@Columbariusify 5 месяцев назад
I would just write that whole statement 128+2√(64)^2-1 as 255 but I am not mathematician
@rotten-Z
@rotten-Z 6 месяцев назад
The value is 0.125003815 so the approximation is completely past the correct answer
@yuliatham5419
@yuliatham5419 4 месяца назад
*make calculate, more fast*
@kimba381
@kimba381 7 месяцев назад
√63 is a little bit less than 8, √65 is a little bit more than 8, so √63 + √65 ≈ 16 We get 2/16 = 0.125, or to 2 significant figures 0.13. Tada!
@tanelkagan
@tanelkagan 7 месяцев назад
When you multiply by the conjugate, the "middle terms" disappear. Here we have (√65-√63)(√65+√63) which expands to: (√65)² - √65√63 + √65√63 - (√63)². The middle terms cancel, leaving: (√65)² - (√63)², or simply 65 - 63, which is just 2.
@user-ox9yb1qr6l
@user-ox9yb1qr6l 18 дней назад
Я воспользовался дифференциалом функций √64+1 и √64-1. {1/(2√64)}-{-1/(2√64)}=(1/16 )+(1/16)=0.125 с точностью до 0.000001😊
@AvalonWizard
@AvalonWizard 7 месяцев назад
Not sure if I like this because the actual answer to 5dp is 0.12500
@Demotivator.
@Demotivator. 6 месяцев назад
225=15^2
@lourdesvillamayor-nu5ld
@lourdesvillamayor-nu5ld 4 месяца назад
Hay un error, en una unidad
@lourdesvillamayor-nu5ld
@lourdesvillamayor-nu5ld 4 месяца назад
128+2*63=254😊
@Chemistry_Physics_Biology_Math
@Chemistry_Physics_Biology_Math 7 месяцев назад
재밌어요 !
@user-xr2cn3vx1u
@user-xr2cn3vx1u 6 месяцев назад
Don't say "calcurate", when you mean "approximate".
@johnhynes7891
@johnhynes7891 6 месяцев назад
Im sorry but the actual calculation is quicker and more accurate then the "Trick"
@sentinel1064
@sentinel1064 6 месяцев назад
- seems, you intentionally did the error (255 instead of 254) to get more hype))) Congrats!
@gandharvagrover8396
@gandharvagrover8396 5 месяцев назад
X2-Y2 = 2, Fucking divide 2 by 16 ... simple approxi from differentiation or logic It is 1/8 or .125
@stevenp7991
@stevenp7991 6 месяцев назад
taykor series is easier and faster
@irahartoch1075
@irahartoch1075 4 месяца назад
I am with you until you round all the way up to 0.13. It is OBVIOUS that the answer is going to be much closer to .125 than to .133 so a reasonable "guestimate" would be .126. In fact, if you WERE to use a calculator it comes out to 0.1250038. The only justification for rounding to .13 is if you are limiting the answer to 2 decimal places.
@kk6aw
@kk6aw 7 месяцев назад
.125
@ChangBenjamin
@ChangBenjamin 7 месяцев назад
Wasted so much time for such a result is meaningless.
@user-kr2op8jh8z
@user-kr2op8jh8z 7 месяцев назад
15*15=225
@Rai_Te
@Rai_Te 7 месяцев назад
Huuuu ,,,, this is really much too complicated (at least for the resolution reached). Take the nearest squarenumbers ... 64 and 81 in the case of 65 and 49 and 64 in the case of 63. Now approximate the sqrt(65) by sqrt(64) + (65-64)/(81-64) which is 8 + 1/17 Approximate sqrt(63) by sqrt(64) + (63-64)/(64-49) which is 8 - 1/15 Finally sqrt(65)-sqrt(63) is approximately 8+1/17 - (8-1/15) = 1/17 + 1/15 = 32/255 = 0.12549.. The real value would be 0.1250038...
@user-jw1dc9uo6v
@user-jw1dc9uo6v 6 месяцев назад
Ответ иррациональное число?..
@user-xq9zn1jx8d
@user-xq9zn1jx8d 6 месяцев назад
?!. А чему будет равна сумма двух значений. √(36) - √(35). Task. Xiao, всем пока.
@jonasjaciunskis3170
@jonasjaciunskis3170 4 месяца назад
i can see why they didn't teach this..... :)
@abrahammelkonian9698
@abrahammelkonian9698 4 месяца назад
foireux
@valeriykotlov2763
@valeriykotlov2763 7 месяцев назад
The task should be estimate, not calculate. Before trying to teach ask mathematicians how to do it in a much simpler and more accurate way. Also you could use calculator and check your answer, it’s .125!
@y_kagami
@y_kagami 6 месяцев назад
The answer is about 0.125003812😢
@maddog5597
@maddog5597 4 месяца назад
This whole explanation is overly complicated, plus your final answer is wrong. If you work it out, the solution is much closer to 1/8 than 0.13.
@user-wb3ev8qs6x
@user-wb3ev8qs6x 6 месяцев назад
Так для чого ж був потрібен весь цей цирк??? Значно простіше і швидше 65=8.06226^2, 63=7,93725^2; тому 8,06226-7,93725=0,12501
@user-lj1nd8rq9w
@user-lj1nd8rq9w 6 месяцев назад
Rubbish. And rubbish started at 15
@daddykhalil909
@daddykhalil909 6 месяцев назад
Boring and complicated Unfortunately your efforts and our time are lost in vain
@romanzayats7024
@romanzayats7024 6 месяцев назад
Stupid resolution. 😂
@GWaters-xr1fv
@GWaters-xr1fv 4 месяца назад
BETTER RESULT : "s" = 1/8 + (1/64)^3 = .125003815 ( correct to 9 decimal places ). For a deeper ( and incredibly accurate ) result use the binomial expansions here: "s" = sqrt(64+1) - sqrt(64-1) = 8 x [ sqrt(1 + 1/64) + sqrt(1 - 1/64) ]. Then using the binomial expansions for ( 1 + x )^1/2 , with x = 1/64 and x = -1/64, we find that all of the odd terms cancel out. The two second terms add to give : 8 x (1/64) = 1/8 = .125 which is the rough approximation answer in this video and most comments. The two 3rd and 5th terms cancel out, but the 4th terms add to : (1/64)^3 . Using the calculator this is : .000003815 ( to 9 dec places ). The 6th terms add to a number much too small to affect the first 9 digits. So, here's a good easy approximation ( correct to 9 decimal places ) "s" = 1/8 + (1/64)^3 = 2^(-3) + 2^(-18) !! Check this out on your calculator on both sides : "s" = sqrt(65) - Sqrt(63) = .125003815 = 1/8 + (1/64)^3 .
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