You Wouldn’t 3D Print a Computer - This Week In Retro 164

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Your weekly Retro Computing discussion show returns! Rollercoaster Tycoon is 25 years old? Are you a fan of any of the Tycoon games? We chat about those classic SIM games, take a look at how somebody went to extraordinary lengths to create a new old Mac and more old tech has been spotted in new media.
All of that plus many other topics are covered in Dave's Housekeeping and we get your answers to this week's Community Question Of The Week.
We are sponsored this week by Pixel Addict magazine. The current issue has a guide to the CoCo computer and Tandy in general. Plus there is a celebration of the anniversary of King's Quest! Visit www.pixel.addict.media/ for the full run down on the latest issue.
00:00 - Show Opening
07:13 - 25 Years Of Ups and Downs With Rollercoaster Tycoon
Story Link: www.theguardian.com/games/202...
20:36 - Don’t Fix It, 3D Print It
Story Link: / 3d_printing_a_fullsize...
38:12 - Dave's Housekeeping
Music Rights = De-listed Game: • Making a Game Last For...
WipeOut on 68K Amiga: arcziii.itch.io/wipeout
Trocadero Centre: www.theguardian.com/games/202...
Zelda Key Glitch: • The Zelda Key Glitch U...
RCM's New Home: www.timeextension.com/news/20...
NBA Giveaway Not OK: kotaku.com/nba-2k19-flea-mark...
53:22 - Did I Just See What I Think I Saw?
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58:32 - Community Question of the Week
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This Week in Retro is a weekly roundup of the hottest stories from the world of retro gaming and computing, voted on by you, the listener! Hosted by Neil from RMC and Dave. Edited by Duncan Styles.
Episode Credits
Parts of "3D Printed Full-Size Macintosh - The Brewintosh" courtesy of Kevin Noki
See the full video here: • 3D Printed Apple Macin...
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@markwrightrf 3 месяца назад

Good morning and welcome to Saturday on BBC-1. In a moment, we join the Open University for another lecture from Tech Moan. At 9.30 we cross to the studio of "This Week in Retro" for a fun hour or two remembering we're all still alive. Retro Recipes may or may not follow later. That's your Saturday here on imaginary BBC-1.

@DJSvenNo1 3 месяца назад

@retrorecipes @techmoan

@banjobear1666 3 месяца назад

The new housekeeping theme is phenomenal. Brilliant !

@CharlieWyvill 3 месяца назад

What a jingle! Even better than Boyzone!

@hisham_hm 3 месяца назад

Petition to have Mat from Techmoan as a guest in the show!

@ThisWeekinRetro 3 месяца назад

We'd love to have him on - I'm not sure he'd want to though! (Dave)

@hisham_hm 3 месяца назад

@@ThisWeekinRetro it's worth a try! His "channels I watch" list does include retrogaming channels such as Sharopolis and Sega Lord X (who are other cool guest ideas, by the way!)

@JenniferinIllinois 3 месяца назад

OMG the jingle!!!! It's so 80s. It's absolutely perfect!

@Lordborak316 3 месяца назад

I bought Pixel addict because an angry Scottish man said I had to.

@okbrown 3 месяца назад

Same😂 but i am really behind on reading them all 😅

@dingusbingus7463 3 месяца назад

@@okbrowndon't worry, as long as you've bought an issue, the angry Scottish man stays docile

@Lbf5677 3 месяца назад

You could pirate it, cos it helps preservation. (Just kidding)

@Zhixalom 3 месяца назад

The appearance of the Commodores in Halo season 2 episode 4, was on a shelf inside a vintage-shop on Reach, just before the planet's surface was turned to glass by the Covenant's fusion bombs... Which means that someone had taken these Commodores onto another planet. It also means that story-wise they were actually destroyed. - Funny you guys should talk about 3D printing you're own retro-computer, while I am in the middle of actually doing it. Because I am currently building a ZX Spectrum Next clone, based on the X-Berry PI for Robin (8 Bit Show and Tell), while listening to "This week in Retro". I have already completed its CherryMX based Spectrum+ keyboard, using "NaDoom's SpecCherry+ PCB", with my own home-baked and 3D-printed keycaps, and I'm now well into the process of 3D-designing the case; designing and test-printing one corner at the time... I'm actually printing a test while writing this. - It's neither going to look like a ZX Next nor a Spectrum+... it is going to be my own take on a Speccy-case. 😉

@JimmyCall 3 месяца назад

Really missing Chris on your board. Ask him to do a show here and there!

@p_mouse8676 3 месяца назад

Yeah or at least another person. There is absolutely nothing wrong with these great guys, but just having another perspective to the stories makes it more interesting I think. 👍😎🙂

@KungPao2008 3 месяца назад

Theme Park designer Demis Hassabis was knighted just the other day for his AI company google Deepmind. He worked for Bullfrog all the way up to the late theme park games like Theme Park World I believe. Loved that era and all the tycoon games.

@JamesHanniganComposer 3 месяца назад

He'd left Bullfrog by Theme Park World (which I happened to work on) - for Lionhead, I think. I worked with him and Elixir some years later on Evil Genius and Republic, devising a new interactive music system in the process. There was a lot of talk about AI even back then, and it didn't surprise me when Demis moved into that field.

@KungPao2008 3 месяца назад

@@JamesHanniganComposer that's awesome, thank you James

@massdrivermusic 3 месяца назад

Wow! the Dave's Housekeeping jingle music is now the best and absolutely the most epic jingle music in history! I'm VERY and truly impressed!! :D

@gorgar6657 3 месяца назад

THAT TUNE F'N ROCKED !!

@tahustvedt 3 месяца назад

That glam rock tune was epic.

@bobbus_74 3 месяца назад

My god, that theme tune was the bollocks! 😂😂

@Lordborak316 3 месяца назад

That's one bloody epic house keeping jingle 😂

@markwhatever256 3 месяца назад

Its absolutely fantastic 🤘🤘🤘

@KevNowers 3 месяца назад

What an EPIC Dave's Retro News Briefs jingle - KUDOS

@budgetkeyboardist 2 месяца назад

I liked RollerCoaster Tycoon, but my kids really loved it. My daughter was just talking about it the other day. What a neat game that was - if you'd call it a game. It was more than that. Love the channel, by the way - subscribed.

@ThisIsPete 3 месяца назад

Interesting you brought up Populous in the "Tycoon" genre discussion. I remember back when SimCity first came out it was so new and unfamiliar to games critics that it ended up being referred to as a "God Game", a la Populous. Following that, games of that ilk tended to get lumped in with strategy games (which these days tend to be associated with combat-centric titles) before people recognising that "management sim" was its own distinct thing. It's regrettable that the "Tycoon" descriptor has, these days, become associated with mindless incremental/idle/microtransaction-rammed mobile/social games, because it used to be something of a prestigious badge of honour thanks to games like Railroad, Transport and Rollercoaster Tycoon. Unrelated: thumbs up for the Atari ST love from Dave. I've been rereading some old mags from just before the ST had widespread adoption, and it's thoroughly interesting to see the cautious optimism about it.

@tog2842 3 месяца назад

Epic Jingle, great show guys!

@linuxjedivideo 3 месяца назад

Ghostbusters Frozen Empire has a BBC Micro with an IBM monitor, looked a little odd.

@MarcKloos 3 месяца назад

So I noticed - those red function keys immediately caught my eye! Then again, the movie was mostly shot in the UK

@thetwistedsock3253 3 месяца назад

Good morning everyone. Dave - I bought the arcade1up star wars pinball last year for £300 new. It's scratched the pinball itch. It is modifiable, even in the simplest manner all thirty tables from arcade1up can be put on. It's not 4k by any means and the screen is smaller but it is good.

@KevinFields777 3 месяца назад

22:53 I saw this video a few weeks ago, and this is possibly the most beautiful thing I've ever seen created. Now you could use any computer system to create a retro Mac, or even a new shell for a classic Mac!

@dustintaub 3 месяца назад

Chris Sawyer is a hero to a lot of us game developers. A single developer putting together all the systems and simulations into a game back then seems like a monumental task. The fact that he wrote it in assembly blows my mind to this day.

@mikaelgyllner5622 3 месяца назад

Everyone on the bus home today heard David's housekeeping song sung enthusiastically by a 48 year old man =) Hope it pops up on Spotify, I need it!

@eugenekiselev 3 месяца назад

Thank you for a great episode, gentlemen ! and "Dave's Retro News Briefs" is a masterpiece ! Awesome and funny :) I Listened to it several time ...

@ilijatasev9660 2 месяца назад

Had to come back again for the song. Ultima, Amigaaa.... I'll shut up now.

@verdenmeldrum3642 3 месяца назад

Housekeeping jungle - perfect

@soulless_swede 3 месяца назад

Hey Dave, have you considered VR pinball? I own an AtGames Legends Pinball HD and have not used it even once after getting a Quest 3 VR headset. Pinball in VR is a revelation. The depth perception, and the ability to lean in close to look at all the details, is amazing. While there are plenty of controller options, making a box with the proper pinball width and putting it on pinball legs really elevates the experience. You can even put sensors in it for tilt detection, solenoids for haptics, etc.

@dataterminal 3 месяца назад

That's my go to for pinball. VR option is amazing even on Quest 2 headset.... and you get to play the rest of the VR games :)

@wonderdog8895 3 месяца назад

Mug ordered! (Along with a cheeky copy of ZX Nightmares... had to make the most of the fixed shipping cost right???) I completely agree about Commodore ended up being worse stewards of the Amiga than Atari/Tramiel would have been. I remember someone (Nostalgia Nerd maybe?) Did an alternate history video a while back.

@atm94404 3 месяца назад

Dave says that Computer Space machines are rarer and more fragile because they were made of fiberglass instead of wood like most cabinets. Quite the opposite is true. While there are more Pong machines (though most are bootleg machines), Computer Space machines are much more likely to have survived. They're more rare because the game was a flop and only had a small production run (the curse of being the first commercial video game). But there are many examples of barns stuffed full of dozens of old arcade machines, but by the time someone goes to rescue them, most if not all have rotted to piles wood fiber while the Computer Space still looks almost pristine. And since the thing has no computer chips, it's very easy to repair (no "Oh, no! This one chip that was only made for this one game has gone bad!"). The only thing that might need fixing is the off-the-shelf black-and-white tv- but even those aren't in short supply. Unless something physically fell on the machine, a rediscovered Computer Space has a high chance of being usable and brought back to near mint condition.

@ThisWeekinRetro 3 месяца назад

Fascinating! The wood thing is definitely true, there's an Arcade Archive video of a "raid" where you can see the cabinets literally collapsing from sustained water damage!

@jitmancanth6698 3 месяца назад

There's a Commodore PET in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. Hollywood was doing this 40 years ago. And you can hear a Spectrum Loader when the Klingon Bird of Prey travels through time in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.

@Lbf5677 3 месяца назад

It sounds like the spectrum loader but I think people tried to see what the data was, and it wasn't spectrum related. Dunno if it was related to the Timex?

@paulladdie1026 3 месяца назад

I'm 58 yrs old, and I played Dungeon Master on my 4MB Atari STFM, it was great, I still play RPG's on my PC including Skyrim. I also own 3 Commodore amigas with Pistorm's and Furia accelerators, Like you two, I'm a retro geek 🙂

@wishusknight3009 2 месяца назад

I saw the thumbnail and i thought, my goodness that Mac is huge.

@bombjack2413 3 месяца назад

That song was awesome. Very Steel Panther-esque but with a retro theme instead of smut! My retro comfort thing has to be Bomb Jack. Fire it up on the Switch quite regularly and if needing the original copyright infringing music, fire it up on Mame. It’s probably the first game I fell in love with and kickstarted my gaming obsession.

@binky4185 3 месяца назад

I'm loving the 80s cheese metal song - Daves Retro News Briefs - heck yeaaaaaahhhhhhh!

@janwiersma1449 3 месяца назад

the pet was on a shelf indeed. missing the complete front part keyboard unit with the curly cord. dangit i had that same pet back in the days. gave it to my now late neighbour because my father told me to get rid of some stuff. so for me seeing such a PET is pretty frustrating for me. does not make me happy seeing what they did clearing and cleaning the house out of the old neighbour when i came home of work. never saw that unit again. knowing he also had a functional rackmount PDP-11 "well mayby not the eleven" but i remember the lever switches and a handfull of teletypes with the punch ribbons. very emotional. yeah. it was that "porsche design" one but i had an original printer with it and as i remember it i had not the drives in the unit but a seperate double 5,25" drive bay in the same style ofcourse. cant remember the drives being in the machine case itself. do remember it popped open like a car hood tilting the top with the monitor backwards with a stand pole to keep it up and open during doeing inspection things. the commodore 64c missed it's back arrow key btw in the scene you just mentioned. and now i will shut up.

@catriona_drummond 3 месяца назад

I arrived at the Tycoon games coming from the bloodline of German management simulators like Oilimperium, The Patrician, The Planner, and many others that already were business simulations that got enhanced by the open world part. Patrician III is actually an attempt of attaching sort of a citybuilder/colony sim the the older business simulation aspect.

@Joliie 3 месяца назад

You can do it Dave.

@cpace123 3 месяца назад

Here is my Pinball tweak to exercise while using a the pinball table. Make the flippers correspond with foot peddles instead of side buttons. It would be pretty tiring though :)

@TheAtomicCrusher 3 месяца назад

John Wick had both the Vic-20 and the C64.. props only, no active power. Still, nice to see.

@BaumInventions 3 месяца назад

The Jingle sounds like SUNO :D . After making nearly 100 Tracks there i know Suno sounds when i hear them :P Its amazing Technology. Mindbending. Just wanted to say that :D Love the song

@tejp5101 3 месяца назад

Daddy Boat? Maybe Daddy Mulk? Not a huge fan of metal anymore but this was fantastic! Scorpions vibe.

@dingusbingus7463 3 месяца назад

On the topic of older computers and micros in tv/movies, only after starting to rewatch lost, i noticed the apple 2. I think since we started seeing them more in stuff we are noticing them more

@GarryGri 3 месяца назад

Railroad Tycoon just had too high a entry level and learning curve to keep my interest. I do remember putting a fair bit of time into Coaster Works on the Dreamcast, same with Theme Park on the PlayStation. My assembly language programming is limited to the Vectrex, VIC 20, and ATARI 2600 though. The old Apple Macintosh project looks very interesting (not called a Mac at that time 😉). I was thinking of trying this with a PC-98, although I don't have the skill to 3D print the case! For a second there I thought you were going to say he had replicated a DEC PDP-1, with computer space running.

@Joliie 3 месяца назад

In Halo without any spoilers, but they are with a collector who wants to preserve the history of earth, so Neil is in halo, kinda. It is really a well done series, imho.

@NorthWay_no 3 месяца назад

I heard "flair" and thought we'll soon have "hair" too...

@alanbarker2279 3 месяца назад

44:55 In that case F'em - off to the High Seas again - OooArr me hearties...

@jamessmith1652 3 месяца назад

I think Dave is searching for the term library or framework (API is just a communication endpoint that can be called on).

@ThisWeekinRetro 3 месяца назад

Thank you! (Dave)

@delboy3k1 3 месяца назад

The pinball table is 32 inch 4k with 2 other hi def monitors at the top. The lag is the left flipper, which is being worked on. It can also play horizontal shootemups making it quite versatile, but yeah £2k is pricey lol one to watch though. My joy this week is the Rob hubbard book from c64audio. What a great book with lots if added media thrown in. Excelsior guys

@MarcKloos 3 месяца назад

I think the lag is on both flippers.

@delboy3k1 3 месяца назад

@MarcKloos agreed. Could be but it was the left flipper that was prominently demonstrated. I'm sure it will be fixed :-)

@ThisWeekinRetro 3 месяца назад

I feel that 2k is too much to spend on a device that isn't great. But if it is great then it's worth it. I have lots of research to do! (Dave)

@delboy3k1 3 месяца назад

@ThisWeekinRetro totally agree. A crippled table is useless. After going to pinfest and looking at many actual tables and virtual tables, I think it's an exciting future for the gener. And playing vertical shootemups as well, then it's even more desirable. 2k though ! Yeah you need dedication for that, and yet in the past I bought pc towers near that cost lol

@RandallHayter 3 месяца назад

Great show as always! Where does the term “ronan” come from (or maybe ronin)? Is this show-style English or more common?

@ThisWeekinRetro 3 месяца назад

I'll ask Neil to explain for next show! (Dave)

@SimonJackson13 3 месяца назад

Big hair metal?

@janwiersma1449 3 месяца назад

46:43 or a full size amiga from RetroGamesLTD with aprox RPI5 specs to run wipe-out. guess thats gonna cost more then 120 euro's. LOL

@janwiersma1449 3 месяца назад

those Virtuality machines where runnin on A3000's werent they?

@gsestream 3 месяца назад

why not

@espressomatic 3 месяца назад

API is the right word, but most of what's done today doesn't use OS API's directly for much of the hard lifting. Instead developers are using Frameworks made by others which handles all the difficult tasks and call the APIs. So ya, bloat is crazy, and not just in gaming. Today, a "Hello World" is 200MB instead of 200 bytes.

@lasskinn474 3 месяца назад

can the atgames thing be modded to run pinmame?

@atomnetton 3 месяца назад

The cruel irony of a hair metal intro to Daves Retro Briefs though. I'll shut up now. ultima.

@imnickleonard 3 месяца назад

Those museums are just awful hahaha remember them well from school trips. Dorch?

@ThisWeekinRetro 3 месяца назад

You got it! some of the displays were Amiga 500's running AMOS :D - Neil

@3dmaster205 3 месяца назад

Is there a link to just the song?

@ThisWeekinRetro 3 месяца назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qmcPw1zGtGE.html

@chriswalsh3149 3 месяца назад

STOP RONANING PEOPLE! HAVE MERCY!

@terrencek7881 2 месяца назад

*Promosm* 🎊

@comradeinternet467 3 месяца назад

If y'all are gonna do anything touching on politics, might I suggest going on The Deprogram as guests? Its a decent show with nice hosts, and all their humour exclusively punches upwards.