Your awakening will never fit THEIR mold, here's why. 

“The great way is gateless, approached in a thousand ways. Once past the checkpoint you stride through the universe.” - Wumen (Zen monk)

There’s such a beauty in each person following and trusting their own unique thread(s). It’s almost a relief to learn my experiences “count” and that I am, in fact, doing it right. Right for me. Much love to you all ❤

Just started listening, Zubin, but want to say I’m grateful you’re addressing this. Yesterday I wrote a note to Angelo thanking him for all his pointing and inspiration, but saying I needed to bow out of my subscription and membership in his channel, because of an increasing dissonance between his style of teaching and my direct experience. I had told him previously that I feel like he, and those in his lineage, are turning this into yet another “way,” another form, another Zen. To me, even (and perhaps essentially) the term “awakening” has become distorted, if not corrupted. Just one more thing to aspire to, as we endlessly find ways to deny the immediately of our own experience. I look forward to listening to the rest of us, and I’m grateful To you for expressing it. 🙏🏼🔥🌻

Thank you so much for speaking about this. Its very useful for people❤❤❤I loved this. This is my view of this topic too.🙏

Holy shit, Zubin, this is what I needed to hear. I’ve been listening/watching video after video of Angelo’s and they are just not hitting home. Whereas your videos touch me. In fact, in March the algorithm fed me one of your live streams after having not watched a video of yours in months. The next morning I woke up after an uncharacteristically sound sleep and experienced no thought for approximately 3 seconds. After that, I knew it was time to pursue this, but as I said Anglo hasn’t been helpful (obviously not his fault!) I keep reminding myself of the saying I heard almost 30 years ago in an Asian religions class, which struck me at the time: “If you meet the Buddha in the road, kill him.” Anyway, the trauma/ subconscious thread speaks to me. It fits the experiences I’ve been having in the past few months.

So spot on. I have felt this way for a while now. Thank you for putting it into words. ❤

This was such a beautiful video that I am crying! I mean I cry at everything these days but having experienced so much of all of this throughout whatever this is, I really felt it! I do want to add that I do think talking about stages is maybe helpful to kind of know where you might be, this is not a linear path at all. Even the threads of what I am feeling come and go although oddly when I talk to the tribe or join in group sessions, there's often common experiences happening at the same time. It truly is a very individual experience.

Zubin THANK YOU for this! I needed this so much today. Was starting to feel like I am going crazy and frustrated listening to all the maps.

As my teacher Hareesh Wallis likes to say, we are all threads in the infinite tapestry that is Consciousness.

I agree. My experience has been different to everyone online, but I know deeply that I am following the truth, as I know this intuitively. It took me about a year of being on this path to finally stop doubting myself 24/7 and needing videos from "awakened people" or "non-dual teachers" as confirmations. I barely even watch non-duality videos anymore, because first-hand experience has shown me that the most direct answers are already within my own awareness. I still enjoy non-dual videos for pointers and different perspectives though :) there's no "should's" or "shouldn'ts" in reality. Trust yourself, it's the only thing to trust :)

It does make you feel like you're not getting it- thanks, this helps!

I have enjoyed seeing your personal growth and development

Thank you ZDogg! Many years of spiritual seeking here. This really helps to just relax and let go and be available to whatever is unfolding.

Oh thank you for saying this, everyone has their own unique experience. I learned this when creating a way to sit in reiki energy using a combination of crystals, not one person had the exact same thing happen to them and that was so wonderful to observe. The crystals helped where it was needed and if it was solved the energy moved to the next need.

' z dog' popped into my head when i woke up this morning . So i clicked on you tube and watched first video. Just what i needed to hear right now. My joirney is intense , brutal kundilini activity ongoing about 7 years now. Seems never ending and doesnt match with so many other speakers . Deep down i know its coz ive got so much junk to clear out. But nice to hear this talk . Thanks z dog

I'm so glad you are doing these videos. I watched a video where you described your awakening process and the inquiry question hit me so hard, I woke up the next morning already apparently in inquiry on it. I went all the way down, stripping away everything until I was nothing and then somehow also realized that meant I was everything. I have felt this very strong pull toward exactly what you talk about to start this video, there being no "Doer" and nothing is happening. I feel like this is me getting sucked into what Angelo calls one pointedness, and I am trying not to overthink anything. But I also have Aspberger's and am prone to over-education and analysis. So I'm grateful that you point out that there are so many ways to pursue this. I don't want to fall into the trap of questioning whether I'm doing it "right" and follow my intuition when I feel it.

That was so great, exactly what I needed to hear!!

I had dozens of threads. This is such an excellent video. All is.... That's what it all came to for "Me". Oneness. God's love. Majestic entities. Christ. Nature. Pain and hatred. And the chaos strand where you realize you can literally do anything and suffer anything and none of it matters and you're liberated from consequence. Love these videos of yours. You're amazing.

Amen! I’ve been frustrated lately by this because I’m not unfolding in the way others are saying I should and yet knowing that my suffering is lessening by following the thread I’m seemingly on. Yet not attached to a certain thread and willing to jump threads when the time is ripe. The Finders work has really made this clear to me.

Beautifully said. And great timing!

Zubin this is a fucking relief! Thank you for sharing this today and opening it all up. Every thing is perfect.

This was a really good way to frame up the universality of paths to awakening. It never made sense that there could be only one way (or language or religion or story) to explain the unexplainable- and only one algorithm for coming to know it. Thanks for continuing to be the amazing communicator that you are!!!☮️❤️

I have walked amongst the spaces of others' travels, and I have learned from each, and yet, my expression is designed for its own unique experiences. I have found valuable counterparts, myself, and all that is living and intersecting effortlessly for me to experience, share, acknowledge, and allow. The human expression is the verbal observer and its words create, its thoughts muster more words, and the possible has its moment to display.

This was exactly what I needed to hear. Many thanks :)

This video was an exact synchronicity answering the ineffable contemplations of my soul, and the various aspects of my own awakening. It hit deep! Thanks Zubin!

Thank you Z! Just what I needed!

Years ago I had the emptiness awakening. 12 years ago I’ve had the LOVE awakening. Now I’ve gone through the emotional awakening and am curious about what this means for me. I’m ready to read about your suggestion and hope to understand where I go from here

Thanks for the reminder that my ‘way’ is my journey and it is perfect. Time and ‘expectations’ are simply artificial constraints ☮️

Thanks man I really related to this

in the west we like to pretend that we are about individualism but the reality is that the individuality the west sells is just cookie cutter prepackaged nonsense that makes people think that individuality is simple when it is not which then in turn scares people into not wanting to deal with any complexity which sucks because your supposed to figure yourself out with all your complexities and with that in turn you can begin to figure out others in their complexities but too many have fallen for simplistic models that never allows them to be what they are supposed to be right down to what you believe hopefully people can watch this video and actually break free at least to some extent

Absolutely love it, just love it, so so important to hear for anyone on this path 🙏💛💛💛

Thanks man. I've experienced what seems to be none of the "threads" you describe, yet at the same time, hearing "that's perfectly fine" is exactly what's needed. Angelo played his part when he needed to. Other teachers have as well. Or random internet people, or whatever. You have as well.

Thanks. I was lost and you helped me.

I’m feeling overwhelmed at this point. There’s so much content out there. I feel doubt and contraction at this point. I’m going back to simple, natural meditation and maybe some inquiry. Inquiry doesn’t seem to do much for me. I need to relax

This is wonderful

Great video, Z! Thank you! 🙏

That was very helpful! Thank you

very interesting, and havent really heard this take before. ty.

I watched this again today. Thank you so much Z!!! ❤❤❤

Every step one takes in life is a valid experience! Even when it may all lead to an absolute purity in which nothing perceivable seems to exist!

Each Awakening is personal. I have been studying for years

Amazing, and very telling, to see the immense outpouring of relief in the responses here to your video. Well done!

Trust your heart and how you feel. Right now, the energy is finally shifting to personal freedom. Love for all things, and regardless of those who are still shutdown and are not open chose to come to this lifetime to be who they are.

I needed to hear this today. Thank you.

Love you so much for being you. Thank you. 4 years post awakening and it’s always emotion work that’s still clearing out. It’s fine though and quite beautiful how the self wants to heal itself. BMT nurse here, silly identify.

This is an excellent commentary on what is often a confusing and frustrating rabbit trail. One could spend one's life chasing after spiritual fireflies instead of enjoying the beauty of one's unique unfolding experience.

You are great!

Violet had a really nice interview 2-3 days ago in which she talked about her awakening experiences. As I commented there, especially for those who are not yet awake, the biggest takeaway is that there is no "right" way to awaken. Every nervous system is unique. The same goes for further shifts. What's true for everyone: It's funny as hell once you get it. (Even if it doesn't seem like it.) 🙂🙂

I needed this

I’m glad you put it out. Thank you.

It’s a fixing fact!

I like this conversation. 🤔😏🤗

Thank you zdogg

I just went through some stuff that put me through the wringer. I feel like I cant remember what awakening feels like. I just know its a truth that feels out of reach. I want to fight for that version of me to come back but I cant. This is worse than never have awakening. I know truth but the harder I fight to get back to what I know the further away it gets

I appreciate you so much

Glad you put it out 🙏

Dr Z, so nice to see you looking so happy!

In a more theoretical vein: most of the world's spiritual "maps" come from groups of dedicated spiritual practitioners drawn from relatively homogeneous and culturally stable societies. It seems to me that a map that might correspond to the experience of most, say, Theravadan monks in pre-colonial Sri Lanka might only occasionally correspond to the experience of spiritually inclined people from different walks of life in, say, Chicago. Or, ditto, Cistercian monks in medieval France (or in mid-20th-century Kentucky?) Or to the experience of those monks' mothers and sisters. That is, it seems to me that the psycho-socio (economic, linguistic, gender, etc) constructs *shared* by the members of the groups responsible for our spiritual maps *set up* the members of those groups to be disposed towards one or more specific threads and recognizable stages. And, that our variegated and chaotic culture(s) does/do not predispose us towards any such similarity of experience. Or put it another way: stages along "the" spiritual path are not only evidences of spiritual development but also by-products of the surrounding society--somewhat as our reactions to covid are shaped not only by the characteristics of the disease but also by powerful societal forces.

Human has one life,one soul to live here on earth that God gave as life. Human must to take care their life physical & spiritual. Human need fud & shelters in thier daily life all things human need to do for them self always make balance in any angles life situation situation for better life... Human has a souls all they need to do to is feed their souls with indeeds prayers that come from the heart💖not come from the mouth👄 that always need to connect with God. Human must do gud things ,feed our souls with sincerely prayers here on earth, trust & have deep faith with God once we do this things in time of our final judgement ⚖️ to face God at least we are not afraid to face him & coz we become a gud sons & daughters of God, feeding our souls of prayers have a chance to safe our souls from mortal sins.. Human not perfect holy BUT human must try to become holy .. ( LAHAT TAYO HINDI BANAL "SUBALIT" KAILANGAN NATIN MAG PAKA BANAL PARA SA ATING KALIGTASAN NG ATING KALULUWA ). FOR THE SAFE OF OUR SOULS... WITH OUT GOD WHERE NOTHING HERE ON EARTH.🌍. BLESSED DAY EACH & EVERYONE.MORE POWER TO PROGRAM 😊

I almost thought garbage, but no, this was very helpful in several aspects of my current awarenesses.

Such a honest realization. I’m grateful you posted this. I’ve struggled with notion only one path…. My experience and intuition have told me otherwise. Thank You

Interesting vid. I like it, a little bit. Good critical and supportive angle for seekers. That’s nice. Can’t stand your repetitive smiling and giggly positivity though. It’s jars with, for one, the fact that tens of millions of animals are slaughtered around the world every hour. I bet not one of them wants it. You can tell because they scream and fight wild eyed when they know it’s happening. And you call that love!

Five mustaches!

Thank you for putting this out there! Exactly what I needed this morning

So many voice, noise now a day online especially the health...info, what, how to be healthier etc. Hope ppl wise, smart, know the authentic, legitimate info, tips, knowledge even from certified professional. Yes even medical we know text book is just a basics, guide but clinical experiences is key ... same for life and other professionals, categories. Agree we each are unique and that is why more than 1 med for same disease. Some beauty products, supplements etc fit some and not to others.

Well said 👏 I've had a lot of 'mentors' project on me based on their experience. I've had to learn to discern, which I guess is a blessing because it has helped strengthen my intuition 🤷‍♀️✨️

I definitely agree with the message here that there are flaws assuming any given model is going to be your experience, and this thread model seems to fit that better. However, I think something like the thread model still has its drawbacks. For example, threads suggests some sort of linearity to each thread with clear pathways, and that they are mutually exclusively. Not saying that’s what the thread model is actually about, but the idea of threads suggests those characteristics to me. It’s also becoming increasingly clear to me that teachers/facilitators typically speak based off their own journeys, interpretations, and however they were mentored. And many of them discount the ways other teachers/facilitators approach this. It feels like some loose patterns of how all this unfolds can be drawn based off different people’s experiences, but it also feels like there are no clear rules to any of this. Sometimes when I’m being honest with myself, it’s not even clear what aspects of my own actions are revealing this emptiness, or if it’s simply revealing itself. It’s essentially trying to determine causality from correlations. Any who, great video! :)

Amen brother

At 2:19 you mention ancestor speak. Then at 12:23 you mention ancestor memories. At 18:09 you refer to an inner ancestor experience. Could you do a video on this topic? Over the last couple of years I've felt a sort of profound connection at times to a great uncle I barely knew. It's an experience that I can't really put into words. It's almost as if he's somehow trying to guide me in some way, but even that's not descriptive of the experience. I thought this was just some sort of random mind game, but after watching this, it must be something others go through as well. Would love to hear more about this.

Love your words ZdoggMd. It is so good to respect the connection to all variety of approaches experienced on the spiritual journey. Much ❤ and blessings to you

What if the threads were a trap, like a spider web? What if the mind is way more advanced than we think and traps you in self-consuming non-duality concepts? What if it has you thinking you are broken and need to be fixed before you can reach some higher level of enlightenment? It is like living in the Garden of Eden desiring abundant life only to walk past the Tree of Life to eat from the Tree of Knowledge.

Yes all of these threads show up in varying degrees at different times, and gradually yield to, or dissolve into, each other as the unseen script dictates. So amazing, weird, wretched, glorious, peaceful, silent, diaphanous, and deep. I noticed the same thing, that one thread would be prominent for a while, then gradually dissolve into emptiness or another thread. Finally it's realized that none of the threads go away, that they all meld together effortlessly and indescribably until there is only the ever-melting Isness. 🤪

Good talk. I had reached this idea myself a while back, I was seeing it more as streams instead of threads. Such a rich and varied way for consciousness to experience. The concepts, labels, stages are useful for the mind but when it comes to experience, bin them! You have to trust your intuition and the intelligence driving the process.

This is lovely, and very much the perspective that we follow at The Spiritual Care Fund. Thanks for alerting us to these thinkers.

I was just realizing that it's now been over 25 years since I had similar blowout awakenings to what you were talking about, It has unfolded over the years, sometimes mostly in the background, but the threads continue. I'm happy to hear what you are saying here, I wish that number one. I had someone to describe that to me at the time , and number two that I had had someone compassionately meet me exactly where I was.

Incredibly supportive. Laughter and crying as you spoke.

Damn, dude. Thanks for the meta-map. This is incredibly helpful

I have nothing to say. I am only commenting to boost the algorithm and help reach more people!! 😉 but the further I go, the less I have to say about it, the less I want to read about it, I just want to live my own truth my own way. No judgment to anyone for their path 🥰

Great video and something I needed to hear. I'm always trying to compare my experience to what's said in videos and I definitely let myself stress over the differences.

Thank to so much,don't know which thread I am in, but, it helped hearing this I hope it helps somoene else.

the politics thread intertwines so beautifully with all the others………

Brilliant Zubin! So helpful. Thank you! 🙏

My first encounter with this channel: lovely!

perception of realization is as unique as the person!

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If you truly want truth go ask the ANT!

Uh great video, really nice

Thanks. Helpful.

So good! Thank you!

You might like this: Joseph Everett. Hardcore Meditation Permanently changed his Brain | Daniel Ingram. March 16, 2024 (recorded Nov 9, 2021). Daniel Ingram, MD addresses some of the variations which has gone into in more detail in a book he wrote. See also, Vedantic Self and Buddhist Non-Self | Swami Sarvapriyananda. June 2, 2023.

Thank you 🙏🏻

Not going to lie, I watched you when you were doing COVID videos and speaking medically (fellow doctor). Kinda fell off after COVID and watch your videos off and on. Just started this one....what the bloody hell are you talking about. You do you man, but this literally sounds unhinged. If a patient walked into the ER like this he'd be sedated.

Helpful 🙏

Right on, brother in baldness. 😂 Dr Willoughby Britton has done some really incredible work categorizing and defining some of these states, paths, and destinations, as it were. One thing I've concluded from her work is that meditating/self-inquiry techniques do not all point people to the same destination experientially. Make sure to check what your interest in awakening/enlightenment really is, and then look to see that the technique matches your goal! If you want to be in the world, and have a job, and a family, perhaps a spiritual tradition where all the fully developed teachers/practitioners are solitary monks living in caves is not for you!

"But all I feel is unconditional divine love... so what's wrong with me?" Lol, I wish I had that problem

Thank you for posting this! Perfect timing as these messages usually are. Truly grateful, thanks brother!

Stand for nothing believe in anything. Doesn't work to just pull aspects I like from a range of beliefs.

It's thrilling to see other people discover this! It's been crucial to my relaxation process.

Sound like an acid trip to me. I choose the energy thread. Ancestor memories? That’s a new one on me. The tapestry of life! I don’t watch utubers. What is real. I have to go to the bathroom.

Z, the solution is the problem, and people that reach for perfectionism and self actualization become miserable because they are unnatural requirements in western society that don't gel with human nature.