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The Netherland's FAMOUS double-deck train has THIS big problem...​ 

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Today, we'll be taking a look at the famous Dutch VIRM train, to see if this train live up to its international hype!
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Journey Details:
Origin: Amsterdam Centraal
Destination: Rotterdam Centraal
Company: Nederlandse Spoorwegen (NS)
Train: NS 9500 'VIRM'
Accommodation: First Class Seat (1st)
Distance: 85 kilometres / 53 miles
Price: €28.22 (£23.80 / $29.70)
Time: 1 hour 13 minutes, arrived 1 minute early
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@enigmadrath1780
@enigmadrath1780 Год назад
Dutchie here. What you're really paying for when you buy 1st class tickets is the guarantee that you'll be seated in a section that isn't overcrowded during rush hours 😂 Otherwise there really isn't that much of an upgrade between 1st and 2nd class.
@lorenzo123yes
@lorenzo123yes 11 месяцев назад
Nowadays at peak times not even 1st class can guarantee you a seat…
@pinobluevogel6458
@pinobluevogel6458 11 месяцев назад
@@lorenzo123yes This is due to not using enough material. The trains have become shorter, even at peak hours and on peak lines. As a recent example, with a normal scheduled international (DB) train coming from Berlin Hbf (running to Amsterdam CS) which was (as normal) packed to the brim with passengers the whole length, 6 full train sets, a small set with a restaurant and a bicycle set (with 2/3 passenger sets as well). At the junction where the passengers can hop onto the train heading to other main stops (Den Haag / Rotterdam), there was a 1 train set, single deck train waiting to take on close to 800 passengers. Needles to say, there wasn't enough to room to even stand, let alone take all these passengers. NS has become a joke of a railroad company, which has been in decline ever since it was privatized. The service has been completely degrading in all catagories, they are more often late, or don't run at all, the trains are dirty, the wifi is extremely slow and there is barely any personell working the train or the stations, so it is extremely hard to get any information. Meanwhile ticket prices have increased over time, to the point that it is now a luxury product and no longer an affordable travel method for ordinary people. If there is even the slightest of snowfall, or some leaves from autumn trees, the train often just doesn't run To be fair, despite the lack of staff working at NS, the ones that do work there are generally friendly, helpful and positive, despite their pay being somewhat low. I guess the people that really want to work in the company are the main ones that are left.
@AndreBense
@AndreBense 11 месяцев назад
When there's a seriousl rush hours crowd, people will just sit in first class regardless of if they're allowed to. Conductors do not check tickets when it's too crowded for obvious reasons.
@lorenzo123yes
@lorenzo123yes 11 месяцев назад
@@AndreBense man conductors can't check because there is no space to get to you in the first place haha
@oilme128
@oilme128 11 месяцев назад
I do sometimes pay for first class if I have a long ride, and outside of peak hours it’s actually pretty nice. You always have a wall plug for your laptop/iPad, you can adjust the back rest of the seat, and you are way less likely to sit between people playing music, people making loud phone calls or other weirdo’s. Most other people that sit in first class are pretty quiet and well behaved. It’s also less busy in general, so no one sits next to you and you have both seats for yourself.
@MatthieuDeW
@MatthieuDeW Год назад
One of the reasons why most NS trains don't meet the expected sanitary standards as of late is lack of personnel. Last I checked the company was looking for at least 20,000 new staff members, mostly stewards and cleaning personnel.
@mancubwwa
@mancubwwa Год назад
I've traveled on one of these a decade ago and it was filthy back than. So it's not a new problem.
@Neville60001
@Neville60001 Год назад
@@mancubwwa, and yet, people want to *_love_* to blast Amtrak and VIA Rail.🙄 At least both Amtrak and VIA keep their trains clean.
@justachannel8642
@justachannel8642 Год назад
And if they get personnel, they usually don't get paid well
@mancubwwa
@mancubwwa Год назад
@@Neville60001 the problem with Amtrak is that outside northeast corrridor it's always late and offers barebones service. The fact that it gets one thing right doesn't get it off the hook. NS maybe dirty, but it offers frequent and punctual service. That said, compared to Belgian Railways it's sucks.
@Neville60001
@Neville60001 Год назад
@@mancubwwa, I really _don't_ give a shit about how late either of them (Amtrak & VIA Rail) are; all that matters in this instance is that the trains of both services are clean. Both of these services are negatively compared to NS for problems that have a lot to do with how (frankly) big both the U.S. and Canada are, the fact that people prefer to drive rather than take the train (for reasons known to them, and not just to be blasted because they've chosen that particular mode of transport which isn't 'cool' or 'proper' for them to do so,, _despite_ car/truck/vans/buses becoming electric) and because, even _if_ they were 'improved' to European and Souththeast Asian standards, they'd still be blasted anyway. Do they have their flaws? Yes, because nothing is perfect, but for what service they both _do_ provide, people are satisfied (and the service for Amtrak is getting better as a result of President Biden's infrastrure bill, plus Amtrak's getting new trains to replace the current ones) and what's more, they're _clean_ , the most important thing _even if they're not as fast as European, Scandinavian, or Southeast Asian ones_ . NS _may_ be amazing, but compared to any of the train services here in North America, it's wallowing in filth.
@keizervanenerc5180
@keizervanenerc5180 Год назад
A shame you got the old dirty original '90s version instead of a cleaner and more modernized refurbished. It's unlucky too. Most VIRMs are refurbished by now.
@keizervanenerc5180
@keizervanenerc5180 Год назад
To clarify, VIRM 4 is indeed the newest VIRM but all older models have already been refurbished in the mid 2010's leaving the VIRM 4 as the oldest and dirtiest of the VIRM family. The refurbished versions have different seats and completely modernised toilets.
@NovaLeeft
@NovaLeeft Год назад
@@keizervanenerc5180 well not entirely true tbh. the VIRMm1 entered service in 2016, with the last kind of modernised VIRM (VIRMm2/3) not even fully finished yet. But otherwise yeah ur right they are better
@AL5520
@AL5520 Год назад
An older train does not mean a dirty train. You can clean the window, seats, floor, toilet and graffiti on any train, regardless of it's age. Newer or refurbished models might be nicer, more comfortable or better designed but all trains should be clean and well maintained.
@janbaukespoelstra6839
@janbaukespoelstra6839 Год назад
Dirty ?😂😂😂
@thewatcher_476
@thewatcher_476 Год назад
these ones are much more comfortable than the flow ones stuff imo
@MartinIbert
@MartinIbert Год назад
The "soap powder dispenser" is actually a soap mill. You have to turn it by hand to shave off soap from a solid bar of soap inside, so you need a lot of turns to get a meaningful amount of soap. Provided that there actually is a soap bar in there of course. Outside of trains (some German trains have them, too), the last time I saw soap mills was in primary/elementary school, back in the Seventies.
@florianmeier3186
@florianmeier3186 Год назад
They are quite common in Central European trains - not so much in Germans anymore and in principle they work rather well.
@natehill8069
@natehill8069 Год назад
Wow, I had forgotten those existed.
@florianmeier3186
@florianmeier3186 Год назад
Often still in night trains or other old compartment trains from 1970-1980s like old IC/ECs. Newer ones often have liquid soap like ICE/Railjet. The system is not that bad as you need not much soap and it can be easily stored. As you only have to touch the little spokes, I guess it is also rather OK in terms of hygienic standards and rather robust compared to pumping systems with pipes and hoses.@@natehill8069
@dkpqzm
@dkpqzm Год назад
They still make those? I haven't seen those since elementary school in the sixties
@peterparker219
@peterparker219 Год назад
I think they're a pre-WW2 invention probably inspired by a pepper mill, but they're sturdy, easy to use and cheap to operate.
@siem8254
@siem8254 Год назад
yea this is pretty much how i expected this review to go, i ride the virm almost everday. the trains are find to get to work and back. the seat are nice. the luggage issue is quit known. esspecially on the trains to and form Schiphol, there is just no where to go with a big suitcase. and the dirtyness is also sometimes annoying. the NS has been struggeling with this for a while and it has got a lot worst during and after corona. during rush hour these rains can be supidly full.
@nibuanad
@nibuanad Год назад
As for the luggage issue, in my experience almost everyone with luggage seems to completely ignore or fail to notice the plentiful space between seat backs in compartments with bays of 4. (Upstairs on unrefurbished models, downstairs on refurbished ones.) The refurbished models also have a luggage rack next to the stairs on the upper deck - which I barely see being used either - so all decks have dedicated luggage space.
@siem8254
@siem8254 Год назад
@@nibuanad that is true. I also believe big part of the travels with huge luggage aren't regular train travels. More and more are just tourists and Dutchies who dont want to park at schiphol (Wich is logical) almost all chose to sit on the lower Deck. I personally believe NS should help these people and indicate these luggage places better. This problem has been around for years.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios Год назад
Sounds like a pretty typical close range city to city train. Not perfect, but pretty good for the job.
@branding01
@branding01 Год назад
in rush hour these are like sardine-cans. terrible.
@caveymon
@caveymon Год назад
@@branding01 in rush hour EVERY train is like a sardine-can in the Netherlands. Especially in de Randstad :D Not just these. The other doubledeckers are worse imho. (DD-AR, DDZ series)
@BuzzinsPetRock78
@BuzzinsPetRock78 11 месяцев назад
A few things (as a Dutchy) - These trains have been overhauled, and unless I am mistaken, you travelled on a train that wasn't overhauled yet (the striping on the outside is different). - Fun fact: In the original versions of these trains, there used to be a trolley service that sold drinks and snacks, to accommodate this there was a small lift in between the stairs going up and down from the balcony area (where you get in). As the trolley service wasn't a success, they cancelled it and the lifts were removed in the newer designs. - As others have pointed out: It's Laan van Nieuw-Oost Indië not Oosteinde (noi would not make sense then) - I personally have never travelled first class on any Dutch trains for the simple reason that the extra price isn't worth it. Most people I know will only ever travel first class if they can get their employer to pay for it. - There is also another type of double decker train in use (DDZ), that were originally mostly used for stopper services. (they have all been overhauled as well) - The times listed on the platform boards are always departure times, not arrival times, don't let those fool you into thinking your train arrived early :) (It might have done, but you'll have to look it up in the official time tables) - The toilets aren't usually this bad, at least not on the lines I would travel....but the overall hygiene is a problem as usually the turn around for trains is very short.
@jacques7799
@jacques7799 11 месяцев назад
At the time of the trolley service, there was hardly any food or drink at the stations to take away. That changed (in the second half of the nineties?) Kiosk (one of the first I think), Smullers, etc.Then the trolley service experienced a sudden death.
@thimovijfschaft3271
@thimovijfschaft3271 10 месяцев назад
Yeah the newer trains have much better and cleaner toilets
@cyrilio
@cyrilio 9 месяцев назад
There where lifts!? TIL
@BuzzinsPetRock78
@BuzzinsPetRock78 9 месяцев назад
@@cyrilio yes, but only large enough for the trolley, not humans 😅
@TheSuperappelflap
@TheSuperappelflap 8 месяцев назад
It depends on the line you take. I rarely have filthy train compartments. But, traveling from Amsterdam to Rotterdam, well, both those cities happen to have a lot of football fans, and they tend to drink too much and make a mess after the games. I was unfortunate enough to have to take the last train home from Rotterdam after working an evening shift for a while and it was quite an experience.
@amrastheluckywoof5524
@amrastheluckywoof5524 Год назад
If multi-level stations impress you, you should visit Antwerp. The station has 3 levels with tracks, and at street level, there's a gallery with shops. And of course, the station building is one of the most beautiful in the world.
@TwoWholeWorms
@TwoWholeWorms Год назад
Antwerp Central is a cathedral to transport, and an astonishing feat of engineering.
@amrastheluckywoof5524
@amrastheluckywoof5524 Год назад
@@TwoWholeWorms I know. And I'm proud to call the "railroad cathedral" my home station. Every workday I start my day there. I'm a train driver.
@yagi3925
@yagi3925 Год назад
@@TwoWholeWorms It was built when Belgium was an economic, and in particular an industrial, super power.
@cooltwittertag
@cooltwittertag Год назад
@@yagi3925 belgium was never a superpower, but looking at the construction time it was probably built using the blood money from the most brutal colony in world history, so i wouldn't be so proud of that :)
@dp0456
@dp0456 Год назад
Or Berlin Hbf
@Mr.Nobody023
@Mr.Nobody023 Год назад
Just some information. The current Haarlem station is actually the third station that was build in Haarlem and opened in 1908. The first station was build in 1839 at the place where the big maintenance workshop is before the bridge over the river. And the station in Den Haag is called Laan van Nieuw Oost-Indië, not Oosteinde (that was the old name)
@cheeta92
@cheeta92 Год назад
The street the track cross is called Laan van Nieuw Oost-Indië in The Hague (right hand side from Leiden) but Oosteinde in Voorburg (left hand side of the station).
@kaelon9170
@kaelon9170 Год назад
While true that the current station building was opened in 1908, the station as a whole has been at the current site since 1842. In 1908 the old station building from 1842 was demolished and replaced with the current station building, and a canopy was built over the tracks. But the platforms remained relatively unchanged and have been there since 1842. Except for platform 8 which was added in 1953.
@RunawayTrain2502
@RunawayTrain2502 Год назад
"Laan van Nieuw Oost-Indië" means "Avenue of the New East-Indies".
@joopjansen9102
@joopjansen9102 Год назад
FYI: Den Haag HS means Den Haag Hollands Spoor, Den Haag's oldest station, built in 1843.
@maozedong44
@maozedong44 Год назад
@@joopjansen9102 The Dude completely ignored that beautiful station :(
@martijn_sch
@martijn_sch Год назад
There are a few remarks on this video: - Nowadays you can acces the station using your debit or credit card. When checking out with the same card, the travel fare will be debited from your card at the end of the day. This system called OVpay can be used all over the country on all public transport. - Almost all VIRM trains are refurbished, this is an old one wich is not refurbished yet. The new one is definetly better. - The first station in Den Haag (Laan van NOI) its name is actually: Den Haag Laan van Nieuw Oost-Indië ('Avenue of the New East Indies') - The other station in Den Haag (HS) its name is actually: Den Haag Hollands Spoor, wich got its name from a former railway company merged in to NS.
@racingweirdo
@racingweirdo Год назад
None of the gen 4 is refurbisch
@mattjware
@mattjware Год назад
So you can use touchless/tap to pay with intercity trains? Thanks, I have been trying to plan a journey and couldn't find clear information about whether you cou.d
@MeneerEnMevrouwTrein
@MeneerEnMevrouwTrein Год назад
OVpay only works for 2nd class.
@crytocc
@crytocc Год назад
@@mattjware It should actually work for _almost_ all public transit in the Netherlands now; to my knowledge, various 'buurtbussen' (small volunteer-operated buses in regular service) are the only ones where it isn't possible yet, and there it should be implemented later this year.
@barvdw
@barvdw Год назад
​@@MeneerEnMevrouwTreinthat's a shame. Are you aware of any plans to allow for adding this possibility, same as on the OV-chipkaart (with a dedicated post on the platform to activate 1st class)?
@Me1le
@Me1le Год назад
Great video, great pronunciation and great info. I do feel the urge to correct you on Den Haag. It is true this is the seat of both government and parliament and this can be confusing as it is not a capital city (not even a shared or a secondary one). There is only one capital city and this is Amsterdam as defined by the Dutch constitution.
@evo3s75
@evo3s75 Год назад
Hij bedoelt waarschijnlijk hoofdstad van de provincie Zuid Holland, wat Den Haag is. Je hebt een landelijke hoofdstad, dat is Amsterdam. Maar dan heb je ook hoofdsteden van provincies, en de hoofdstad van Noord Holland is Haarlem
@Me1le
@Me1le Год назад
@@evo3s75 Dit is waar, maar ik denk eerder dat het komt door de zetel van de regering ik heb vaker met mensen in het buitenland gesproken die dit vreemd vinden (en de Nederlandse situatie is ook vrij uniek). In bijna alle landen is de hoofdstad de stad waar de politieke macht zit. Nederland is anders want de hoofdstad staat gedoneerd in de Grondwet. (In een stuk over de beëdiging van de koning) Had deze bijzijn niet in de Grondwet gestaan, dan was den Haag naar alle waarschijnlijkheid de hoofdstad geweest
@heroicnonsense
@heroicnonsense Год назад
In most countries, the capitol is the seat of government. Not so in the Netherlands, where The Hague seats the government and Amsterdam... well... mostly attracts tourists. It's an odd construction, mostly to do with Napoleon who appointed Amsterdam as the capitol in 1806 when he formed the Kingdom (and appointed his brother as king). Before 1806, in fact all the way back to the 14th century, The Hague was capitol of the state of Holland and later the default meeting place of the representatives of the united Dutch states and later the de facto capitol of the republic of The Netherlands (although, officially, the republic didn’t have a capitol). After the French were kicked out, the new royal family decided to retain Amsterdam as capitol, even though they decided to reside in The Hague to be close to the senate and parliament. Interesting fact: even during the French occupation the "king" never resided in Amsterdam - his favourite palace was 'Welgelegen' in Haarlem with 'Soestdijk' in second place.
@sdf6508
@sdf6508 Год назад
@@evo3s75nee want dan zouden we 12 ‘second capitals’ hebben
11 месяцев назад
Also: "Den Haag Laan van Nieuw Oost Indië" 😉
@DasunBuwanekaLiyanaarachchi
You mentioned this as long distance train , but it is practically commuter train as well . Acrtually this is one option I use from my commute from Den Haag to Amsterdam .
@TaronTT
@TaronTT Год назад
Considering these sets are only used for IC services, it's definitely not a commuter trainset.
@damancia_rajongo_1
@damancia_rajongo_1 Год назад
@@TaronTT Unless, of course, if you commute by an IC train, which is very common in the Netherlands, especially in and around the Randstad (Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Den Haag, Utrecht). :)
@barvdw
@barvdw Год назад
​@@TaronTTlet's face it, only in the Netherlands (or perhaps Belgium or Denmark) would this service be called an Intercity. As would most Dutch IC trains btw, especially in the Randstad, at best, they're an RE (Regional Express) in Germany. Distances are such that even on a Dutch IC, they are perfectly commutable.
@TaronTT
@TaronTT Год назад
@@damancia_rajongo_1 doesn't change the purpose of the trainset. Sprinters are commuter trainsets.
@TaronTT
@TaronTT Год назад
@@barvdw your point? I was talking about the rolling stock, not how you class your service
@patrickjane419
@patrickjane419 Год назад
I love this channel mainly because he's not one of those vloggers who is constantly talking loudly into the camera while being a menace to the others while doing it. The footage is outstanding, the speech, the script, everything is top notch. Keep it up man!
@benedettobruno1669
@benedettobruno1669 Год назад
...and may I add, how refreshing to find out there are still some British people, like this man, being able to speak for an entire video and not using uptalk even once. Thank God for that!
@justint.3916
@justint.3916 Год назад
Damn, you got the one train they haven't modernised. That's a shame to be fair. If you got the new train, they would be much better in my opinion.
@BubblesBub434
@BubblesBub434 Год назад
they have worse seats and still no luggage space and still a lack of toilets and still are dirty. All of the main critique points still hold for the modern one, the modern one just looks a bit sleeker.
@patrickreuvekamp
@patrickreuvekamp Год назад
@@BubblesBub434 The first wave of modernisations actually has really good seats in first class. But they can still be rather filthy indeed.
@robyoungquist5803
@robyoungquist5803 Год назад
I’ll never understand the “thrill” of defacing/trashing property that doesn’t belong to me. 🤔. I agree, Matt, cleanliness is definitely NOT NS’s strong suit. 😒. To me, there’s just no excuse for uncleanliness but then again I’m Swedish 🇸🇪 so … 🤣🤣
@grassytramtracks
@grassytramtracks Год назад
Indeed, no good excuse for not keeping trains clean. Not enough staff? Hire more
@barvdw
@barvdw Год назад
​@@grassytramtracksthey're trying, but there are 100s of vacancies, not just at the 'menial' jobs like cleaners, btw, they also had to reduce frequencies because of a lack of drivers and conductors.
@keahnig164
@keahnig164 Год назад
I'm Swiss and same here.🇨🇭 I will never understand that!
@xixi560
@xixi560 Год назад
I'm a railfan but I could try explain it if wanted. At least graffiti, even to the point of purely 'senseless' vandalism/destruction. A lot of the films I watched as a child were from Stockholm. The sound of the C20's traction motors will forever be etched into my brain, with graffiti tied to it. Not advocating for it necessarily or anything, but the psychology behind it and the fact people don't seem to get it has interested me for a while
@mitchystuff
@mitchystuff Год назад
@@grassytramtracks theyre trying to hire but since their working conditions suck, most people dont wanna work there.
@ercanyilmaz8108
@ercanyilmaz8108 11 месяцев назад
Thank you for this good presentation. As a resident of the Netherlands, I can say that ticket prices keep going up, while cuts are made in services. The result is the dirt in the train and missing staff to ask questions and so on.
@pinobluevogel6458
@pinobluevogel6458 11 месяцев назад
For a country that wants more people to take public transport over their cars, making it unaffordably expensive and worse is definitely not the way to go.
@joggelweekend
@joggelweekend 11 месяцев назад
Nonsense, Dutch people don't take hygiene very well and don't clean up their mess.
@raiden24
@raiden24 11 месяцев назад
@@pinobluevogel6458 The NS is fully privatized, the government is only a shareholder and not directly in control of company policy, therefore the NS is free to maximize profits as it sees fit. Thus if the government makes it more expensive to take the car to encourage people to take public transport, then the NS has extra room to push their ticket prices up and/or cut service, given that because of its monopoly on rail service their only real competition is the car. If the government is serious about rail travel being the main mode of transportation it either needs to semi-nationalize the NS again so it can set ticket prices and levels of service. Or it needs to allow other train companies on the main rail network to allow for real market competition. Otherwise after eliminating most travel by car all you're left with is a state-sponsored private transportation monopoly and that can't end well.
@pinobluevogel6458
@pinobluevogel6458 11 месяцев назад
@@raiden24 To be fair, it already is a state sponsored private transportation monopoly, but you make some valid points regardless. I'm not against a free market solution, but nothing about how they operate and how the government makes laws is truly free market anyways, so they might as well bring it back under government control and force normal pricing. (or make it free like some political parties advocate)
@NotFlappy12
@NotFlappy12 10 месяцев назад
@@raiden24 I am personally definitely in favor of nationalizing the railways. I believe quality control is the most important thing for such an important piece of infrastructure (together with accessability, which is already regulated anyway, if I'm not mistaken).
@TheRepublicOfYhonai
@TheRepublicOfYhonai Год назад
I love how £28.22 for a fully flexible first class ticket is expensive 😂 that would be incredibly cheap in the UK!
@SuperalbsTravels
@SuperalbsTravels Год назад
This ticket ( www.brfares.com/!faredetail?orig=EXD&dest=PLY&rte=1000&tkt=FCR ) is for a similar distance, for £5 more...but it's a return. Also you get free food and drink. Just an example, but I do agree that UK rail travel is generally heavily overpriced.
@florianmeier3186
@florianmeier3186 Год назад
Yes, for European standards it is not expensive.
@misterjeffa2128
@misterjeffa2128 Год назад
yes and it in the netherlands is doesnt matter when you buy it either. 4 months before or just 2 minutes before departure? same price. I know that often isnt the case in the UK.
@teaser6089
@teaser6089 Год назад
@@SuperalbsTravels This train is not one of the newest VIRM units, it was actually one of the oldest. Most have already been refurbished with complete new seating layout, providing mostly 2x2 instead of 2x1 seating for 2nd and 1st class. New seating and 4 USB-A charging ports per group of seats.
@branding01
@branding01 Год назад
for just an hour ride this is expensive, yes. Was it even a one-way ticket?? that's shocking.
@mfbfreak
@mfbfreak Год назад
11:10 in 2nd class, you can put suitcases in the gaps between the seats that face away from each other. In the modern DDZ double deckers, the little food and drinks trolley elevator space (there used to be an airplane-style food and drinks trolley on longer journeys, which necesssitated a little elevator in double deckers) has also been converted to a compartment for suitcases. In the VIRM this space has been converted to passenger space. Since not too many people travel with suitcases, this is usually enough. It has to be said that many people who do travel with big luggage, don't use those compartments but elect to keep them by their side either on an empty seat, or in the aisle.
@misterjeffa2128
@misterjeffa2128 Год назад
Some VIRM revisions also have the luggage rack in the old elevator spot.
@hesseldijkstra5327
@hesseldijkstra5327 Год назад
When traveling from airport Schiphol with suitcases and a carryon, traveling by train is a challenge, because many travelers with suitcases will board the train at that station.
@gerhard6105
@gerhard6105 11 месяцев назад
Indeed, the room between the seats is designed for suitcases. Some people do not look further then their nise is long.
@gerhard6105
@gerhard6105 11 месяцев назад
Indeed, the room between the seats is designed for suitcases. Some people do not look further then their nise is long.
@TheSuperappelflap
@TheSuperappelflap 8 месяцев назад
Most trains have overhead storage for larger items of luggage that dont fit between the seats or on your lap. However, the double deckers dont have enough headroom for the overhead racks, so storing luggage in those is more difficult. But they are mostly meant for commutes to and from work, they arent used at Schiphol, so if youre traveling to or from the airport with luggage you should have overhead storage.
@rustinpieces
@rustinpieces Год назад
You make solid efforts on pronounciation but you're often still some steps away from nailing it. ;-) I must agree that cleanliness and NS just don't go together; and trust me, I've been riding these trains from the mid-70's - they never did. "Absolutely disgusting" is the usual standard. This does have a lot to do with the general mindset/behavior of the people riding these trains - all those people saying The Netherlands is generally such a clean country, either have never been here; or remember their visit way back in the late 1950's.
@darkknight8139
@darkknight8139 Год назад
Compared to other European countries, the first class in NS trains offers very limited extra value over second class, while being a whopping 70% more expensive than second class. In this case, you got VIRM 4, which has the worst first class seats of all first class intercity trains, and will be the last generation to be refurbished in the future. The older generations 1 and 2 have been refurbished and are excellent right now. The very old but very reliable and comfortable ICM stock (built in the 80s) were refurbished around 2005, they offer lots more comfort in first class than this 2009 VIRM 4 stock. First class in regional Sprinter service is a laugh: the seats are exactly the same as second class, but the upholstry is red. First class always costs exactly 70% more than second class, in this case you get the same seats... Having first class is nice, but I don't think it offers enough value in The Netherlands. Especially compared to the ICE service between Amsterdam and Frankfurt, or the Thalys service to Paris, where second class is as luxurious as first class in an NS intercity train. The new ICNG trains serving on the high speed line are way better than the VIRM trains, but still too expensive for what you get. And don't forget the extra 'toeslag' you must pay on the platform: a fixed fee for traveling on the high speed line.
@branding01
@branding01 Год назад
i agree. in most Dutch trains 1st class only offers more quiet. Because most travel 2d, for this reason. But quiet is a luxury in this country, so that's atleast something. In earlier days we even had a coffee service, someone who came by with a flexible trolley. This country is in decay atm, just like UK, so lack of personell and proper hygiene is missing too.
@RH-ro3sg
@RH-ro3sg Год назад
I agree. I don't think paying the premium is worth it, so I usually travel 2nd class. If I _were_ to travel 1st class, it would be for the quiet it offers, not for the extra features.
@TheSuperappelflap
@TheSuperappelflap 8 месяцев назад
A Thalys to Paris also costs at least 60 euro. I will take my cheap dirty NS train, thank you very much, the French can pay as much as they want for their fancy trains.
@Djenzh
@Djenzh Год назад
Great video! I've been using the Dutch trains on an almost daily basis since 2020 (when I started studying in Leiden & Delft) until very recently when I got a studio in Leiden. I used to travel from Alkmaar to Leiden, which is always in two parts. 1) Take a 'sprinter' (train that stops at each station) to Haarlem and 2) from Haarlem, take an intercity to Leiden. Around the time of Covid (march 2020 until roughly august 2021) the trains were actually not that bad. Sure, you had to wear a face-mask, but with most people working from home the trains wouldn't be so filthy. There were very few delays (I'd say roughly once every 3 weeks) and if there were, they weren't quite as significant. Now, after Covid blew over and people started taking the trains more again, things got worse. Much much worse, it isn't even funny. The 'filth' you saw? Yeah, that's clean compared to how trains normally look (except the bathrooms, but in my 3 years of taking the trains I've never even dared to set foot there). Oh, and how about the delays? Much more frequent. So much so, that from august 2022 I've been counting them (only on my route) and can confidently say that every week there would be at least one big delay. I'm talking 30+ minutes. Some highlights are: Trying to get back from Delft after a long day of studying. Trying to take the train from 19:00, but due to problems with the signals there were no trains travelling. I ended up having to take a train from 23:00, and got back home 1:30. Keep in mind, next day I had to get up again at 5:00. Another 'fun' one, was quite recently, when their logistics were so god awful that a passanger train slammed into a crane (luckily I wasn't on that one). The entire train ended up derailing and ended up in some field. It ended up being international news. (Credit where credit is due, there was only 1 death, that was the crane operator, everyone in the train made it out alive, so the trains are quite sturdy, I'll give them that). Another 'fun' example was when I had to get back from Leiden and there was a disturbance from Haarlem to Alkmaar, which would end up not being fixed until the day after. Then there is only one other way, that's a detour via Zaandam. Guess what? Another disturbance on that one too. And you guessed it! Would not be fixed until the day after that! I literally couldn't get home via the trains. A bus would take about 5 hours so yeah, now what? Luckily my parents could pick me up from Haarlem, otherwise I would have been screwed. Finally, I'll add that not only the trains are awful nowadays, but some of the people on them as well. I've literally had 3 consecutive days of a trains being cancelled because annoying ass people would cause disturbances. I've seen cops being called to get these people out, because the NS doesn't have enough security. Quite logical, because NS staff is pretty underpaid, (so much so that there were national strikes), but even after the strikes there still isn't enough staff. I want to make clear that I don't bear any grudge to the actual staff of the NS, that keep the (limited amount of) trains running. My gripes are purely with the executives of this absolute joke of a company.
@zzzzzz9784
@zzzzzz9784 11 месяцев назад
We aint reading all that
@pinobluevogel6458
@pinobluevogel6458 11 месяцев назад
Even though I'm not entirely sure it is relevant for everyone, I appreciate the longer writing on this comment. Having been using NS trains on and off for close to 25 years now, I can safely say it used to be a lot better and - more importantly - cheaper. Being a student with an OV card is definitely a lifesaver if you have to travel multiple times a week. As I see it the main issues with the NS currently are: it is way too expensive, the service is unreliable and not robust (down to even not running at all at even the slightest issue) and they have way too few staff. There should be at least one living human being on every station where you can go for information, at the very least at moderate to larger stops. Even in Rotterdam CS, one of the largest trainstations in the Netherlands, it took me 15 minutes to locate an NS employee to even ask the most basic question. This is just incredibly unfriendly to consumers. Not to mention if everything is automated, why are we paying such exorbitant amounts for our tickets? It would make sense if that money went to covering the salaries of the employees, but with all these automated systems they have no valid reason for it to be this expensive. Considering it should be a viable alternative to car travel, the least that should change is make it cheap. With the NS holding a monopoly on train travel in our country, there is also no way to avoid using them and no alternative.
@irishuisman1450
@irishuisman1450 11 месяцев назад
I'd like to point out that the accident with the crane was the first of its kind in _many_ years. The Dutch railway network is one of the safest in the world, and I'm fairly sure the investigation as to what happened there is still ongoing. The fact that it happened at all was extremely shocking.
@pinobluevogel6458
@pinobluevogel6458 11 месяцев назад
@@irishuisman1450 While I'm not very impressed with the service as a whole (and the pricing in particular) I think you are very correct in that the NS has been really safe over all these years. Thanks for pointing that out.
@___echo___
@___echo___ 11 месяцев назад
@@zzzzzz9784 TLDR, way too many f-in delays, its a massive problem. I would say from anecdotal experience that like half the trains are delayed ~5 minutes, 10% have big delays (~20 minutes) and ~5% get cancelled. WAY TOO UNRELIABLE
@barvdw
@barvdw Год назад
There's definitely a problem with cleanliness, but honesty, i think you let passengers off the hook a bit too easy. While there should be more cleaning staff including while the train is on the move, i've seen trains quite literally leave the sidings, cleaned and restocked, turned into a pigsty before it reached the first terminus (on average, a Dutch train will fo at least 4-6 return trips a day). And with the very limited layover time, there's only so much you can clean... Combined with a lack of cleaning (and other) staff, you get this. And i have seen it worse (spilled soda, entire picknicks just strewn all over the place...), this was actually fairly mild in comparison...
@tamoroso
@tamoroso Год назад
Concur; the trains wouldn't get as dirty (nor would they have as much graffiti) if more people gave a damn.
@evo3s75
@evo3s75 Год назад
Kinda sad you got the oldest VIRM (which are often also pretty dirty). You can recognize if it's a refurbished one by the livery, a blue band going over the upper deck's is the oldest one. The one's with a (lighter) blue band going over the bottom deck (and around the door's) is the 1st refurbished variant. The one's which have a blue roof with a completely yellow/orange-ish painted side with a big white NS logo are the newest one's (we call them VIRM Flow cause of that livery) And the max speed of 140km/h is because of the old Dutch safety system (ATB) which does not allow for higher speeds. They're working on implementing ERTMS so our trains can run at 160km/h on the tracks which are already made for those speeds (like the track between Amsterdam and Utrecht)
@Andrewjg_89
@Andrewjg_89 Год назад
I know that the UK can’t have double decker trains because of bridge height restrictions but these double decker trains are massive and can handle more passengers.
@EdgyNumber1
@EdgyNumber1 Год назад
I think they use the GC+ gauge, so you would also need to modify platform edges and tunnel widths too.
@ReyOfLight
@ReyOfLight Год назад
Netherlands is also a tiny country which is very densely populated. Like they've crammed in over 17 million people in a country that is about 1,5 the size of my home region in Sweden (my region has about 1,8 million people or so if I remember it right) so it's only natural that the trains in Netherlands needs to be able to take a large number of passengers. Personally I'd even go as far as calling all trains in Netherlands commuter trains due to the short distances. I'm yet to visit Netherlands myself other than having had a flight transfer at Schiphol on one of my trips to and from China in 2010, but it's a country I'm likely to visit a fair bit when able to as the love of my life is Dutch
@nickhiscock8948
@nickhiscock8948 Год назад
Sydney's double decker trains are definitely wider as they are 2 + 3 seating on both decks. But the upper decker always seem cramped for head room.
@jsoftj
@jsoftj Год назад
Basically, our rail network is too old for double deckers.
@teaser6089
@teaser6089 Год назад
@@jsoftj A large percentage of the British train network hasn't been upgraded since it was electrified(with exception of maintenance of course) and most tunnels still date from almost 150 years ago or older. That is why HS2 was so expensive and why it is such a shame the Tories are scrapping the plans(yes I know parts are still kept, but it doesn't connect into London anymore, so it is absolutely useless).
@sanderdeboer6034
@sanderdeboer6034 Год назад
Second class is almost the same as first class AND most people who regularly travel on trains have the 40 percent discount added to their OV card. (I do and it saves me a LOT of money) I traveled from my sister who lives near Leeuwarden to Zaandam last weekend and it costed me 17 euros one way. A three hour journey of a few hundred km. I agree many of the older trains are dirty, however the recently reversed double deckers look great. (For now)
@samtrak1204
@samtrak1204 Год назад
The boxy "modern" entrance destroys the elegant facade of Amsterdam Central.
@brilliantroads
@brilliantroads Год назад
As a Dutch person I've traveled in these many times and I can't keep count on the amount of piss ponds in the toilets I have found in these VIRM's, clean isn't in the book for NS. And when I saw that older German coaches have basic things as comfortable seats and sockets in 2nd class I realised how bad our trains are. Unfortunate...
@T_hijs
@T_hijs Год назад
Sorry hoor, maar de oude Duitse intercityrijtuigen hebben eerder minder stopcontacten dan de VIRM. Maar in deze video troffen we wel een erg smerig exemplaar...
@brilliantroads
@brilliantroads Год назад
@@T_hijs Ik heb de afgelopen tijd meerdere keren van Groningen naar de randstad gereisd in een VIRM, DDZ of Hondekop en elke keer is het smerig. De nieuwe VIRM's zijn daarintegen prima maar NS heeft al jaren niet een hoge schoonheidsstandaard en daarmee de reizigers dus ook niet.
@T_hijs
@T_hijs Год назад
@@brilliantroads Ik noemde vooral even de stopcontacten. De smerigheid staat niet ter discussie; het is bij vlagen gewoon ranzig...
@pablodavico
@pablodavico Год назад
I liked that your arrival was at 12:17, exactly the length of the video.
@SuperalbsTravels
@SuperalbsTravels Год назад
That's awesome. I never noticed. 😂
@daanwolters3751
@daanwolters3751 Год назад
Sadly the ns has serious manpower shortages, especially when it comes to cleaning staff, ticket inspectors and other on-the-floor type of crew, and it is showing. And about the price, at off peak times you can get 40% off the ticket price for 5 euros a month, or when traveling with someone who has the discount.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios Год назад
That makes it worth it even for a single trip. The rticket costs 17.90€, take 40% and you'll save 7.16€
@drdewott9154
@drdewott9154 Год назад
Its a shame that NS takes such little care of their trains. I guess thats one thing they have in common with DSB back in Denmark where I'm from. Also I'd love to see a review on the ICNG trains. Speaking of DSB btw, if you get the opportunity, reviews of the Danish IC3 and our IR4's would be really nice. They're both Danish "Rubber nose" trains, with one being diesel and the other electric, and with different interiors. The IC3's run on most domestic Intercity and Lightning train services in Denmark, as well as some regional lines like those to Nykøbing Falster. While the IR4 is easy to find on the hourly Intercity route to Esbjerg, and every 2 hourly Lightning train to Sønderborg where it runs conjoined with IC3 DMU's for part of the route going to different destinations.
@norwayspotter26
@norwayspotter26 Год назад
love how you call them "lightning trains" in Denmark too, we do that in Norway as well haha
@trunghoadang3710
@trunghoadang3710 Год назад
It's a hit or miss. I take at least 2 VIRMs to work in Amsterdam and back every single day, but I rarely get dirty old trains. Maybe once or twice a week.
@teaser6089
@teaser6089 Год назад
It is a shame, but it's due to the workers shortage, which is obviously caused by them not having high enough wages.
@drdewott9154
@drdewott9154 Год назад
@@teaser6089 Here its more so due to a shortage of rolling stock. DSB literally doesnt have enough trains to take them out of service for regular cleaning and in some cases upkeep.
@branding01
@branding01 Год назад
Lack of personel. Our economy is getting wracked, our systems corrupt, it's not going well at all. That leaves traces.
@AnnabelSmyth
@AnnabelSmyth Год назад
Was this train not accessible? You didn't mention either way, but if the only choice was steps up or steps down, then presumably not. And yes, of course I'd like to see a video on the high speed service!
@stepsister3859
@stepsister3859 Год назад
This specific train doesnt have level boarding but it is wheelchair accesible. If u need to enter this train with a wheelchair u can use the app to "order" a person to put a ramp for u to enter
@heroicnonsense
@heroicnonsense Год назад
The two decks are not accessible, but there is at least one balcony on every VIRM(m) that is reserved for wheelchair/pram/mobility scooter users. The accessible toilet is located on this balcony, as are fold down seats for people that accompany you. This balcony is recognisable by the wheelchair icon on the outer doors. The attendant (see below) will always board you onto this balcony as you can not get from one balcony to the other once on the train. 4-car units have one accessible balcony, 6-car units have two. The VIRM(m) does not feature platform level entry. So a ramp is needed to get on or off the train for wheelchair users. You order one through the app and an attendant will be waiting for you on the platform on both your departing station and destination. Not all stations have this facility, but the bigger ones do. You can generally get to the smaller stations by changing onto a local train which are fully accessible (no need for a ramp) and have plenty of wheelchair/pram/mobility scooter spaces. The new double deckers, planned to arrive in the next 5 years, have level boarding on at least two of the coaches in the unit. These units will replace the older DDZ double deckers and the Koploper units, which means NS is phasing out two trains that do not feature platform level entry in favour of one that does (partially). VIRM(m) is here to stay for at least another 15-20 years though, and will remain the largest class (in numbers) that run Intercity services during that time, so ramps will be necessary for that time frame as well. The newer ICNG has platform level entry for all doors and wheelchair spaces a plenty and will have replaced the loco hauled ICDirect sets by next summer for both domestic services and the services to Belgium. All local trains ("Sprinters") have level entry for all doors too, and at least four wheelchair spaces (depending on the model of train, there could be more).
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios Год назад
If they are anything like the german double deckers, at least the area by the doors should be level.
@mitchystuff
@mitchystuff Год назад
@@HappyBeezerStudios I can tell you, theyre not haha, you have to get up 2 or 3 steps to get into the train. They do have ramps, though not at all stations
@waldogadellaa
@waldogadellaa 7 месяцев назад
@@HappyBeezerStudios NS is going to slightly replace all double deck units by single deck trains so those on board ramps will go out of service any time in future. Probably around 2035 - 2040.
@dominicdiamond483
@dominicdiamond483 Год назад
You need to give the soap dispenser 2-3 full turns, so it can scrape off the dry soap inside - if it‘s filled and working correctly. In case you want to see how it looks on the inside, enter Sapor soap dispenser in the search. 😊
@tobaben92
@tobaben92 Год назад
Would love to see a video on the ICNG. Very curiously awaiting the DSB version here in Denmark for 2025.
@BananenBoerBob
@BananenBoerBob Год назад
Reliability is great on those compared to the other trains running in the Netherlands. Comfort on that specific seat layout is actually better in second class if there is room to take up 2 seats. You get less slippy fabric and no armrest (that is too low for practical use) in between the seats. Although there are better seat layouts on some of the VIRMs. The cleanliness is abyssmal on all the trains, ocassionally one gets forced out of comission for cleaning because it is deemed too dirty. One can only attempt to fathom how bad it must have been for that to be the case.
@dharmapratama.i9487
@dharmapratama.i9487 Год назад
Being to netherland in 2018 and surpised indonesian train was better than ducth railway althought our emu and coachest was build in the 80s. Idk why most of european train/station include the netherland have a lot of vandalism
@lexmole
@lexmole Год назад
I travelled a few times through the Netherlands, and I made the same experience. I really like NS for being very reliable and on-time. But the InterCity's current state is embarrassing. One would never expect that from such a modern country. The trains are oftentimes dirty from outside and inside. I wonder if they even clean the trains once per week (from inside, from outside obviously not, they look as though they had never been cleaned). Considering the pretty high price for tickets, this is unacceptable.
@TheSuperappelflap
@TheSuperappelflap 8 месяцев назад
Its only expensive for foreigners. Local people get a subscription for 40% discount for personal travel, students travel for free, and employers fully reimburse your commute. Considering how many people take the train every day and the massive labour shortages in every sector of the economy, I would say they are generally quite clean.
@lexmole
@lexmole 2 месяца назад
@@TheSuperappelflap I know about that, I have an NS Flex as well (despite living in Germany, but I live close to the border). However, I still find it pretty expensive if someone does not ride regularly. Even with 40% discount, it is still not very cheap...
@darkfangnightcrow
@darkfangnightcrow 11 месяцев назад
I disagree with almost every comment you made, I feel the Dutch trains are awesome, granted it would be nice graffiti free but you can't have everything, and your pronunciation of Dutch is triggering as an Englishman learning Dutch its horrific.
@DarkAngelKitty
@DarkAngelKitty 11 месяцев назад
I agree with DarkFang😊 Also be glad you have wifi and a power outlet, as a Dutchie i can confirm that (was) not always the case...
@Jacob-W-5570
@Jacob-W-5570 Год назад
As a Dutch person, I actually prefer the older Koploper and Hondekop single deck trains, they have more space in 2nd class, and as they generally run in the east and not in the randstad, where people are a bit more civil still, they are a lot cleaner. One thing I see a lot from international people, Den Haag ('s Gravenhage) is NOT "another capital", Amsterdam is the only Capital of the Netherlands. 's Gravenhage is the seat of the government, that does not make it a capital.
@gerhard6105
@gerhard6105 11 месяцев назад
's-Gravenhage. Dus met een "streepje" tussen de s en de G.
@Wig4
@Wig4 10 месяцев назад
@@gerhard6105 Niet relevant voor de context. (...//...)
@gerhard6105
@gerhard6105 10 месяцев назад
@@Wig4 jawel: als je het doet, doe het dan goed.
@EpreTroll
@EpreTroll Год назад
Lol that hideous entrance they stuck onto Amsterdam central. Shame to that architect and the people that allowed it. No good reason The problem with the NS trains are that the never prioritise the client. As you show, the trains are dirty, often overcrowded. They now are considering invoking a peak tax. Making you pay extra during rush hour. This goes directly against the most basic principle of public transport itself. Another reason they suck so much is because they spend nearly all of their budget on creating new train models instead of improving and fixing the old ones or god forbid their ancient payment machines at the stations. Checking in inside the train is still not an option and the conductors are always more taken up by making sure the peasant pays the huge fees than whether they have a good ride. This all stems from the fact that the company NS was privatised. A PUBLIC transport company should never be owned by PRIVATE companies. How do you honestly expect that to turn out well.
@AnimilesYT
@AnimilesYT Год назад
I'd love to see a video on the Wesp. I'm Dutch myself, so I already knew about everything you showed in this video. I can also confirm that you've had a very average journey/train. Also, your pronunciation is very good! The only thing which isn't pronounced correctly is at 3:07, but most things were spot on. And with the number of Dutch names/words you've said it's really impressive that just one of them is not really correct. I really appreciate it when people put some time into learning the proper pronunciation of things :D
@GabrielViana-mg3vh
@GabrielViana-mg3vh Год назад
Ja he doesn’t know what a Wesp is dummy. Just call it the ICNG
@tikket10
@tikket10 Год назад
i found his pronounciation a bit germanised
@lukefowler9740
@lukefowler9740 9 месяцев назад
Really? Dutch second language speaker here and I only thought "Rotterdam" and "Haarlem" were close to sounding Dutch. I cringed at his pronunciation of "Centraal" and adding the sj sound to Amsterdam is very ... Amsjterdamsje ;)
@virago496
@virago496 Год назад
2 Capital cities? Den Haag is the seat of government, not 1 of 2 capital cities. Amsterdam is the only Capital.
@backup_hdd
@backup_hdd Год назад
regarding the "powder-soap dispensers that i can never really figure out": i personally actually really love those (the soap feels really comfortable imo) - if they're not empty, that is. about not being able to figure it out: just rotating the wheel thingy while placing your hand below should do the job.. you tried that, right? (i'm not from the netherlands, but we have something that looks just alike in austrian double-decker commuter trains.. and, well, the soap dispensers do tend to be empty a lot..)
@beckiverson1531
@beckiverson1531 Год назад
for all the criticism that American trains get, I've never seen Amtrak or Brightline this nasty 🤢
@evo3s75
@evo3s75 Год назад
It's a really old train from the '90's. NS has been struggling with a lack of personnel so cleaning isn't too high on their pecking order. But if he'd have take one of the 2 refurbished VIRM's it would look a lot better and be a lot cleaner
@liamtahaney713
@liamtahaney713 Год назад
Because no one uses them
@ToonHermans18
@ToonHermans18 Год назад
In how these trains are used and operated, even the NY subway is a better comparison than Amtrak or Brightline. They see very heavy use and are completely full during peak hours (as in seats plus standing room all full). And that is already with long double-decker trains (up to 10 carriages long) with headways of up to 10 minutes for the Intercity. The Intercity also stops relatively frequently, as you could see in the video (10 stops in around 53 miles). Due to that, trains get dirty sadly. And combined with a nationwide staff shortage with everything and a massive and intensively used fleet, it can mean they don't get cleaned often enough. This train is also not the newest train. It is a VIRM, which originates from the early 90s already. This is a VIRM4, so these are around 15 years old specifically. As the VIRM4 is the "newest" VIRM, these are the only VIRMS that haven't received their refurbishment yet. In the past decade all other VIRM generations received a full refurbishment, so those trains now look and feel modern, unlike this train. The project is ongoing, and the VIRM4 should get their refurbishments in the upcoming years.
@walterfillingham
@walterfillingham Год назад
Great video, however my own personal experience on them is they seem to need a good clean both inside and out. For once even trains here in Inverness seem to be much cleaner. At least ScotRail attempted to wash their trains. Graffiti and general dirt seem to be common on Dutch trains
@evo3s75
@evo3s75 Год назад
Yea, we also have a graffiti problem... People in the Netherlands for some reason love tagging shit with their ugly graffiti and tag designs... Even our newest ICNG's already got plastered by those fuckwits..
@crytocc
@crytocc Год назад
Graffiti is mainly common in toilets; graffiti on the outside tends to be removed pretty quickly. I'd say that Belgian trains are much, much worse on the graffiti on the outside :)
@Nourdindan
@Nourdindan 11 месяцев назад
If ur a student in the Netherlands u can also ask the government for a little "Studenten OV" (Student Public Transport) card that will make the cost of traintravel a debt, BUT if you get your diploma (dagree) within 10 years of getting the studenten OV then the debt will be revoked, which basically makes public transport free for most students in the Netherlands, busses included. As long as you get ur diploma within 10 years. You do pay in the weekend but its 80% off. (you can also choose to have the "Free" trips in the weekend and pay 80% off during the schoolweek)
@glenniebrother
@glenniebrother 2 месяца назад
It's only 34% off.
@npl070
@npl070 Год назад
I noticed a couple of things in your video (apart from the pronounciation). For Amsterdam Centraal you mentioned the trams and metro. The station is also served by many bus routes. The bus station is on the IJ side of the station. Not to foget the externsive ferry system too. You referred to Den Haag as the second capital. Amsterdam is the capital, Den Haag is the seat of government. That does not make it a second capital.
@MrBlueBurd0451
@MrBlueBurd0451 Год назад
I feel it's necessary to point out that despite the fact that the entire Executive and Legislative arms of the Dutch Government are located in Den Haag, it is not considered a capital. Amsterdam is, both culturally and legally, the sole capital of the Netherlands.
@GabrielViana-mg3vh
@GabrielViana-mg3vh Год назад
NS in general is way too expensive for what it offers. Also, the soap dispenser is classic! If you turn the knob it dispenses powered soap.
@dominikhavel8102
@dominikhavel8102 Год назад
I love these dispensers! They are so useful! In fact, they work as a grater - there is a bar of soap in it. As you turn the handle, it dispenses soap powder. Much better than disgusting bar soap next to the sink and much easier to maintain than the liquid soap system.
@TheSuperappelflap
@TheSuperappelflap 8 месяцев назад
Its not expensive at all, its one of the cheapest railway services in the world, especially adjusted for purchase power parity. Its also not subsidized by the government so it doesnt run on your tax money like in most other countries.
@T_hijs
@T_hijs Год назад
A small correction: it's "Den Haag Laan van Nieuw Oost-Indië", rather than "Den Haag Laan van Nieuw Oosteinde". Both streets exist, but the name of the station you mentioned is unfortunately incorrect...
@justrelaxmore
@justrelaxmore Год назад
I often use the Dutch railways and always appreciate their punctuality and reliability. In contrast to that, however, is the condition, or rather, the cleanliness of the trains. From the outside, the trains are usually dirty, and the interiors are covered in graffiti. I try to avoid the toilets as much as I can, and I have never seen clean compartments or seats, regardless of whether it's first or second class. It's always a mystery to me since the Netherlands is otherwise a clean country with exemplary quality standards.
@derstijn
@derstijn Год назад
Yes, totally agree. I think it's because the main KPI of NS is its punctuality, perhaps followed by providing network information. Cleanlineness apparently doesn't help them (enough) to maintain their monopoly.
@i.m.385
@i.m.385 Год назад
There are simply not enough people to clean that many trains.. and there is also not enough time to actually clean the trains since they need to be constantly running with the busy schedules for train sets.. it’s a lose lose for the company, however you can tell.. the older trains (lets say before 2007 design) are always more disgusting, partly because it is more difficult to clean the trains with bad designs. Newer trains make easy access and level surfaces for quick cleaning, and you can tell they stay in better shape.. but still it is not great.
@NiekNooijens
@NiekNooijens Год назад
Punctuality and reliability? Sir book a trip to Japan and experience the JR for 3 weeks. They make the Dutch railways seem like a sad joke. I'm currently working in Japan for a year and in over 6 months I haven't had a single delay longer than 3 minutes (2 times 1 minute, everything else on time) and haven't had a dirty toilet ever! The difference is night and day!
@i.m.385
@i.m.385 Год назад
@@NiekNooijens they are not comparable. In this continent, Europe, the claims are correct
@amsterdammancom
@amsterdammancom Год назад
@@NiekNooijens From what I've seen about being crammed into a Japanese train, I'll take a dirty seat over a sardine can any day!!
@intersezioni
@intersezioni Год назад
The Netherlands continues to suffer financial losses from the railway company NS, as indicated in the half-yearly results presented last August 10. The positive news, however, is that there is some improvement compared to last year. In fact, the operating loss went from 225 million to 26 million euros. The company calls these results "still insufficient to ensure a healthy financial situation for NS." For this reason, the coming years will remain "a financial challenge," the company said. CEO Wouter Koolmees refers to the changes in travel habits: “In the Netherlands we are returning to travel more often by train, but we still have fewer passengers than before the pandemic. This is also reflected in our financial performance. The social task remains of essential importance, but financially it continues to involve losses”. On average, during a working day, around 1.1 million passengers use the train. Before the pandemic, there were 1.3 million.
@TheSuperappelflap
@TheSuperappelflap 8 месяцев назад
The losses are solely because of the pandemic and its consequences. Usually, NS is a profit center for the government.
@fritsvanzanten3573
@fritsvanzanten3573 Год назад
When these trains were introduced a new feature was there were no windows that could be opened, and it was kind of airconditioned. Until then trains could be very hot in summers, and, regardless temperature people had different preferences about ventilation, so often discussion arose about opening or closing the windows, also because when you opened the wi dows at your seat, people in the seats behind you got the draught. Opening the windows also caused considerable noise. On the other hand you couldn't stick you head out anymore to say goodbye or get a better view, and for what German trains had warning signs in four languages, with the enigmatic Italian 'È pericoloso sporgersi'. But in summer these trains were very comfortable temperature-wise.
@arnoldpalthe3915
@arnoldpalthe3915 3 месяца назад
'È pericoloso sporgersi' means it is dangerous to lean out the window. No riddle at all.
@fritsvanzanten3573
@fritsvanzanten3573 3 месяца назад
@@arnoldpalthe3915 It is when you don't speak Italian and wonder which word means what.
@arnoldpalthe3915
@arnoldpalthe3915 2 месяца назад
@@fritsvanzanten3573 in international trains you could read that message in four languages including Italian
@alexmadgwick634
@alexmadgwick634 Год назад
"£23.80 is VERY expensive." Ha a similar journey from London would cost about that for *standard/second* class, and double if you wanted first! Brits really are being taken for mugs with our rail prices... :(
@jhjacobs81
@jhjacobs81 Год назад
NS generally takes great pride in its trains. But after Covid 19 there’s a huge shortage of workers.
@teaser6089
@teaser6089 Год назад
There is a shortage, so the demand for workers is higher than supply. NS has to increase wages in order to convince the market that workers should come work there.
@Kevin-gb7lk
@Kevin-gb7lk Год назад
​@@prity5631Dutch public transport is already the most expensive in Europe (second to only Switzerland) iirc
@diedertspijkerboer
@diedertspijkerboer Год назад
Den Haag is not the capital, or a capital of the Netherlands l. Amsterdam is the capital (hoofdstad), Den Haag / the Hague is the seat of government (residentie). However, it is the capital of the province of Zuid Holland.
@crytocc
@crytocc Год назад
For those soap dispensers: you're supposed to rotate the wheel all the way around, it will 'click' several times in the process.
@barvdw
@barvdw Год назад
You also need to wet your hands first, so the soap can dissolve and sticks better to your hands.
@crowmob-yo6ry
@crowmob-yo6ry 10 месяцев назад
Any foreigner: * thinks something that exists in the Netherlands is less than perfect * NotJustBikes and his equally obnoxious fanboys: "I'm about to end your whole career!"
@leithr
@leithr Год назад
This is a great video! I do enjoy riding on Dutch trains, although I agree they are usually dirty and oddly slow by European standards. I love the sound those VIRM units make when they are pulling out of the station.
@RH-ro3sg
@RH-ro3sg Год назад
In this particular case, I think the train stops at too many stations and is taking a bit of a circuitous route in order to serve as many (larger) places as possible. The high speed train he mentions at the end is significantly faster, but most of the time gain is not because of much a higher top speed (it only goes 160 kmh or so), but because of taking a more direct route with fewer stops.
@martijnkeisers5900
@martijnkeisers5900 Год назад
Amsterdam is the only capital of the Netherlands. The Hague is the seat of government and where the Royal Court is.
@ulvesparker
@ulvesparker Год назад
I LOVE those old, grand, train stations in Europe. The Amsterdam and Copenhagen stations are my favourites as they combined the old building with all the modern conveniences. I feel like I am in a Humphrey Bogart movie.
@paulkroon4931
@paulkroon4931 Год назад
Then you should also look at Haarlem. Inside is the actual old wooden station from the first iteration. There are first, second AND third class waiting areas in their original setup. Den Haag HS (Hollands Spoor) is also quite interesting as it is monumental with its high roof with its special ventilation which dates back from the coals fired steaming period.
@teaser6089
@teaser6089 Год назад
Heerlen has a really nice station, it isn't an old one, but they build a very beautiful station building with shops and even apartments around the station all in the same style.
@TheSuperappelflap
@TheSuperappelflap 8 месяцев назад
Amsterdam objectively is the ugliest train station in the country, on the inside. It only looks good from out front. There are train stations that havent been renovated since world war 2 that look better.
@thebigskyguy
@thebigskyguy 5 месяцев назад
Go see the main station in Leipzig, Germany. I think it's the largest in Europe. Very grand, imposing.
@ICANanimations
@ICANanimations Год назад
I thought the comments where harsh but fair. NS should get their act together and show some of our dutch pride.
@SuperalbsTravels
@SuperalbsTravels Год назад
I hope they do! 😊
@plonss
@plonss Год назад
As a Dutchman (living abroad) I sometimes pity NS. They have some pretty horrible customers, who litter the carriages and leave graffiti on the toilets. As since Covid times the NS struggle with a lack of staff and financial problems, the problem got only worse.
@rickyspanish4792
@rickyspanish4792 Год назад
Public transport needs to be nationalized, then these problems don't exist anymore.
@plonss
@plonss Год назад
@@rickyspanish4792 I agree
@mikmik9034
@mikmik9034 Год назад
First I remember hearing of it. Here. Are those glass doors, Filthy, or a safety feature design? Seems as if One Carriage on each trains is heavily graffitied? Why?
@wxcferdts
@wxcferdts Год назад
As your pronunciation of foreign station and city names in other videos is usually top notch and surprisingly good (from Russian to Japanese to German), I was a bit surprised to hear you struggle with Dutch (you actually make it sound too German), and as a Flemish Belgian (Dutch being my native tongue) I'm forced to conclude that Dutch must be a particular difficult language to master phonetically. Still, my admiration holds for you, a Brit, even trying to get foreign sounds down pat!
@boostio2720
@boostio2720 Год назад
Yeah It sounds more german than anything
@teaser6089
@teaser6089 Год назад
Most English speakers fall for the German trap when trying to speak Dutch, cause they presume that us being next to Germany and having a Germanic language, it must just sound like Germany with slightly different words. In reality of course Dutch and German sound around as different as French does from English.
@wxcferdts
@wxcferdts Год назад
Good point, but your final remark isn't. I'm a Dutch speaker AND German teacher, and although both languages differ significantly, they are mutually intelligible to about 25, 30%, something which can in no way be said of English and French (which I also teach and/or taught).@@teaser6089
@7Coolpablo
@7Coolpablo Год назад
Dutch has a weird pronunciation sometimes. Howevert the conversion to Laan van "Nieuw Oosteinde" is very funny to me as a dutch person. It sounds more like belgium town of Oostende, but is meant to be a link to east indies.
@yagi3925
@yagi3925 Год назад
The Dutch trains are not as great as everyone would have us believe. It's largely self-conscious Dutch propaganda.
@markusstudeli2997
@markusstudeli2997 Год назад
Small wonder the NS were among the first companies to introduce double decker EMUs on their intercity network: It makes perfect sense to have these type of high capacity trains connecting the many cities in this densely populated country. They look and feel a bit dated though by now. Easy level access should be provided for passengers on wheelchairs, with child carriages or bikes. Given the fact that they are still being upgraded, the Dutch will have to live with them for quite a while still. I'm definitely happy though that I can commute on a KISS instead of a VIRM.
@lucasdeleeuw1417
@lucasdeleeuw1417 Год назад
Honestly the problem for bikes and wheelchairs is solved much better than in alot of other countries. In the netherlands the difference in height between the station and the train is extremely small and between every carriage of the the double decker, there is a little space on the same level (no stairs needed) exlusive for bike parking and or wheelchairs. Too bad this wasnt really shown in the video
@bunch_of_numbers
@bunch_of_numbers Год назад
​@lucasdeleeuw1417 still even level boarding on interecities like they have on sprinters would be nice. Especially on the ICM units the boarding can be a hassle+ the automatic interior doors are awful
@teaser6089
@teaser6089 Год назад
I absolutely love the VIRM, especially the modernized new ones, the one shown in the video is a very old model that is being phased out
@mitchystuff
@mitchystuff Год назад
@@lucasdeleeuw1417 thats most likely in sprinters, the inter citys dont have that and you either have to call for a ramp that they do have, or you just carry it in. Ive helped countless times already carrying a childrens carrage with a child still in it haha.
@lucasdeleeuw1417
@lucasdeleeuw1417 Год назад
@@mitchystuff ye i have to admit i made that comment having only used the VIRM intercities (which have level boarding), but have since also made use of the icd and koploper, which indeed have horrible boarding. The new icngs are pretty good tho i think and im pretty sure virm is used the most on some of the busiest routes.
@jb7630
@jb7630 11 месяцев назад
Funny how everybody acts like he just got “unlucky” with a shitty train , while reality is that almost all the train are late , dirty and pretty shitty overal and on top of that pretty much always so full you can’t even sit down
@disslikedaan9532
@disslikedaan9532 Год назад
Would love to see more video’s from the Netherlands!
@tvm73827
@tvm73827 Год назад
What a disgusting train. After years in Japan I feel Europe is back in Medieval times.
@stan.rarick8556
@stan.rarick8556 Год назад
In 1986 I spent a few weeks on the SNCF with a Rural pass, which gave me first class privileges but I preferred Second class because the people were much more interesting
@markdebreet4173
@markdebreet4173 11 месяцев назад
Op 8:15 wordt beweerd dat er Nederland actieve vulkanen zijn. Dat lijkt mij een bijzondere bewering...... At 8:15 it is claimed that there are active volcanoes in the Netherlands. That seems like a strange statement to me...
@Abnerbandanovotempoinscrito1mi
Muito lindo trem gostei
@rogeriomonteiro760
@rogeriomonteiro760 Год назад
Mas o autor não gostou!
@badcompany.941
@badcompany.941 Год назад
Little error at 9:03. There's precisely one capital city in the Netherlands and the Hague (den Haag) is not it.
@johumm455
@johumm455 Год назад
The whole Dutch railways train fleet drives on 100% green energy!
@JesseKuiper
@JesseKuiper Год назад
Mostly. This count for all elelectric trains but there are still some regional trains in the more sparsely populated areas that run on diesel.
@marten73
@marten73 Год назад
Which is greenwashing bullshit. How do trains keep going if there's no wind or sun?
@cactus_cuber1589
@cactus_cuber1589 Год назад
The Swedish trains are is SOOOOO much better, cheaper and a lot fancier
@hhuhu6995
@hhuhu6995 Год назад
My personal experience with those trains is pretty much the same. I don't know why they are so famous. Every time I used on off them, they were dirty. The tables are flimsy and not really useable. I also found them quite uncomfortable (in second class) and loud. The German Dosto (most of the time Bombardier Twindexx) in comparison are a lot cleaner and more comfortable especially for longer journeys. They also have their downsides like a table that is even less useable than the one in Virm. But overall, I would always try to get another train.
@aviateedits
@aviateedits Год назад
NS operates a wide variety of VIRMs, and has refurbished some multiple times, while others not at all. The brand new refurbished ones, which you can tell because of the new "Flow" livery, are much nicer than the old ones like he is traveling on in this video. It can be a hit or miss
@Neville60001
@Neville60001 Год назад
@@aviateedits, it shouldn't be _anything_ *_but_* a hit or a miss, especially with regards to cleanliness.
@zephyros256
@zephyros256 Год назад
In regards to the noise aspect. In general, newer designed and built trains are much quieter than older trains, in part due to riders preferring this and it being possible to assign more design space to this. However, it is very difficult to significantly improve the noise of a train set after it has been built, refurbishing isually has only a limited impact. There has been a lot of improvement on that regard on since 1991 when the VIRM was first built (all later desings, VIRM 1 through 4, are built on the same base) and when the Bombardier Twindexx was first built. Also easy to experiemce when riding the much newer SNG and ICNG.
@ZambiblasianOgre
@ZambiblasianOgre Год назад
Lol, in my experience these trains are anything but loud. They're some of the quietest trains I've ridden on.
@htimsid
@htimsid Год назад
Of course the basic cause of unclean trains / toilets is that so many PASSENGERS are unable / unwilling to respect public spaces!
@SuperalbsTravels
@SuperalbsTravels Год назад
Sadly so... :(
@PeterApps
@PeterApps Год назад
Considering the rest of the Dutch infrastructure, it's surprising NS is not particularly bike friendly. The stations are good, but I struggle to get mine onto intercity trains., because of the steep steps. Luckily, the Dutch are kind people and I always get help, and when I can, I use the Sprinter. However, I thoroughly enjoyed my trip to Den Helder, admiring the tulip fields from the top deck.
@nibuanad
@nibuanad Год назад
NS might not be particularly bike-friendly because bikes take up much more space than paying commuters AND because there is a very solid bike rental system OV-fiets in place at stations all across the network. It is intended that passengers use the OV-fiets (or a second-hand bike) at their destination and not eat up valuable commuter space by taking their bike on the train.
@PeterApps
@PeterApps Год назад
@@nibuanad Agreed, but.I still pay €7.50 for my bike and my comment also applies to anyone who is infirm enough to struggle on stairs.
@crytocc
@crytocc Год назад
@@PeterApps Accessibility certainly is a real problem here, also on many bus services.
@kaelon9170
@kaelon9170 Год назад
@@PeterApps It's a function of capacity unfortunately. Steeper stairs means there's more space for an extra row of seats as well as space for standing passengers when the train is packed full. The stairs do have a railing though, does the railing not help you get up them?
@PeterApps
@PeterApps Год назад
@@kaelon9170 An ebike carrying panniers gets heavier and I'm getting older. I can manage but I travelled on a Finnish double decker a couple of weeks ago. No stairs to board though I didn't have a bike, but it was so much easier getting my case on. I like the Sprinter trains because I don't feel as if I'm holding up the train while I struggle.
@Rockstone1969
@Rockstone1969 Год назад
@9.16 mins: Laan van Nieuw Oost-Indië... not Oosteinde. Oosteinde is a city in Belgium, Nieuw Oost-Indië is a Dutch reference to present day Indonesia (you're off by half a planet). Also: Den Haag is a provincial capital, like there are 11 others. Its not a national capital, that is only Amsterdam. Which is not a provincial capital.
@SuperalbsTravels
@SuperalbsTravels Год назад
Oops! Thanks for the help. :)
@SebastianD334
@SebastianD334 Год назад
I’d highly recommend taking a VIRMm1, they’re much nicer in my experience, they have a nicer interior and exterior, and they also tend to be a bit cleaner inside, but most of the dirtiness comes from the strong staff shortage NS has been facing for quite a few years now
@SuperalbsTravels
@SuperalbsTravels Год назад
Hopefully my next ride will be on the newer one! :)
@daanbos5918
@daanbos5918 11 месяцев назад
Imo second class on these trains is more comfortable that first class Second class is literally just first class but better and cleaner
@SuperalbsTravels
@SuperalbsTravels 11 месяцев назад
Wow, I'll be sure to remember that...
@DJTrainBrain
@DJTrainBrain Год назад
I think these are actually the more comfortable VIRM's, seat-wise. The 1st class seats on the refurbished ones have harder cushioning material, especially on the downright uncomfortable Flow sets. Also, fair choice picking the lower deck for the larger windows, but you did miss a common complaint because of that: the train sways a lot from side to side. It's not as noticeable on the lower deck, but it's certainly a tad uncomfortable on the upper deck. I'm really curious as to what you'd think of the ICNG. I seem to hold the unpopular opinion of it still being a glorified regional train (although not a particularly bad one at that). With most of the Dutch audience, they're incredibly popular. But I think it's a step down comfort-wise, compared to the Koploper, especially in second class. The seat backs there are too upright for a long-distance train, the first-class recline is nice but has only two options, and the suspension, while okay, is somewhat stiff and nudgy. So while okay(-ish?), it still feels like they got it somewhat on the cheap to me.
@Sheekkie1
@Sheekkie1 Год назад
Who the hell uses the toilet on an NS train? Your next stop is 5 minutes😝
@Thomas_TdK
@Thomas_TdK Год назад
why do all these reviewers get the rare old ones that aren't renovated yet
@cheeta92
@cheeta92 Год назад
The station Laan van Nieuw Oost-Indië is sadly not official spelled this way by the Netherlands Railways, in the station it's spelled Laan van NOI. The longest name on the network is Leeuwarden Camminghaburen.
@Gerrie_de_B.
@Gerrie_de_B. Год назад
In that way Den Haag HS is also Den Haag Hollands Spoor.
@heckintosh2994
@heckintosh2994 Год назад
Another big problem is first class. There's too much first class.
@SuperalbsTravels
@SuperalbsTravels Год назад
True, nobody was in there with me! 😅
@weetikissa
@weetikissa Год назад
You can’t really review Amsterdam Centraal and NS without checking out the under-canal bike parking. Half of all Dutch train passengers arrive to the station by bike and NS runs their own city bike system so the bike is a very integral part of the transit system.
@TheSuperappelflap
@TheSuperappelflap 8 месяцев назад
Yes, and that bike parking was a nightmare, it took years to build and cost a shocking amount of money. Of course the project went over budget and over time because its a government project. They could have simply closed a few lanes of road and built a normal bike parking on that space, like at every other train station in the country, but its Amsterdam and people cant do anything normal there, it always has to be unnecessarily flashy and expensive. Built with my tax money of course.
@lenn8071
@lenn8071 Год назад
Den Haag isn’t a capital, it’s the government place, Amsterdam is the capital
@SuperalbsTravels
@SuperalbsTravels Год назад
Thanks!
@sud9320
@sud9320 Год назад
Kanker trein
@Tramspected101
@Tramspected101 Год назад
great video but you did misprounce some words
@maxverschuren6858
@maxverschuren6858 Год назад
It's not Den Haag Laan van Nieuw Oosteinde rather Oostindië.
@SGtravelsEU
@SGtravelsEU Год назад
It's actially Laan van Nieuw Oost-Indië ;)
@ilannghost6306
@ilannghost6306 Год назад
I'm now on vacation with the train and tomorrow i'm going on the train from prague to krakow it's 7 hours on a train. wtf. and i've been on this train and it's so good. also 1 of the most wows i've said on a train ride was from dresden to prague. the hole ride is next to a river and mountains
@svenuleman
@svenuleman Год назад
Yes so the ICNG, now they are still new.
@thebigmarvinski
@thebigmarvinski Год назад
Can you use the chipcard to travel between Amsterdam and Rotterdam?
@arnoldpalthe3915
@arnoldpalthe3915 5 месяцев назад
yes you can. It's valid all over the country, be it NS or some other company like Arriva
@djunggaming
@djunggaming Год назад
Hi man, could you please try the cityElefant trains in Czechia? (For example the S7 line from Prague Central to Beroun)
@TheLookOf
@TheLookOf Год назад
Sadly all Dutch public transport is filthy. Buses too. And that has been so for long.
@SuperalbsTravels
@SuperalbsTravels Год назад
It's such a shame! :(
@TurdBoi-tf5lf
@TurdBoi-tf5lf Год назад
Not really
@samtrak1204
@samtrak1204 Год назад
Visitors can't access the shops and food offering in Amsterdam Central without a ticket?
@MeneerEnMevrouwTrein
@MeneerEnMevrouwTrein Год назад
Yep.
@nibuanad
@nibuanad Год назад
Correct, except for the Amstelpassage which has no access to platforms and is thus not blocked by gatelines. If I recall correctly it only houses very expensive stores though.
@avivlavli
@avivlavli 11 месяцев назад
I have been travelling the past few months from Tilburg to Haarlem 3x per week and have to say during peak hours trains are stamped and yeah they aren’t the cleanest but it is fine. The new faster Intercity is very nice and pretty clean most of the time but people don’t always throw there rubbish away in the trash bins that are located near the exits instead of everywhere
@Brinta3
@Brinta3 10 месяцев назад
@avivlavli I don’t think ‘stamped’ can be used in that meaning, but perhaps there’s an English person here who can tell.
@Iris_and_or_George
@Iris_and_or_George Год назад
6:51 They used to have cleaners go through the train at every end station, this was cut to cut costs, now it's down to only at the end of a day on many lines.
@for_wil1262
@for_wil1262 Год назад
Bro is serieus aan het klagen over alles 😂
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