YouTube Admits Subscriptions Don't Matter All That Much...

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00:00 - Intro & Supporter Thank Yous
00:46 - RU-vid Liason on Subscriptions
05:17 - Thumbnail Impressions vs. Subscribers
06:58 - Desktop Subscriber Tab
08:17 - Mobile Subscription Tab
10:36 - TV Interface Subscription Tab
12:11 - How I use an RSS Reader as an alternative to the subs tab
13:55 - Topic Based Sorting
14:18 - My Email list
15:48 - Conclusion
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@LonSeidman 12 дней назад

In summation, your honor: 1. If you're writing to comment that the sub tab working for you, great. But the number of people using the tab is declining likely because it isn't working for them. 2. This is not a complaint about declining views but rather thumbnail impressions. Clicking the subscribe button doesn't mean what RU-vid viewers think it means. RU-vid's AI decides what you're really subscribed to. 3. Giving users more control over the subscription tab by providing some filtering and sorting options would go a long way to making things better for everyone.

@Code7Unltd 12 дней назад

The thumbnails are the reason that Sponsorblock's developer made the addon DeArrow. It's a title/thumbnail replacer made to describe videos in more honest detail.

@jimcabezola3051 12 дней назад

I had no idea about the whys and wherefores... I'm glad I'm subscribed to YOU. You can explain all this very well. Please...stay a space nerd, too. I like watching you on NASA Spaceflight as well. Much aloha to you!

@johnvillalovos 12 дней назад

Regarding: "1. If you're writing to comment that the sub tab working for you, great. But the number of people using the tab is declining likely because it isn't working for them." I can't help but think it isn't in your best interest to write this. As this makes it more likely that people who wanted to comment about that case won't comment. And the fewer comments this video has than probably less likely RU-vid is to recommend this video. So by adding a comment that sort of preempts the comments that might happen might be working against your goal of more views. Just a thought.

@LonSeidman 12 дней назад

@@johnvillalovos I just want them to fix the problem! :)

@benfreeman6175 12 дней назад

It's a mess... I have maybe five channels I watch almost 100% of what they upload... you among them... it's SUPER hit or miss if I see your videos. I've also noticed that if you have different sub channels like LTT (short circuit, tech quickie, etc.) They don't show up under the main channel anymore...

@LordofBacon42 12 дней назад

The problem with the Home feed is that it's practically unusable. The other day I watched a video from a tech channel about him restoring an Australian car, it was a one-off video on this guys channel and it was pretty cool. RU-vid then decided that my Home feed needed to be entirely dedicated to this one particular brand of car, even though the video didn't really emphasize it that much. Any time you want to watch something outside of the algorithm, it overcorrects so hard that it believes that one thing you just watched is your new passion. I often have to open a video in a Private tab with ad-block just to see if it's interesting.

@Jabid21 12 дней назад

Now, search doesn’t work either. I have to search on Google to find the video I’m looking for. RU-vid search works like one or two videos that has the keywords then it’s a whole lot of shorts then, recommended videos from feed that has nothing to do with the search terms.

@RicPerrott 12 дней назад

@@LordofBacon42 I agree that this is frustrating. I go to my history and remove those videos from my watch history. That usually retunes the algorithm to remove those related videos

@jothain 12 дней назад

Yes. I watch quite a bit of different things on YT. Like IT related, woodworking, etc. Anyway things that are way different. Right now YT seems to decide that if I watch few woodworking related vids it spams my feed fully of them and vise versa. Then there's like Pixel thing channel I wouldn't like to miss any vids and no matter how I select its subscribe button it virtually never shows its latest content.

@marks-the-spot 12 дней назад

@@RicPerrott I delete items from history often and it does a pretty good job of getting my feed realigned to my interests.

@jothain 9 дней назад

@@marks-the-spot interesting. Might try this one.

@StenIsaksson 12 дней назад

I almost never use the main page of RU-vid because it's based on the videos you already watched, not your subs. I always use the sub "tab" to get the videos from the people I sub to. Works fine for me and the videos are ordered by the time and date they are uploaded. Live streams will always show at the top and below them comes the uploaded videos.

@LonSeidman 12 дней назад

As far as I can see it does show 100% of the videos but it's a firehose. If you have a lot of subscriptions (especially news channels) single uploads often get buried.

@CantankerousDave 12 дней назад

@@LonSeidmanI have 150 or 175 subscriptions and have no trouble finding anything. My displays all show four thumbnails per row under Subscriptions, while yours have three. That would equate to a lot more scrolling down, I guess.

@brekibreki 12 дней назад

@@LonSeidman I guess the solution is to not subscribe to channels that produce a large daily quantity of videos. The whole point of subscriptions is for the users to be able to find and follow channels more easily, dumping tens of videos in one go defeats that.

@corduroy99 11 дней назад

same here OP

@dnwheeler 11 дней назад

I often use the Subscriptions list further down on the left side. That lets me see who has uploaded videos recently (by the dot beside the channel name) and I can easily click on the channels to see what's new. I have well over 200 subscriptions, many of which only post fewer than one video a week, so the firehose is useless.

@johnvillalovos 12 дней назад

One of the reasons that I use my subscriptions tab as my main way of watching content. I always go there first and once I have finished watching the ones that look interesting I then go to my feed. But I don't subscribe to channels which post many videos a day. So for me in a 24 hour period there are maybe 100 new videos to scroll through.

@graysonpeddie 12 дней назад

I also use the subscription tab as well to see all the latest videos I'm interested in before I go to the Home tab. Granted, I don't watch news on RU-vid. If I subscribe to a new channel, I'm afraid the latest videos that I might be interested in might get buried. This is especially when it comes to let's plays/commentaries of video games.

@Jedi71 12 дней назад

Exactly. I go straight to my sub tab every time I launch YT. Why would anyone expect the Home page to act like the Sub tab???

@HyphyHippo 4 дня назад

Yeah I pretty much exclusively do this. I only watch new creators when searching for something or if I see them referred to from another creator, a friend, etc.

@nrnoble 12 дней назад

On my wish list is to Ignore a specific channel that keep getting thrown on my home page.

@woofinu 12 дней назад

You can already do that. Under a recommended video, click on the 3 dots. You will see "not interested" (in that specific video) and "don't recommend channel" (which removes that channel from recommendations forever).

@alimaleki217 12 дней назад

You’re right about the Subscriptions tab, Lon; it’s a huge mess. It wouldn’t matter too much if the recommendations worked properly. I sometimes see the same video recommended every day for almost a week. Yet I rarely see videos from channels I subscribe to.

@riy0h 12 дней назад

When I watch one or two videos on a new topic, RU-vid decides that's all I want to see and it's like 50% that topic even if I tell RU-vid I'm not interested. I have to go and delete the watched video. It seems like subscriptions barely even matter unless you watch almost everything they upload. Plenty of channels, even ones that I watch(ed) a lot have gone complete radio silence even though the creator is uploading regularly. I wonder if RU-vid is weighting what they show you for monetization first.

@alliejr 12 дней назад

IKR… the magic “algorithm” is clearly simplistic and naive.

@ashchbkv6965 12 дней назад

funnily enough youtube recommended THIS video on my homepage, this is the first from your channel in a really really really long time

@MichaelScrip 12 дней назад

In desktop Chrome on my PC I've started bookmarking my favorite creators. And I've sorted all the bookmarks into categories. So when I sit down and I'm in the mood for tech news... I can open all those creators' channel pages in separate tabs to find something to watch. Same for automotive channels, audio/video (like Curtis Judd!), photography, etc. It's a manual process... but it works for me on the desktop. Though on my iPhone or iPad I'm usually just looking for something quick to watch. So I typically just scroll through the algorithmic feed on those devices. 😎

@marcberm 12 дней назад

Something I've noticed as of late, as someone who doesn't use notifications and does most of my YT viewing on a computer. I got used to just looking for the little dot signifying new content next to the channel name on the left side of the screen. It used to be that when you clicked the "more" link at the bottom of your list, you were shown an exhaustive list of your subs, but now it only maximizes to show some number of them, leaving the rest "below the fold" as it were. The only place to see them is on the subscriptions page, and even then, there is no dot to signify new content on the subs page. Very frustrating.

@Code7Unltd 12 дней назад

The problem with RU-vid is that the subscription feed is based on niche categories that the computerized recommendation system thinks you like at the moment. However, the instant you discover another niche (mistakably or otherwise), your homepage is going to get inundated with videos from that category. Now, the question arises, and is true for almost any social media platform (not just RU-vid). What's it with the social media industry and being averse to chronological timelines?

@robichag 12 дней назад

my subscription feed is only my subscriptions. And they are always all there. I dont understand how people "miss" videos.

@GregM 12 дней назад

@@robichag Same here. My subscription page is only those channels that I subscribed to.

@HamRadioDX 12 дней назад

I'm honored to be a part of your RSS feed Lon. I followed the posts over on X - and I agree 100% with you. The subscriptions feed is busted - as are notifications. I'm subscribed to you with full notifications, none disabled on my device, yet only saw this video on the homepage - quite possibly because I've followed you on this topic. Thanks for calling this out and hopefully we see RU-vid come up with a better feature set for subscribers.

@taokodr 12 дней назад

I turned off watch history about a year ago, and subscription is thusly my primary "home" feed. Maybe it's just me, but I feel like RU-vid's attempt at "punishing" me with this whole "Your watch history is off" thing is a total failure on their part. If they had a better tool for blocking channels I *DO NOT* want to go to, *especially* in their searching tools, then maybe I'd feel they were making the effort at being less consumer hostile. For some reason, YT seems to think large marketshare = loyalty. Folks will start jumping ship once they find their niche requirements. And there goes your ad dollars. Fix it, RU-vid!

@tyrgoossens 11 дней назад

Same. Subscriptions tab is the "best of the worst" (tm) out of ways to use youtube.

@SecretAgentSuperDragon 12 дней назад

This is one reason why I've never used RU-vids home page. I bookmark my subscription page so it opens directly to that and have done so since the beginning. All my videos show up in order from all the creators I subscribe to. On mobile I do the same with a modified version of RU-vid. The homepage is filled with crap I don't care about, this way I avoid the clutter and see only the stuff I care about. Every day I will go through the videos my creators upload and mark the ones I'm interested in as "save to watch later". I've rolled this way for 15 years or more.

@kuyache2 12 дней назад

It MATTERS so much to me, it keeps me watching most of their video uploads everyday on the subscription tab! When I get tired of a channel (rare occasion) I Unsubscribe. I NEVER click any notification bell. I only go to homepage when I have exhausted/consumed the newest uploads on my subscription page to look for new/fresh content. For example I kept subscribe to Green Ham Gaming TV even when that dude went dormant for years before focusing back on youtube, or to Jermgaming even when he has not made a new video in 3 years or more! I just think they have personal lives to take care of and deserves some time off or they found other careers. When we click the Subscription tab we should see all the uploads of channels we are subscribed to chronologically, youtube shouldn't mess with our programmed list! When I watch video topics that I dont want youtube bombarding me with, right click open in INCOGNITO or on another browser that is not logged in!

@KregSteppe 12 дней назад

As a podcaster, I actually only use the Subscription tab and bookmarked it in my browser. I figured I subscribe to a channel, I expect to find it there. Only the last few months I have been exploring the Home tab.

@Weeem 12 дней назад

That's interesting, but this explains why I see everything. My YT bookmark is to the /feed/subscription link so I always see what my channels have uploaded. After I've gone through that I'll go to the home link to see some random stuff. But, if I see a subbed channel video in the home link then I mark it "Don't recommend Channel" because I use the home link to browse random videos I might want to check out. Showing me what I've already subbed to on there is (for me) pointless as I'll have already seen it. Well, that's how I do it anyway... I should note that I use an extension (Ublock) to clean up the YT site (hide shorts, clean up the sidebar etc), so it make it a much cleaner interface - similar to old YT.

@Vern_Levine 12 дней назад

I almost exclusively use the subscriptions tab to view videos and haven't missed anything - unless I decide to not watch it at that time. What's annoying is if I miss so0mething a day or two before and I want to watch it, scrolling to find it can be very frustrating. The home page is useless though because it just feeds you based on what you've most recently watched. It's more annoying than anything else. And looking at channels you're subscribed too IS A pain - which is why I rarely bother with it.

@TransCanadaPhil 12 дней назад

I always wished RU-vid had some kind of sub-folder system to manage your subscriptions, so I could organize youtubers by topic. Putting gaming related subs in a group, politics in anothet, Computing, History, Space Exploration, etc. Then you could go into rach group and see all the new videos posted by all the youtubers in that group or drill down individually, the click on another group to look at and list the videos for that group, etc

@the_beefy1986 12 дней назад

My RU-vid time is defined by my subscribtions page. I only go to the home tab when there's nothing else to watch.

@callmemarc 12 дней назад

I always use the Subscriptions feed myself but it does have some big problems. What I encounter most often is that I may not be on RU-vid for a few days so I have a long feed to get caught up on. I have to keep the feed open in my browser and then make sure that I right click on each video and open it in a separate tab. If I just click on each video and then go back, the page starts back at the top of the feed. Even worse is when I leave my browser open on the feed to come back to later and Windows has decided to do an auto restart for updates, so I lose my place in the feed and have to keep scrolling down to find where I left off. There needs to be a way to keep track of where you left off in the feed and to have the videos sorted oldest to newest from that point. Also the feed on the mobile app refreshes itself if I am casting videos to my TV and starts me back at the top constantly.

@Mr2Reviews 11 дней назад

Am I the only one that watches videos almost exclusively from my notifications tab? I scroll down to where I left off and right click and open a new tab so I don't have to keep clicking the bell and scrolling down to where I left off. Wish they had an auto play feature so it plays the next video automatically instead of me going back to my initial tab and scrolling up to play the next video until I've caught up on all my notifications.

@Docfly62 12 дней назад

So true re Curtis Judd and many others. His vids hardly ever go to my recommended home page. Oft-times some of the recommended videos are so random. I utilize the "do not recommend channel" often, but the algorithm still sends stuff to that has baffled me for yrs. Thanks Ron for the explanation of what many of us suspected anyway. BTW I would not purchase an audio product for filmmaking without watching Curtis' take on it

@MikeNovelli 12 дней назад

I almost exclusively watch RU-vid thru the subscriptions tab or by adding notifications to the Watch Later playlist. I also wish they would allow the Watch Later playlist to have more than 5,000 videos. Subscriptions will always matter to those who use them.

@MikeNovelli 12 дней назад

I also still receive notifications and videos from Curtis so... 🤷🏼‍♂️

@briandonegan8480 12 дней назад

They don't. In fact if you subscribe to a channel you see less of it via the algorithm

@drumboy02 12 дней назад

I do not believe that the subscriptions tab is a chronological feed of EVERY channel I am subscribed to

@CaptainCaveman1170 11 дней назад

I am sure it was at some point.

@drumboy02 10 дней назад

@@CaptainCaveman1170 my assumption is that the algorithm rewards channels that upload frequently/consistently, I believe many youtubers will testify to this. so if a channel misses a regular upload or views start to dwindle for whatever reason that channel gets relegated.

@OzonebxGaming 12 дней назад

RU-vid home feed is the wild west. They send you what ever they want and ignore subs

@SonicGT73 12 дней назад

Interesting info. I didn’t even know the home page showed my subscriptions. I only use the subscriptions tab to look for content I want to view. I do scroll through the subscriptions feed until I come across a video I’ve seen to know I’m caught up. I do unsub from channels I don’t watch anymore to keep my feed managable

@IMDABROWN 12 дней назад

Funny thing is once or twice a year I go through all my subscriptions just see what I missed, does the channel still post or is the channel still relevant.

@_GarethRossUK 12 дней назад

I use an add-on that skips the homepage and directs me to only the subscription page. Personally I think everything is displayed to me, at least I hope so. But I don't see the recommendation box which appears to be an advantage.

@jacobmendez 11 дней назад

Kind of shocked that no one has created a third party app for this. Imagine if you could have collections of subscriptions…favorites and ones YOU can curate and customize for channels that fall under specific topics of interest like technology, music, news, video production, woodworking, gaming, etc… it’s almost like creating smart playlists of your favorite creators that would make it much easier to keep up with depending on what you’re feeling like watching that day. This way you can have your overall subscription tab, but then when you’re feeling like you want to get caught up with news you care about, you can go over to that tab and scroll through creators you’ve subscribed to who can give you relevant news based on your interests. This seems like a no brainer.

@cjc363636 12 дней назад

EDIT: I had no idea about YT still using RSS. I'll definitely check into that! ..... I use tab groups and bookmark folders for 'firehose' channels that otherwise would clutter up my subs tab. Of course the issue is that only works on a browser and not the YT mobile app. But you are right, Lon, YT has messed up the subs functionality. Hope they fix it!

@andrewlhoover 11 дней назад

I only use the sub tab now. I turned off my history (and subsequently ad recommendations) and as punishment, I no longer have a home page. When I go to it, I'm met with the message "Your watch history is off. You can change your setting at any time to get the latest videos tailored to you. Learn more" So, I've been weening off of youtube. I removed all subscriptions for channels that I rarely watch anymore and also removed all subs for channels I can get from other locations like from their site/other social media or Nebula. These days, I don't use youtube as television as you say. I only use youtube for finding how-to or reviews of things I am actively looking for or to keep up with about a dozen channels that I do find entertaining that are not found elsewhere.

@martyplaysgames 12 дней назад

Only use the subs tab, it's the only thing I have bookmarked and it seems to work fine for me even puts a blue dot on the channel when there's unwatched content. I'd like to be able to group into sub folders for content type though, and be able to disable shorts because why would I want to watch vertical video on a 55" OLED TV? And also because I have absolutely no interest in shorts.

@DuncanCunningham 12 дней назад

I did notice a big change about 2 months ago. I would search for videos and struggle to find them and see lots of videos that had nothing to do with the search that I'd carefully constructed. It would also show the same videos in the same terrible list repeating over and over making the list longer than it needed to be like I was accidentally missing the videos that I'd looked over and didnt want to see again. So I would open a video, find that it wasn't what I was looking for.. it would then think "oh you like that?" and give me more that instead of what I was still searching for. Also the home screen is so horrible that I sometimes think that I've not logged into RU-vid and then I just flick it to 'Subscriptions' and the annoying shorts that I DO NOT WANT to ever see are there. Sometime ago I managed to stop those but they switched those back on... no matter how much I said that I didn't like those. It also keeps switching back on autoplay on videos, which I do not want and I keep switching that off too.. and know this because they switch it back on again each time.. I want to stop using YT but I don't know where to go right now and start over finding the channels I like on another platform. YOu can even search for the exact name of a vid and it will still not find it and show you some real rubbish that I have no interest in. it now takes me way too long to find the videos I want to watch and now I think I'm spending less time on it.. enough to no longer pay for the premium service. cos there is no way I putting up this AND ads too

@BollingHolt 8 дней назад

Yep... I have one browser tab open that's just my RU-vid subscriptions, and I open the videos I want to watch in a new tab... Watch video, close tab, go back to subscription tab, etc... When I finally make it to the newest video and run out, I refresh the tab and scroll back down where I just finished, and repeat that. I've done that for years. I'm sure there is a better way, but at least I know I'm not missing any Lon videos this way ;)

@dansanger5340 12 дней назад

I've never been subscribed to you, but RU-vid recommends your videos to me all the time, probably because I watch them all the time. I have subscriptions that I never see recommended, probably because I lost interest in them and stopped watching them when recommended, and I'm too lazy to unsubscribe. I know creators hate the RU-vid algorithm, but it more or less works for people like me. It's good that RU-vid doesn't just recommend channels I'm subscribed to, otherwise I never would have discovered your channel and similar channels I enjoy.

@LonSeidman 12 дней назад

As mentioned in the video I think both approaches can work - but they constantly tweak the recommendations and have left the subs tab to rot.

@SocietyIsCollapsing 12 дней назад

I rarely even bother with the Homepage, other than to mark one or two as Watch Later. Then it's on to the Sub page, or my subscription categories in PocketTube.

@apalrdsadventures 9 дней назад

As a viewer, the sub tab doesn't work well. I feel like I need to open the sub tab at least once a day, maybe twice, just to make sure I don't miss anything. I'll add it to the Watch Later playlist (which I know is bad for RU-vid metrics), but then at least I don't forget about it. Search is pretty bad too, after about 3 results it devolves into the home feed again, completely unrelated to the search. Usually if I'm searching, it's because I want something specific that it hasn't already tried to show me.

@abunk8691 12 дней назад

For years now I've been using the Subscriptions tab/page of RU-vid as I never liked the Home feed. Home feed has always thrown random stuff at me with no relevance to things I watch. The recommendations under a video currently beign watched is no better. For example just earlier I was watching a Techmoan video and get recommendations for Indian or Arabic content. I don't watch those and I can't understand their language to know what those videos are about. So many of those instances are what makes YT recommedations and feed stink. Same with the ads I'm not from North Amerca or Europe and get served ads for things like Texas Intruments GaN technology, Indian Music videos, Toyota sponsored Olympic atheletes, Volvo & BMW Cars, etc. Nothing relevant to me. Back to the Subscriptions tab/page. Its horrible, particularly when it comes to community posts. Posts aren't there at all on Desktop and appear on the Home Feed, which I don't use since its not good and I have my watch history turned off (mostly because I get recommended channels that do topics relevant to me but I dislike said channels). The post from RU-vid Liaison you showed with not being served content if someone doesn't watch a channel's content much is also true for Community Posts. I don't see the Community Posts of some channels I subscribe to who infrequently upload. Even on the Posts section of Subscriptions they don't appear unless I go the channel specifically and look at their Community tab. I've missed so many announcements by channels this way and I still can't figure out why YT does it like that.

@abunk8691 12 дней назад

Relating to the stinker recommendations of content I don't even watch. The recommendations/suggestions I got while watching this video relate to things like China's torture devices, Donut Media failing, Amercian government power crisis, Germany & British economic crisis, Female actresses & characters in Star Wars franchise, Stanford Nobel Prize scandal, NBA, Corridor Crew reacts, crap quality Cars made in China, etc. Nothing relates to this video and none of those particularly interesting to me. 33 irrelevant (to me) videos below I finally see another video from you relating to the FCC Docket. It took me that many videos to get past to see more of your content.

@GregM 12 дней назад

Same here. Did not realized Community posts show up on the Home page. Oh well.

@stebst 10 дней назад

Had not seen your stuff for a long time I had to actually search you up for it to start recommending videos again.

@t.crow9531 12 дней назад

True, and I rarely see your video popping up. Thought no longer make videos but when I go over to your page, it seems active.

@Sega_is_all_i_cd 12 дней назад

Unfortunately to say a solution that seems to be fine w/ me is that I am only Subbed to about 20 to 30 of you content creators. That way the algorithm shows me all or I dont miss the 20 to 30 creators’ videos that I am subbed to and not even all the Creators upload frequently or at all. I only want to be subbed to great Content Creators and lets face it, there’s not that many out there. Lon is one of the greats!

@joemontana4370 12 дней назад

@@Sega_is_all_i_cd yes this is what I do too.

@rhekman 12 дней назад

I do use the Subscriptions page/tab probably 80% of the time when I'm browsing RU-vid, but Lon is right about it being sub-optimal in a lot of ways. I purposely avoid subscribing to certain channels like local news channels or tech conferences that post a whole block of videos at once to avoid them clogging up my feed. I find myself scrolling back (on desktop) A LOT and then just "open in new tab" until I've got a whole queue of videos to fill up the time I happen to have available.

@RichardsWorld 12 дней назад

Same here. I've been subscribed to him for years. I've used his videos to decide what mics and recorders to use.

@andicee8324 11 дней назад

I subscribed to you years ago and never really saw any of your videos, especially over the last few years. I somehow became unsubscribed to your channel and now I get loads of your videos in my feed. The homepage and feed algorithm is totally messed up anyway. I accidently clicked on a video, I did't even watch the video, next minute the feed is flooded with whatever topic the video was I accidently clicked on.

@RealityStudioLLC888 12 дней назад

I have to admit, I almost never use the sub tab anymore. There was a time I used to go there to see what's new but nowadays there are so many people making so much content that I just rely on RU-vid showing me what's new and of potential interest to me on the home page. That's been enough to satiate my need for content as of recent times.

@dpt17 12 дней назад

Sorry to hear you're having trouble here Lon. I got into the habit of just clicking on subscriptions tab as a way to keep up with whatever is new with the channels I follow ... and this is *mostly* manageable. I find that sometimes I miss videos if a channel posts multiple things in a day but by and large this works ok for me. BUT this only works because I am actively looking for it, and regularly keeping up on a day to day basis. I completely sympathize with you in that for a more casual or not-every-day user, your stuff could get buried in the firehouse that is the home feed and the subscriptions tab.

@annacurransmotherofmeghanc1841 12 дней назад

If you thought Google was a big company now could you just imagine how big they would be if they oporated using a normal business model??? One which is always working to improve their product for their customers.

@martyplaysgames 12 дней назад

They are - their customers are the people that pay to advertise on RU-vid.

@annacurransmotherofmeghanc1841 3 дня назад

@@martyplaysgames Yeah, well that sucks

@mjs28s 12 дней назад

Subs clearly don't matter, especially when I periodically find a channel in my subs that I didn't subscribe to. I check those by looking at their videos on their page and wouldn't you know it, not one video did I watch. RU-vid sub system is messed up. also love the random unsubscribes as well. RU-vids recommendations are also terrible. I constantly get videos I have already watched showing up as something I might want to see and channels / subject matter that I 'Not interested in' and 'do not recommend this channel' and I am still constantly getting hammered for those topics.

@BillCurnow 12 дней назад

This is why I've never gone to the RU-vid page and said "Dear Lord Algo, please show me a video that might pleaseth me". All RSS feeds for the channels I subscribe to feed directly into my reader for consumption. It's been years since I've actually visited the YT homepage.

@AABB-kh9eb 12 дней назад

Every new video upload to any of the channels that I watch regularly appear on my front page. I personally see no benefit in subscribing to any channels. It's all right there as soon as I open youtube. The only thing I miss out on are live streams. But if I need to be notified that somebody's gone live, I'm probably busy doing something else anyway

@cacophony6963 12 дней назад

I see the problem from your perspective as a content creator. You can no way to control how users use the app and they may miss your videos as a result. But as a user I see no problem. Any user that is bothered by missing content from a particular creator has a couple obvious solutions: periodically checking the Sub tab or periodically checking the channel's page. For me personally, I only subscribe to channels where I actually watch the majority of the content (eg. 70%+). Because of this my subscription list is only about 40 channels, which ends up providing a few hours of content per day. This makes my Sub tab completely manageable and is my primary way to browse. If I see anything I want to put off watching till later I'll add it to my "Watch Later" list. Easy and convenient. I don't understand the point of subscribing to huge number of different channels if you're only watching a small percentage, especially if you're bothered by missing content from certain channels.

@LonSeidman 12 дней назад

I'm frustrated both as a viewer and a creator. For those who have a large number of subscriptions the sub feed just is not working.

@SoloGuitar1000 12 дней назад

Am I missing something here? Isn't that what the notification bell is for - to let you know a channel you've subscribed to has a new video?

@LonSeidman 12 дней назад

Notifications don't work as they come out when the video is posted- not necessarily when I'm around to watch them.

@What-is-Faith 12 дней назад

Finally enough, I have not seen one of your videos since I had subscribe only today. This is the first time I’ve seen one of your videos after I subscribed months ago.

@howardcobb4992 10 дней назад

if you are watching a video, click on the save after you click on the three dots then a playlist popin shows up then add a playlist and lastly checkmark the playlist added and repeat for new videos. this video is added to the LON GUY AND ANTENNAMAN playlist.

@werecow68 12 дней назад

Wow, I have several of the same channels subscribed as you Lon, including Steve Lehto. His admin reading a funny comment at the end is awesome.

@MattCommand1 11 дней назад

I agree that Subscriptions are a mess. As a viewer, it is terrible that we have few ways to sort or prioritize channels. There are channels I am forced to unsubscribe to because Subscription management as a viewer is such a mess.

@SuperNicktendo 12 дней назад

As a viewer I clean up my sub feed every now and then. I also try to only sub to channels I know I’ll watch consistently. As a creator I try not to chase trends because if isn’t a topic related to what people are initially subbed for, it’ll flop and you have to hope that the topic is popular enough to reach people. But these tech companies are so obsessed with keeping you on the platform because if they gave you a choice, you’d only watch for a couple hours and do something else. That’s why shorts are so appealing. You can waste several hours of watching and not notice it.

@geoffstrickler 4 дня назад

Renee is correct, I’ve noticed in my own feed, that the feed show more content from channels I’ve watched recently. Mostly that works, but it’s got issues. If I watch one video, or maybe a few videos from one channel, then I’ll see more videos from that channel and other similar channels and fewer from channels I actually subscribe to. This is despite not subscribing to that new channel, where I saw 1 or more videos that were timely, but I don’t want to follow long term.

@woofinu 12 дней назад

I agree with the way RU-vid does it. The Subscriptions tab is for videos by channels I subscribe to, in chronological order. The Home tab is for recommendations. They are different and serve different purposes. I think that has several benefits. For viewers, they get exposed to things to watch that they did not know about previously. For creators, that brings them new viewers who may decide to subscribe. For example in the last few weeks, I have been interested in reviews of laptops with the new Qualcomm CPU. That was how I was steered to several of your laptop reviews, and to this video today. Without YT recommendations I would not have been aware of those videos.

@GrantLairdJr88 12 дней назад

I have stopped using an RSS reader since Google abandoned it. I am wondering if I need to start over by adding my favorite RSS links from every RU-vid creator. Is there a way to bulk import from my RU-vid subscription list to RSS readers?

@AmazingPhilippines1 12 дней назад

YT definitely has a lot of work to do here. As you said, "it seems to be an afterthought"...

@Sylvan_dB 9 дней назад

2:50 the youtube liaison is mistaken. The subscriber page sometimes does not show all the recent videos. I've recently thoroughly investigated two instances where youtube pushed a video to me from a subscribed channel, and I could go to that channel and see the video in the Videos list, but when I go to my subscriber page the video is not listed. Videos before and after the affected video from the same creator are listed.

@awesome.gaming 12 дней назад

I watch your videos through the sub tab. I watch most of my videos through the sub tab, because I know it was something I was interested in at some point. More than the randomness of the home page and recommendation shoulders. Not sure if RU-vid Shorts have seemed to murk up the water some, because I feel like there's a lot of flaws in RU-vid as of late. I've been recommended a lot off topic videos I would have never cared to watch. I watch nothing political, yet I was being fed Arabic RU-vid news channels for like a month seemingly out of nowhere. I just kept forcing the "don't recommend channel", because I don't know Arabic nor care for politics in general. The only thing I rely on is my Subscriptions page and search (most of the time).

@witness1013 12 дней назад

This video should be called Lon vs Logic

@JavierLopezElMagnate 11 дней назад

Thank you sir for fighting the good fight. I have a few channels that I have to actively search out every few weeks, even though I’m subbed. I find myself using RU-vid less and less because my “feed” has become so narrow in recent times.

@mfinite689 8 дней назад

I've said for years that subscriptions on YT don't matter which is why I don't bother subscribing to anyone. I just keep the channel links that I like in a shortcuts folder and pop them up when I want to watch something.

@drphibesrises 7 дней назад

I can watch all of your videos since I have "All" under notifications. Now while I don't have push notifications on since I would constantly be bugged by them, I go to my home page and click the notification bell and it gives me a listing of what I want to watch, then I can go through them when I have time.

@jmr 12 дней назад

Three of my favorite channels, I watch every single video, I'm subscribed, and I clicked the bell. The one channel I even went back and watched every single video from the back catalog before I subscribed to the channel. Many of the videos I have even rewatched. I rarely if ever get notifications from them. #lawnerd #lawtube #RSS #ham

@villipend 12 дней назад

What I hate is the bell icon. The problem is the user has no control over when the notification is given(at least that I can figure out). I subscribe to creators from all over, mostly North America but not exclusively. I would get notifications randomly all day. So I turned them off. What I'd like to see is the ability to receive all the notifications once per day at a time that works for me.

@deathdoor День назад

I really don't understand this. I don't want the Home Page to show my subscriptions, after all, there's a dedicated page to the Subscriptions. Do people really don't like their Subscriptions Page?! I think this insane! I always see people talking, "did you received a notification of the my latest video?". Why people need this to be notified? Don't they want to watch more videos from that channel? Didn't they subscribed to the channel to watch more videos from it? Why are they not looking their Subscription Page? Again, this is insane and nonsensical to me.

@Gravitationalist 12 дней назад

I guess I watch RU-vid differently than you because I don't see an issue. I only watch videos on a television and I'm either on the homepage or subscriptions and I see all the videos. Nothing gets buried and maybe that's because I have less than less than 50 subscriptions. Taking a closer look now, I'm not so sure. I don't recall seeing some of the stuff in the subscription feed when I click on each channel.

@robichag 12 дней назад

i have over 250 subs and I dont miss any videos. I never understood why people complain about this.

@schlittytube 11 дней назад

I'm one of those people that (over) curates my own feeds everywhere consistently and avoids homepages/recommendations. And yeah. On RU-vid I just bookmark straight to my subscriptions page. I'm obsessed with chronological feeds and have straight up left social medias and websites because they didn't have it. That said, I know I'm in the minority (especially being on desktop). And yes! Very much agree with some of your comments about the lack of granular control in the subscription page!

@oxygon2850 12 дней назад

I've had this suspicion for years! 🤬 I disagree about the subscriptions tab because I go there directly And avoid the home page every time and I still miss people's videos... I have four hundred plus subscriptions and I get maybe ten videos a day even in my subscriptions tab and if I check there are videos that do not show up there

@LonSeidman 12 дней назад

This is exactly why they need to give some love to the sub tab. A few very minor adjustments will make it work a lot better.

@cliffordphillips305 11 дней назад

This is one of your more enlightening videos!

@wilhitman1 11 дней назад

Since youtube decided to stop sending emails to the channels you are subscribe to. To make sure I receive what I want from my channels I selected the Notification bell on the top right of the screen (desktop) next to you name. I go through the list each day and just email what i want to myself. I do this so I can one make sure i have them and also I can watch them when I am ready. But what I have noticed is that there are other channels in there that I am not even subscribed to but i just skip over them.

@tomhoots 12 дней назад

After cutting the cord -- bailing out of Comcast a few years ago -- I wound up realizing that "RU-vid videos" was what I watched the most on the TV sets in my house. And that opened up a whole new world of using RU-vid -- I found a third-party app that GAVE ME control over what I watched and how to get to what I want to watch, and so on. Just a handful of options made a huge difference, but the bottom line is that these options allow ME to decide what will show up "next," instead of being victimized by "RU-vid's algorithm." Or should I say, "raped" by RU-vid's algorithm. In the end, we need to do what we can to find alternatives that will let us ignore whatever RU-vid wants us to see, or "build our own" organization out of bookmarks, folders -- whatever it takes.

@jjones2582 6 дней назад

I miss the days when RU-vid would send an email when a new video was posted in a subscribed channel. It was much easier to keep up with new postings that way. Especially a live stream.

@cr-pol 12 дней назад

I'm not going to stop subscribing, the Subscriptions tab works for me. (maybe due to not having that many and actually using the tab?) What does me annoy about the Subscriptions is that notifications are very much hit-or-miss. Oh, and my Subscriptions also show up on my 'Home' carousel , though not as promptly and often as they do in my Subscriptions tab.

@artisanpixel 12 дней назад

I use an extension to hide all the feeds and random stuff. I just check the sidebar for the little dot next to my subscriptions to know if a new video was posted.

@SteveHazel 12 дней назад

that algorithm makes sense. your home page should be RECOMMENDATIONS. The subscribed page should be SUBSCRIPTIONS only. i don't want subscriptions on my home page I want recommendations. on the subs page i WANT the firehose and I'll watch the stuff that looks good later. or now if i have time.

@Alex-bl6oi 12 дней назад

I turned my youtube history off a while back because it was suggesting some awful media. The result is that it turns off the Home page (on the mobile app). So, I am stuck with the firehouse of my subscription feed 😢 I agree finding videos within my many subscriptions really sucks the way Google has it setup.

@domramsey 12 дней назад

I honestly think this is user error more than anything. I very much want to see subscriptions on the subscriptions page and I *don't* want to see them on the home page, which.is more of a "Discover" page. I mainly live on the subscriptions page and have no problems seeing everything I want. I click on "Home" when I want to discover new videos & creators. The big issue for me is that it has a load of subscription videos and stuff I've already watched mixed in on the home page. They should remove all videos from subscriptions on 'Home'. I don't understand how the subscriptions page can be too much unless you're subscribed to 1000+ channels and getting new videos show up every minute. In which case, it's user error again. Cut back on your subscriptions, the same way you would reduce your magazine subscriptions if you had 50 magazines showing up in your mailbox every day.

@zoiks6631 12 дней назад

I always wonder who the heck subscribes to various RU-vidrs’ channels and then never uses the Subscriptions section within RU-vid. It’s the first thing I check every time I open RU-vid. The nonsense that RU-vid serves up on its home screen rarely interests me.

@rcrit0 11 дней назад

I literally have a few dozen tabs open to the channels I follow and flip through them one by one to see new content. I kept losing new channels I found.

@Kate.000 12 дней назад

my youtube bookmark goes straight to subs page, same with my mobile app. since i dont sub to many channels that upload multiple videos a day, so my subs page stays nice and organized. i hardly use homepage, too much junk.

@chesterbailey2572 12 дней назад

Plus YT puts those dots next to channel names in the subscription list, but the channel doesn't have a new video.

@traviscunningham_1 12 дней назад

So essentially the algorithm has too much recency bias… I agree with the UI issues, inconsistencies, and filterability of the Subs tab on each device. It’s honestly confusing.

@JeskidoYT 8 дней назад

i use extensions on mobile and desktop to make sure i get ALL of content from the subscriptions tab ONLY in a SMALLER grid system. Suggested videos are buried for me at most times.

@cedarstuff 12 дней назад

I hit "Subscribe" and see everything that gets uploaded, because I *only* ever come to RU-vid via the Subscriber tab, then scroll back to see what's been uploaded since I last visited. Only maniacs use the "home" tab - like those who use "for you" instead of "following" on X.

@DARKDEXX 11 дней назад

Should be an option to put the channels you like in a playlist of sorts in the subscriptions tab.

@anon_y_mousse 10 дней назад

I agree despite the fact that I primarily watch things from the subs page. I'll leave it open permanently and just refresh it every time I work my way up from where I left off until I reach the top of the page and I miss stuff all of the time. Of course, I'm subbed to around 640 channels, so fire hose is probably too tiny of a mental image. And I still also click on recommendations in the side panel because occasionally there's some good stuff there. Yeah, I may have a bit of a problem when it comes to adding subs.

@RetroBerner 12 дней назад

Thanks, I hate it. Just because I might feel like watching a few pond building videos in a row doesn't mean I am any less interested in tech. My YT acct is 14 years old and my subscription feed is pretty much unusable at this point. I wouldn't mind unsubbing to some older channels, but the process is very cumbersome.

@LonSeidman 12 дней назад

This is exactly what I'm dealing with. I put up a poll on my community tab to see what the total sub count is for people who use the sub tab currently and like it. So far more than half of those responding have less than 50 in the feed.

@tom95521 10 дней назад

I have never checked the subscription menu option. I just search or watch whatever shows up on the home page.

@stephenshields7449 12 дней назад

The thing that pisses me off about RU-vid is when they mark a video that I watched as not watched, sometimes as much as a few days or weeks later. I almost feel defeated like I know I have seen everything my favorite channels have posted but then they say that I haven't... Considering I am a paid member of RU-vid they really need to do a better job. If anyone knows how I can change that please let me know. Thanks

@arbyars.chicksawdust 12 дней назад

I am ready to change services. I like the RU-vid channels I subscribe to. That does not mean I watch every video put out. I don't like the shorts. Some channels say that have to put out shorts so RU-vid will show them. Most videos I watch at 2x because I just want the information. There seems to be no way for it to do it automatically. I have a plug-in for my browser that works a while, but RU-vid does something and it quits. I would complain to RU-vid but have not figured out how.

@CygnusTM 11 дней назад

If your subscriptions tab is a "firehose" you are subscribed to too many channels. For me, my subscriptions tab is for channels I already know, and the home tab is for discovery. Lon, you have almost 1300 subscriptions! That's insane! I'm pretty sure that makes you a pretty extreme outlier. I have less than 450, and I'm a heavy RU-vid user.

@TechTimeWithEric 12 дней назад

I looked at the subs tab a while ago and it was just a hot mess and I've never went to the tab again

@anthonyd4309 12 дней назад

Why not have a recommended sort based solely on your subs? Are they afraid nobody would use the home page anymore? There are even channels I watch daily that don't always show up on my home page and I have to go searching for them if I've skipped a couple days. It's very frustrating.