Zen - AMD's New CPU Architecture. 

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Out of all the channels I'm subbed to, I look forward to your videos the most. Keep it up man you're doing great!

I'm guessing the "The best is yet to come" was talking about threadripper/epyc multi die cpus

Coming back to see where it all began...

That was a beautifully composed analysis, yet again. Incredible work from AMD as well. New northbridge should also be interesting, it's been a very long time since they revised it. This is the most modern X86-64 microarchitecture to date, I hope they come in at a decent price point.

This year has been a roller coaster ride for new tech that's for sure. Don't remember the last time I got this excited about cpu & gpu releases, not to mention VR and SSD's. Timed my upgrade schedule perfectly this time :D Another excellent vid dude, keep 'em coming.

At first I wasn't really too hyped over Zen, but now I'm interested to see where AMD goes over the next few years after Zen.

Now in 2020 ZEN is rocking with up to 64 cores in threadrippers and amazing ipc

Great as always! I really like that you always discuss the technical side. Also, you keep it clean with no weird comparison stories or intermediary bla-bla such as unnecessary jokes and the like, like other RU-vid tech channels. And of course, like this time, you discuss the things that they show in their keynote demos. That's always interesting because these companies know how to present their stuff favorably :) Anyway: Keep it up!

Thank you AdoredTV for a fine competion. Best of luck to everybody who enters!

Thanks for another nice video, the thing good about your videos is that they are not just conjecture but based on sound analysis.

As always better report than any one else. Keep going and thumbs up.

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The dream would be them nailing 3 points; performance, which we believe they did, price, which we don't know, and supply, which we doubt. I want to get on the hype train, but I'm probably still buying a Skylake PC by the year's end.

hey adored, 2 questions 1) What do you think of the fact you can now get RX480's (4gb) for as low as $220 with aftermarket cooling. Does this kinda kill the 470 at price of $180 ish? 2) My friend keeps telling me to buy a 1060 over a 470/480 for around same price (looking to upgrade from a 280 (3gb) I game at 1080p and do minimal video editing in sony vegas and no g-sync monitors (so cuda does not do me anything). cards i am looking at: 480- www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126135&cm_re=rx_480-_-14-126-135-_-Product 1060 - www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137034&cm_re=1060-_-14-137-034-_-Product Cheers!

Adored, I really liked your comparison of all the fabrication processes. With TSMC, GloFo and Intel's process for manufacturing all Sounding very similar, but in fact being quite different; it's nice to see someone pointing it out with good clean, easily understandable visuals as well. Another spectacular video and lesson for us all. Great work

Honestly, thank you for your architecture breakdown. I am a programmer and I've seen other videos try to explain this. Most of the videos on Zen are made by people who try to over simplify and also over reduce the information from a lack of personal understanding many video hosts have. But this was very smooth. Good job.

I kinda like that you are getting into more detail than others. Keep it up!

How Times have changed... Now instead of a 1000$ 8 core Intel... You can buy AMD 8 core for 130$... Intel is losing on every front

If they can deliver a quad-core 8 thread with IPC on par or better than Haswell, with at least a 3.2GHz base clockspeed, with no useless iGPU, for $200 or less, I'm sold. With the decreasing price of RAM, SSDs, and GPUs, I really think it's time CPUs got the same treatment. We need $350 true 8-core processors.

hi adored, just wanted to thank you for the great videos and your very friendly way of doing things. keep up the good work!

I just wish that you put specific titles/events on your videos for file footages. It took me a while to find that it was at computex 2016.

I can't wait to upgrade from fx to Zen!!

Is the low 'IPC' why Intel CPUs smashes AMD's, even though AMD seem to have more cores and a higher clock speed in general at a certain price point?

Great video as always! Sign me up as I'm on board and waiting for a new Zen processor and a new Vega GPU. Hopefully those will happen close together!

If zen comes out and is what AMD made it out to be, these next few years will be very good for them. New gpu architecture on yer and a new cpu architecture the next year...

It's pretty amazing you both understand all of this and can communicate it without actually working in the industry (... yet, anyway). Cheers!

So hype for Zen. I was expecting SB level IPC at best, but this is really great.

Is it bad that I the thumbs up your videos before I watch them?

I think you are right and the first generation of Zen is going to come up just short of it's goal in matching or beating Skylake. Just like the Polaris gpus, they made a really good showing with the new architecture but it was a tad slower than what they were hoping for. I really think Vega and the 2nd generation Zen cpus are going to show results closer to what everyone was expecting with the new architecture, at least I hope so.

well this popped up on my recommendation, just in time when I just upgraded to a 3600

What about Zen running on Linux vs. Intel running on Windows 10 Blender video? :)) I really like the fact that you are not trying to hype Zen even more, but rather lower the hype and be little bit more realistic and objective, as always of course.

Thank you for the Video AdoredTV, Always appreciate your perspective and effort.

But the question isn't "Can Zen compete with Broadwell-E at the $1,000.00 Level?", the question is "Can Zen get within 10% of Skylake's performance up and down the stack at a saner price point creating competition for Intel?"

You didn't mention slight problem with that Blender benchmark. Intel was tested on Windows 10, AMD was tested on some kind of Linux. It's easily visible in their video, just look at the taskbar. I don't know if Blender works better on AMD or Intel on Linux, but whatever AMD reasons were, we didn't see apples to apples comparison.

Nice video, I got Intel Core i5 6600, lets wait and see how Zen will perform...!!

at last competition for intels monopoly. This should make for a nice price war. great vid as usual jim. p.s i now have the powercolour red devil rx480 it has a few issues with the fans not engaging from load or temp. running cam software has fixed this for me as tabletop sim was frying it before with just spiking load.

AMD has said they are using high density libraries in Zen. The individual core is crazy small in mm^2. Like 3/5ths the size of of a Skylake core. With so many stages in the pipeline, and such a dense approach in 14nm FinFET, I have no doubt that signal propagation is not a problem in Zen in hitting high clocks. What it might require for stability at high clocks though, is higher voltage to overwhelm the leakage. We are seeing this in Polaris which also uses high density libraries. It will clock to 1500MHz, but it takes big voltage to do it. I think Zen will have a top SKU of something like 3.2GHz all core, 3.6GHz single core boost, but this is 95W TDP. A Zen chip could possible reach into the mid 4GHz range at double that TDP. We have to wait and see.

Excellent analysis as always my friend :D

I was really surprised to see Zen pull ahead of broadwell-E. I'm really interested what the prices are actually going to be. If they can pull off cheaper chips than Intel again, the future of AMD will be bright yet again.

great video thanks Jim! Did you see some of the media spread doubt about blender like Anand and jayz I'm glad you pulled up the info about how it currently favours Intel

What websites would you recommend for unbiased benchmarks for graphics cards? I've seen in a few of your videos you (quite rightly) call into question some of the tech press for their choices of games and as i'm in the market for a new card i'd like some straight up figures :) Love the channel btw!

Looks promising. Unfortunately the hype train is in full swing in certain corners of the internet, so even good performance is going to disappoint some people.

SO HYPED :)

I really hope that someday I'll have a deeper understanding to these technical terms.

Me? I'm not concerned about Zen's clock speed. Why? The engineering sample for Bulldozer was also 2.8GHz, and we all know that turned out to be a 4GHz+ part. So yeah, Zen has lots of headroom left.

Fun reading these comments saying Intel will just smash them when Ryzen releases, or Threadripper. Well, i9 looks so gud, you can really see the R&D money Intel has. Oh no wait....

Bring on some decent AMD performance and competition. I hope Zen is as good as they say.

Yeah, Intel is out of control. Ill hop on AM4 when PCIE 4.0 arrives.

total ipc difference between skylake and broadwell is 2.7%. I would think broadwell-e is slightly closer because of the platform then broadwell so skylake and zen could actually be nearly equal.

I don't even have to watch the video to know this deserves a like. :)

Do you have any idea on when the AM4 platform will be mass marketed? I believe it's going to come along with Bristol Ridge. If the 40% extra IPC from excavator is true, we're looking around Broadwell-Haswell IPC, which I think should be good enough. I am actually pretty impressed with the little X4 845 excavator.

Those were exactly the doubts I was having, but I think AMD will be able to reach 4.0ghz. Probably not initially, but either way, it'll be a nice upgrade from my i5 4570 Keep up the great work mate, cheers!

Another great vid! Also, top-notch video production IMO. You're showing your skills off here mate! lol I'm REALLY REALLY REALLY hoping and rooting for AMD and ZEN. They really need the business and WE really need the competition and other cpu options! I've been using their Kabini APUs in tons of router builds and projects for clients as I wind down my IT business and get closer to retirement. All Bay/Cherry trail procs sucked in comparison.

Looks very promising, I will wait until some benchmarks show up, then I will upgrade. Adored, what do you tihnk about gaming performance? From what I remember when I was a kid, the Duron and the Athlon were better in gaming than Intel, what was the catch there?

If the performance lives to what we've been shown at a lower price than intel it's already a success even if it loses to Kabby Lake which it likely will. The simple fact that they finally caught up in IPC terms from where they were with bulldozer puts them in a competitive spot in the market place assuming they can price accordingly. Seriously i think most of us expected Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge performance. Hopefully Zen overclocks decent and as the process matures, it OCs like Bulldozer. We might have all hated Bulldozer for a lot of reasons but the later renditions like Vishera had no issues clocking to 4.5ghz+ assuming you could control the heat. Which admittedly is a daunting task. I'm with you Adored i can't wait.

I bought an RX 480 based on your DX12 analysis :)

So what would be AMD's launch then? the 8 core is the full featured chip, the 4 would be the early binned 8cores with a faulty core? Or would they be producing 4 cores in a separate manufacturing line? Would that mean they bin the 8 cores with a faulty core for release as a 6 core later on in the year and bin 4's with a faulty core for dual cores around the same time? I'm generally new to looking into these things.

So insightful as always. Thanks.

Not sure if this is place to ask but how will the new Intel 600P SSDs compare to the likes of the 850 EVO? Will we see noticeable improvements in this price range? What SSD specs are important when considering use in a 4K environment (e.g. gaming, Netflix, editing)? Thanks!

zen looks like exactly the solution ive been looking to recommend to others. I always want to recommend devils canyon due to its performance / price, but i hesitate because DDR3 RAM and the Z97 chipset are on their way out, instead I often just recomend skylake thanks to the Z170 chipset and DDR4 support, even thought the increase performance is small and the cost isnt justified. if zen can match broadwell it should just barely beat devils canyon in performance and the long lived AM4 socket with DDR4 support means it will last through an upgrade 3-5 years later when needed. as long as the price is right this could be the perfect CPU + mobo baseline for midrange gaming systems.

I fear that Zen may not overclock as nicely as I would like. The iteration after, though. I am excited.

I have a question you have probably heard before,but why does it so long to build the architecture on a CPU.For example when you mention that once it's built they have to wait a year or more for the new ones,it just boggles my mind a bit..And then i hear about the architecture and the process,so they have the plans but still need to work on the process.all very confusing for me.If there is a brief way to explain this to me i would be very grateful thanks.(the things that throws me i guess that all this stuff getting talked about happens on that little square and why is that all so hard;)

Fully agree with MegaDutcher :-D I will upgrade to Zen once they'll have a CPU which is 50+ % faster core on core and on standard clock than my current (heavily oc'd) CPU. I assume that is not going to be the case before H2/2017. AdoredTV, what do you think how great the chance is that we will see a 480X somewhere in the next 6 months? I still assume GloFo will improve their process and hence the Polaris 10 will achieve higher clock speeds at lower voltages.

I really want AMD to succeed now. Maybe my next CPU will be a Zen. My current processor is an over five years old i7 920 CPU overclocked to 4 ghz. I have never felt the need to upgrade it.

I think everyone is worrying way too much about the clock speeds. These are engineering samples. They are generally clocked 20-30% slower than the final release. That would put the clock speeds right up there with the 6900X if not faster.

My first system with DDR4 will definitely be AMD.

very good breakdown and easy to understand info, you have a new subscriber :)

While the Intel 6900k was underclocked, the zen engineering sample was overclocked. We aren't talking huge differences in clock speed here between the two, being 400MHz at base and 500 at turbo, which equates to a 14% difference in stock clocks. Also the zen is reportedly a 95W TDP part, while the 6900K is a 140W TDP package. Overclocking the Intel can get to a reported 4.4GHZ, with huge voltage increases, watercooling and massive power draws and lots of heat. Remember that bulldozer was designed for clock speed, and piledriver holds the world record at 8.79GHz (2cores) and 8.72GHz with *all 8 cores* while broadwell e only manages 5.7GHz and skylake 6700k a measly 7.02GHz on a single core. I have little doubt that Zen will be able to match Intel on stock clock speeds and should be able to get decent overclocks on air given the engineering samples TDP package. (undoubtedly Zen will also come in 125W TDP or higher flavours). No doubt the extreme overclocker's won't take too long from release to fill us in on Zens potential. I predict that 8 core zens will start at 2.8-3.0 GHz (95W TDP) and go up to 3.4 base clock (125W TDP) on retail release with binning.

Very healthy scepticism. I also think they can't really hit high frequencies, but the 4 cores should consume less power, and be more overclockable, so even if you could overclock a 4c8t zen to 3.5, then you would have a very good cpu for gaming, for probably less money than the i7.

Really love your videos, keep up the good work!

I like what I am seeing. I will save up my money and build an AMD machine in 2018 or 2019 when Zen matures and Navi becomes available. These are exciting times to be a PC enthusiast!

"This well benefit everyone except intel" haha well said man great video =)

Wow, he was rigth about i3s

Are you going to do any videos on ZEN 2?

Can't wait to see more ZEN updates!

I hope for good OCs on Zen CPUs although I doubt that the first batch will achieve great numbers. They will make for a good cheaper alternative though, even for "high end gaming" as they say.

I think one big advantage AMD has over intel is the one single AM4 platform. It doesn't matter if intel reduces the price of their 6 and 8 core parts, as the LGA2011 socket motherboards will still be damn expensive.

this is what I have been waiting for........ I can't wait to get my hands on one!!!!!!!!!!!

It looks like the broadwell-E is actually a bit faster than zen for most of the test, and then the zen CPU just won at the end. Did anyone else notice that?

I want to buy a gaming laptop and I was expecting mobile Polaris cards to be launched but there's still too little info about it, yet alone the release date. I hope It won't only be limited to a couple of options which includes HP Omen (heard it on reddit) and Macbook Pro. I wish Dell would launch a budget laptop that has an Rx 480M since I was going to buy Dell Inspiron 7559 before I'm figured out Rx 480M would be a better option, Anyone here knows any recent news about it?

I think AMD left us a hint what clocks we can expect (ad least for 4 core variant) in that diagram at 1:34. As you can see Zen core should eat same power per clock as Excavator, and rumor have it 4 core cut down Zen will have TDP of 65W. There is actually AMD Excavator processor with same TDP ( Atlon X4 845) and it works at 3,5 GHz base, 3,8 GHz boost. I think similar clocks are likely in 4 core Zen if AMD is indeed targeting 65W for that SKU. For 8 core warrant it is a bit hard to tell because leaks put targeted TDP at 95W. I would speculate 3 GHz base, 3,3 GHz boost. Also I don't expect Zen will be good overclocker because it is really optimized for mobile and server service and not for desktop. And attempts at overclocking that Atlon X4 845 also produced very modest results. I expect low 4GHz range at best , often not even that. But I think at 3GHz and below Zen will be actually more power efficient then Intel offerings. Alas as desktop user I have no use for power efficiency, especially not at those low clocks so that's kind meh for me. Anyhow I'll still buy 4 core Zen at 3,5GHz base clock if the price is right (around 200 to 250$ before VAT ) Also thanks for the video. o7

Basically 3% slower then Skylake, but without any Intel Privilege Escalation Backdoors. I can imagine that security experts would prefere these server CPUs from AMD. At the other hand, everybody is a self-claimed expert today.

Adored, do you have a blog or website. My english are terrible, I only understand half of your video. Thanks from Indonesia

The rhyme spree between 8:40 and 8:50 got me good xD

They did show Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, that game likes cores and SMT. 2kliksphilip did some testing and he did make some mistakes it seems, but this needs more testing. Btw the game is DX11 currently and will be getting a DX12 update eventually, though it favours AMD already (Glacier 2 based Dawn engine which was always happy with AMD tech anyway). Here's to hoping Nixxes refines the game more, it's a bit of a resource hog atm. Interesting times are coming. Thanks for the video.

it seems like a solid start for Zen, do you think Global foundries process will improve between now and launch? I think this might be why AMD pushed zen back to 2017.

great work adored! I really like your vids and I'm really looking forward to zen. Keep up your great work man!

I hope they're not too locked down in their mind of the need of keeping TDP below 100W on an 8 core part. That too would end up keeping the clock speeds down, and at worst even mess with the overclocking ceiling.

I hope zen's later iterations would match skylake one day but intel might have 7nm CPUs by then.

i believe in zen even though GloFo has had some fuckups in the past and it may indeed take a while for the 14nm finfet process to pick up properly intel is widening their shinking intervals by a year because even they can hardly handle the r&d budgets involved, and even though their 14nm is still superior over samsung finfet, i think AMD zen gets some breathing room due to intel struggling with 10nm, the gaps won't be huge they don't have to beat intel on their top tier raw performance chip if the price is right, and i don't expect them to, seems like a hard feat to pull off i can't wait for single threaded numbers though, if it scores at least 1800 in cpu-z single threaded, i'm sold

Adorned, you're easily my favorite tech youtuber at the moment. Thank you for such high quality content and analysis. It's truly inspiring, cheers.

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will you be doing a video about AMD raven bridge APU?

An interesting video ( as always ). Let's hope that AMD will do something about the elephant in the room called Intel C Compiler. Bulldozer had a lower IPC than Intel's offers, but ICC compiled executables tend to exacerbate this parity.

put up whatever is the highest end current AMD CPU against a comparable core count Intel with the AMD FX overclocked and the Intel stock clocks... basically what I'm saying is that even if the Zen was 0.5 sec slower in that blender test, I'd be really impressed.

A nice insight, I think AMD is crippled by the manufacturing process and Zen architecture on Intel's very good manufacturing process will probably beat Intel, but only in 2018 they will get a mature process and probably release a new CPU based on Zen, and that's when we'll know exactly. I hate the waiting game...

Will Zen be also 2/4 4/4 and 4/8 for consumers ? I would not really see a point for making 4/4 equivalent to i3 2/4 since 6100 is sufficient for most people and runs even GTA5 with around 55FPS..

but wouldn't the new cpu architecture make it uncompatible with every single program that is compiled for x86 ?