Just the ram on this is so impressive. I would definitely save up and get this over the Redding turret. But, the year this was made I picked up a co-ax for $295, (not sure where the $500 came from) and love it. I did spend money to upgrade it though, Badeau links, Manzgear jaw holder, Inline fab roller handle, and press light, but well worth it. Total was about $450, and I really like no shell holders. It also gives great concentricity. I can really see the attraction to such a rock solid press though, and with 9 stations I could load three different calibers and never change a die. Thanks for the review. 👍
This was an awesome review for me. Easy to follow and a lot of information that I need. You've helped me out making a decision to buy this reloader. Thanks for the great video.
All I can say is you have nothing but top notch guns, tools, and equipment and congrats for being able to acquire these things over life....Awesome is all I can say....I need to work on buying a single stage Lee press....Good stuff...
Nice review Xring , man I want one . I was looking at buying the Redding T7 Turret press but now I might just save up some more cash 💵 for this Area 419 9 stage press..
Good review, need more info though nobody provides yet, would it accept all the dies available all manufacturers? does it advance the stages as you pull the handle or need to unlock and lock manually at every pull of the handle? how much are the accessories? how many are there? what if I reload many calibers? is it better to just have the dies with locked adjust rings on them to insert on the tool head? what if I decided to buy extra tool heads? is this really needed? many questions I have not seen the answers yet; all we know is it is the Cadillac of the reloading presses; I got a Dillon 550B and several single stage Lee's and all the calibers I reload for both systems; how about getting this one then sell the others? would that be a good thing or not worth it?
Would be nice to see let’s say a 5 shot group comparison of ammo from the Zero and a T-7 or another press that you have been loading your precision loads on. Thank you Ray
John - given that the influence on accuracy due to either of the (both very well made) presses qualities is likely to be very small (if any), how many groups/shots do you think would have to be fired in order to determine any real difference?
RUSSELL - the reason I ask is to see if there is a difference, and maybe there isn’t which is the other reason I ask. I value X-Ring (Ray) input and know he is more than capable of showing the difference if any. This would help people determine if they want to spend $400 on a turret press or $1200. I know area 419 makes some top tier stuff but is it really worth the extra $$$$$$
John in my opinion no. It is not worth the extra money. I think it boils down to preference. Dillon used to be the most expensive now this company is. A turret/tool head that costs 250 bucks? Does that cost 400-600 bucks?? No Thankyou.
Good point. It looks very nice but time will tell. It's mostly billet aluminum. Not sure if that' good or bad. I di know RCBS and others made out of ductile steel have been running for many many years. Hopefully this one does too
Thanks for that. On the Christmas wish list, just not sure which Christmas it will be. Your press with Dillon power trimmer below your bench caught my eye. What setup is that? Have a 1050 but a pain to change out to trimmer setup. Curious about what you've done there. Appreciate it. Chris New Zealand
Ray - the cost of the press is a fact. There will be those who can afford it and will buy it, and those that can't. That too is just a fact. Lots of shooters and not all can afford a custom rifle or top of the line Vortex or Nightforce glass. That doesn't mean you shouldn't show it or nobody wants to see it. Quite the opposite. I think people in the shooting game want to see every level of gun, glass, and reloading press. Then we can make informed decisions and get what we can afford. And while this press might be more costly than others, there will be a lot of guys who will buy it for the very reason you stated at the end. This may last for many years because of its sturdy build, and in that same time period a less robust reloader may have to be replaced several times, ultimately resulting in a similar net cost. It's a nice looking piece and the value seems pretty obvious. Thanks for sharing.
I actually like a little slop it self-centre's the bullet into the case giving me little run-out thank you Single Stage Lee for being decades ahead of their time.
Interesting. Hornady dies for the 6 creed. I assumed we would see Redding match around the turret. That would be an interesting video clip on die selection Ray!!! Thanks for the review.
A key element of a turret press is to be able to rotate among the different functions. It seems that the requirement to torque it down on each function reduces this capability. Is that correct?
With discounts, Forster Co-Axes are about $300-320. I had to double check when you said they were $500+. That’s on Forster’s site. I paid $275 for two of them (each) within the last four years. Prices will probably go back down when 2020’s insanity has passed.
What makes the Area 419 Zero Press $900+ better than the Forster Coax or the Redding T7? Not really a single stage, not really a turret press, per Se. More like hybrid of sorts?
Great video I'm just getting into reloading. I ordered a new dillon precision XL 750 its about 8 weeks out do you think I should cancel that order and buy the area 419 zero instead? Although I don't see a powder measure on the zero
I like your videos, but not sure where you're getting your prices for the Forster Coax. They're $350 all day long no matter where you get them. Not over $500
That was a good review Ray. I like what I'm hearing about that press. If I was to get one I would have to retire my Big Max because my reloading room is small. Have you ever tried an arbor press? I see a lot of long range shooters use them.
OK Ray I'll give you the same mission I gave to Gavin Tube. Your mission if you choose to take it, load 10 rounds on the Area 419 and then 10 rounds on your standard reloading press, go shoot either a 10 shot group, or two five shot groups from each press and show the results. I don't care how things measure, I care how they perform.
Had never heard of this particular press. Impressive as they’ve tweaked ALL the slop and tightened up tolerances to a SERIOUS degree. My Dillon RL550 is a top notch progressive press and I’m thinking although a different TYPE of press..the 419 ranks easily up there in terms of HIGH quality..
Wow that is a hunk of cash. Looks nice and for that money it shouldn't have any play. I do like no the turret works without a bunch of extra height. Well go big or go home they say! Nice review do some updates if you can thanks.
I don't even reload, but I'm a career machinist \ engineer. That press is absolute jewelery. Surely it's not cheap, but I bet my life on it you can't make one for what they sell for. 😉
Just purchased AREA 419 Arcaclamp and the quality is top notch. I am sure the press is well made. Not sure that not having any play in the shell holder is a good thing. If the die is off a little it won't matter how well the alignment of the press is. I would like them to rethink the shell holder.
All shellholders have a small amount of axial movement available, as variances in brass manufacturing need to be accounted for. Our goal with shellholders is to keep the surface pushing upward as square to the dies as possible.
I say this jokingly... But why couldn't you have show cased this press a week and a half ago.. see what you did.. Now I have to go and buy one of these now too... LOL The New Lyman I just got is going to be prefect, but, I sure do like the idea of locking the various set-up dies in and not having to mess with them, other then fine adjustments, and if I am feeling super duper clever, having a few turrets filled with various calibers, I think would make me happy, even though, There is several dies I will never use.. .But, still would be neat... Thanks for showing this... Mid life crisis is so much fun these days.. Who needs a 401K when a guy can retire doing PRS... Just saying...
I’m not one to build my way up, I’d rather start with the best. Outside of this for reloading, what other products would you recommend a new reloader. (For Precision reloading, PRS, NRL Hunter)
👍🏼. I’m the same way. I would say in no particular order. Auto trickler, Annealer (AMP is the best but it’s not cheap), otherwise, good brass like Lapua, Peterson etc. . Just keep in mind that reloading is more expensive now than it has ever been, but you will be making the best and most consistent ammo that you can for your rifle if done properly. 👍🏼
@@XRING Hey thank you, love your videos, just getting my family into NRL22 and NRL Hunter for me. So 1. Zero Press, 2. Auto Tricker v4 (creedmoor scale ok?), AMP Annealer, Lapua Brass, Berger Bullets, (Primal Rights Bench Primer tool), and case trimmer??? Henderson or ??? May as well start F Class. Lol
@ryanswanson1150 Thanks Ryan and congrats on getting the family into it as well. I don’t use the Primal right seater as I don’t know if that really works to make better ammunition. As far as the case trimmer. The Giraud trimmer is a good one as well.
there are plenty of youtube videos to get you started. Johnny's Reloading Bench and Panhandle Precision were both very helpful to me when I started 1 yr ago
@@talkingrock7011 i prefer this one! ;) It would just be cool, to Have a beast like this, with 8-9 Stations. turban-shop.de/produkteproducts/pressen/heavy-praezipress-140mm/
"Will it make your ammo better?" No. Not alone. It's a system that removes as many press variables as possible. Variables like case sizing, neck turning, priming, powder measure, etc are all separate systems part of a larger effort. No one part makes the quality increase. That's still on the individual reloader.
I would like to see someone do a test compare this ultra gucci press to that of a Co-Ax(whis is not 500 dollars) or a Arbor press and LE Wilson dies. The smoothness might be one thing, but can it really make better shooting ammo.
Bought this press 2 months ago. Throw out all your other presses. Nothing comes close for single stage presses. Even tho its a turret press its a single stage.
The Zero is a thing of great beauty, but a Rock Chucker or other single stage with a Hornady Lock and Load bushing system would accomplish the same thing, at a fraction of the cost. The Zero offers extreme precision which unfortunately does not translate into more accurate reloads.
What you have here, is a very expensive press. A well made press,that will only make sense if you make a living shooting. For pride of ownership maybe, but only a fraction of 1% of shooters will notice the difference in their ammo in my opinion.
How confident are you in the lock-ring (which totally controls alignment on the Co-Ax) being square with the chamber of the sizing die? That .200" of class-2 engagement HAS to be square, right? And surely as you swap things in and out there isn't any debris or buildup in the slot on the press for the die. Not that buildup between the die and press would cause long-term inconsistency in the loaded rounds... Price is a consideration, but it's far from being the entirety of any story.
@@area419 I respectfully disagree that the lock ring on the Co-Ax totally controls alignment on the Co-Ax. The jaws on the Co-Ax control alignment on one axial plane, the die lock ring the other axial plane. Free float on coaxial planes is still a novel design I think. Your comment about the lock ring does bring to light the fact that a poorly made lock ring or shell holder can induce error, like runout, on any press.
@@markklein6900 virtually every press on the market has float available in the axial plane as a firmly held case on the extraction rim would lead to crazy issues with varying brass manufacturers. This makes the axial float of the die largely irrelevant. Traditional threaded dies have the advantage with poorly-designed lock rings as there is a significantly increased amount of thread contact, and the threads of the tightened die are going to help center. Not perfect, but meaningfully less opportunity for error that simply pushing a lock ring into a face.
Wow nice, but realistically I'd like to see Ray or any other designated "Experienced Reloader" load ten rounds with it, then load ten with whatever their existing setup is, drop all twenty rounds into a bin, and then see any designated "Inspector" separate the twenty rounds back into their respective ten round groups. I'm not a loader, litteraly just bought a T7 a couple of weeks ago to start with. Excuse me if I'm missing something, I get it's a sweet press, and yep I will probably eventually own one, jest say'in!!
@@talkingrock7011 Agreed, same here... I also keep using my Piggyback progressive conversion kit since 1994 and still works like the first day, produced thousands of rounds since then...