Zeynep Tufekci: How the Internet has made social change easy to organize, hard to win 

No that is not at all what she was about. What she talked about is that due you having to relay on a more close-knit organization in the past to organize there protest they also had more staying power. It is not about people being lazy or thing being to easy. It is that if you want to make lasting change you need to build a organization of some sort. You can not have a very lose collection of people that have just have some very abstract notion in common to organize change. Also note that she actually want to combined the strength of the old way to organize protest with the new way of technology. So she is not anti-IT.

Facts are decisions made. She is a good observer listing the facts that have to be recognised. Plus and minus.

french revolutionists don´t agree :,)

@@AlessandraLarios French revolutionists created a reign of terror with a new even more brutal bourgeoisie, which created a dictatorship that tried to conquer all of Europe, which led right back into a monarchy with as much inequality and food insecurity as before if not more that lasted, under different names, until 1870. Then France went republican at the same time movements for constitutional monarchy and electoral reform started building in Germany, Italy, and the UK. There's nothing special about France, and the 1799 revolution achieved basically nothing. The only difference is that when they protest for things the rest of Europe is doing around the same time the rest of Europe is doing them (they were actually 15 years late to Neoliberalism, and are only now giving up on it), their protest methods tend to be a lot more dramatic, so the political establishment falls more quickly and completely. James Callaghan or Mario Monti never had a 4% approval rating.

also we need to stop posting pics of huge cleavage !

Like the Egyptian dictators ?

realnarutoboy It's hard to put much effort into refuting an obviously wrongheaded comment.

sjw are the invisible straw enemies. They were made up so that some game journalists could get ahead. The ones that are "with" the movement.

thmstbst No. It was invented to describe upper middle class humanities graduates with too much time on their hands.

Yeah, and it rapidly became a caricature to justify terrorism.

....there's plenty of malicious political purposes for these algorithms.

well, they make money off it so...

@@vs-id9yr ....clear answer to bjOrn: NO

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good point, how do you think people should build hierarchies in the social media age?

thmstbst Well, based on the examples in the talk, it seems like a pre-existing hierarchical organisation, such as a political party, backs a social media movement and when the fizz has fizzled, they are left in power... with a mandate. That would appear to be the way it IS done from my brief glimpse into the topic. As for how it SHOULD be done, there would appear to be no organic process through social media. Which leads to person to person communication and co-ordination - basically forming some sort of shadowy steering organisation.

I've heard of companies like Valve try to make the point that flat organizations can get more done by freeing up the workers time to do things. They also stress the importance of tangible goals. Something that can be measured

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Of course this video was posted much earlier than 'last week' but still AAP has been a legitimate political movement for some time now.

Newey Oudone, you make it sound like democratic representatives have much more important work to be getting on with. Listening to their constituents is their job. They are paid to do it, and they do it full time (unlike you or I). That is how a representational democracy works. If enough people complain about something, their representatives take note. That is all they have to do. The way you describe it, it's like you called out a plumber to fix a leak in your house. He arrives and says, "ok what do want me to do about it", and you say "fix it". Well, if he face-palms you, then you should sack that plumber, because he is not doing his job. A representative’s job is to listen. And they do a lot of listening to lobbyists, day in day out, putting the point of view of big business interests. We should all learn from the lobbyists and do a lot more complaining, as they do. You complain, politicians fix - it's their job. You don't complain, they don't fix. It might not be the best system. One of direct democracy, direct action and worker ownership would be preferable. But it’s what we have, and that if how it is supposed to work. Of course, there is a big interest in keeping the public out of politics, making them feel small and insignificant, their views unimportant. That is the line you are peddling, along wih Fix News and the rest. Secondly, you suggest that there aren't any solutions. Well that is totally false. "End austerity" is a solution. "Regulate the banking sector" is a solution. "Introduce a decent minimum wage" is a solution. "Stop funding Israel's brutal war of aggression with taxpayers money" is a solution. "Stop fighting expensive illegal foreign wars of aggression and meddling in the Middle East to feed multi national business interests" is a solution. These are solutions to problems. All they need is to be implemented. Solutions are being offered everywhere by activists. You are just using the Fix News tactic of undermining the views of activists without offering any explanation why (because you don't have any).