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Zoom F6 Audio Recorder Review 

Curtis Judd
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Please consider signing up for our ZOOM F6 course over at school.learnlightandsound.com...
Index:
00:00 Intro
00:28 Major features overview
01:33 Demo 32-bit float recover clipped and under-gained audio in post
04:57 F6, MixPre II, and 888 Sound Samples
06:07 Features in detail
21:15 Who is the F6 for?
22:24 Who is the F6 NOT for?
22:52 F6 vs Sound Devices MixPre II
23:20 What the F6 has and MixPre II doesn’t
25:33 What the MixPre II has and F6 doesn’t
27:45 Summary
In today’s episode, we give you some audio samples from the new RODE NTG5 shotgun microphone and Zoom F6 recorder while we talk about the bebob micro cinema batteries. The headline feature of these batteries is that they are tiny relative to other cinema style batteries. They come in V-mount/V-lock or Anton Bauer Gold Mount. While they aren’t the cheapest cine batteries out there, they appear to be top quality and have some unique features like twist d-tap outputs, USB outputs, and an in-built flash light. But what is more interesting is that once the batteries have been used and their ability to hold a charge degrades, you can send them back to bebob and for about 1/2 the price of the original battery, they will put new cells in the battery. If you drop your battery and one of the physical parts break, they can be replaced.
#Zoom #F6 #Recorder
If you’d like to learn how to make great dialogue audio for your film and video projects, please have a look at my courses at school.learnlightandsound.com including processing dialogue audio in Adobe Audition and DaVinci Resolve/Fairlight, recording sound, how to use the Zoom F4, F8, and F8n, and how to get the most from the Sound Devices MixPre series of recorders.
Gear used or mentioned in this episode:
Zoom F6 Audio Recorder - B&H bhpho.to/2HE7HsT
Stereo to Mono 3.5mm Adapter to send timecode to Pocket 4K Camera - Amazon geni.us/hLjEY
Zoom F-Control Control Surface - B&H bhpho.to/2LCiYsV
Anker USB-C battery bank - Amazon geni.us/DguA6A
Zoom F8n Audio Recorder - B&H bhpho.to/2JvAnmj
Zoom F4 Audio Recorder - B&H bhpho.to/2Aplb5d
Sound Devices MixPre Audio Recorders - B&H bhpho.to/30hNyUj
Aputure Light Dome II Soft Box - B&H bhpho.to/2Osyx8j
Aputure C300D key light- B&H bhpho.to/2y38ga2
Aputure C120DII for slash of light on the back wall- B&H bhpho.to/2T7FtcR Amazon geni.us/deg3
Blackmagic Design Pocket Cinema Camera 6K - B&H bhpho.to/2oeIXA1
Blackmagic Design Pocket Cinema Camera 4K - B&H bhpho.to/2JB7W5V
Tilta Half Cage for BMPCC 4K/6K - B&H bhpho.to/2WPkHli
Sigma ART 24-70mm f/2.8 EF Mount Lens - B&H bhpho.to/2kjsI2x Amazon geni.us/bhOWVlW
Take your films to the next level with music from Musicbed. Sign up for a free account to listen for yourself: geni.us/G7by
Copyright 2019 by Curtis Judd
Ethics statement: Some of the links above are Amazon.com, B&H Photo, or other affiliate links. As an affiliate, I earn from qualifying purchases.

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@momchilyordanov8190
@momchilyordanov8190 4 года назад
The + / - 60db recovery in the beginning was the most impressive thing I've ever seen lol
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Yes, impressive what they’ve achieved!
@markjob6354
@markjob6354 4 года назад
Yeah, ditto. I wouldn't have thought this was possible, or it would be possible but sound like junk with a noticable noise floor.
@timbeaton5045
@timbeaton5045 4 года назад
@@markjob6354 Me too! I think this way of recording is going to become a standard method among all audio recorder manufacturers. Wonder who will jump first!?
@timbeaton5045
@timbeaton5045 4 года назад
What price Limiters, now? Almost pointless?
@MAMAvsGOD
@MAMAvsGOD 4 года назад
FACTS. Can other Devices Achieve this?? Working in Studio this is Something I NEVER SEEN.
@geraldundone
@geraldundone 4 года назад
Great video, Curtis! And thanks for the shout-out. 🤓🙏
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks Gerald! Thanks for covering the audio interface aspects of the F6!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
*CORRECTION* F6 CAN record 32-bit Float at 192kHz. To do so, you must turn off the LR Mix and AutoMix and Limiters. *ALSO* recently found that many cameras record rather noisy audio when you feed audio from the F6's output to the camera's microphone input. I didn't have this issue with the BMPCC6K when I sent a line level signal but did have the issue with a Panasonic GH5 with a mic level signal. I have reported this issue to Zoom North America. AND, DaVinci Resolve now handles 32-bit float files.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Would be nice if it gave you a hint as to why 192kHz is grayed out when it is. Potential firmware update, Zoom? 😀
@FreeToUseSounds
@FreeToUseSounds 4 года назад
@Zlatko Zlatev Hi Zlatko. If I am correct then you only change the fader (output) but not the gain if you have set it to 32 Bit.
@brianwyse5810
@brianwyse5810 4 года назад
is it better than mix-pre?
@LangstoniusRex
@LangstoniusRex 4 года назад
@@jukarnariusIt does. I use the tone generator to set the levels on output when its plugged into cameras.
@JonRivero
@JonRivero 4 года назад
@Zlatko Zlatev But only in 32 bits mode Isn`t?. I want this function on 24 bits mode with limiters. Zoom ¡It's annoying!
@fatheadvideollc
@fatheadvideollc 4 года назад
Curtis, first of all THANKS for your well done informational YT channel. I purchased the F6 for a short film I made a few weeks ago and it worked flawlessly in 32 bit for the barely audible young actor along with a scene with a lot of loud screaming, and crying. I purchased it based on your initial review of this great piece. THANK YOU and I am glad you have the reviews you do.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks and really glad to hear it’s working well. Those whisper to yelling situations can be rough, but much easier with this.
@spo5egy
@spo5egy 4 года назад
You've just sold me on it twice!
@LearnLightAndSoundSessions
@LearnLightAndSoundSessions 4 года назад
@@spo5egy 👍
@MyOtheHedgeFox
@MyOtheHedgeFox 4 года назад
Curtis, your style is incredible - from the short and succinct intro with the text-based channel intro and summary (both a rarity these days!) to the professional and practical delivery. Even if most of these devices cost far too much for me to even consider, I still await your every new notification. Sound capture, warm confidence, classy no-frills editing - there’s everything to strive for!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Wow, thanks MyO! That means a lot.
@EzzenzDK
@EzzenzDK 4 года назад
Exactly - detailed, sharp and straight to the point - no silly jokes etc. just love your style too!!
@videosuperhighway7655
@videosuperhighway7655 4 года назад
I agree. I skip those unprofessional reviewers on youtube especially when they start out with waaaaats up guuuys. Etc..
@mattgray128
@mattgray128 4 года назад
Definitely one of the best pieces of kit I’ve ever used. Not worrying about gain makes one-man-crew operations so much easier. Been using this for weeks and I love it.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
👍
@satsahota1765
@satsahota1765 4 года назад
Love your reviews Mr Judd. I’ve just ordered a mix pre 3 ii and your content helped so much researching which was best for my use. Thank you
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks Sat and I hope the MixPre works well for you!
@johnbixby8305
@johnbixby8305 4 года назад
Instantly subscribed. Curtis this is the most efficient and polished review I have ever seen on a piece of audio equipment... Flawless victory.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks John, really appreciate the feedback!
@iancraig
@iancraig 4 года назад
What a great recording device. Love that dynamic range that it offers and you were able to rescuse the overblown and ‘underblown’ recordings!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
👍 pretty neat!
@markjob6354
@markjob6354 4 года назад
Hi Curtis: I just wanted to take this opportunity and thank you for your very thorough and direct reviews and how to videos you do here on your RU-vid Channel. You are easy to listen to, easy to understand, and you have a great gifting to teach :) I learn so much from watching all your various reviews and analysis of audio and video products. These are the tools we are all using as film makers almost every day, and it's greatly appreciated. You are an important technical resource.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks so much, Mark. I really appreciate the feedback!
@markjob6354
@markjob6354 4 года назад
@@curtisjudd No, thank You Curtis. You're a walking techno-encyclopedia of Digital video and audio production.
@markjob6354
@markjob6354 4 года назад
@Curtis Judd - Have you done a review of the Atomos Sumo 19 ? I'm giving it some serious consideration for purchase.
@jwoolson
@jwoolson 4 года назад
@Curtis Judd: Thank you for all your excellent work. Your gear reviews are all fantastic - clear, in-depth, and incredibly helpful.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks Jonathan!
@PhotoMakers
@PhotoMakers 4 года назад
Hi, Great review! thank you so much!!!! I couldn't see if the F6 show the actual gain for each volume knob. Imagine that you have 2 mics for stereo recording and you need perfectly "aligned" gains for both tracks. Does it offer this control or only on the visuals?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Yes, you can link 2 or more channels together so that you can set their faders or trim with one control, thus ensuring they are at the exact same level.
@PhotoMakers
@PhotoMakers 4 года назад
@@curtisjudd perfect!! Thank you so much for the clarification!!!!
@philipbloom
@philipbloom 3 года назад
great review Curtis. I just got mine and am wading though it. Love the 32 bit float!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Congrats on the new recorder, Philip! Contact me with any questions any time!
@nobbystyles4807
@nobbystyles4807 4 года назад
my jaw nearly hit the floor on that audio recovery section. i was expecting some audible floor noise at least. i am absolutel buying one of these this week. i was going to get an h6 but heck..... this thing is a beast.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Good call - much better investment than the H6. :)
@ricardorgomez
@ricardorgomez 4 года назад
THANK YOU for doing this video! Though when you initially spoke to these folks about the recorder, we all knew it was a matter of time when you'd review it. The look on your face when the words 'no gain' was used was priceless! I was surprised how small the unit really is and it seems like they made it that way for mobility. With the least amount of compromises. Being able to power it with a fairly normal battery bank and mountable under a camera on a tripod is impressive especially considering its performance. I think in the last 7 or so years, I've bought into a couple of online courses. I can figure it out and practice on my own. But I'll definitely be purchasing one of yours when the time comes. Your practical yet thorough approach to gear is first rate!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks so much Ricardo! Happy recording!
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen Год назад
Great overview. Your channel and these detailed reviews really makes it easier to figure out what might work and what might not work. Thank you!!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd Год назад
👍
@TheGreyfoo
@TheGreyfoo 3 года назад
I just receently bought one of these (in Australia), based on your review. I love it! 32-bit, clipless audio is such a profound, incredible leap forward, and I can't thank you enough for bringing it to my attention. As a solo videographer, I'm certainly never going back! ... Of note, I found that - beyond just letting me set the perfect 'gain' in post, I was also able to apply some really extreme EQ to the 32-bit WAVs inside Adobe Premiere (a 20dB swing from -10dB to +10dB) without the usual appearance of coloring/ugliness/smearing I'd otherwise expect in a highly-processed sound. (I don't actually know if any of Adobe Premiere's EQs are specifically linear phase but doubt it). Or so it appeared to me, anyway: ... On the F6 I recorded 32-bit/48kHz, and just two days previously the H6 (24-bit/48kHz) - in the same theatre/space, same mic (NTG3). The space isn't acoustically treated for bass, so (coupled with the NTG3s low-midness), I have to apply a very strong EQ cut to lows, and boost to highs. I applied the same (massive) EQ to both recordings, and the 32-bit just SINGS. ... On top of that, Zoom knocked it out of the park with the power options. I bought an Atomos 2-pack and charger, with over 8 hours of run time on a single L-battery, which can be swapped out in mere seconds. I'm not going to miss AA batteries at all. Stupidly happy. ... Thanks again Curtis.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Thanks for you insights, Greyfoo!
@makatron
@makatron 4 года назад
Insane details, imagine in a decade when 48 bit recording is available so it can recover the file even after unplug the microphone 😅
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Hahaha!
@videosuperhighway7655
@videosuperhighway7655 4 года назад
64bit it records the future. Lol
@CyrilleBoucanogh
@CyrilleBoucanogh 2 года назад
Don't stop on 48, better 128 bits when you just stay at home watching your favourite movies while ZOOM shoots and edits and does all the video production for you 😅
@peterwiessenthaner5107
@peterwiessenthaner5107 2 года назад
I wait also of this possibility with 48 bit recording 😅
@makatron
@makatron 2 года назад
@@peterwiessenthaner5107 it'll just tap on your thoughts and provide a normalized track
@perspectivestudioscaribbea5899
@perspectivestudioscaribbea5899 4 года назад
Excellent comprehensive review Curtis, after viewing I feel as though if an F6 was in front of me I would know my way around it without any difficulty. Keep up the great work !
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks!
@matthewlee2957
@matthewlee2957 4 года назад
Curtis, thanks for taking the time and sharing your thoughts. . . . . So appreciate it
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks Matthew!
@VitinhoXXL
@VitinhoXXL 4 года назад
That "good bye" message sold me out :)
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
There’s nothing quite like a friendly piece of gear. 🤓
@BasicFilmmaker
@BasicFilmmaker 4 года назад
Ha! You got an NTG3! Sweet! Do you have or are you doing an F6 course? Maybe you mention it later. Not all the way through the video yet. So far it’s awesome!! 👍
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
NTG3, finally added to the kit. Can finally cross that off the list. :) Yes, definitely planning a Zoom F6 course!
@swetrich
@swetrich 4 года назад
Thank you for this! So damn helpful. I super appreciate all the time and effort you put into videos like this. Aside from some of the headphone monitoring differences, this fits my needs so much better than any other device as I do a lot of solo or run and gun type work with occasional short films and web series where I'm doing everything. Also for corporate or wedding events when I need to plug in and leave it, this just makes sense.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks swetrich!
@PDU_Tutorials
@PDU_Tutorials 4 года назад
Thanks CJ! That’s a great feature! Thanks for the MixPre comparison.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
👍
@riparianstudios
@riparianstudios 4 года назад
So what you're telling me is that this recorder could perfectly capture the sound of my head exploding while watching this demo, even with its sudden and percussive loudness.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Most likely, yes. 😀
@TonyBabarino
@TonyBabarino 4 года назад
Bahahahahaha!!!
@kalpeshgandhi5176
@kalpeshgandhi5176 4 года назад
Curtis Ju
@LangstoniusRex
@LangstoniusRex 4 года назад
Why am i watching this when i already have the zoom f6? (love it. just used it for a week on a web series)
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Hahaha! Glad to hear it’s working well for you!
@HeliumContent
@HeliumContent 4 года назад
You're trying to prevent buyer's remorse ;) Happens to all of us, man!
@LangstoniusRex
@LangstoniusRex 4 года назад
@@HeliumContent loooool. Maybe so. I will say, all this time later, the 32 bit float saved my arse when I stupidly tried to shoot three cameras at the same time _while_ running the sound. Screwed up the levels on some takes, didnt catch it on set. Was able to recover the tracks because i could raise the levels. moral of the story: find a crew! Oh and that 32 bit float feature is amazing :)
@HeliumContent
@HeliumContent 4 года назад
@@LangstoniusRex It's a game-changer - Sound Devices has also incorporated this into their Gen.II Mix-Pre models. It's a great time to be a filmmaker!
@jsebastianst
@jsebastianst 4 года назад
This pretty much answered all my questions about the F6, thanks for the great video!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
You’re welcome! 👍
@emilybeth8224
@emilybeth8224 3 года назад
My mind is blown within the first 2:30 minutes! The post-gain-editing has me stunned. Absolutely great review
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Thanks Emily. Happy recording!
@roryonabike5863
@roryonabike5863 4 года назад
What happens if one tries to use a wireless lav mike with the F6 set for 32 bit/dual converters?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
The wireless system or lavalier mic are almost certainly going to be the dynamic range limiting factors.
@LordCaes
@LordCaes 3 года назад
​@@curtisjudd I am considering the F6 to record a panel discussion, 2 boomed NTG 5s as backup to 4 individual lavs. Are there wireless Lavs that will be able to take advantage of the 32bit, or would the Zoom F2 or Tentacle Sync Track E be a better option? Thank you in advance :-)
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
@@LordCaes Zaxcom makes wireless systems with a feature they call Neverclip. It does not use a 32-bit float wav file, but a proprietary format called MARF. It achieves the same thing but really works best with Zaxcom mixer/recorders and are very expensive - in a totally different league to the F6. Assuming you're not looking to spend that much money, I would say the F2 or Track E would be good options.
@LordCaes
@LordCaes 3 года назад
@@curtisjudd Thanks very much!
@roryonabike5863
@roryonabike5863 4 года назад
Some people may be interested in knowing that B&H is selling the Zoom F6 and the original MixPre-6, which it has units of despite the introduction of version II, for the same price, US$650. That is $200 less than the price for a MixPre-6ii.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thank you Rory.
@ngocehgayabebas2118
@ngocehgayabebas2118 3 года назад
Amazing. You answered every single comment. Well done Curtis, you have my respect
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Thank you Ngoceh.
@dblbassted
@dblbassted Год назад
You've become my go-to for all things audio for video. Thank you!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd Год назад
👍
@remektekmedia6641
@remektekmedia6641 4 года назад
Good review up to your usual high standard.I upgraded from a Zoom F8 to the F6 and loved it. However after a week I decided to swap to the MixPre-6 Mk ii. You've made an accurate comparison between the two, so I won't repeat them, but... However, I want to note that the 3.5mm Aux mic input on the MP range is really excellent, especially with the smaller units, when the user might be vlogging in the field, as you can plug in a 3.5mm mic that needs plug-in power, without resolving to a bulky XLR adaptor, like the Rode VXLR+. This is especially handy, for "quick and dirty" stereo location sound such as I might use on a holiday, when I can plug in a Rode Stereo Video MicPro. Point in favour of the F6, compared to the MixPre-3 or 6 Mk ii, is that its iOS App can produce a Sound Report. This is only available on the much more expensive MixPre-10 Mk ii. For me personally, the draw cards for the MixPre-6 Mk ii, were gain controls in 32 bit mode, 3.5mm stereo input, 1/4" line inputs and the user interface, however I also liked the F6, so much that I might buy it again if I needed the extra inputs, or get a new F8something, when 32 bit comes to the F8 range.
@roryonabike5863
@roryonabike5863 4 года назад
Re your comment about sound reports, maybe check out Sound Devices’s free app WaveAgent if you aren’t already familiar with it. If you use Mac OS Catalina, note that Sound Devices is working on an update.
@remektekmedia6641
@remektekmedia6641 4 года назад
@@roryonabike5863 Thanks for that Rory. (what's you bike, BTW? - I am also a motorbiker). WaveAgent currently doesn't support 32 bit audio files(!!! DUH) and requires running on a Mac, so it is really a pain in the you know what for field use. In contrast the Zoom iOS App can create this in the field. Too bad about Android users, though. As SD provide Sound Report facility for the MixPre-10 using the WingMan App, I really think they should have that feature for the MixPre-3 and 6, after all it would not cost them anything and the SD products are hardly cheap so intentionally limiting this function seems to me contra productive.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
I think you capture my sentiment, too: it’s a tough choice. Both really are quite impressive.
@roryonabike5863
@roryonabike5863 4 года назад
RemekTek Media Hi. Moto Guzzi V7 II. WaveAgent also runs in Windows, but as you say it doesn’t work in iOS. I agree about the WingMan app.
@SSingh-nr8qz
@SSingh-nr8qz 4 года назад
DAMN YOU! I was so proud of my H5...Then I saw this video LOL.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Hahaha! The H5 still holds its own. Happy recording!
@madeiraislander
@madeiraislander 4 года назад
and me the H4n Pro :C bad pre-gains though!! had to buy a fethead to fix that.
@savanaviolenta
@savanaviolenta 4 года назад
You know that there is f8 right?
@wezlam
@wezlam 4 года назад
Amazing as always. Loving the new intro too.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks Wesley!
@ramonbs6075
@ramonbs6075 4 года назад
awesome and very instructional video!!! I think this is the best RU-vid channel of sound related content. Keep going!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks Ramón!
@AriRannveigarson
@AriRannveigarson 4 года назад
Excellent video, really helped me with my decision making. The new firmware that came for mixpre this week included AutoMix and Sound Reports. the F series are great and you get a lot for your money, used to own F8. (only major downside was the headphone amp) thanks for your time and effort put in this review
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks!
@JeffreyHackReacts
@JeffreyHackReacts 3 года назад
Great review Curtis! I just purchased this item from a sound production friend and am learning how the device works. I've use the Mix-Pre6 and Zoom H4N before. So I'm learning my way around the ballpark.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Happy recording!
@johnhmaw
@johnhmaw 4 года назад
Wonderful. I want one. Very comprehensive review as always. Many thanks.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks John.
@PeterPiklMusic
@PeterPiklMusic 3 года назад
Thats really a fantastic review/comparison. Literally all I could wish for to make a decision. Thank you very much! 🙏
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
You're most welcome, Peter. Best wishes!
@mrheng562
@mrheng562 4 года назад
Take my Perkins money!!! I can see this being very useful for my students when they’re working their group projects. I’m not a sound guy, but the 32-bit float will save so much time in post. That’s insane flexible!!! As always, great content! Thank you!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks Heng, and great to hear from you!
@treffensaintjohnllc2913
@treffensaintjohnllc2913 4 года назад
This device is excellent for recording conferences that have questions coming from the audience and there is not a "roaming" mic nearby. In post you can correct the volume without raising the noise floor. It will save TONS of time in post-production! Conversely if you clip the audio this device will save you big time! WOW! Just WOW!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
👍
@paultryba7228
@paultryba7228 4 года назад
Another wonderful video from you. Love your channel and wish the whole youtube world was as well done.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks Paul!
@EVOlutionHTC4g
@EVOlutionHTC4g 4 года назад
Excellent review as always, Curtis 👍
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks Johnny!
@ChannelWright
@ChannelWright 4 года назад
Another great review! Thanks Curtis!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
👍
@RonaldSuper7
@RonaldSuper7 4 года назад
Great great work.... This is as comprehensive a review you can get. I agree on your assessment and would get both if I could afford it.....
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks Ronald!
@qwiklok
@qwiklok 2 года назад
A technical tour de force. , thank you. After listening to the equally briiliant video on the Mixpre 6, the form factor, analog limiters, lighted dials and screen won out. the unit fits winderfully under a Sony A73, winner. These videos are game changers. Again thank you..
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 года назад
🙏
@NesHacker
@NesHacker 3 года назад
I really appreciate your videos! Wonderful quality and very easy to understand :)
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Thanks NesHacker.
@declicked
@declicked 2 года назад
Awesome video! Was planning on getting one soon, and this has convinced me!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 года назад
I hope it works well for you! Happy recording!
@newsbatavian
@newsbatavian 4 года назад
I like that you take into consideration the needs of the solo shooter.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
👍
@chungdha
@chungdha 3 года назад
I like MixPre lighting each knob to show which one is clipping without needing to check the screen and which number of channel. But seen setup of MixPre 6 up close the biggest issue was powering it. The L Mount adapter was too odd use in sound bag and we had issue that the metal tabs not connect well and slight movement would disconnect, we had to use large powerbank at the end to power it with being afraid with the flimsy small usb type c could break over time. Zoom F6 with L-mount for me would be a better solution as have many f970 batteries on set to power it for a long time.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Sounds like you got a defective battery sled on the MixPre. They should replace it for you. Did you contact SD support?
@chungdha
@chungdha 3 года назад
@@curtisjudd we just gave it back to the shop
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
@@chungdha Good luck with the F6, then. I hope it works well for you.
@cccid
@cccid 4 года назад
very nicely done video. apprecaite the time code and the work. keep it up!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks Clement!
@tomdchi12
@tomdchi12 4 года назад
Nice to have two solid options to chose between! In both cases, the high dynamic range recording (dual A/D converter ant 32 bit float format) creates a massive test of the quality of the preamp, and both are producing amazing results at either extreme. I've been holding off on replacing my H4N, but I'm leaning towards the MixPre 3 II, though I'll have to chew on this a bit more. Some of the features of the F6 are hard to pass up...
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Agreed. Zoom and SD aren’t making this a simple decision.
@Kit2Canada
@Kit2Canada 4 года назад
Superb and nicely balanced between pros and cons. Thank you
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks Kit!
@johnnytrayes4734
@johnnytrayes4734 4 года назад
Brilliant review thanks so much Curtis
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks Johnny!
@peterwiessenthaner5107
@peterwiessenthaner5107 2 года назад
Hallo Curtis Judd thank you for this good informations. I work with these audio recorder 2 years and i like it. Since the zoom f6 is very small, it is not easy to adjust the settings. Otherwise, I am very satisfied with the recorder.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 года назад
Glad it works well for you 👍🎙
@AudioBoi1
@AudioBoi1 4 года назад
wow, legendary review and comparison thank you
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks Andrew!
@AlBergstein
@AlBergstein 4 года назад
Once again great job Curtis. The new zoom product seems like another leap forward for them. Great to see
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks Al!
@pederjelsbak8361
@pederjelsbak8361 2 года назад
Thank you for your fantastic reviews 👍
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 года назад
Thanks Peder!
@alisaljic
@alisaljic 4 года назад
Awesome review Curtis. Thanx.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks Alis!
@user-jw4fn6fh2x
@user-jw4fn6fh2x 4 года назад
Wow, I'm impressed with that wide dynamic range adjustment capability. I would buy it just for that. Wish I had this unit years ago.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Pretty cool - a substantial step forward for audio recording.
@maxheadrom3088
@maxheadrom3088 3 года назад
This is the channel I click like before watching. Excellent!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Thanks Max.
@YourStoryStudios
@YourStoryStudios 4 года назад
We've got the MixPre 3 II connected to an EVA1 for video work, but need a permanent solution in our new podcast studio. The F6 looks good, having more inputs at a cost effective price! Thanks for doing the comparison. Very helpful!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks. I'll be curious to hear how you like the F6 relative to the MixPre.
@hitars
@hitars 4 года назад
No.2 item I bought it after your video. $550USD in Australia, what a great price. thank you Curtis.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
👍
@penmelyn
@penmelyn 2 года назад
Davinci now supports 32bit float. Great channel by the way, full of concise info and considered opinion and no flummery!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 года назад
Thanks Llywelyn.
@johnmartinez4501
@johnmartinez4501 4 года назад
Wow, I was really looking forward to this review, and you did not disappoint! Long list of questions, sorry: 1) Since the F6 has dual ADC's combined with the 32-bit recording, vs. the MixPre II with only 32-bit, what is the performance difference there? How do the dual ADC's contribute to the overall dynamic range? 2) Additionally, in your test of the "recoverability" of the audio clips, how does the F6 perform in raising the levels in post if the sound source itself was very quiet? I assume you were speaking at the same moderate volume in all the samples. Based on my understanding of 32-bit recording (which is admittedly limited), the recorder basically redivides the relative difference in amplitude for a sound wave at the given fader setting, which is what allows you to bring up the volume in post without introducing much extra noise. But what if you already had the fader set at +60 dB, and still had to bring it up a lot in post? I'm probably really misunderstanding 32-bit, but I was just wondering if you could clarify that a bit. 3) Is there a practical reason why the ability to set the gain on the MixPre II would be preferable to the unity gain on the F6, assuming you were using 32-bit recording since doing so would presumably result in no difference in ability to record clean audio? Obviously, being able to set the gain in 24-bit would be a big advantage. 4) Given the inability to set the gain on the F6, how does it perform in 24-bit mode in terms of raising the noise floor at high fader levels? Or having inadvertently set the faders too low, how much does raising it in post raise the noise floor? Again, thank you so much for this review! You've got a lot of amazing content!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Hi John: 1) The MixPre II also has multiple ADCs. They don't say exactly how many, but their patent cites 3 ADCs and the process for how they re-combine the output of each to record to 32-bit float. The difference seems to be that on the MixPre, they allowed you the freedom to set the gain, which I suspect has to do with the presumed 3 ADCs. 2) That will depends largely on the microphone, is my guess. Will require more tests. 3) Yes, microphones are generally designed/voiced with the assumption that some amount of gain will be applied post mic preamp. You might not get the optimal performance of some microphones on the F6 given this. I didn't find any obvious examples in my testing so far, so this is only theoretical. 4) In 24-bit and 16 bit modes, you can adjust the gain/trim so in those cases, it performs just like a Zoom F8n, which is to say, very well in terms of noise performance.
@zedamex
@zedamex 4 года назад
Curtis, I may just be another random commenting from the net but I must thank you for basically being relentless and carrying on reviewing audio gear like this. I last commented talking about the F8 when that first came out as I purchased it. It's great to see you still going strong. Ever since then I've always wanted something with a much better headphone amp for listening to your recordings with a less tinny sound, and mic amp with the warmer base sound of the sound devices but with the live podcast-able features and not at $5000 price point. The new F6 (less clipping when doing offline recording) and Mix Pre II has me excited about audio interfaces again. Now I just need to save some money - as for me this is a hobby so the top teir stuff just can not be justified.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks zedamex - really appreciate the feedback. The MixPre line also just added MixAssist which automatically mixes multi-host podcasts more effectively than the AutoMix on the Zoom F series. It's a great time for podcasters!
@EnforcerMan
@EnforcerMan 4 года назад
Awesome review man. This device is certainly an overkill for me but my wife just surprised me with the Zoom F6 and NTG5 mic for my birthday ... little over the top for my start up RU-vid channel ...lol I am learning a lot from you about audio. Thank you
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Great combo! Audio gear: check!
@MyJeanf
@MyJeanf 4 года назад
Excellent video Curtis . The zoom f6 was on my list but ended being a little bit out of my budget. However, in the end I purchased the Zoom F4 as it was on a special deal. I Also purchased you F4 course which helped me get up and running with way better audio this previously recorded with my tascam recorder. . Enjoyed the video. JF
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Glad the F4 is working out for you! Happy recording!
@FlashOnTwos
@FlashOnTwos 4 года назад
Thanks for the review. Now when you have time, I think we'd all appreciate a full tutorial on every single function that this thing has!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
I will be working on a course as soon as I can reserve enough time off of work. 😀
@FlashOnTwos
@FlashOnTwos 4 года назад
@@curtisjudd Awesome. Take a vacation or something! lol. Thanks!
@SatanicJamnic
@SatanicJamnic 4 года назад
LOL! I literally one minute ago was watching Frank Howard's video and was thinking "I am curious when Curtis will drop his video for this week". And here it is!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
👍 thanks for the rad thumbnail!
@Ranger7Studios
@Ranger7Studios 4 года назад
You had me at the 32 bit float. This will be my next audio purchase. :)
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
👍
@deneme56
@deneme56 3 года назад
Excellent video. Thank you Curtis.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Thanks for watching.
@sorryaboutnico
@sorryaboutnico 2 года назад
Thank you for mentioning the auto-mix feature. Definitely something for me to look into.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 года назад
👍
@cli23
@cli23 4 года назад
Great review as always!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks Casey!
@stevenluckybenson3468
@stevenluckybenson3468 4 года назад
+Curtis Judd Thank you...excellent overview and comparison. Well done as always!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks Steven!
@PhillipBridgesReviews
@PhillipBridgesReviews 4 года назад
This is great! Awesome review.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks Phillip!
@FrankETaylor
@FrankETaylor 4 года назад
I ended up buying a F6 that was a floor model for $580. I really wanted the mix pre-6 but I don't do enough sounds jobs to justify the extra $$ for it for two less inputs (even though I really prefer the combo inputs over standard XLRs). I've only recorded a handful of things with it so far but I really do love it. I don't worry as much about watching the levels and instead focus on the subjects being filmed. Thank you for helping make the decision!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
👍 glad to hear it’s working out!
@FrankETaylor
@FrankETaylor 4 года назад
@@curtisjudd Quick update, I've only had one issue so far, and that happened when I inserted an older SD card that has become frozen (you can access the files on it, but can't write anything new). The F6 said error but then armed and said it was recording. Long story short it didn't record anything, and there was nothing to recover. Had I tried to format the card I would have figured it out, but it was a bit of a rush and I've used other cards in it without formatting and had no issues. But you live and you learn (and always record a test sample on the card before using it that day). Luckily I had a scratch track running to a camera so all isn't lost, but it's not 32bit so less wiggle room in post.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
@@FrankETaylor Thanks for sharing. Definitely a good idea to format and test the card first. In fact, in the System->SD Card menu, there's a testing function to confirm the card will work well with the F6.
@FrankETaylor
@FrankETaylor 4 года назад
@@curtisjudd Yeah it's funny because I ran that after the fact just to see what it would say and it said the card was fine. But yeah, if I had tried to format it first I would have had a less stressful weekend. I talked to them on the phone and they might fix that in a firmware update, but they had never encountered anything like that so who knows.
@Kevlexicon
@Kevlexicon 3 года назад
so helpful approaching an intimidating device. thanks!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Thanks Kevlexicon!
@albertofelicettii426
@albertofelicettii426 4 года назад
32-bit float works perfectly. Thanks Curtis
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
👍
@AskJoe
@AskJoe 4 года назад
That gain feature is simply mind blowing and it opens up a ton of possibilities. It looks like you could practically start recording blindfolded, and not even look at the gain, but I'm guessing there's at least some loss in quality vs optimizing the gain first.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
The bottleneck becomes your microphone and especially wireless mics.
@JavierMercedes
@JavierMercedes 4 года назад
That 32 bit float example is blowing my mind.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
It is pretty cool for directly connected mics with a lot of dynamic range. Just remember that it doesn't apply to wireless mic systems - they'll usually clip before the audio gets to the recorder.
@maurourrai2550
@maurourrai2550 3 года назад
Curtis I love your content. I've only discovered your channel lately and for what I've seen it's awesome. . PS: the timbre of the sound devices MixPre-3 II was fabulous, are the preamps the same in the other recorders of the line?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Thanks Mauro. Yes, the entire MixPre line has the same preamps.
@DavidSchamis
@DavidSchamis 3 года назад
Excellent review- thanks!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Thanks David.
@JustVoss
@JustVoss 4 года назад
Great video, Would love if you did a review of the Zoom LiveTrak L-12.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Hi Justin, thanks. At this point I’ll probably look at the L8 which appears to be aimed more at podcasting. The L-12 appears to be aimed more at recording bands.
@JustVoss
@JustVoss 4 года назад
@@curtisjudd I didn't even know that was a thing but that looks like a better option for me also!
@jukarnarius
@jukarnarius 4 года назад
Finally!!!!!! Thank you so much!!!!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
👍
@LiziASMR
@LiziASMR 2 года назад
I wonder how is the self-noise when - 60db recovery? Thanks for the great review 🙏
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 года назад
Surprisingly good, though it depends on the microphone's self-noise characteristics.
@LiziASMR
@LiziASMR 2 года назад
@@curtisjudd thanks a lot for the quick reply! I am about to buy one ☺️🙏
@wcsdiaries
@wcsdiaries 2 года назад
@@curtisjudd Between this and the mix pre 3, which do you think is the smaller setup for weddings/run and gun filmmakers?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 года назад
@@wcsdiaries about the same volume, different shapes. Nice that the F6 can take Sony batteries on the back, probably keeping the whole thing smaller for longer shoots.
@RodrigoBustamante
@RodrigoBustamante 4 года назад
Dear Curtis, thanks for posting this video. I am seriously considering getting this gear for pro-quality recording my string quartet on the road (obviously, with Neumann mics). Sounds like a hard choice among the pre-series and even a dedicated nor portable device. Thanks again for all important information.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
You are most welcome, Rodrigo. Best wishes to you and the quartet!
@roryonabike5863
@roryonabike5863 4 года назад
You should check out the musician versions of the MixPre recorders if you haven’t already.
@giuseppepisano7398
@giuseppepisano7398 3 года назад
I think you really hit the spot when you said that in an ideal world there would be a Zoom f8n with the 32bit dual recording technology. I think I'd definitely buy an f6 if it was slightly bigger and offer an hirose power input and a proper headphone amp, as well as a real stereo out.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
👍
@ChrisAbad
@ChrisAbad 4 года назад
Thanks for the in-depth review! Thoughts on using this to record singing vocals?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
I don't usually record singing - mainly dialogue/spoken word and sound effects for film/video. But it seems like it would be good.
@Mormu624
@Mormu624 4 года назад
2:07 I am conditioned to laugh due to the over abundance off insanely bass boosted memes. Awesome review, I've been binge watching so many of your field recording related videos and I am still undecided between this or the Mix Pre 3, especially given the fact that I can get an Orca bag plus SD card bundle on the Zoom, still less than what the Mix pre 3 ii by itself costs. Very difficult. Thanks for the great insights!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
😅 It sounds like you may have some solid reasoning on a direction.
@harrij.9542
@harrij.9542 4 года назад
Hi! Would the 60db recovery work equally well to a line level source? Let's say an output from mixing desk that was too loud.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Yes
@tomzizzi2389
@tomzizzi2389 4 года назад
Very helpful and well-done. Thanks
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Thanks Tom!
@Pierluigi66
@Pierluigi66 2 года назад
having rather enjoyed your review I just treated myself to the F6... now the excruciating wait for delivery... thank you for your reviews BTW, a class of their own.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 года назад
Congratulations and happy recording!
@BrianSantero
@BrianSantero 4 года назад
Curtis, first of all, I just love your reviews! Great info, great style. Question about the limiters: I'm hoping to use this to record livestreams of classical musicians. Would recording in 32-bit for the dynamic range allow for a limiter on the line-out to a consumer camera? Would it be just a regular threshold limiter, not the look-ahead type? I obviously want the 32-bit for post-production, but would love for my livestream viewers to not get clipping in the case I'm not able to adjust the levels fast enough. I tend to perform (trombone) on these livestreams, so can't do A/V all the time. Any advice is very welcome. Thanks in advance.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Hi Brian, Yes, there is an output limiter you'll want to engage for the live stream feed. It isn't necessary for the output limiter to be the advanced hybrid look-ahead variety as the audio is already in digital format at that point in the signal chain. I would just suggest being rather conservative on your fader levels and that way you won't have to engage the limiters much. That way you'll have a good recording for post and a good livestream. Best wishes!
@ScottHiddelston
@ScottHiddelston 3 года назад
Just a fabulous review Curtis - yours are easily the best audio equipment reviews on you tube. By Far. Just one question. When you choose to record in 24-bit or lower, do the fader knobs become gain knobs?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
Hi Scott, thanks! The knobs are still fader knobs by default, even in 24-bit mode. But there is another mode you can change in the menu which allows you to use the knobs as gain knobs until you press record, at which point they become faders.
@ScottHiddelston
@ScottHiddelston 3 года назад
@@curtisjudd Thanks again Curtis. So if the knobs are still faders but 24-bit does not have the benefit of float, how do you set gain to prevent clipping?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
@@ScottHiddelston In the channel menus there is a gain setting.
@goncalom1898
@goncalom1898 3 года назад
Great review! I own an F6 and I’m going to record a conversation with 2 Rode Podmics which need a lot of gain. Can the zoom F6 pre-amps handle it without introducing noise or do I need to connect the Rode Podmics to something else? Thanks
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 года назад
The F6 can definitely handle the PodMics.
@LaRobertos
@LaRobertos 4 года назад
just about to start using it on our channel this week for in studio recording and work our way out to the field after we get to know and learn it
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Congrats! I hope it works well for you!
@LaRobertos
@LaRobertos 4 года назад
Curtis Judd your my audio hero
@KozKreoleKwenKomedi
@KozKreoleKwenKomedi 4 года назад
Nice in depth review, Can you tell me if you will recommend this recorder for a Live concert
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Yes, can definitely work for recording live concerts.
@BauTroi-Boston
@BauTroi-Boston 4 года назад
Dear Curtis; I just bought this unit (Zoom F6) after watching your review video, but I have trouble knowing how to use it right. I could not get any audio when using it with the Audio-Technica AT4053B microphone. The F6 unit is power by the 4 AA batteries. All other setting is the default.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 года назад
Hi Bầu Trời Boston, be sure to turn on the phantom power for the input to which the AT4053b is connected. Best wishes!
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