Zoom MultiStomp + Sawtooth Wave = A Whole Synth?! 

I own a Monologue and couldn't be happier with it. That said, all the Monologue contributes to this particular video is a sawtooth wave with a decay-sustain-release envelope -which many synths can give you. I would be curious to know how the same effects would sound with another synth.It may be that the warmth and quality of the Monologue's sawtooth oscillator actually makes a difference. Alternatively, a sawtooth is just a sawtooth...

@@telantas I have a CDR-70 a Monologue, a sub 37, a OP-1, a Alesis Ion, a Roland JP-08 and a Herbs and Stone - Liquid Foam. The pedal sounds great on most Saw Tooth patches, and Pad Patches. Like he said the delays in the CDR-70 are pretty great for a under $100 pedal. I wish the CDRs bit crusher, ring mod and more glitch effects were better. But it does "lush" very well.

This. Also the bass versions.

Is the G3 better than the MS-70cdr?

Definitely get to stacking those effects! I almost always run 2 delays stacked into each other - great for adding rhythmic complexity to a part, especially if you have stereo ping-pong happening!

Good news: there's plenty for you to explore!

I hope you have fun with it!!

Thank you!

It really is a bargain, enjoy it!

I'll recommend this pedal to anyone who will listen, glad to hear you're enjoying yours!

Yup, it's got a lot going for it!

Thanks for the click, I'm glad you're feeling inspired!

Thank you, and have fun playing!

A little Korg Monotron would be a great candidate I think!

i've got one of these pedals with a casiotone vl-1 and i can testify it's a great combination for some neat battery-powered synth jams on the go. never tried the plate-setting on it though, definitely will be doing that, that sounds enormous, thanks for the tip and great video n__n

Yeah, I need to jump on that!

Thank you! Welcome to the channel!

Reverb is the greatest gift you can give a synth!

The MS-70 CDR even can even arpeggiate. How cool is that ??

TODAY WE DID A LEARN

@@OscillatorSink 😂 yes Jedi Master🙌

Yup!

I thought you wrote "vocals"...the problem with stomp box reverbs compared to rack reverbs is that they are all 16 or 18 bit and the rack gear is all 24 bit today. Also the A/D and D/A converters don't sound as good on cheap gear. But if the end track or gig sounds good, then these technical matters don't really matter. I use an old 16 bit zoom rack verb because I like the tone of it of it, which has a lot to do with it's converters.

And cheaper I'd imagine!

@@OscillatorSink Yeah.. the humble cheap stylophone.. you don't know what evil screaming feedback monster really lurks inside until you play one live through a fuzzbox & tape delay, into a 50 watt valve amp and 4x12 speaker cab.. That surprised audiences back when we couldn't afford real synths... Until the Italians started making cheaper monosynths in the later 1970s...

@@garycrant4511 I have an oldJen synth, it needs a couple of new pots, I should plug it in more, I've just bought an Ampeg 30w cab, cheers

odd?, i recorded a synth volca bass creation with the zoom ms 70, basic delay and reverb only and it sounded awful. a dirty, distorted sound and it wasn't my input/recording levels. i retried with my simple donner delay and the results were much better. i'm now finding something dubious about the zoom performance, a lot of the presets are over the top and i think you have to watch out when chaining a few together. whet through most of the effects and didn't like the majority. maybe my synth rates (wobble?) were just totally out of sync with the effects rates although i turned everything down to about half on the zoom. also watched with interest your zoom vs polara shoot out - very revealing! i also had a chorus on my original zoom chain which i turned off before recording because it sounded so bad to my ear. i also have a line select at the beginning of the chain so i can turn everything off quickly. i wonder if that could be the culprit for the grating sound? thanks again.

@Reg Rock Zoia would be even better. But it’s not 5 times better(550€), that’s for sure.

Thanks! This was a fun one to do.

What makes you think they haven't already done that? If a video comes off as an advertisement, it probably is.

I can unequivocally tell you that is not the case. I bought the pedal with my own money and have had no contact with Zoom. Am I not allowed to be enthusiastic about the gear I've chosen to buy now?

@@OscillatorSink I guess I'll just have to take your word on that, eh?

@@MFKR696 no, not really, not if you don't want to. But while you're in the business of questioning my transparency and integrity, here's the full run-down: I have never been paid directly, in cash money, by any gear manufacturer for a video (and given the size of my channel, I very much doubt I ever will). To this day, the only gear I've featured on my channel that I received gratis from a manufacturer was the Arturia Minibrute 2S and DrumBrute. I detailed that fact in the first video here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_tgRjQghLVE.html and subsequently it's noted in every video description of any video that either bit of gear was featured in. My Minilogue I received from Korg as payment for a patch pack I created for them for the Monologue. You can find that patch pack here: www.korg.com/uk/news/2019/0322/ That is the sum total of all the engagements I've had with manufacturers and distributors. Also, just ask yourself the question: why would Zoom engage with a channel with 12k subs to feature a 5 year old pedal? Not everyone is out to mislead you. Not everyone is a corporate shill. You don't have to be a cynic 100 percent of the time.

@@OscillatorSink Defensive, much? I must have touched a nerve.

just download the new 3.0. firmware update. It adds 72 new effects to the ms-50.

It's DEFINITELY worth updating the firmware. I don't know if it's the same with the 50g, but on the 70 they added a bunch of the premium effects from the ms-100 for free

Definitely upgrade the firmware. It enables using the Effect Manager desktop software for swapping in and out effects. Alas, there isn't enough storage on the pedal to hold all of them at once.

Have fun! It's a good bit of kit to get creative on!

Thank you!

Which equalizer?

@@huli8557 It was a Pyle. I wanted a cheap graphic equalizer so I would get some warm distortion added when boosting all the frequencies. But any brand of EQ would probably be okay.

That firmware upgrade is killer!

@Sonic Neutronic Still using it with OT?

@@LukezyM No I sold the Octatrack and cant stand the sound of this pedal at all - lol.

"I want a synth and some effects on a budget, what do you suggest?" *motions in your direction*

Me too! I agree. It was my first monosynth and first guitar stomp box several years ago. Now I have the Moog Grandmother with the Source Audio Ventris and the TC Electronic Flashback X4 Delay and Looper. But I still won't part with the Korg or the Zoom since they sound great and work well with others....

Thank you!

Thanks for the tip! Noted.

MicroBrute,. Predictive text....grrrhhh.

I've got a mictobrute too! Haven't tried it with that yet though...

@@OscillatorSink You'd never know I'm Irish, Yours etc, Mick O'Brute

It was the reverb. I'm tired now this morning and it's all of my doing.

Yeah, that's a bummer, but if you have an app to convert bpm to milliseconds, you can use the absolute values on the delay times at least.

That setting can be turned off. Just disable Power Management in the system settings and you'll be all good!

I bought the Zoom yesterday (version 2.0) and read on the internet that there is a bug in this "new" version that results in the unit powering off by itself! You can download version 2.1 to fix the bug.

If I can get my hands on one!

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Thanks friend!

The dry signal is digitised, so there's a micro latency introduced by the a/d stage, so if you are using one of the algorithms that mix in the dry sound, it'll cause comb filtering when mixed in with the original on the send.

There's firmware hack to add a ton of effects to the ms70

Woop! Have fun!

@@OscillatorSink you are somewhat guilty of my GAS.... 😜 first the monologue and now I have a bunch of these stuff... photos.app.goo.gl/JMeo4Wcw4qKj6dTd7 👾👻😎

Seems that Halloween is now a official holiday in a small bavarian village and DHL does not work so good then... And also not Friday because, hey its only one day.... :) Yes I mean Treppendorf DHL! @Thomann's Guitars & Basses ru-vid.com/show-UCtvgPVBJ_r1vjN4mRuHCbog

Suddenly you see the matrix.

Hindsight is 20/20!

It depends on your set up. It's the way I often end up working, but that's more because don't have a mixer in my setup right now. There is a good argument for a mixer + aux sends (although, as I noted - the Zoom isn't well suited to that role).

@@OscillatorSink Thanks for the input. I use a mixing board and this is what I have done for years. This method works fine, but wanted a second opinion, other than my own. Your right the ZOOM pedal is really inexpensive, and sounds amazing! Love your channel my friend, thanks Expanding Knowledge 🌎∆🎹🎶😎

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No, I'll often reduce the output if I have multiple modules to avoid digital clipping between them. But it's dependent on the patch.

It does 😉 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HX2ytAd8pMI.html

Well, welcome to the channel!

As a guitarist as well: that community tends to be a little more snobby and precious about the integrity of "tone" (I'm incredibly prone to that when I'm in that zone myself). The Zoom ain't dethroning a Strymon under any kind of close scrutiny, but it'll definitely get the job done in a pinch and most casual listeners aren't going to get hung up on it. Sure you could spend a grand and a bit on the 3 big Strymons... Or 70 quid on the Zoom and be able to run 3 algorithms at once - and that isn't going to be 10 times worse, right?

Oscillator Sink haha! You are not wrong about how we can get hung up on “tone”. In the end it’s whatever gets the job done I guess. It’s strange I am happy to spend £500 on the right guitar pedal, but balk at paying much more than that for a synthesiser. Go figure? Anyway keep the vids coming they have helped me on my synth journey tremendously.

@@peterjessop1878 The Timeline is brilliant but I didn't really like the $450 Mobius and only allows you to use one effect too

I also think that the Mobius is the most overshadowed by other, newer and cheaper things. The Boss MD-500 and the GFI System Synaesthesia are both better bets now in my opinion.

@@OscillatorSink Dont get me wrong its better sounding then the MD500 not sure about the GFI, but I just didnt think I needed that much unit. That was 3 years ago, wish I could try on again but not spending $400 for one